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Al-Indunisiy
06-18-2010, 12:05 AM
Update: Wikileaks ‘confirms’ it has video of US massacre in Afghanistan

By Raw Story
Wednesday, June 16th, 2010 -- 9:42 am

The whistleblower website that posted video of a US Army helicopter firing on unarmed civilians and killing two Reuters employees is ready to do it again, its founder says.
Wikileaks' founder Julian Assange says he has obtained video of a US "massacre" that took place in Afghanistan in 2009.

The British newspaper The Telegraph claimed that the site had a copy of video from the attack in April.

"The clip will show previously classified footage from US warplanes that had been tapped to bomb Taliban positions in Farah province, Afghanistan last year," the paper said. "The Afghan government said at the time that the strikes by F-18 and B1 planes near Garani killed 147 civilians. An independent Afghan inquiry later put the toll at 86."


While denying again that WikiLeaks has the State Department cables, Assange acknowledges in the email today that he is in custody of the May 2009 video that shows the airstrike on the Afghan village of Garani, believed to be the most lethal combat strike in Afghanistan—in terms of civilian deaths—since the United States invaded the country in 2001. Assange writes that “we are still working on” preparations for release of the video of “the Garani massacre.”

The State Department and Pentagon did not immediately comment on Assange’s email message.

American officials have acknowledged in the past that they are concerned about the release of the Garani video, fearing that it could undermine public support for the American military campaign in Afghanistan both in that country and in the United States. Pentagon officials were outraged by WikiLeaks’ release of the Baghdad video this spring.
Shenon asserted last week that the Pentagon is "desperately" searching for the founder of the whistleblower website Wikileaks, out of concern he is about to publish classified US State Department cables.

Curiously, the piece cites an American diplomat as saying their chief concern is the leak of communications "prepared by diplomats and State Department officials throughout the Middle East, regarding the workings of Arab governments and their leaders."

The concern over US communications about Arab governments seems slightly surprising in lieu of the fact the cables also "contained information related to American diplomatic and intelligence efforts in the war zones in Afghanistan and Iraq," which would, in theory, be of greater concern to Pentagon bosses running US war efforts.

Authorities are said to be seeking Wikilieaks founder Julian Assange, who allegedly came into possession of secret US cables after they were leaked by a 22-year-old Army intelligence officer. The Army specialist, Bradley Manning, was recently arrested and is being held in Kuwait.


http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0616/wik...e-afghanistan/
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FS123
06-18-2010, 08:21 AM
So sad. :cry:
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Ramadhan
06-18-2010, 09:41 AM
Can't wait to read the condemnation and disgusts by hordes of on board non-muslims who have been very critical of the talibans.
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Masuma
06-18-2010, 10:09 AM
Asalamu Alikum Wr Wb!

See! That is why I always say to my friends that Allah has His own plans. Pentagon can try as much as it want but if Allah wants the footage to be shown to masses and thus exposing truth, then it'll for sure happen!

Allah even takes work from non-Muslims. This person Julian Assange, is a non-Muslim, but just look how he is risking his life for the purpose.

Now I don't know what his actual motive would be ; e.g. fame, or enmity to the govt, but whatever it is, it is benefiting the Muslims!


The previous Iraq footage was hell of an eye opener! :cry: The US beasts opened fire on innocent civilians!
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S<Chowdhury
06-18-2010, 11:04 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by An33za
Asalamu Alikum Wr Wb!

See! That is why I always say to my friends that Allah has His own plans. Pentagon can try as much as it want but if Allah wants the footage to be shown to masses and thus exposing truth, then it'll for sure happen!

Allah even takes work from non-Muslims. This person Julian Assange, is a non-Muslim, but just look how he is risking his life for the purpose.

Now I don't know what his actual motive would be ; e.g. fame, or enmity to the govt, but whatever it is, it is benefiting the Muslims!


The previous Iraq footage was hell of an eye opener! :cry: The US beasts opened fire on innocent civilians!
Hmmm coming from Wikileaks i'd question its validity too many times there footages/documents have been edited before to incite progressive outrage, i remember the last one was similar to this in Iraq had a bit of clever editing, but if holds true then well here is another blow to the US army reputation hopefully people will see what they truly are
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Masuma
06-18-2010, 11:09 AM
^ yeah good point raised brother! But I don't know what should be done about it. Your right that editing etc is done but very less can be done about it...

This now further highlights the importance of an unbiased and reliable media; a media whom both sides can trust!
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aadil77
06-18-2010, 04:06 PM
the US is more worried about the video leak and damage to public support than the fact that 150 civilians were wiped out by their barbaric terrorist army
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LauraS
06-18-2010, 08:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
Can't wait to read the condemnation and disgusts by hordes of on board non-muslims who have been very critical of the talibans.
I've been critical of the taliban but I've never defended the Americans, in fact I've ranted about them a couple of times. If it did happen of course it's disgusting. Wikileaks is a questionable source.

I don't see why because someone doesn't like the taliban they must immediately be a big supporter of America.
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Masuma
06-18-2010, 09:05 PM
^ Yeah your somewhat right but why it happens that most of the time, people who are critical of Taliban usually defend US action?

About the "wiki leaks", why is it not a reliable source?
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Nirvana
06-19-2010, 03:24 AM
Blood is cheap. Muslim blood is cheapest of all. :(
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Zafran
06-19-2010, 04:07 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by LauraS
I've been critical of the taliban but I've never defended the Americans, in fact I've ranted about them a couple of times. If it did happen of course it's disgusting. Wikileaks is a questionable source.

I don't see why because someone doesn't like the taliban they must immediately be a big supporter of America.
Its funny you use the same method that the taliban supporters on this forum use - "If it did happen" and "questionable source".
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LauraS
06-19-2010, 05:56 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by LauraS
I've been critical of the taliban but I've never defended the Americans, in fact I've ranted about them a couple of times. If it did happen of course it's disgusting. Wikileaks is a questionable source.

I don't see why because someone doesn't like the taliban they must immediately be a big supporter of America.
True, but the difference is I feel America could be capable of such things and don't blindly defend them and anything to do with wiki is a questionable source, because anybody can put anything like the fake death reports of different celebrities.
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aadil77
06-20-2010, 11:14 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by LauraS
True, but the difference is I feel America could be capable of such things and don't blindly defend them and anything to do with wiki is a questionable source, because anybody can put anything like the fake death reports of different celebrities.
Yh but decoded classified military video footage is not something any laymen can make up or get a hold of
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S<Chowdhury
06-20-2010, 11:45 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
Yh but decoded classified military video footage is not something any laymen can make up or get a hold of
True but after initially getting hold of the video and converting it, the editing that video is something anyone can do with technology as it is , if you remember the Iraq Footage i can't remember exactly but the video was edited and scenes cut out from the video
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جوري
10-23-2010, 11:16 PM
are we surprised? Where is that turd 'thinker' to comment, or does this qualify under 'love thy neighbor'
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جوري
10-23-2010, 11:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by LauraS
like the fake death reports of different celebrities.

you mean like the fake tapes of bin laden? gotcha!

http://www.google.com/#q=fake+bin+la...5d8bc0c31314ec
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سيف الله
10-23-2010, 11:18 PM
Salaam

A new leak regarding the Iraq war has just been released today. (Post it here to save some forum space)

At 5pm EST Friday 22nd October 2010 WikiLeaks released the largest classified military leak in history. The 391,832 reports ('The Iraq War Logs'), document the war and occupation in Iraq, from 1st January 2004 to 31st December 2009 (except for the months of May 2004 and March 2009) as told by soldiers in the United States Army. Each is a 'SIGACT' or Significant Action in the war. They detail events as seen and heard by the US military troops on the ground in Iraq and are the first real glimpse into the secret history of the war that the United States government has been privy to throughout.

The reports detail 109,032 deaths in Iraq, comprised of 66,081 'civilians'; 23,984 'enemy' (those labeled as insurgents); 15,196 'host nation' (Iraqi government forces) and 3,771 'friendly' (coalition forces). The majority of the deaths (66,000, over 60%) of these are civilian deaths.That is 31 civilians dying every day during the six year period. For comparison, the 'Afghan War Diaries', previously released by WikiLeaks, covering the same period, detail the deaths of some 20,000 people. Iraq during the same period, was five times as lethal with equivallent population size.
http://wikileaks.org/

War logs here

http://warlogs.owni.fr/

Heres a 10 minute analysis about the latest leak

Pentagon Whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg on Upcoming Iraq War Wikileaks Docs (Part 1 of 2)

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Cabdullahi
10-23-2010, 11:21 PM
I've seen it on Aljazeera english....the worst thing is Iraqi on Iraqi abuse......why inflict pain on your brother when your country is occupied.....
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Ramadhan
10-24-2010, 02:07 AM
Leak aimed to bring out truth of Iraq war: Assange

Press Trust of India, Updated: October 23, 2010 17:15 IST

London: Thousands of classified Iraq war documents made public by WikiLeaks are aimed at bringing out the truth, that had been the first casualty of war, the website's founder Julian Assange said today, adding that he wanted the leak to have the maximum possible impact.

"This first casualty of war is the truth," Julian Assange told a news conference here, hours after the whistleblower released a fresh cache of classified military documents.

In what is the largest classified military leak in US' history, the website has released nearly 400,000 secret American documents on the Iraq war detailing graphic accounts of torture and the killing of over 66,000 civilians.

The website said it would now release another set of documents on the war in Afghanistan.


"We hope to correct some of that attack on the truth that occurred before the war, during the war, and which has continued on since the war officially concluded," Assange said.

He said the military logs documented 109,000 violent deaths in Iraq between 2004 and 2009, including 66,000 civilians. Of this, 15,000 deaths were previously undocumented.

"That tremendous scale should not make us blind to the small human scale in this material. It is the deaths of one and two people per event that killed the overwhelming number of people in Iraq," he was quoted as saying by local media.

WikiLeaks' spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson said the website would also soon release another batch of 15,000 secret files on the Afghan war.

Assange had earlier said that the fresh batch of reports shows "compelling evidence of war crimes" committed by forces of the US-led coalition and the Iraqi government.

Some documents show that the US troops did nothing to stop the abuse by Iraqi forces.

The Iraqi government, meanwhile, said the documents "did not contain any surprises".

Earlier this year, WikiLeaks had released 92,000 Afghan war-related documents.




Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/le...sange-61856?cp
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Ramadhan
10-24-2010, 02:15 AM
And the documents leaked by wikileaks is most likely just FRACTIONS of what really went on in Iraq in Afghanistan, as they are documented. I am certain that the undocumented "events" number to multiple times more.

It is interesting to note that our residents atheists, agnostics, christians and other assorted non-muslims who are normally very vocal at the first hint of "a plan for shoe-bombing (lol!) a plane is foiled!" have been resoundingly quiet (how deafening is the sound of their silence!) and have now gone back on hiding to their little caves under a rock.


a Hypocrite is always a hypocrite no matter how hard they are trying to hide their ignorance and hate under a disguise of "intelligence and peace and love thy neighbor" (lol!)
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Lynx
10-25-2010, 12:58 AM
America's war image can't sink any lower. Even if some of that is exaggerated or fabricated there just really isn't any way out of this.

Hate to sound cliche but War is hell.
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Ramadhan
10-25-2010, 07:01 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx
America's war image can't sink any lower. Even if some of that is exaggerated or fabricated there just really isn't any way out of this.

I think the american government will find a way to spin this.
Remember, it is still the same government (despite different president etc) that created such blatant lies to invade Iraq, and the public believed in them.
As long as they've got the media on their side, which they still do (eg. with the combination of NY Times and Fox), they'll brush it off under the rug.
It was a democratic country with the most advanced society that allowed such horrible things to happen, and the same democratic country with same most advanced society are still letting horrible things happening caused by their own countrymen.
(Obama has not pulled out all military from iraq and Afghanistan, has he?)
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titus
10-25-2010, 07:07 AM
I think the american government will find a way to spin this.
Possibly, but maybe at least some form of justice can come out of these leaks for any Americans that personally were a part of the abuse or that allowed others to be abused by the Iraqis.
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Trumble
10-25-2010, 08:30 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abdullahii
I've seen it on Aljazeera english....the worst thing is Iraqi on Iraqi abuse......why inflict pain on your brother when your country is occupied.....
Because the 'brothers' hated each other far more than the Americans both before and after the 'occupation'. The only difference is that some of those who had previously been the victims (of the Saddam regime) took their chance for revenge by becoming the perpetrators.
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purple
10-25-2010, 09:42 AM
Nothing new. Just confirming what we all knew. The war in Iraq and Afgahanistan is vile. And no i dont support the taliban either.
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purple
10-25-2010, 09:44 AM
They should just pull out completely.
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جوري
10-25-2010, 10:18 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
Because the 'brothers' hated each other far more than the Americans both before and after the 'occupation'.

That is an Iraqi problem to settle isn't it? whether the 'brothers' as you put it hated each other or not, it isn't really an American or a British problem.. and it certainly isn't a carte Blanche for foreign invaders to come and cause more if not far worse carnage!

all the best
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Trumble
10-25-2010, 02:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ


That is an Iraqi problem to settle isn't it? whether the 'brothers' as you put it hated each other or not, it isn't really an American or a British problem.. and it certainly isn't a carte Blanche for foreign invaders to come and cause more if not far worse carnage!
I took no position on whose 'problem' it was, I was merely answering Abdullahii's question. It should be mentioned though that while Saddam was in power popular methods for solving this little internal problem included such things as feeding people alive into meat-mincers and killing thousands of citizens with chemical weapons. Without using that fact as justification for any foreign involvement, it should inform Abdullahii as to why a conception of happy Iraqi 'brothers' fighting the evil occupiers isn't exactly an accurate version of the history.
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Lynx
10-25-2010, 06:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
I think the american government will find a way to spin this.
Remember, it is still the same government (despite different president etc) that created such blatant lies to invade Iraq, and the public believed in them.
As long as they've got the media on their side, which they still do (eg. with the combination of NY Times and Fox), they'll brush it off under the rug.
It was a democratic country with the most advanced society that allowed such horrible things to happen, and the same democratic country with same most advanced society are still letting horrible things happening caused by their own countrymen.
(Obama has not pulled out all military from iraq and Afghanistan, has he?)
I don't see the media trying to make the war effort look good anymore though I don't watch the news very often. The consensus from what I've seen is that the war was bad, it cost the Republicans the election etc. So I doubt there's going to be a huge effort to spin this if any at all. Let's not forget the source is not the most credible one so not everything that might come out is going to necessarily be true.
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Argamemnon
10-27-2010, 10:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by LauraS
I don't see why because someone doesn't like the taliban they must immediately be a big supporter of America.
Because you usually hate whom your government and media tells you to hate. Western media is dominant throughout the world that independent voices are never heard.

format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
I took no position on whose 'problem' it was, I was merely answering Abdullahii's question. It should be mentioned though that while Saddam was in power popular methods for solving this little internal problem included such things as feeding people alive into meat-mincers and killing thousands of citizens with chemical weapons. Without using that fact as justification for any foreign involvement, it should inform Abdullahii as to why a conception of happy Iraqi 'brothers' fighting the evil occupiers isn't exactly an accurate version of the history.
Who supplied Saddam with those chemical weapons?

"Indeed, the U.S. had no problem backing the rule of Saddam Hussein until 1990. As one former Reagan administration official put it, "Hussein is a *******. But at the time he was our *******." The U.S. even helped turn the eight-year Iran-Iraq War in Iraq's favor-knowing that Iraq was using chemical weapons against Iran, yet supplying a wide range of arms to Iraq while preventing arms from reaching Iran. Nor was the U.S. deterred when, in March 1980, Saddam Hussein launched mustard- and nerve-gas attacks against Kurds in Halabja. As Geoff Simons wrote,

In the months following the Halabja massacre the U.S. government issued licenses for the delivery of biological products to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Agency. for the delivery of electronics equipment and machine tools to an Iraqi missile design center, a bomb plant, a missile factory, defense electronics factories and a weapons manufacturing complex. In July Bechtel secured a $1 billion deal m provide Iraq with a petrochemicals complex that the Iraqis intended to use in the production of mustard gas weapons, fuel-air explosives and rocket propellants.

The Reagan administration also opposed the introduction of sanctions against Iraq after the scale of the Halabja atrocity became public. After the Halabja massacres, the U.S. granted licenses for dual-use technology exports at a rate 50 percent greater than before, including missile technology and chemical-biological agents. Between 1985 and 1989, the U.S. approved 17 licenses for exports of bacterial and fungal cultures to Iraq (anthrax among them)."

More: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ir...ting_Iraq.html
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Argamemnon
10-27-2010, 10:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
Because the 'brothers' hated each other far more than the Americans both before and after the 'occupation'. The only difference is that some of those who had previously been the victims (of the Saddam regime) took their chance for revenge by becoming the perpetrators.
Yes, Iraqis are evil hence the US had the right to flatten the entire country....
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Argamemnon
10-27-2010, 10:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ


That is an Iraqi problem to settle isn't it? whether the 'brothers' as you put it hated each other or not, it isn't really an American or a British problem.. and it certainly isn't a carte Blanche for foreign invaders to come and cause more if not far worse carnage!

all the best
I wonder why non-Muslims - WESTERNERS in particular - are always bringing up INTERNAL ISSUES in Muslim countries. It almost seems as though intervention in other countries and meddling in other countries affairs is ingrained in their genes !

:w:
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جوري
10-27-2010, 11:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
I wonder why non-Muslims - WESTERNERS in particular - are always bringing up INTERNAL ISSUES in Muslim countries. It almost seems as though intervention in other countries and meddling in other countries affairs is ingrained in their genes !

wherever there is something to be gained from the exploitation of others you can bet a deal of them will be there.. animals like to prey, and there is no moral compass to keep them from doing so..

:w:
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Trumble
10-28-2010, 06:48 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Yes, Iraqis are evil hence the US had the right to flatten the entire country....
Please read my subsequent reply to Lily, exercising your comprehension skills to the fullest. As to being 'evil' (which I neither said nor implied, with the exception of one individual in particular, now deceased), considering what the Saddam regime had done to some of them I can understand, if not condone. What would you be sorely tempted to do to the guy who tortured your brother to death if you got the chance?

I wonder why non-Muslims - WESTERNERS in particular - are always bringing up INTERNAL ISSUES in Muslim countries.
Please re-read if still necessary. Let me save you the trouble of clicking a mouse button with some highlighting to assist you further.

I took no position on whose 'problem' it was, I was merely answering Abdullahii's question. It should be mentioned though that while Saddam was in power popular methods for solving this little internal problem included such things as feeding people alive into meat-mincers and killing thousands of citizens with chemical weapons. Without using that fact as justification for any foreign involvement, it should inform Abdullahii as to why a conception of happy Iraqi 'brothers' fighting the evil occupiers isn't exactly an accurate version of the history.
Abdullahii wished to know why the Iraqis were so keen to inflict unpleasantness on each other rather than all teaming up to fight the US and allied 'occupiers'. I told him. If either of you dispute what I have said, please explain why. You are of course quite free to speculate, however selectively, about how that situation arose and to blame who you like for supplying whatever and supporting whoever, but the fact remains it did arise.
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