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Bintulislam
08-13-2010, 10:25 AM
Assalamu-alaikum!!

I need the exact words from Quran where it states that "people will have Rulers as they themselves would be" ASAP.I need to post it on my blog.

w/salaam.
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syed_z
08-13-2010, 01:04 PM
Asalaam O Alaikum brother... see actually there is no direct reference to such Punishment in the Quran.... however a Verse mentioned in the Quran explains that Allah (swt) does not change the condition of such people who do not change themselves... and so unless He does not see the people of a nation having any good in them, he does not change their condition and give them good rulers... for example...


(Al Quran 13:11) "Verily, God does not change the state of a People until they change themselves."


The Prophet (saw) said that The Angels brings the deeds of men up to God, may He be Exalted, and that God asks them "In what state did you leave my servants ?" They Reply "We left them while they were praying, and we came to them while they were praying." (Mishkat, Bukhari, Nisai)

The words of Quran where Allah relates the change in people according to their actions has 2 meanings. One that Allah (Swt) does not change the condition of a nation and make them wretched until they themselves move away from the path of God and become misguided or choose misguided path over guided path.

2nd meaning is that Allah (swt) does NOT change the condition of a people who are sinners and bless them unless they themselves choose the guided path and become worthy of being blessed.


So in Words of Prophet Muhammad (Saw) when the Angels of the Day and Night who spent time on earth and bring back the deeds of a nation to Allah (swt), He decides based on their doings , whether good or bad that should they be blessed or they still need some more time or should be punished severely. In case of them being given a bad ruler, they are given by Allah (Swt) such sinner to rule over them, as a punishment so that they repent, mend their ways and Allah blesses them with good leaders.

Sorry if i didnt give you what you were looking for....
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Muslim Woman
08-13-2010, 01:30 PM
Salaam sis

u may visit this link


Corrupt Leaders
According to Quran and Sunnah


http://muttaqun.com/corruptleaders.html
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Hiroshi
08-13-2010, 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by Bintulislam
Assalamu-alaikum!!

I need the exact words from Quran where it states that "people will have Rulers as they themselves would be" ASAP.I need to post it on my blog.

w/salaam.
This link:

http://muttaqun.com/corruptleaders.html

has this quote:



Shaykhul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah said:
"This is why those who are in authority are of two groups: the scholars and the rulers. If they are upright, the people will be upright; if they are corrupt, the people will be corrupt."


(Though not from the Qur'an, I'm afraid.)

Whoa! someone else got there already. Never mind.
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ژاله
08-13-2010, 05:54 PM
i cant think of such a verse in the Quran at the moment but theres an arabic proverb close to your statement,(actually the opposite of it:/) but anyway, thought you might be interested..
الناس على دين ملوكهم
i.e people follow the path of their rulers.
theres a similar hindi proverb as well. jesa raja wesi prja, but i should rather stop spamming.
sorry if my post did no help.
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Bintulislam
08-24-2010, 11:40 AM
Originally Posted by syed_z
Asalaam O Alaikum brother... see actually there is no direct reference to such Punishment in the Quran.... however a Verse mentioned in the Quran explains that Allah (swt) does not change the condition of such people who do not change themselves... and so unless He does not see the people of a nation having any good in them, he does not change their condition and give them good rulers... for example...


(Al Quran 13:11) "Verily, God does not change the state of a People until they change themselves."


The Prophet (saw) said that The Angels brings the deeds of men up to God, may He be Exalted, and that God asks them "In what state did you leave my servants ?" They Reply "We left them while they were praying, and we came to them while they were praying." (Mishkat, Bukhari, Nisai)

The words of Quran where Allah relates the change in people according to their actions has 2 meanings. One that Allah (Swt) does not change the condition of a nation and make them wretched until they themselves move away from the path of God and become misguided or choose misguided path over guided path.

2nd meaning is that Allah (swt) does NOT change the condition of a people who are sinners and bless them unless they themselves choose the guided path and become worthy of being blessed.


So in Words of Prophet Muhammad (Saw) when the Angels of the Day and Night who spent time on earth and bring back the deeds of a nation to Allah (swt), He decides based on their doings , whether good or bad that should they be blessed or they still need some more time or should be punished severely. In case of them being given a bad ruler, they are given by Allah (Swt) such sinner to rule over them, as a punishment so that they repent, mend their ways and Allah blesses them with good leaders.

Sorry if i didnt give you what you were looking for....
JazakAllah khairun
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Bintulislam
08-24-2010, 11:41 AM
Originally Posted by Malaak
i cant think of such a verse in the Quran at the moment but theres an arabic proverb close to your statement,(actually the opposite of it:/) but anyway, thought you might be interested..
الناس على دين ملوكهم
i.e people follow the path of their rulers.
theres a similar hindi proverb as well. jesa raja wesi prja, but i should rather stop spamming.
sorry if my post did no help.
JazakAllah Khairun
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Bintulislam
08-24-2010, 11:43 AM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
Salaam sis

u may visit this link


Corrupt Leaders
According to Quran and Sunnah

Wa-Alaikum-As-Salaam!

And Jazak Allah Sister!
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Bintulislam
08-24-2010, 11:45 AM
Originally Posted by Hiroshi
This link:

http://muttaqun.com/corruptleaders.html

has this quote:




Shaykhul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah said:
"This is why those who are in authority are of two groups: the scholars and the rulers. If they are upright, the people will be upright; if they are corrupt, the people will be corrupt."


(Though not from the Qur'an, I'm afraid.)

Whoa! someone else got there already. Never mind.
I think its a Hadith which says this..but I am not sure too.
Never mind Jazak allah for help.s
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