Jewish problem

[h-n]

This is a follow up from the “Islam has coped” (says the Christians and the Jews)


Holocaust


1. I would say that care about the fact that they tried to kill Prophet Jesus peace be upon him first, as that is worse then the holocaust.


Hell


2. They reject Hell, I said to them, which they have received no reply;-

-What do you think happened to the sinners that got destroyed at the time of the flood, at the time of Prophet Noah peace be upon him? That Allah took them to Paradise for a picnic?

-What happened to the homosexuals that got killed at the time of Prophet Lut peace be upon him? That Allah destroyed them so he can raise them in high stations in Paradise??


Cursed


The Jews have been cursed by Prophets David, Jesus peace be upon him. What more is there to say?


Qur'an 5:78 "Those among the Children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of David and Jesus son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed (Allah and the Messengers) and were ever transgressing beyond bounds."


War


If it was only the Jews and the Muslims in this world, then we would not have gone through the war on terror for them, but as they were putting others forward to fight for them, ie the Christians the war was allowed to go ahead to help people learn about Islam.
We would not do this for the Jews, after all that they have received and rejected by Allah. As they have been cursed, frankly they don’t deserve it.


Testing Prophets


They said they test Prophets (which is an awful thing to say, which they wouldn’t be able to test them), but they simply came with the truth, message to worship Allah, remember the Day of Judgement and Paradise and Hell, so why feel to question them, they are happy to follow after other Jews who don’t even talk about the next world.

-they would not accept Prophets Jesus, Muhammad peace be upon them as Prophets, but they were willing to accept females as Prophetesses (when no female is a Prophet).

-they already knew and came to Mecca to meet the Prophet, and they knew that he was a Prophet of Allah and still they rejected him for the life of this world.

So;-
-how did they test Prophet Moses peace be upon him??
-how did they test King David, Solomon peace be upon them?
-how did they test Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon them??
-by the way some are now rejecting that Noah, Lut were Prophets of Allah.
-how did they test Sarah to be a Prophetess (which there is no such thing, and she did not pass the message from Allah to mankind, its an awful thing to say)???

Dancing


There was coverage that Israeli soldiers were dancing whilst the Muslim call for prayer was happening.

I would simply say to them, is this what your ancestors were doing and what you would be doing, when they were worshipping the cow idol, whilst the Prophet Moses peace be upon him was away? :bump1:

Treating Prophets as politicians

It is a fact that they treated the Prophets to help them live in this world. Well they are not here to help your standard of living, ie food, clothes etc. They are here to pass the message from Allah, hence why they are known as messengers. It is a fact that they;-

-irritated Prophet Moses peace be upon him,
-tried to oust King David peace be upon him (to oust a Prophet, what stupidity)
-frankly they irritated them all
-that is why they went against Prophet Jesus peace be upon him as they did not see him serving their interests.
-that is they they also went against Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, when they knew full well that he was a Prophet of Allah.
-they even left out the fact that Prophet Moses peace be upon him was telling Pharoah etc to repent and worship Allah and remember the Day of Judgment, now they are making it look like he just came to take the Jews out.

Verses from the Quran;-

Qur'an 4:46 "Among those who are Jews, there are some who displace words from (their) right places and say: 'We hear your word and disobey.' ... But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not except a few."

Qur'an 4:51 "Have you not seen those who were given a portion of the Scripture [the Bible]? They believe in false gods and idols and say to the disbelievers that they are better guided as regards the way than the believers (Muslims)."

Qur'an 4:52 "They [Jews and Christians] are those whom Allah has cursed, and he whom Allah curses, you will not find for him any helper."

Qur'an 4:55 "Of them [Jews and Christians] were some who believed in him (Muhammad - peace be upon him) and of them were some who averted their faces from him; and enough is Hell for burning them."

Qur'an 4:115 "And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination."

Qur'an 4:155 "Because of their breaking the covenant, and their rejecting the revelations of Allah, and of their killing the Prophets unjustly, and of their saying: 'Our hearts are wrapped' - nay, Allah has set a seal upon their hearts because of their disbelief, so they believe not but a little.

Qur'an 4:156 "And because of their disbelief and uttering against Mary a grave false charge;

Qur'an 4:157 "And because of their saying, 'We killed Messiah Jesus son of Mary, the messenger of Allah', - but they killed him not, nor crucified him but the resemblance of Jesus was put over another man, and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not."

Qur'an 4:160 "For the wrong-doing of the Jews, We made unlawful to them certain good foods which has [sic] been lawful to them, and for their hindering many from Allah's Way;

Qur'an 4:161 "And their taking of usury though they were forbidden from taking it and their devouring of men's substance wrongfully (bribery, etc.). And We have prepared for the disbelievers among them a painful torment."

Qur'an 5:13 "So because of their [the Jews'] breach of their covenant, We cursed them and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them and you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them."

Qur'an 5:18 "And both the Jews and the Christians say: 'We are the children of Allah and His loved ones.' Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins?' Nay, you are but human beings of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills."

Qur'an 5:60 "Say (O Muhammad) to the people of the Scripture: 'Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those Jews who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom some He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped false deities; such are worse in rank and far more astray from the Right Path.'"

Qur'an 5:62 "And you see many of them [Jews] hurrying for sin and transgression, and eating illegal things [as bribes, usury, etc.]. Evil indeed is that which they have been doing.


Qur'an 5:63 "Why do not the rabbis and the religious learned men forbid them from uttering sinful words and from eating illegal things. Evil indeed is that which they have been performing."


Qur'an 5:64 "The Jews say: 'Allah's Hand is tied up.' Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for what they uttered. Nay, both His Hands are widely outstretched. He spends of His Bounty as He wills. Verily, the Revelation that has come to you from Allah increases in most of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. We have put enmity and hatred amongst them till the Day of Resurrection. Every time they kindled the fire of war Allah extinguished it; and they ever strive to make mischief on earth. And Allah does not like the mischief-makers."

Qur'an 7:160 "And We divided them into twelve tribes as distinct nations. We directed Moses by inspiration, saying: 'Strike the stone with your stick,' and there gushed forth out of it twelve springs: each group knew its own place for water. We shaded them with the clouds and sent down upon them manna and quails, saying: 'Eat of the good things with which We have provided you.' They harmed Us not but they used to harm themselves."


Qur'an 7:161 "And remember when it was said to them: 'Dwell in this town [Jerusalem] and eat
therefrom wherever (sic) you wish, and say, 'Forgive our sins'; and enter the gate prostrate. We shall forgive you your wrongdoings. We shall increase the reward for the good-doers.'


Qur'an 7:162 "But those among them who did wrong changed the word that had been told to them. So We sent on them a torment from heaven in return for their wrong-doings."

Qur'an 7:163 "And ask them about the town that was by the sea, when they transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: 'When their fish came to them openly on the Sabbath day, and did not come to them on the day they had no Sabbath. Thus We made a trial of them for they used to rebel.'"

Qur'an 7:166 "So when they [the Jews] exceeded the limits of what they were prohibited, We said to them: 'Be you monkeys despised and rejected.'"

Qur'an 45:7 "Woe to every sinful liar, -

Qur'an 45:8 "Who hears the verses of Allah recited to him yet persists with pride as if he heard them not. So announce to him a painful torment!

Qur'an 45-9 "And when he learns something of Our Verses, he makes them a jest. For such there will be a humiliating torment.

Qur'an 5:59 "Say: 'O people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians]! Do you criticize us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and in the revelation which has been sent down to us and in that which has been sent down before us, and that most of you are rebellious and disobedient to Allah?'"

Qur'an 5:41 "O Messenger! Let not those who hurry to fall into disbelief grieve you, of such who say: 'We believe' with their mouths but their hearts have no faith. And of the Jews are men who listen much and eagerly to lies - listen to others who have not come to you. They change the words from their places; they say, 'If you are given this, take it, but if you are not given this, then beware!' ... Those are the ones whose hearts Allah does not want to purify; for them there is a disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a great torment."

Qur'an 4:89 "They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected, and thus that you all become equal. So take not friends from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah. But if they turn back (from Islam) take hold of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither friends nor helpers from them."

Qur'an 3:181 "Indeed, Allah has heard the statement of those [Jews] who say: 'Truly, Allah is poor and we are rich!' We shall record what they have said and their killing of the Prophets unjustly, and we shall say: 'Taste you the torment of the burning Fire'".

Qur'an 3:78 "And verily, among them [Jews and Christians] is a party who distort the Book with their tongues, so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say: 'This is from Allah,' but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it."

Qur'an 3:70 "O people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians]: Why do you disbelieve in the revelations of Allah while you yourselves bear witness to their truth?"

Qur'an 3:71 "O people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians]: Why do you mix truth with false thoughts and conceal the truth while you know?"

Qur'an 2:94 "Say to them [the Jews]: 'If the Home of the hereafter with Allah is indeed for you especially and not for others, of mankind, then long for death if you are truthful.'

Qur'an 2:95 "But they will never long for it because of what their hands have done. And Allah is All-Aware of the wrongdoers.

Qur'an 2:80 "And they [Jews] say, 'Hell-fire shall not touch us but for a few hundred days.' Say (O Muhammad): Have you taken a covenant from Allah, so that Allah will not break his covenant? Or is it that you say of Allah what you know not?"

Qur'an 2:96 "And verily, you will find them [the Jews] the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who ascribe partners to Allah. Everyone of them wishes that he could be given a life of a thousand years but the grant of such life will not save him even a little from (due) punishment. And Allah is All-Seer of what they do."

Lastly we only fight those that fight us and see “Murder” thread. This thread isn’t about getting up and attacking Jews, its about not falling for their lies, which Allah has already spoken about that they lie see above verses from the Quran. Fear Allah, as there maybe some good Jewish people who do worship Allah, remember the Last Day and in Paradise and Hell. The countries are finishing right now and everything will work out with the evil that they have been doing. So remember the above from an Islamic perspective as too much is being talked about from a political perspective (which is understandable and fine to do, as we are witnesses to their evil on the Day of Judgement.

[Zafran]

1. I would say that care about the fact that they tried to kill Prophet Jesus peace be upon him first, as that is worse then the holocaust.

theres a problem here - its that the Jews that tried to kill Jesus pbuh were not the same Jews that died in the Holocaust. The blame game doesnt actaully work.

[h-n]

theres a problem here - its that the Jews that tried to kill Jesus pbuh were not the same Jews that died in the Holocaust. The blame game doesnt actaully work.

It does when they are reminding people who did nothing to contribute to the holocaust. They also want people to condemn what happened in the past, well they have not even accepted Jesus peace be upon him as a Prophet, or spoken about his ordeal.

Also suggest you get your intentions right and help the rest of the Muslims, instead of trying to attack me personally. At least people can see what your trying to do, and that my intentions are just fine. Doing anything to go against me, even if it means siding with Jews-how evil.

Anyhow leave you to it.

[Pygoscelis]

So because you think they (jews in this case) behave badly, you want to behave badly too?

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[FS123]

theres a problem here - its that the Jews that tried to kill Jesus pbuh were not the same Jews that died in the Holocaust. The blame game doesnt actaully work.

True! Son is not responsible for father's sins. Not in Islam anyway.

[h-n]

True! Son is not responsible for father's sins. Not in Islam anyway.

So what are you saying that the Jews of today, have distanced themselves from the crimes commited by thier parents??

So they have all accepted that Prophets Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon him are Prophets of Allah??
Why still reject hell?

etc, etc.

[h-n]

Qur'an 5:51 "O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as your friends, they are but friends to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are wrongdoers."

Qur'an 3:118 "O you who believe! Take not as your friends those outside your religion [Jews and Christians] since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the revelations, if you understand."

Qur'an 3:119 "Lo! You are the ones who love them [Jews and Christians] but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures while they disbelieve in your Book. And when they meet you, they say, 'We believe.' But when they are alone they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: 'Perish in your rage.' Certainly, Allah knows all the secrets in the breasts."

[Zafran]

It does when they are reminding people who did nothing to contribute to the holocaust. They also want people to condemn what happened in the past, well they have not even accepted Jesus peace be upon him as a Prophet, or spoken about his ordeal.

Also suggest you get your intentions right and help the rest of the Muslims, instead of trying to attack me personally. At least people can see what your trying to do, and that my intentions are just fine. Doing anything to go against me, even if it means siding with Jews-how evil.

Anyhow leave you to it.

where did I make a personal attack - I can see you making it by calling me evil -

anyhow I'll leave you to your worldview.