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Masuma
06-17-2010, 12:51 PM
:bism:
For those miserable, thoughtless trolls and turds, who consider Islam to be a religion of Terrorists! Try to refute this then!

Here is a complete, one of the best lecture of Dr. Zakir Naik, where he explains that
Terrorism is not the monopoly of any religion!
The lecture is divided into 17 parts and some may be wondering that where are parts 1-4?

Parts 1-4 are mainly consisting of a speech of chief guest and so just to make the video short, start it from part 5, where Dr. Zakir Naik takes the mike and rocks the whole place! :D

May Allah grant us more Dr. Zakirs! Ameen! Ameen!

P.s, the introduction is included but the real better part starts from part 5!

So enjoy! :D


Introduction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfqvA7ETRuY


1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maY-k...eature=related 5/17

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMG0S...eature=related 6/17

3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmdKV...eature=related 7/17

4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-fNo...eature=related 8/17

5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0-V2NCdjb4&feature=relate 9/17

6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNYQk...eature=related 10/17

7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdteZ...eature=related 11/17

8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kV52...eature=related 12/17

9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZs05...eature=related 13/17

10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdI-g...eature=related 14/17

Now the question and answer session begins!

11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKGHU...eature=related 15/17

12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jfhG...eature=related 16/17

13. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blF9M...eature=related 17/17
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Woodrow
06-17-2010, 01:26 PM
Here in the USA there are quite a few terrorist groups. Many have been slowed down and not as active as they had been in the past. Some of the better known examples:

KKK (Still some what active, but no recent major violent acts)

Black Panthers (Haven't heard much about them lately)

NOI (Had very violent past, however have mellowed in recent years. Many if not most Americans believe they are Muslim. As they call themselves Muslim, read the Qur'an in Arabic, often speak Arabic and call their places of worship Mosques. If you ask the Average American what Islam is they will almost always think NOI)

Mafia

Mexican Mafia

Some of the private state militia groups. The Republic of Texas Militia may be the most violent

And any of numerous independent radical churches

There are at least several hundred groups in the USA called terrorist organizations

A good source to look at: http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/tergps/tgdom.htm
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Masuma
06-17-2010, 01:35 PM
^ Jazakamullahu Khair brother Woodrow!

You know, people whenever they listen to the word "fundamentalist" or "terrorist", always a muslim comes in their mind. this is the war of media with us, Muslims, in which media has been so far much successful But inshAllah, not anymore!

Here is a list of non-Muslim terrorist groups: I pray to ALLAH that may it serve as an eye-opener!

Hindu Terrorism:



Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom...igion_in_Nepal

The Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) is a designated terrorist organization on the U.S. Government's "Terrorist Exclusion List" of the Immigration and Nationality Act and under Executive Order 13224.
Maoist insurgents restricted religious freedom in parts of the country. There were reports of Maoists enforcing a "people's calendar" in schools that did not allow for religious holidays. Maoists sometimes demanded the use of religious organization facilities for their indoctrination programs, threatening to padlock the buildings if their demands were refused. There were also reports that they used Hindu temples as facilities for the Maoist-run "People's Courts."
There were scattered reports of Maoist insurgents attacking Hindu temples and harassing Hindu priests during the reporting period.
Christian organizations reported several cases where Maoists extorted cash from churches. The Maoists threatened retribution against church property and church members if the congregations did not meet their demands. Some churches complied with the demands, while others refused.
In October 2006 Maoists closed the Kashi Gaun Church in Kashi village, Gorkha.
In September 2004 Maoist threats prompted the temporary closing of 21 churches in Sankhuwasabha District.
Goa Inquisition:
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goa_Inquisition
The Goa Inquisition was established in 1560, briefly suppressed from 1774–1778, and finally abolished in 1812.[1]
The Inquisition was established to punish relapsed New ChristiansJews and Muslims who converted to Catholicism, as well as their descendants – who were now suspected of practicing their ancestral religion in secret. In Goa, the Inquisition also turned its attention to Indian converts from Hinduism or Islam who were thought to have returned to their original ways. In addition, the Inquisition prosecuted non-converts who broke prohibitions against the observance of Hindu or Muslim rites or interfered with Portuguese attempts to convert non-Christians to Catholicism.[2] While its ostensible aim was to preserve the Catholic faith, the Inquisition was used against Indian Catholics and Hindus as an instrument of social control, as well as a method of confiscating victims' property and enriching the Inquisitors.[3]
Most of the Goa Inquisition's records were destroyed after its abolition in 1812, and it is thus impossible to know the exact number of the Inquisition's victims. Based on the records that survive, H. P. Salomon and I. S. D. Sassoon state that between the Inquisition's beginning in 1561 and its temporary abolition in 1774, some 16,202 persons were brought to trial by the Inquisition. Of this number, it is known that 57 were sentenced to death and executed in person; another 64 were burned in effigy. Others were subjected to lesser punishments or penanced, but the fate of many of the Inquisition's victims is unknown.[2]


Bajrang Dal

Source :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajrang_Dal The Bajrang Dal (Hindi: बजरंग दल), a militant Hindu organization [1][2] in India, is the youth wing of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) and is based on the ideology of Hindutva.[3][4] Founded on 1 October 1984 in Uttar Pradesh, India, it has since spread throughout India.

Controversies


  • According to the Human Rights Watch, Bajrang Dal had been involved in riots against Muslims in the 2002 Gujarat violence[14].
  • In April 2006, two Bajrang Dal activists were killed in nearby Nanded in the process of bomb making. The same group of activists were also suspected for perpetrating the 2003 Parbhani mosque blasts.[15]. A report by the Secular Citizen's Forum & PUCL, Nagpur claimed to have found maps of mosques at the home of one of the deceased.[18]
  • The Bajrang Dal has been accused of not allowing Muslims to own land in parts of Gujarat by attacking traders who sell to Muslims and by attacking Muslim homes and forcing the sale of the house or flat.

The United States Department of State's annual report on international religious freedom for 2000 and World Report (2000) by the Human Rights Watch labeled this organization as a Hindu extremist group.[29][30] Paul R. Brass, Professor Emeritus of Political Science and South Asian Studies at the University of Washington, described the Bajrang Dal as Indian equivalent of Nazi Germany's Sturmabteilung
Other Hindu Extremist Parties:


Banga Sena
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banga_Sena


Shiv Sena


TTLE (Tamil Tigers Liberation Eelam)


ULFA (United Liberation Front of Asom)

Christian Terrorists:


Lord’s Resistance Army (L.R.A.)

See source http://original.antiwar.com/eland/20...an-terrorists/


IRA (Irish Republican Army)





Jewish Terrorism:
http://thewebfairy.com/nerdcities/Pa...st-british.htm


Assassination of government official outside Palestine: first used against the British in Cairo, 6 November, 1944 when Lord Moyne, Secretary of State, was assassinated by the Stern Gang. Yitzhak Shamir, a member of the Irgun and later leader of the Stern Gang was behind the plan.
Taking of hostages to put pressure on a government: first used against the British in Tel Aviv, 18 June, 1946.
Blowing up government offices with their civilian employees and visitors: first used against the British in Jerusalem, 22 July, 1946. The toll was 91 Britons, and 46 injured in King David Hotel. Begin, who masterminded and carried out the attack admitted that the massacre was coordinated with and carried out under the instruction of the Haganah.
And much more…See the source




Sikh Terrorism:
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_extremism


Amnesty International reported that, from 1983 to 1994, armed groups struggling to form an independent Sikh state were responsible for "widespread" human rights violations, killing "thousands" of civilians and taking hostages.
Human Rights Watch (HRW) reports that from the 1980s Sikh separatists were guilty of serious human rights violations through "...massacre of civilians, attacks upon Hindu minorities in the state, and indiscriminate bomb attacks in crowded places”.
In 1872, Kuka Sikhs were described as an "extremist Sikh sect"

1980s Immediately after Operation Blue Star, authorities were unprepared for how quickly extremism spread and gained support in Canada, with extremists "...threatening to kill thousand of Hindus by a number of means, including blowing up Air India flights."[51] [52]
The 1985 bombing of Air India Flight 182 off Ireland, the deadliest aircraft terror attack until the September 11, 2001 attacks, and the attempted bombing of Air India Flight 301, were alleged by the Canadian government to have been carried out by Sikh extremists. However, Inderjit Singh Reyat, of the ISYF, who was found guilty of manslaughter for making the bombs, is the only individual convicted in these attacks as of 2 May 2010.
1990s

In August 1991, Julio Ribeiro, then Indian Ambassador to Romania[57] was attacked and wounded in a Bucharest assassination attempt by gunmen[58] identified as Punjabi Sikhs
Sikh Extremist Parties



Babbar Khalsa:
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhindranwale_Tigers_Force_of_Khalistan

Babbar Khalsa has been listed as a terrorist organization in the European Union,[103] Canada,[104] India,[68] UK,[105] and the United States.[68] A Canadian Sikh, Ajaib Singh Bagri, co-founder of Babbar Khalsa, said in a 1984 speech, after Hindu Mobs had murdered thousands of Sikhs in Delhi [106] that "Until we kill 50,000 Hindus, we will not rest.”
Bhindranwala Tigers Force of Khalistan

ISYF (International Sikh Youth Federation)
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...uth_Federation




KCF (Khalistan Commando Force)
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalistan_Commando_Force




KLF (Khalistan Liberation Force)
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalistan_Liberation_Force




KZF (Khalistan Zindabad Force)
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalistan_Zindabad_Force






More on Christian and Jewish Terrorists next time...InshAllah!
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Masuma
06-17-2010, 01:39 PM
@ Brother Woodrow:

Brother, do you have names of non-Muslim terrorist groups? If you have any, can you please post them here? In this way, we might be able to collect enough material about the topic.

This is how nowadays media is maligning the name of Islam, by calling us terrorists!

So if we Muslims get united, and collect enough material of non-Muslim terrorist groups, then inshAllah, it'll be far more easier for us to refute their claim!
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glo
06-17-2010, 01:45 PM
Perhaps at this moment in time people tend to associate the term 'terrorist' with Islam. If that's the case, then only because those are the kinds of terrorist attacks which either a) are most happening or b) are most reported.

But these things can change and will change, if the political climate changes and the tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims ease.

30 or 40 years ago people here in the UK would have associated 'terrorism' with the IRA; people in Germany with the Baader-Meinhof Group. Those were the terrorists in those days.

People who strive to change society by means of terror, fear and aggression will always exist. It is up to the rest of us to resist those people!
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Masuma
06-17-2010, 01:49 PM
Like i said in my signatures, there are HINDU terrorists, there are Buddhist Terrorists, there are SIKH, and CHRISTIAN terrorists, Jew Terrorists... but no body calls them as such! very few know this! They have mainly kept the label "terrorists" for Muslims!

Media and it's double standards!!!

format_quote Originally Posted by glo
Perhaps at this moment in time people tend to associate the term 'terrorist' with Islam. If that's the case, then only because those are the kinds of terrorist attacks which either a) are most happening or b) are most reported.

But these things can change and will change, if the political climate changes and the tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims ease.

30 or 40 years ago people here in the UK would have associated 'terrorism' with the IRA; people in Germany with the Baader-Meinhof Group. Those were the terrorists in those days.

People who strive to change society by means of terror, fear and aggression will always exist. It is up to the rest of us to resist those people!
Yeah sis glo, it's just the game of media! Media and politicians, due to some hidden motives, have diverted the whole attention of people towards this so called fantasy of Muslims being terrorists!


And please do hear Dr. zakir's lecture. You people will come to know a great deal about it. So please! :( I'm doing the same. Now I'm on 2nd part (7/17) :D
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glo
06-17-2010, 01:55 PM
An33za, I certainly agree that terrorism is not a specifically Muslim issue. There are terrorists from all walks of life, races and religions.

But do you agree that there are some Muslim terrorist groups?
Then wouldn't it be better for all of us to stand up against those who inflict terror on this world and to speak out against them?
Regardless of whether they are Muslims, non-Muslims, black, white or purple?

Terrorism is wrong and inhumane! Full stop.
We should not tolerate any of it. Ever!


I understand what you are saying about Muslim terrorists being portrayed as terrorists and other terrorists not.
To be totally honest, I cannot really make a judgment on that.
But I will search the web for references to non-Islamic terrorists. Surely if they are out there, somebody must be reporting about them?
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Masuma
06-17-2010, 01:58 PM
Surah Maidah, Chapter 5, Verse 32:

"If anyone whether (Muslim or non-Muslim) kills any other human being (whether Muslim or non-Muslim(, it is as though he has killed the whole of humanity!"
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Masuma
06-17-2010, 02:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
An33za, I certainly agree that terrorism is not a specifically Muslim issue. There are terrorists from all walks of life, races and religions.

But do you agree that there are some Muslim terrorist groups?
Sister, that is what I said. There are black sheep in every community! But the real insidious, and deceiving game of the media is that it only highlights MUSLIM terrorists!

All terrorists are bad!

You know what we are trying here to prove? You must be aware of the statement, so much used by the media

"Not all Muslim are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims! "

And we are trying to prove this statement as false, wrong, biased and totally unjust!

Did you read the verse of the Quran I mentioned? it I think clears up all the matter! :)

format_quote Originally Posted by glo
But I will search the web for references to non-Islamic terrorists. Surely if they are out there, somebody must be reporting about them?
Yes, dear sis, I'll be very grateful to you for this! :) thank you so0o0o0 much in advance!:statisfie
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glo
06-17-2010, 02:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by An33za
Sister, that is what I said. There are black sheep in every community!
Yes, we both agree.

You know what we are trying here to prove? You must be aware of the statement, so much used by the media

"Not all Muslim are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims! "

And we are trying to prove this statement as false, wrong, biased and totally unjust!
I must admit that I have not come across that kind of statement.
I completely agree that such a statement would be clearly false and deceptive.

Did you read the verse of the Quran I mentioned? it I think clears up all the matter! :)
Surah Maidah, Chapter 5, Verse 32?
Yes, I like it very much. It is so true!

Yes, dear sis, I'll be very grateful to you for this! :) thank you so0o0o0 much in advance!:statisfie
I'll let you know if I find anything.
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Woodrow
06-17-2010, 02:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by An33za
@ Brother Woodrow:

Brother, do you have names of non-Muslim terrorist groups? If you have any, can you please post them here? In this way, we might be able to collect enough material about the topic.

This is how nowadays media is maligning the name of Islam, by calling us terrorists!

So if we Muslims get united, and collect enough material of non-Muslim terrorist groups, then inshAllah, it'll be far more easier for us to refute their claim!
It is a long list:

This group I got from WIKI

Animal Liberation Front
Main article: Animal Liberation Front

Animal Liberation Front (ALF) is a name used internationally by activists who engage in direct action tactics on behalf of animals. This includes removing animals from laboratories and fur farms, and sabotaging facilities involved in animal testing and other animal-based industries. According to ALF statements, any act that furthers the cause of animal liberation, where all reasonable precautions are taken not to endanger life, may be claimed as an ALF action. The group is listed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security as a domestic terrorist organization.
[edit] Army of God
Main article: Army of God (USA)

The Army of God (AOG)[4] is a loose network of individuals and groups connected by ideological affinity and the determination to use force to end abortion in the United States. Acts of anti-abortion violence increased in the mid-1990s culminating in a series of bombings by Eric Robert Rudolph, whose targets included two abortion clinics, a gay and lesbian night club, and the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. Letters sent to newspapers claim responsibility for the bombing of the abortion clinics in the name of the Army of God.
[edit] Black Liberation Army
Main article: Black Liberation Army

A splinter group made up of the more radical members of the Black Panther Party, the Black Liberation Army (BLA) sought to overthrow the US government in the name of racial separatism and Marxist ideals. The Fraternal Order of Police blames the BLA for the murders of 13 police officers. According to a Justice Department report on BLA activity, the group was suspected of involvement in over 60 incidents of violence between 1970 and 1980.
[edit] Earth Liberation Front
Main article: Earth Liberation Front

The Earth Liberation Front has been classified as the top "domestic terror" threat in the United States by the Federal Bureau of Investigation since March 2001,[5][6] and are categorized as "eco-terrorists".
[edit] Jewish Defense League
Main article: Jewish Defense League

The Jewish Defense League (JDL) was founded in 1969 by Rabbi Meir Kahane in New York City, with its declared purpose the protection of Jews from harassment and antisemitism.[7] FBI statistics show that, from 1980 to 1985, 15 terrorist attacks were attempted in the U.S. by JDL members.[8] The FBI’s Mary Doran described the JDL in 2004 Congressional testimony as "a proscribed terrorist group".[9] The National Consortium for the Study of Terror and Responses to Terrorism states that, during the JDL's first two decades of activity, it was an "active terrorist organization."[10][7] Kahane later founded the far right Israeli political party Kach. The JDL's website currently condemns all forms of terrorism.[11]
[edit] Ku Klux Klan
Main article: Ku Klux Klan

From Reconstruction at the end of the civil war to the end of the civil rights movement, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) used threats, violence, arson, and murder to further its white-supremacist, anti-Communist, anti-semitic and anti-Catholic agenda. Domestic terrorists with agendas similar to the KKK include neo-Nazis and white power skinheads.
[edit] Symbionese Liberation Army
Main article: Symbionese Liberation Army

The Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) was an American self-styled, far left "urban guerrilla warfare group" that considered itself a revolutionary vanguard army. The group committed bank robberies, two murders, and other acts of violence between 1973 and 1975. Among their most notorious acts was the kidnapping and the brainwashing of the newspaper heiress Patty Hearst.
[edit] Weathermen
Main article: Weather Underground Organization

The Weather Underground Organization was a far left organization active from 1969 to 1975. It originated in 1969 as a faction of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS)[12] composed for the most part of the national office leadership of SDS and their supporters. The group collapsed shortly after the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam in 1975.
A group I belong too has sometimes been called a Terrorist Organization AIM (American Indian Movement) it was a bit radical back in the 1970s and gained a touch of Notoriety when it took occupation of Wounded Knee and declared war on the USA.

An interesting News Report

The Department of Homeland Security is warning law enforcement officials about a rise in "rightwing extremist activity," saying the economic recession, the election of America's first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias.

A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.
SOURCE

Now to get back on track and continue the list:

National Liberation Army

Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia

Sovereign Citizen Movement (Not much known about so far does not seem to be very well organized but is seen as a threat and some terrorist attacks have been attributed to them)

The biggest groups are the city gang-bangers nobody has yet officially labeled as terrorist organizations but they meet the criteria.

Bloods
Cripps
Hell's Angels
Banditos

Many more can be added perhaps others here can think of the names of some.
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glo
06-17-2010, 02:22 PM
Are these groups which are active in their terrorist activities now, Woodrow?
Would there be articles on their terrorist attacks?
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Masuma
06-17-2010, 02:25 PM
@ Brother Woodrow:

SubhanAllah brother! May Allah grant you Jannah! :statisfie

I'll go search for them too and then will post it here!

May Allah bless you soooo much! :)
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Woodrow
06-17-2010, 02:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
Are these groups which are active in their terrorist activities now, Woodrow?
Would there be articles on their terrorist attacks?
They seem to be active although from the articles about them they may be slowed down. The KKK is the one I am most familiar with and it is still very active, but they now avoid any publicity about their crimes unless caught openly and can't get ou. In the past they often sent letters to the media bragging about their deeds. The SLA still pops up on occasion. The Jewish Defense League seems to be regrouping:
Can the US afford to ignore the JDL?
March 7, 2010 Shira Beery Leave a comment Go to comments

Kahane

On February 14 2010, Israel Hayom published an article by Efrat Porsher suggesting that the Jewish Defense League (JDL) is reorganizing to defend Israeli speakers on campuses in the US and UK and to “prevent diplomats from enemy countries or from countries that are hostile toward Israel from speaking at university venues.” Due to the violent history of this organization — such an endeavor should worry the US as it attempts to prevent domestic terrorist attacks.
SOURCE
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CosmicPathos
06-17-2010, 04:21 PM
@ aneeza: are we allowed to call kaafirs our brothers and sisters? I am talking in reference to glo when you address her by saying "sister."
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
06-17-2010, 04:31 PM
Brother and Sister in Humanity if not in Islaam!

And Allaah knows best!
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CosmicPathos
06-17-2010, 04:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by мυѕℓιмαн 4 ℓιfє
Brother and Sister in Humanity if not in Islaam!

And Allaah knows best!
Oh Okay. (12 char)
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
06-17-2010, 04:42 PM
What is 12 char?
Sorry
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Rhubarb Tart
06-17-2010, 04:48 PM
I read somewhere you can’t call Jews and Christain ( the people of the book) kaafirs. Allah (swt) knows best.
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
06-17-2010, 04:49 PM
^Ofcourse because they believe in the book of Allaah, however some dont and believe in the changed versions.
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Supreme
06-17-2010, 05:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by мυѕℓιмαн 4 ℓιfє
What is 12 char?
Sorry
12 characters- you need 12 characters (ie letters) in your post.
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Masuma
06-17-2010, 05:36 PM
This is what I found on another thread by sis τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ.

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...nd-time-3.html

I think it is related to this topic as well:

WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT TESTIFY TO GOD'S DIVINE GLORY"Listed are only events that solely occurred on command of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)
Ancient Pagans


  • As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
  • Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
  • Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
  • Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
  • Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
  • Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
    According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..."
  • In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
  • In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
  • The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
    [DO19-25]

Mission


  • Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
  • Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
  • Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
  • 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]
  • 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
    Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]

Crusades (1095-1291)


  • First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
  • Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]
  • 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
  • Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
  • after 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed. [WW32-35]
    Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
  • Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
  • Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
    (In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude")
  • The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
  • Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
  • Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
  • Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
  • Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224] Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.

Heretics


  • Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
  • Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
  • Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
    The Albigensians (cathars = Christians allegedly that have all rarely sucked) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
    Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single pre-nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Bezirs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbours and friends) 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
  • Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
  • subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]
  • After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183]
  • Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
  • Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
  • Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
  • John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
  • University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
  • Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.

Witches


  • from the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several thousand.
  • in the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged. [WV]
  • incomplete list of documented cases:
    The Burning of Witches - A Chronicle of the Burning Times

Religious Wars


  • 15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
  • 1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]
  • 1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain. [DO31]
  • 1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
  • 17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]
  • 17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]
  • 17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]

Jews


  • Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown.
  • In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
  • 17. Council of Toledo 694: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
  • The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities' Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
  • First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered 1096, maybe 12.000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]
  • Second Crusade: 1147. Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
  • Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90. [DO40]
  • Fulda/Germany 1235: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
  • 1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
  • 1290 in Bohemian (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
  • 1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
  • 1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned. [DO41]
  • 1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
  • 1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
  • 1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.
  • 1492: In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492. [MM470-476]
  • 1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain. [DO43]

(I feel sick ...) this goes on and on, century after century, right into the kilns of Auschwitz.
Native Peoples


  • Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy Crusader) the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means to propagate Christianity.
  • Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered in the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who, he said, "ought to be good servants ... [and] would easily be made Christians, because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion." [SH200]
    While Columbus described the Indians as "idolators" and "slaves, as many as [the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian nobleman, referred to the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are hungry," and made love "openly whenever they feel like it." [SH204-205]
  • On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the declarations that are required" - the requerimiento - to claim the ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If the Indians refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding), the requerimiento continued:

I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in your country and shall make war against you ... and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church ... and shall do you all mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict him." [SH66]
  • Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony: "justifieinge the undertakeres of the intended Plantation in New England ... to carry the Gospell into those parts of the world, ... and to raise a Bulworke against the kingdome of the Ante-Christ." [SH235]
  • In average two thirds of the native population were killed by colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of "the marvelous goodness and providence of God" to the Christians of course, e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as "for the natives, they are near all dead of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we possess." [SH109,238]
  • On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population (Arawak), a rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant natural resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000 dead. [SH204]
  • The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and spanish raids.
  • As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not be counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench was very great and pestiferous." [SH69]
  • The indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell." [SH70]
  • What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
    "The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ... They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive." [SH72]
    Or, on another occasion:
    "The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute beasts...Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by dogs." [SH83]
  • The "island's population of about eight million people at the time of Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half before the year 1496 was out." Eventually all the island's natives were exterminated, so the Spaniards were "forced" to import slaves from other caribbean islands, who soon suffered the same fate. Thus "the Caribbean's millions of native people [were] thereby effectively liquidated in barely a quarter of a century". [SH72-73] "In less than the normal lifetime of a single human being, an entire culture of millions of people, thousands of years resident in their homeland, had been exterminated." [SH75]
  • "And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico and Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city of Tenochtitln [Mexico city] was next." [SH75]
  • Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other spanish conquistadors likewise sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of Christ (De Soto also sacked Florida).
  • "When the 16th century ended, some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the Americas. By that time probably more than 60,000,000 natives were dead." [SH95]

Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of Amerikkka.

  • Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare among (north American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to European standards, and was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer land. In the words of some of the pilgrim fathers: "Their Warres are farre less bloudy...", so that there usually was "no great slawter of nether side". Indeed, "they might fight seven yeares and not kill seven men." What is more, the Indians usually spared women and children. [SH111]
  • In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the (generally friendly and generous) natives attractive enough to leave Jamestown - "being idell ... did runne away unto the Indyans," - to live among them (that probably solved a sex problem).
    "Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'Some he apointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheles, others to be staked and some shott to deathe'." [SH105] Of course these elegant measures were restricted for fellow englishmen: "This was the treatment for those who wished to act like Indians. For those who had no choice in the matter, because they were the native people of Virginia" methods were different: "when an Indian was accused by an Englishman of stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English response was to attack the natives in force, burning the entire community" down. [SH105]
  • On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the "Peqout War". The killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees from persecution in their own home country England.
  • When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by Narragansett Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian chief's pledge they attacked.
    Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after, because when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned their villages.
    The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote: "And indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames, where many of them perished ... God was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies": men, women, children. [SH113-114]
  • So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and to give us their land for an inheritance". [SH111].
  • Because of his readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no need for Mason to quote the words that immediately follow:
    "Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them..." (Deut 20)
  • Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the bloody sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers that "sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents". [SH114]
  • Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The colonists even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour children from their mothers breasts, in the colonists' own words: "blood Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives to seaze them." (This was inspired by spanish methods of the time)
    In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was near. [SH107-119]
  • The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in servitude. John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a share' of the captives, specifically 'a young woman or girle and a boy if you thinke good'." [SH115]
  • Other tribes were to follow the same path.
  • Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last give us cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his Beauty!"
    "Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to lick the Dust!" [TA]
  • Like today, lying was OK to Christians then. "Peace treaties were signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians 'grow secure uppon (sic) the treatie', advised the Council of State in Virginia, 'we shall have the better Advantage both to surprise them, & cutt downe theire Corne'." [SH106]
  • In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian men, women and children. [SH107]
  • In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600 Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Mather, revered pastor of the Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a 'barbeque'." [SH115]
  • To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a century later about 250 remained alive - a destruction rate of 98%. The Pocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they were down to 920 - 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had numbered about 30,000, fifty years later they were down to 1500 - 95% destroyed. The Massachusetts people had numbered at least 44,000, fifty years later barely 6000 were alive - 81% destroyed. [SH118] These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes living before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All this was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred. And the carnage was not over then.
  • All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it was before the frontier age actually had begun.
  • A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery.
  • In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today.

More Glorious events in US history


  • Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large packs of dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'." [SH241]
  • Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a former Methodist minister and still elder in the church ("I long to be wading in gore") had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and children, gunned down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag: 400-500 killed.
    From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards killed ..." [SH131]
    More gory details.
  • By the 1860s, "in Hawai'i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage that by then had reduced those islands' native population by 90 percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat equivalent to 'the amputation of diseased members of the body'." [SH244]

20th Century Church Atrocities


  • Catholic extermination camps
    Surpisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!

    In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them. [MV]
  • Catholic terror in Vietnam
    In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters - the Viet Minh - had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]

    Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.

    The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:

    • "Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."


Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of buddhist teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - mostly in street riots - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].

To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American GI's lost their life....
  • Rwanda Massacres
    In 1994 in the small african country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.

For quite some time I heard only rumours about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.
Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:
"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.

According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.
In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]
As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come to an end....
References:

[DA] K.Deschner, Abermals krhte der Hahn, Stuttgart 1962. [DO] K.Deschner, Opus Diaboli, Reinbek 1987. [EC] P.W.Edbury, Crusade and Settlement, Cardiff Univ. Press 1985. [EJ] S.Eidelberg, The Jews and the Crusaders, Madison 1977. [LI] H.C.Lea, The Inquisition of the Middle Ages, New York 1961. [MM] M.Margolis, A.Marx, A History of the Jewish People. [MV] A.Manhattan, The Vatican's Holocaust, Springfield 1986.
See also V.Dedijer, The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Buffalo NY, 1992. [NC] J.T.Noonan, Contraception: A History of its Treatment by the Catholic Theologians and Canonists, Cambridge/Mass., 1992. [S2] Newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany, 10/10/96, 12:00. [SH] D.Stannard, American Holocaust, Oxford University Press 1992. [SP] German news magazine Der Spiegel, no.49, 12/2/1996. [TA] A True Account of the Most Considerable Occurrences that have Hapned in the Warre Between the English and the Indians in New England, London 1676. [TG] F.Turner, Beyond Geography, New York 1980. [WW] H.Wollschlger: Die bewaffneten Wallfahrten gen Jerusalem, Zrich 1973.
(This is in german and what is worse, it is out of print. But it is the best I ever read about crusades and includes a full list of original medieval Christian chroniclers' writings). [WV] Estimates on the number of executed witches:

  • N.Cohn, Europe's Inner Demons: An Enquiry Inspired by the Great Witch Hunt, Frogmore 1976, 253.
  • R.H.Robbins, The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, New York 1959, 180.
  • J.B.Russell, Witchcraft in the Middle Ages, Ithaca/NY 1972, 39.
  • H.Zwetsloot, Friedrich Spee und die Hexenprozesse, Trier 1954, 56
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Masuma
06-17-2010, 05:40 PM
And please no body minds, but if this thread continued, then I'm going to reserve some space for important posts.

Request to mods:

Mods, please don't delete these two posts as I'll edit them latter on InshAllah to add some helpful posts.

This one Reserved!
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Masuma
06-17-2010, 05:41 PM
Reserved! Heheehehe! :D
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Woodrow
06-17-2010, 05:58 PM
I fail to see any need to put a label in front of the name TERRORIST.

A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. They are all made from the same mold no matter what clothes they wear or title they use. We need not push the media to recognize that terrorists call themselves by all religions, political parties or social causes. But, they are all one breed of animal. TERRORIST

We need to get the media to recognize that the title has no bearing. TERRORISTS have resigned from the human race all need to be called the beasts they are and not dignified with giving the impression they are associated with humans in any form of name.

Yes terrorists are found among all groups and the worse of them try to justify their acts by calling themselves following a religious teaching. If they follow anything they follow shaytan.
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Masuma
06-17-2010, 06:22 PM
^ Your totally right dear brother Woodrow!

And now media needs to consider the thoughtless and biased statement it promotes

"Not all Muslims are Terrorists, nut all Terrorists are Muslims!"

This infuriates me like hell! Why media is so biased?!

People of understanding and knowledge know what is the truth, but yet we'll find very few Muslim scholars trying to clear the name of Islam. :(
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glo
06-17-2010, 06:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
I fail to see any need to put a label in front of the name TERRORIST.

A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. They are all made from the same mold no matter what clothes they wear or title they use. We need not push the media to recognize that terrorists call themselves by all religions, political parties or social causes. But, they are all one breed of animal. TERRORIST

We need to get the media to recognize that the title has no bearing. TERRORISTS have resigned from the human race all need to be called the beasts they are and not dignified with giving the impression they are associated with humans in any form of name.

Yes terrorists are found among all groups and the worse of them try to justify their acts by calling themselves following a religious teaching. If they follow anything they follow shaytan.
Amen to that, Woodrow.
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glo
06-17-2010, 06:43 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by An33za
People of understanding and knowledge know what is the truth, but yet we'll find very few Muslim scholars trying to clear the name of Islam. :(
I think it is difficult to clear the name of any group, as long as there are some people from that group who continue to commit acts of terrorism ... imsad


I think the most important thing would be for the other members of the group to stand up and firmly speak out against those terrorist members.
They clearly need to send a message to the rest of the world that those terrorists are not speaking on behalf of the rest of the group or their religious teachings!
(I put it in such general terms, because I am not just speaking about Islam, but all those before-mentioned groups ...)
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Masuma
06-17-2010, 07:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
I think it is difficult to clear the name of any group, as long as there are some people from that group who continue to commit acts of terrorism ... imsad
Yes sis, in one way your right. But in Islam, if anyone kills any innocent human being, then he should no more be called as Muslim.

Do you know the word Muslim means "one who submits his will to Allah". Now we can't imagine a Muslim killing innocent beings of Allah, because it doesn't even make sense! How then that person has submitted his will to GOD?!

So terrorists should NOT be called as MUSLIM terrorists!


format_quote Originally Posted by glo
I think the most important thing would be for the other members of the group to stand up and firmly speak out against those terrorist members.
They clearly need to send a message to the rest of the world that those terrorists are not speaking on behalf of the rest of the group or their religious teachings!
(I put it in such general terms, because I am not just speaking about Islam, but all those before-mentioned groups ...)
I totally agree. And spreading the true picture of Islam, i.e. doing Dawah is compulsory for every Muslim. So every Muslim should stand up and speak emphatically against terrorising of innocent people.

Now in Dr. Zakir's lecture, one brilliant point is raised.

He says that we can't paint all terrorists and fundamentalists with the same brush!

There are good terrorists too? :D

Want to know who? :D
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glo
06-17-2010, 07:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by An33za
There are good terrorists too? :D

Want to know who? :D
Go on, tell me! You sound like you are itching to!! :D
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Masuma
06-17-2010, 07:14 PM
heheheehe! :D you got that right!

These are the people who don't carryout any anti-social activity.

Good terrorist is a police man.

Whenever any robber or thief looks at a policeman, he gets terrified. So for the robber, police man is a terrorist! :D

So in this good sense, every Muslim should be a TERRORIST! :D

Whenever any evil person looks at a Muslim, he should feel terrified!
Whenever any rapist, any thief, any robber looks at a Muslim, he SHOULD feel terrified.

Because it is the duty of every Muslim that whenever he see some evil, he should try to stop it with his own hand. And if that is not possible; then at least condemn it with his tongue. And if even this is not possible, then he should at least feel it bad in his heart! And this is the lowest degree of faith!


Islam, the true religion of Allah, is simply BEAUTIFUL! :statisfie
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CosmicPathos
06-18-2010, 04:06 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
I read somewhere you can’t call Jews and Christain ( the people of the book) kaafirs. Allah (swt) knows best.
Ya Right. Book of Allah has a brother bedding a sister in it? Book of Allah has murder allowed in it? Book of Allah has idol worship allowed in it? What are you upto?

Jews and Christians are kaafirs because truth of Islam has reached to them but they have rejected to accept Islam and to accept Muhammad pbuh as the last Prophet. THey are hiding the truth and hence doing kufr. Hence they are kaafiron.
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glo
06-18-2010, 06:39 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. They are all made from the same mold no matter what clothes they wear or title they use. We need not push the media to recognize that terrorists call themselves by all religions, political parties or social causes. But, they are all one breed of animal. TERRORIST
I know what you are saying, Woodrow.

But do we not need to know what drives and motivates each given group of terrorists? So we can engage with their issues, and try to do something about it?
After all, some terrorists may be driven by understandable problems, which could be addressed and solved by means other than terrorism.
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Masuma
06-18-2010, 10:47 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
But do we not need to know what drives and motivates each given group of terrorists? So we can engage with their issues, and try to do something about it?
After all, some terrorists may be driven by understandable problems, which could be addressed and solved by means other than terrorism.
Your right sis that some terrorists may be driven by understandable problems and one which Dr. Zakir Naik explained is injustice! The moment you do "injustice" with a particular group, make them victims of your atrocious crime and then instead blame them for everything; know that now your preparing a great fearless opposition against you! And only you are the real cause for it! And all blame should fall on you!

And there are always police forces to maintain law and peace in the country! They are the ones who counter terrorism and of course it is necessary!

format_quote Originally Posted by glo
Haha! That explanation is a little far fetched - but I get the meaning. Personally, I would go as far as saying 'every GOOD CITIZEN should be a terrorist', not just every Muslim. :) Salaam
Dear sis, you don't mind this right? If you do then please do tell me and I'll edit this post. :embarrass

Sis your right in saying that every "good citizen" should be a terrorist in a good sense but you know what? It is not every good citizen's "duty" or it's not an "obligation" on them to be a "terrorist" in a good sense. But we Muslims have this as an "obligation"! And so we try to be one such! :)

Plus do you remember the Verse I quoted of Surah Maidah; it has a special signification.
Dr. Zakir explains that every religion teaches that killing of an innocent human being is forbidden, but Islam goes one step ahead of all the other religions and says that killing of an innocent is as if one has killed the whole of humanity!

This is how beautiful Islam is! Other religions teach good things too, but it is only Islam, which masters them all! Allahu Akbar! :D

Peace!
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Masuma
06-18-2010, 10:51 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist
Ya Right. Book of Allah has a brother bedding a sister in it? Book of Allah has murder allowed in it? Book of Allah has idol worship allowed in it? What are you upto?

Jews and Christians are kaafirs because truth of Islam has reached to them but they have rejected to accept Islam and to accept Muhammad pbuh as the last Prophet. THey are hiding the truth and hence doing kufr. Hence they are kaafiron.
Okay, so this person does have a point here! But I don't know what is right...

And please just stop derailing the thread!!!:raging:
How many times do I have to repeat myself?!!! You can discuss it somewhere else as your going so off the topic! :raging:



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Al Qabayli
06-20-2010, 12:15 AM
as-salamu `alaykum !

Bump !
Very interesting thread, thank you very much !!
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Masuma
06-20-2010, 11:17 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Al Qabayli
as-salamu `alaykum !

Bump !
Very interesting thread, thank you very much !!
No problem dear brother! :D

Thanku :embarrass

(I mean thanku on behalf of everyone here...! right?!)
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