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Rhubarb Tart
08-18-2010, 12:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZpT2Muxoo0

:thumbs_up Kudos to this man. The reaction is ridiculous and its not even on ground zero. Two blocks away! well down to this man for speaking out against stupidity. Muslims also died in 9/11!
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Cabdullahi
08-18-2010, 08:54 PM
cool video cheers...i shouldve found this vid before but it missed my radar

shukran
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جوري
08-18-2010, 09:22 PM
It is amazing to me that they'd fire that alleged Dr. Laura, and Larry king is giving her lessons of why racial slurs are offensive, no where in his list of 'Jews, blacks, gays, Hispanics' did he make mention of Muslims and it is quite clear a joke/slur about any group will not be tolerated, but everything against Muslims is tolerated and encouraged ... I don't even watch the news anymore, although today I read another delightful piece on Al-Jazeera.. entitled Afghanistan the death of empires and reputations and sob7an Allah, for centuries no one could subjugate the afghans.. I am so very proud of them, may Allah swt make them triumphant forever against their enemies.. No one seems to aid any Muslims, especially not other Muslims, let's have a look at Pakistan and Palestine, were it a disaster to any western nation, the despots of the Arab world would be spending money on donations and aid.. but Muslim life comes so cheap these days..

S/he who has God in their heart has everything.. so let the rest keep their weaponry, soldiery and money, may it drag them straight to hell insha'Allah..

:w:
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Rhubarb Tart
08-18-2010, 11:51 PM
Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
It is amazing to me that they'd fire that alleged Dr. Laura, and Larry king is giving her lessons of why racial slurs are offensive, no where in his list of 'Jews, blacks, gays, Hispanics' did he make mention of Muslims and it is quite clear a joke/slur about any group will not be tolerated, but everything against Muslims is tolerated and encouraged ... I don't even watch the news anymore, although today I read another delightful piece on Al-Jazeera.. entitled Afghanistan the death of empires and reputations and sob7an Allah, for centuries no one could subjugate the afghans.. I am so very proud of them, may Allah swt make them triumphant forever against their enemies.. No one seems to aid any Muslims, especially not other Muslims, let's have a look at Pakistan and Palestine, were it a disaster to any western nation, the despots of the Arab world would be spending money on donations and aid.. but Muslim life comes so cheap these days..

S/he who has God in their heart has everything.. so let the rest keep their weaponry, soldiery and money, may it drag them straight to hell insha'Allah..

:w:
:sl:


I was reading the amount of money sent to Pakistan, I am so shocked at the Muslim world response.

I hate it when people say "muslim/Islam is not a race, it is a religion" excuse is getting pathetic and tiresome.
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Rhubarb Tart
08-19-2010, 12:20 AM
This is what I found in responses to Pakistan:


Islamic nations snub UN plea to help flood victims
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225906221821

[ISLAMIC nations are shunning a United Nations appeal for the worsening Pakistan floods, amid tensions with President Zardari.

Western countries have rallied to Pakistan's aid, with the US and Britain the leading donors in the drive to raise $US460 million in the first 90 days. Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, is expected to attend a special meeting of the UN General Assembly on Thursday to show solidarity with Pakistan, diplomats said.

Not a single Islamic nation appeared yesterday on the UN's latest list of donors, despite efforts to reach out to them.

The US had pledged $US62million, followed by Britain with $US26 million, bringing current commitments to $US204million - less than half of the UN's goal.

Japan came third with $US13 million, followed by lesser pledges from 18 other countries. The World Bank promised a $US900 million loan.

With 20 million people affected by the floods, the disaster has touched the lives of more people than the Haiti earthquake earlier this year, the 2005 Kashmir earthquake, and the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami. UN officials lament, however, that the aid response is falling short. "The response so far has been strong but we do need for it to be sustained and continue," said Nicholas Reader, a spokesman for the UN's humanitarian co-ordinator.

Mr Reader noted that Islamic nations such as Saudi Arabia had traditionally given aid directly to Pakistan rather than through the UN. "The money we track is ... given to the multilateral process and given through UN appeals," he said. "It does not track the money that is given bilaterally."

Analysts blamed Riyadh's strained relations with President Zardari for the apparent indifference of the oil-rich Saudi Government. "King Abdullah has never liked Mr Zardari, for various reasons," said a former Pakistani diplomat.

"One is Mr Zardari's closeness to the Americans. His being a Shia may also be a factor."

Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Pakistan's Foreign Minister, has asked the Organisation of the Islamic Conference to convene a special session to help his country.

Turkey and Kuwait have pledged $US5million each and Malaysia has offered $US1 million. Saudi Arabia has reportedly offered $US100million, but has so far sent only one aircraft with relief goods. The United Arab Emirates has dispatched six helicopters.

Anti-government protests broke out yesterday in many areas of Pakistan affected by floods as the UN warned that 3.5 million children were at risk from cholera and other diseases because the aid effort was inadequate.

Demonstrators blocked a road and attacked vehicles in Sukkur in President Zardari's home province of Sindh, as raging waters marooned dozens more villages. Protests were also reported in Punjab province, where millions of people are still without food, clean drinking water, shelter and proper medical help.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Pakistan_floods

"Response by national governments

* AfghanistanAfghanistan finance minister Hazrat Omar Zakhailwal handed a cheque worth $1 million to Pakistani ambassador Mohammad Sadiq at the end of a press conference in Afghan capital Kabul.[47]

* Australia Australia announced a A$10 million aid-package,[48] as well as committing two C17 Globemaster aircraft to deliver emergency supplies and to assist relief efforts.[49]

* Azerbaijan Azerbaijan embassy in Pakistan transferred its two-days’ salary worth around $2,000 to relief fund.[50] The country will also give US$1 million financial assistance for helping the victims and eliminate the aftermath of the disaster.[51][52][53]

* Brazil Brazil donated US$ 0.7 million through World Food Programme or life-saving assistance to the affected.[54]

* Canada Canada announced that it would donate $2 million worth of emergency aid. $750,000 are expected to be donated to the ICRC for distribution of shelter-materials and water, sanitation and health-services, while the remainder goes to the WFP to provide much-needed food-assistance. On August 14 the Canadian government announced an additional $32 million dollars in aid.[55]

* People's Republic of China China initially announced that it would provide emergency aid worth 10 million yuan (approx. US$ 1.48 million ) to help the flood-victims. China was one of the first countries providing immediate aid to Pakistan in the aftermath of the floods. The People's Liberation Army donated another 10 million yuan to Pakistan.[citation needed] The Chinese Red Cross has also given US $50,000 in cash to Pakistan.[56][57] The Chinese ambassador to Pakistan traveled to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and expressed his condolences to those affected by the tragedy.[58][59] On August 13, China announced another emergency humanitarian aid worth 50 million yuan (US$7.35 million) bringing the total official Chinese relief aid to more than 70 million yuan to the flood-affected Pakistani people.[60]

* Denmark Denmark has donated 60 million DKK. ($10 million)[61]

* European Union European Union released 10 million euros to help Pakistan's flood victims on 11 August, as part of emergency aid to flood-stricken country.[62]

* Finland Finland government donated 1.2 million euros for humanitarian assistance to the flood victims. 600,000 euros were channeled through the World Health Organization, 400,000 euros through the UNHCR and 200,000 euros through Finn Church Aid.[63][64]

* Germany Germany initially committed 1 million euros for the victims, which was further increased to 2 million euros on 6 August.[65] On 12 August, Germany announced a $13 million aid package.[66]

* Hong Kong Hong Kong has donated HK$ 3 million to World Vision for a relief project for flood victims in Pakistan.[67]

* India India offered on 13 August US$ 6.8 million for provision of relief material for the victims of the massive floods.[68][69]

* Iran Iran has committed over 400 tonnes of relief goods so far as of 14 August 2010 out of which 180 tonnes have already been delivered by the Iranian transport aircrafts. These goods include tents, floorings, clothes, canned food, bread and medical supplies. Iranian red crescent society has also been on the ground along with Pakistan red crescent society as a part of its ongoing relief operation inside Pakistan to more than 100,000 flood vicitms. In addition to the Iranian government help Ayatollah Lotfollah Safi Golpaygani has announced that one third of collected Khums will be donated to Pakistan for humanitarian assistance.[70][71][72][73][74][75][76][77] Iran's chamber of commerce also donated US $1 million to the flood affectees.[78] Iran has also offered to setup field hospitals and community centers for flood victims in Pakistan.[79]

* Japan Japan provided US$ 0.23 million for emergency relief goods, while additional assistance of up to US$3 million has been committed for the disaster aftermath.

* Kuwait Kuwait has also donated US $5 million to victims of the severe floods in Pakistan, according to Kuwait Red Crescent Society (KRCS).[80]

* Malaysia Malaysia has also announced aid of $1 million to help people in flood-hit Pakistan.[81]

* Nepal Nepal cabinet provided cash assistance of Rs 10 million for flood victims in Pakistan.[82]

* Nigeria Nigeria also assisted Pakistan by donating US$ 1 million.[83]

* Norway Norway facilitated relief operation by providing NOK 30 million. NOK 9 million were given to UN Central Emergency Response Fund, and NOK 21 million were allocated to UNICEF, Pakistan Emergency Response Fund (ERF), and Pakistan Red Crescent Society[84]

* Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia released a statement announcing the establishment of an air-bridge to ferry relief-supplies to Pakistan. In total Saudi Arabia has allocated US $100 million for the relief-operation.[85]

* Sri Lanka Sri Lanka dispatched 18 metric tons of relief goods worth approx US$ 3 million to Pakistan on a Sri Lankan Air Force C-130.[86][87][88] The Health Ministry will also send will be in the 15 member special medical team to Pakistan.[89]

* Syria Syria announced that it would send 35 tonnes of foodstuffs, medical supplies, medicines and many other necessary materials to help flood victims[90]

* Turkey Turkey has donated US$ 5 million to Pakistan, in addition to 115 tonnes of humanitarian aid consisting of food packages, blankets, sleeping bags and beds delivered to Pakistan Red Crescent Society.[91][92]

* United Kingdom United Kingdom has dispatched a Royal Air Force C17 aircraft which is the RAF's largest transport aircraft capable of carrying almost 74,000 kg of freight and 138 personnel over distances up to 4,500 nautical miles (8,300 km). The C17 has already taken a load of 500 tents to Islamabad, where they will be driven to Peshawar to help provide shelter for people driven from their homes by the flooding.[93] Former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has also acknowledged the slow international response and urged British public to donate generously.[94] British monarch, Queen Elizabeth II has made a personal donation to the relief effort for flood victims in Pakistan, the Queen gave an undisclosed amount via the. British Red Cross.[95] Additionally, the UK government "has now earmarked up to £31.3 million for the relief and recovery effort." [96] Nick Clegg said that the international response had been "absolutely pitiful."[97]

* United States The United States has been at the forefront of the relief effort.[98] United States stated that it would provide 56,000 ready meals on August 1 and 2, twelve temporary bridges and two water-filtration-plants to help the flood-victims as part of a US$10 million aid-pledge.[99] Commenting on the floods, the United States Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, stated, "The Pakistani people are friends and partners, and the United States is standing with them as the tragic human toll mounts from flooding in northwest Pakistan."[100] Hillary Clinton personally donated $10 for flood-relief in an effort to encourage people to donate, no matter how small the amount.[101] On 10 August, US announced another $20 million to provide relief for the affected,[102] taking the flood related aid from United States to US$ 55 million.[103] On 11 August, US increased its assistance for flood-ravaged Pakistan to $ 71 million.[104] Additionally, United States initially provided six US Army CH-47 Chinook helicopters from their duty in Afghanistan. On 12 August, it provided two more CH-53E Super Stallion helicopters to assist Pakistan Army in their relief efforts. The two helicopters are first of 19 helicopters that US Defense Secretary Robert Gates has urgently ordered for Pakistan in next few days.[105] Senator John Kerry will also visit Pakistan in order to survey the damage from the disaster, and to raise US public awareness about Pakistani relief needs.[106] On 13 August, US increased its aid to US $84 million as USS Peleliu gets ready to dispatch more helicopters pledged earlier by US Defense Secretary.[107] In addition to this, the United States is providing $3 million to the World Health Organization to expand the capacity of Pakistan's Disease Early Warning System (DEWS) and to establish the first 15 treatment centers for water-borne illness. It is also working with the humanitarian community to spread awareness through radio stations regarding safety precautions against water-borne diseases.[108] On 14 August, further two CH-53E Super Stallion and a MH-53E Sea Dragon arrived in Pakistan to work with Pakistan military in flood-affected areas.[109]

* World Bank provided US$ 1.3 million to Pakistani government for relief work.[110] The bank has additionally approved a loan of US$ 900 million for medium and long term reconstruction.[111]

* International Monetary Fund (IMF) has also offered to discuss how to help Pakistan manage the economic impact of the floods.[112]

[edit] Response by non-governmental organizations

* Disasters Emergency Committee, an umbrella group of 13 UK charities reports that as of 14 August its flood-relief-appeal has so far raised £12 million and that its member agencies have distributed aid to more than 600,000 people.[113]

* Oxfam has currently providing clean water and hot meals to over 180,000 people. In total, Oxfam aims to reach around 900,000 people with clean water, sanitation kits and hygiene supplies.[114]

* Save the Children are using helicopters, donkeys and boats to deliver doctors and medical supplies to families cut off by the water. They've sent a medical team and medicines in on donkeys in Allai and treated more than one thousand patients currently and plan to distribute 800 shelter kits, including tarpaulins, jerry cans and plastic glasses, to flood-affected families.[115]

* International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement Red Cross has dispatched food and shelter items for more than 100,000 people for distribution by Pakistan Red Crescent volunteers. In addition, medicines and medical supplies have been sent to Paroa Hospital in Dera Ismail Khan and to Bannu.[116]

* Humanity First, in collaboration with NCHD has dispatched over 500 tents as well as mattresses, blankets, floor mats, buckets and shoes. 350 water survival boxes have been provided in collaboration with the British Rotary charity WorldWaterWorks Limited. The local team is also preparing packs of non-perishable food to last a month for 1,000 families. The initial response package is for around 10,000 people, but response is expected to rise. Moreover, 3 medical camps have been set up which see 200 patients a day.[117]

* MERCY Malaysia has setup two clinics in the districts of Nowshera and Charsadda, each with a local doctor and three medical staff. It also sent a team on 12 August to support the clinics. The NGO donated five units of ultra-filtration water systems worth US$15,000 and donated US$40,000 worth of tents, food and drinking water.[118][119]

* CARE International has provided water purification tablets, tents, family hygiene kits, kitchen sets, tarpaulins and mosquito nets to thousands of survivors. Mobile and basic healthcare units have provided health services to around 4,500 people.[120]

* Islamic Relief is distributing 3,570 family hygiene kits in Nowshera and Mardan districts benefitting 24,990 people. Also it is distributing 2,850 household kits (containing mattresses, mosquito nets etc.) and 2,850 kitchen sets to benefit 19,950 people.[121] Pakistani cricket star Shahid Afridi is working with the NGO in raising the aid for the disaster.[122]

* Muslim Charity has launched £750,000 appeal to help the victims of flood in Pakistan. Muslim Charity targets to benefit 45,000 people through its activities. Muslim Charity is providing food to 25,000 people for the month of Ramadan, clean drinking water to 10,000 people, medical facilities to 10,000 people through its 5 medical camps and shelter to 5,000 people. In its second phase of relief work; Muslim Charity targets to reconstruct 200 house in Pakistan.

* Concern have helped 18,000 people and 6,400 people in Charsadda district have received emergency packages.[123]

* UNICEF UNICEF has set up 24 medical camps in the affected areas, benefiting around one million people.[124]

* United Methodist Church's represenatives are on the ground with a project that within the week will purify more than 3.5 million liters of drinking water and benefit more than 73,000 people a day. The Methodist are also helping to bring food relief and emergency shelter to tens of thousands of Pakistanis affected by the flooding.[125]

* Pakistan Cricket Board and English Cricket Board are working together to organize a fundraiser exhibition match for the benefit of flood victims.[126][127]

* World Vision is currently providing clean water and food in Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa province and is treating people at five health clinics. The agency plans to reach 150,000 people during the first 90 days with relief items including water purification packets, hygiene kits, tents, cooking items and food. It also aims to provide cash-for-work activities to 1,000 people, open additional health posts, set up 20 child-friendly spaces and 20 women-friendly spaces to provide a safe and comfortable environment for children and women to interact with peers and receive support. World Vision plans to expand these efforts as floodwaters recede and more communities become accessible.[citation needed]

* Jama'at-ud-Da'wah stated that it had 2000 workers providing flood-relief.[128]

* Giving Children Hope will be distributing relief medical supplies and equipment to three medical centers and mobile medical clinics located in Peshawar, Pakistan, the capital of the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province- one of the hardest hit by the flood. These relief supplies will be distributed to those who are living in temporary shelters and those already living in poverty. http://www.gchope.org/flood-in-pakistan.html

* University of Western Sydney: Professor Janice Reid, Vice-Chancellor and University President, announced to support to the people of Pakistan, the University of Western Sydney will be making a $10,000 donation to the Australian Red Cross. In her appeal, “The UWS community is a compassionate community and, as in similar relief efforts in the past, UWS staff and students have expressed a desire to collectively contribute to the relief effort. Whilst we would like to establish a central fund, advice indicates that it is faster and easier for people to donate directly to the key agencies coordinating aid and relief appeals”. "
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...arabia-pledges

Pakistan floods: Saudi Arabia pledges $100m -
Oil-rich country overtakes US as main aid donor as second wave of flooding hits new areas in southern provinces
Sorry if this is not relevant to this topic. Move to more relevant topic if it is not relevant.
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Rhubarb Tart
08-19-2010, 12:21 AM
Edit: double post
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Rabi Mansur
08-19-2010, 12:51 AM
:sl:

I normally don't care all that much for Keith Olberman but this was some really good stuff. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Peace.
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ابن آل مرة
08-20-2010, 05:04 AM
I heard that new about to be build mosque is run by Sufis. Wallahu 3lam. I dont see any need of spending $100 Million dollars on a masjid when Muslims are dying in Pakistan, Afghanistan and name em. it is a sign of qiyama, where mosques will be decorated and minbars will be elevated. may Allah protect us from this Fitnah.
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manaal
08-20-2010, 03:44 PM
Originally Posted by Ahmed M.
I heard that new about to be build mosque is run by Sufis. Wallahu 3lam. I dont see any need of spending $100 Million dollars on a masjid when Muslims are dying in Pakistan, Afghanistan and name em. it is a sign of qiyama, where mosques will be decorated and minbars will be elevated. may Allah protect us from this Fitnah.
Agree that so much money need not be spent for the purpose, but it's not "a mosque" that they are building.

From The Baltimore Sun:
From the pitched rhetoric of its opponents, though, you'd think a minaret-topped mosque was going to be built right atop the site of the former World Trade Center.

Instead, Park51, as the proposed building would be called, is envisioned as a community center of about 15 stories which, although it would include a mosque for prayer, would also have a swimming pool, an auditorium and other amenities that make it more akin to a YMCA than a dedicated house of worship. And it wouldn't be built anywhere on Ground Zero itself but two blocks to the north.
From Time magazine:
......Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf — the Arab-American cleric behind the mosque project near Ground Zero ...... A consummate moderate who has made a career preaching about the compatibility of Islamic and American values, Rauf has been cast as a dangerous radical by the mosque's opponents. Few of them are moved by the name of Rauf's proposed building: Cordoba House, named for the city in Spanish Andalucia where Muslims, Jews and Christians once co-existed for centuries in an extraordinary flourishing of culture and science.
Whatever it is, I wonder why he is so determined to set it up right there. IMO, they themselves should decide to move before the controversy gets any bigger.
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Rhubarb Tart
08-20-2010, 03:56 PM
:sl:

They were using the site for years now. So he wasn't determine to do anything. What would you say to the two mosques that are closer to the site? move away? The community centre is two block away, i hardly call that close to this site. It is not in the view of that site. It written in stone, whether they cry to death about it. They cannot stop it.

It is community centre that has a baskest ball court, swimming pool and the whole lot. They were planning this for years. If they want all that in the community centre then 100 million is what they needed to pay.

the islamicphobia in the media is obvious.
1. not even in the view of the site, two blocks away. and there are other mosque closer to ground zero.

2. it is not even a moqsue and serve the whole community.

3. it happen to be "muslims" that are using this site.

4. muslims in new york should watch out. anything you do will be link to 9/11.
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manaal
08-20-2010, 04:14 PM
Peace sister. I understand it all. Just giving my opinion. The politicians getting media mileage out of this is what I can't stand.
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Rhubarb Tart
08-20-2010, 05:12 PM
Originally Posted by manaal
Peace sister. I understand it all. Just giving my opinion. The politicians getting media mileage out of this is what I can't stand.
oh I wasn't attack you. I was just saying how it was that is all. sorry if i offended you or you had the impression that I was attacking you.

ramadan kareem!
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~Raindrop~
08-20-2010, 05:15 PM
I don't understand: why all the fuss over the name Qurtuba? :hmm:
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Zafran
08-20-2010, 06:45 PM
Originally Posted by Aisha
I don't understand: why all the fuss over the name Qurtuba? :hmm:
salaam

The haters are trying say that it represents "conquest as Qurtaba was taken over by muslims - they forget to remember what happend there when the christains took it back - its a non sensical argument realy.

peace
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Darth Ultor
08-20-2010, 08:01 PM
You know what would shut the opposition up? The sheikh appearing on the 9/11 anniversary to talk about the mosque and condemn al-Qaeda terrorism. Open up a Quran and actually read the verse forbidding the murder of innocents. Forgot where it was.
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Junon
08-20-2010, 10:51 PM
Originally Posted by Boaz
You know what would shut the opposition up? The sheikh appearing on the 9/11 anniversary to talk about the mosque and condemn al-Qaeda terrorism. Open up a Quran and actually read the verse forbidding the murder of innocents. Forgot where it was.
Salaam

I wish it was as straightforward as this but no even if he did it wouldnt have much effect, plenty of statements have been made before by various religious authorities condemning terror but its ignored or deemed uninteresting to print.
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Snowflake
08-20-2010, 11:16 PM
I liked what he said. May Allah guide him to the Truth. Ameen. But I wish he hadn't said that no muslim was injured because the pipe bomb had been place outside the masjid, and that if it had been inside then... blah blah blah.. I was like oh no he's just given them ideas :\
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sabr*
08-20-2010, 11:39 PM
As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Why in the world do practicing Muslims even care what the non Muslim say? It appears people are more concerned with appearance than with actual practice.

If the site was so sacred to the families and people concerned why didn't they protest the commercial rebuilding on the site? The Masjid is two blocks away. The conservative neo nuts are
Funding this campaign for the November election. The masses are hoodwinked again.

This isn't even a conspiracy theory issue. Review the Zionist names credits after newscasts who are reporting this craziness. Stop relying on the kufr to tell you about what is going on in the world.

Surah Kafirun 109

1. Say (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)to these Mushrikûn and Kâfirûn): "O Al-Kâfirûn (disbelievers in Allâh, in His Oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in His Messengers, in the Day of Resurrection, and in Al-Qadar, etc.)!
2. "I worship not that which you worship,
3. "Nor will you worship that which I worship.
4. "And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping.
5. "Nor will you worship that which I worship.
6. "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islâmic Monotheism)."
(Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)
____________________________________________

Surah Al Isra 17:45-48

45. And when you (Muhammad SAW) recite the Qur'ân, We put between you and those who believe not in the Hereafter, an invisible veil(or screen their hearts, so they hear or understand it not).

46. And We have put coverings over their hearts lest, they should understand it (the Qur'ân), and in their ears deafness. And when you make mention of your Lord Alone [Lâ ilâha ill-Allâh (none has the right to be worshipped but Allâh) Islâmic Monotheism in the Qur'ân, they turn on their backs, fleeing in extreme dislikeness.
47. We know best of what they listen to, when they listen to you. And when they take secret counsel, behold, the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.) say: "You follow none but a bewitched man."
48. See what examples they have put forward for you. So they have gone astray, and never can they find a way.
(Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)
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manaal
09-09-2010, 02:44 AM
This is what my cousin said about my opinion that the plans to continue with the building of the centre should be abandoned.

The Treaty of Hudaybiah comes to my mind. Prophet Muhammad (SAL) compromised even though the terms of the treaty were unfair towards the Muslims. These historic event in the life of our beloved Prophet occurred for a reason; so that we can always refer to how he handled different kinds of situations in his life. Islam is the only religion which shows with real examples, how to behave & handle different situations in our life.
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Darth Ultor
09-09-2010, 04:28 AM
I saw the interview with the Imam and he was great. I applauded everything he said. That woman interviewing him was something of a **** wasn't she?
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Ummu Sufyaan
09-09-2010, 06:22 AM
it would be interesting to see the fine details of this situation such as:

1) where did the idea come from that there is going to be a mosque
2) who spread the news that this mosque was "going to be on" ground zero
3) what does this alleged building contain? what is it for? to my knowledge it is just a community center which happens to have a prayer room in it (correct me if im wrong).

funny how things get blown out of proportion and suddenly things get turned upside down when the terms "mosque" and "ground zero" are put in the same sentence. Goodness where are people's brains?

besides didn't the Americans take over Saddam's palace in Iraq and turn it into a military base? where are the protests about that.
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ابن آل مرة
09-09-2010, 07:28 AM
Most Amreekans do not have brain, unfortunately. Yesterday me and my friend went to Wal-mart, and he was wearing a thobe, as it was raining soo hard, he covered his head with his thobe, and few ladies outside walmart started screaming "OMG, what is he doing, he looks like a terrorist". I started laughing, but i thought about how ignorant these fools are.
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truth finder
09-09-2010, 08:34 PM
Hi readers

Sometime ago I read an article in CNN about Obama’s endorsement for the construction of the controversial mosque near the Ground Zero. Although it must have been a difficult decision, I think it was the right one.

Perhaps capitalism among others represents the United States and the western world in general best. The most symbolic monument of capitalism was the World Trade Centers in New York. There were indeed impressive buildings, because I visited there several years before they were destroyed by Islamic extremists. In a sense these buildings for the westerners are equivalent to the Great Mosque of Hajj for Muslims. Although I am neither an American nor a westerner, the destruction of the Twin Towers must have been a painful humiliation to the hearts of Americans. In that sense they might have every reason to oppose the construction of the mosque near the Ground Zero. In spite of the symbolic meaning of the destruction of the World Trade Centers, I still believe the Obama administration has made the right decision based on the right of the freedom of religion. Religious freedom must be exercised everywhere, including even the most painful place. This should be a good precedent to the world including Islamic countries. Considering this example, building a church near the Great Mosque of Hajj should be even much easier because it is unlikely to be destroyed by Christian extremists. In a sense, the Obama administration demonstrated the words of Jesus to those who are involved in the political movement of Islam (conquering the world by Islam and Shariah), “But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also.” (Luke 6:27-29)

This is my personal advice to non-Muslims and particularly non-Muslim Americans. In fact many people have shown their objections and concerns to the construction of the mosque near the Ground Zero. They might have every reason for the opposition, but I believe it is time to move forward. After all, is USA known and praised by the world for protecting the religious freedom for everybody? While they should be vigilant to the political movement of Islam by some Muslims, they also should extend the full religious freedom to other Muslims who do not follow this movement. But it would be also wise to consider the emotional side of the victim’s families as well as the public.
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Muezzin
09-09-2010, 09:52 PM
If a community centre with Muslim prayer facilities qualifies as a mosque, and this ticks people off because it is two blocks away from Ground Zero, those people are really going to lose their pants when the Freedom Tower is built, complete with Muslim prayer facilities. According to some of these people's logic, that would make it the tallest mosque in New York, on Ground Zero itself.
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manaal
09-09-2010, 10:47 PM
Welcome to the forums brother.

By reading your post above, I feel that you have a lot to learn about Islam and Muslims. Now that Ramadan is over, the locked threads will be re-opened for posting and you go read through them and learn more about Islam.

Secondly, I believe that you have read all the posts on this thread. If you had, you'd understand that there is no "construction" of a "mosque" taking place near Ground Zero.

The building in question has always been there. They are turning it into a community centre which will include a mosque - or in other words - a prayer room.


Originally Posted by truth finder
Hi readers
The most symbolic monument of capitalism was the World Trade Centers in New York. There were indeed impressive buildings, because I visited there several years before they were destroyed by Islamic extremists.
I agree with you on both counts. The destroyers were not just extremists, they had a distorted view of what Islam is all about.

In a sense these buildings for the westerners are equivalent to the Great Mosque of Hajj for Muslims.
Wrong thing to say bro! You are going to get hacked for this. There is no comparison to the Holy Mosque in Makkah on this earth. It is the holiest of holy places. It is called "the house of Allah" in the Holy Qura'n. To compare it to any man made thing is an insult. And an even bigger one because WTC has nothing to do with religion. I don't think even the Vatican is a comparison due to what The Holy Mosque stands for and because unlike the Vatican is it for ALL Muslims regardless of whether they are Sunnis or Shias. The Vatican to the best of my knowledge is a Holy Place for Catholics only.


In a sense, the Obama administration demonstrated the words of Jesus to those who are involved in the political movement of Islam (conquering the world by Islam and Shariah)
They are not following true Shariah law. Nowhere in the Shariah does it say that Muslims should destroy non-Muslims and kill them all.


This is my personal advice to non-Muslims and particularly non-Muslim Americans. In fact many people have shown their objections and concerns to the construction of the mosque near the Ground Zero. They might have every reason for the opposition, but I believe it is time to move forward. After all, is USA known and praised by the world for protecting the religious freedom for everybody? While they should be vigilant to the political movement of Islam by some Muslims, they also should extend the full religious freedom to other Muslims who do not follow this movement. But it would be also wise to consider the emotional side of the victim’s families as well as the public.
That is the correct view. Sadly, people around the world and not only America are ready to believe anything that the media feeds them, which is why there is such an outcry over the planning of the Cordoba community centre. This is another reason why I believe that the plans should be abandoned.


By the way......... Islam is the only religion in which prayer is compulsory and the manner in which to pray has been described by the messenger himself. This is why we need mosques.
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جوري
09-09-2010, 10:56 PM
sob7an Allah, are we playing along that Muslims were behind '911'? it is the most elaborate american hoax since the bay of pigs, I must applaud their success with it, but surely the truth will come out sooner or later and there will be hell to pay then as they have managed to wreak so much havoc on other nations in the process and breed the most hateful turds in history toward Muslims!
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alcurad
09-09-2010, 11:22 PM
by M. Junaid Levesque-Alam

In their spirited assault on Islam, conservatives have seized upon one notion with particular delight: the Abrahamic faith embraced by a quarter of humanity is a "cult."

Tennessee Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey popularized the claim in July when a constituent asked about the "threat that’s invading our country from Muslims"; Ramsey wondered aloud whether Islam "is actually a religion or is it a nationality, way of life or cult" and later asserted that "far too much of Islam has come to resemble a violent political philosophy more than peace-loving religion." Soon after, some of Ramsey’s constituents set ablaze a planned mosque site near Nashville and fired shots when parishioners tried to inspect the damage.

Farther south, in Florida, Pastor Terry Jones proclaimed that Islam is not just a cult but a Satanic creation — hence his planned bonfire of Qur’ans. He is not alone among Floridians. Congressional candidate and retired Army officer Allen West announced earlier this year that Islam is "not a religion" but a "vicious enemy" intent on "infiltrating" America. Another candidate in the sunshine state, Ron McNeil, described Islam as a malicious plot to "destroy our way of life."

And in upstate New York this August, teenagers who viewed the local mosque as a "cult house" terrorized mosque-goers by blasting a shotgun and sideswiping a parishioner.

What accounts for this renewed alacrity in attacking Islam?

Muslim paratroopers did not suffuse the skies with crescent-shaped parachutes and descend on America. Nor did Muslim terrorists unfurl prayer rugs camouflaged as conifers and seize the highways. The bleating about the Muslim "cult" was provoked by nothing more than a proposed Muslim YMCA, one which is to be headed by a State Department-sponsored Sufi imam and located no closer to Ground Zero than sundry pubs, food stands, pornography stores, and strip clubs.

To repeat the facts, however, is to miss the point. The "Islam is a cult" mantra is not an epithet: it is the axiom of a belief system that outmatches any religion in America in influence and irrationality.

Within this belief system, facts cannot weaken the pull of the idea that "whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labeled ‘good’ or ‘bad,’" and reason cannot compete with the coveted "habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects."

This belief system is nationalism (distinct from patriotism), and the quoted descriptions are two symptoms of the disease as identified by George Orwell in his matchless 1945 essay on the subject.

The source of sustenance for our endless and boundless wars, American nationalism brooks neither logic nor nuance.

When Ramsey complained that Islam resembles "a violent political philosophy" while cheering invasions, occupations, and bombings that form the apex of violence, he showed more than a personal failing. For the nationalist, Orwell observed, "Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them."

Likewise, when Sherry McLain, a protester of the proposed Tennessee mosque, told Nashville public radio, "Something’s going on, and I don’t like it. We’re at war with these people," this reflected more than individual ignorance. It was an expression of adherence to a belief system — a cult, to borrow popular parlance — that demands ignorance as a condition of entry.

Anyone who doubts the cult-like qualities of American nationalism need only examine the signature slogan of the anti-Muslim movement. When Newt Gingrich averred that no "mosques" should be built near Ground Zero so long as there are no churches in Saudi Arabia and no non-Muslims in Mecca, his pout became the indignant refrain of many protesters.

Critics rightly countered that America should not devolve to Saudi levels of intolerance and that American Muslims should not be conflated with the tiny Wahhabi sect that rules over the Arabian Peninsula (with American support, no less).

But that is beside the point: why compare a site of 3,000 deaths to a place of religious significance at all? Mecca’s Kaaba is comparable to, say, the Temple Mount or the Chapel of the Ascension; these are places where religious leaders inspired their flocks and urged them to lead just and pious lives. Ground Zero, on the other hand, is a site of destruction surrounded by trinket-peddlers, food stalls, and cheap bars.

And yet the nationalist cult hankers to place a halo of sanctity around the site. The cultists do not complain about the seedy environs and they do not care about first-responders who forfeited their health to rescue the victims. But the idea of Ground Zero serves as a fountainhead — one which allows the nationalist faithful to soak in vengeful anger against Muslims and fulminate for more war — and is thus "sacred" to the war project.

Deep irrationality and false sanctity are not the only characteristics of a cult. Belief in the infallibility of specious leaders is also a marker. In the case of American nationalism, it is the most striking one.

In the hazy, distant past — that is to say, seven years ago — the high priests of the Iraq War promised that Iraqis would warmly embrace us. Neoconservative soothsayers prophesied that Iraq would be just the first of many Muslim countries to fall under America’s awesome sway.

The catastrophic result of the invasion was matched only by the willful ignorance of its proponents. None knew or cared to know about Arab or Muslim sentiment, the differences between Sunnis and Shiites, or the role of Israeli loyalists in pushing for war against one of Israel’s most hated enemies.

And now, as we receive official blessings to "turn the page" on the war, the leaders of the war cult are not humbled but brazen. They have not only escaped punishment but attained a platform to pine for a repeat performance.

Witness the spectacle of Bush loyalists begrudging Obama for not "crediting" Bush with the surge; the men demand gratitude for slowing the bleeding they themselves caused by carving wounds into Iraq’s flesh. Witness the gaggle of Israel-friendly figures peddling war against Iran; they are led by former Israeli soldier Jeffrey Goldberg, who once admonished "people with limited experience" for reaching the "naive conclusion that an invasion of Iraq will cause America to be loathed in the Middle East."

Such is the backdrop of the anti-Islam movement in America. Learning from past mistakes, filling gaps of ignorance, and engaging with Muslims might produce the dreaded result of peace, so disciples of the nationalist cult fan the flames of hatred at the altar of endless, winless war.

It is tempting to believe that this cult is limited to conservatives, but some liberals are also devotees. A writer at American Prospect recently inveighed against a new book that dared to compare American conservatives to Islamic extremists, intoning that there is no "excuse" for the "obscenity of comparing our political opponents to killers and terrorists." As Glenn Greenwald reminds us, the comparison "is true by definition": those who attacked Iraq are responsible for ruining and ending the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians. The nationalist, however, always places the nation "beyond good and evil" and "the smallest slur upon his own unit…fills him with uneasiness which he can relieve only by making some sharp retort," as Orwell observed.

It is also tempting to believe that our nationalism-gone-amok is a new phenomenon, but America’s militarist and messianic strains go back to its early days. As the scholar Eric Foner noted in his 2001 address to the American Historical Association, "The nation’s rapid territorial growth was widely viewed as evidence of the innate superiority of a mythical construct known as the ‘Anglo-Saxon race,’ whose special qualities made it uniquely suited to bring freedom and prosperity to the continent and the world."

There are, of course, other, more noble impulses evinced in American history: justice, prudence, and pragmatism. These are the attributes that must resurface if America is to wean itself from its violent political philosophy and become a peace-loving country.

http://original.antiwar.com/levesque...powerful-cult/
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alcurad
09-09-2010, 11:26 PM
by M. Junaid Levesque-Alam

In their spirited assault on Islam, conservatives have seized upon one notion with particular delight: the Abrahamic faith embraced by a quarter of humanity is a "cult."

Tennessee Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey popularized the claim in July when a constituent asked about the "threat that’s invading our country from Muslims"; Ramsey wondered aloud whether Islam "is actually a religion or is it a nationality, way of life or cult" and later asserted that "far too much of Islam has come to resemble a violent political philosophy more than peace-loving religion." Soon after, some of Ramsey’s constituents set ablaze a planned mosque site near Nashville and fired shots when parishioners tried to inspect the damage.

Farther south, in Florida, Pastor Terry Jones proclaimed that Islam is not just a cult but a Satanic creation — hence his planned bonfire of Qur’ans. He is not alone among Floridians. Congressional candidate and retired Army officer Allen West announced earlier this year that Islam is "not a religion" but a "vicious enemy" intent on "infiltrating" America. Another candidate in the sunshine state, Ron McNeil, described Islam as a malicious plot to "destroy our way of life."

And in upstate New York this August, teenagers who viewed the local mosque as a "cult house" terrorized mosque-goers by blasting a shotgun and sideswiping a parishioner.

What accounts for this renewed alacrity in attacking Islam?

Muslim paratroopers did not suffuse the skies with crescent-shaped parachutes and descend on America. Nor did Muslim terrorists unfurl prayer rugs camouflaged as conifers and seize the highways. The bleating about the Muslim "cult" was provoked by nothing more than a proposed Muslim YMCA, one which is to be headed by a State Department-sponsored Sufi imam and located no closer to Ground Zero than sundry pubs, food stands, pornography stores, and strip clubs.

To repeat the facts, however, is to miss the point. The "Islam is a cult" mantra is not an epithet: it is the axiom of a belief system that outmatches any religion in America in influence and irrationality.

Within this belief system, facts cannot weaken the pull of the idea that "whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labeled ‘good’ or ‘bad,’" and reason cannot compete with the coveted "habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects."

This belief system is nationalism (distinct from patriotism), and the quoted descriptions are two symptoms of the disease as identified by George Orwell in his matchless 1945 essay on the subject.

The source of sustenance for our endless and boundless wars, American nationalism brooks neither logic nor nuance.

When Ramsey complained that Islam resembles "a violent political philosophy" while cheering invasions, occupations, and bombings that form the apex of violence, he showed more than a personal failing. For the nationalist, Orwell observed, "Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them."

Likewise, when Sherry McLain, a protester of the proposed Tennessee mosque, told Nashville public radio, "Something’s going on, and I don’t like it. We’re at war with these people," this reflected more than individual ignorance. It was an expression of adherence to a belief system — a cult, to borrow popular parlance — that demands ignorance as a condition of entry.

Anyone who doubts the cult-like qualities of American nationalism need only examine the signature slogan of the anti-Muslim movement. When Newt Gingrich averred that no "mosques" should be built near Ground Zero so long as there are no churches in Saudi Arabia and no non-Muslims in Mecca, his pout became the indignant refrain of many protesters.

Critics rightly countered that America should not devolve to Saudi levels of intolerance and that American Muslims should not be conflated with the tiny Wahhabi sect that rules over the Arabian Peninsula (with American support, no less).

But that is beside the point: why compare a site of 3,000 deaths to a place of religious significance at all? Mecca’s Kaaba is comparable to, say, the Temple Mount or the Chapel of the Ascension; these are places where religious leaders inspired their flocks and urged them to lead just and pious lives. Ground Zero, on the other hand, is a site of destruction surrounded by trinket-peddlers, food stalls, and cheap bars.

And yet the nationalist cult hankers to place a halo of sanctity around the site. The cultists do not complain about the seedy environs and they do not care about first-responders who forfeited their health to rescue the victims. But the idea of Ground Zero serves as a fountainhead — one which allows the nationalist faithful to soak in vengeful anger against Muslims and fulminate for more war — and is thus "sacred" to the war project.

Deep irrationality and false sanctity are not the only characteristics of a cult. Belief in the infallibility of specious leaders is also a marker. In the case of American nationalism, it is the most striking one.

In the hazy, distant past — that is to say, seven years ago — the high priests of the Iraq War promised that Iraqis would warmly embrace us. Neoconservative soothsayers prophesied that Iraq would be just the first of many Muslim countries to fall under America’s awesome sway.

The catastrophic result of the invasion was matched only by the willful ignorance of its proponents. None knew or cared to know about Arab or Muslim sentiment, the differences between Sunnis and Shiites, or the role of Israeli loyalists in pushing for war against one of Israel’s most hated enemies.

And now, as we receive official blessings to "turn the page" on the war, the leaders of the war cult are not humbled but brazen. They have not only escaped punishment but attained a platform to pine for a repeat performance.

Witness the spectacle of Bush loyalists begrudging Obama for not "crediting" Bush with the surge; the men demand gratitude for slowing the bleeding they themselves caused by carving wounds into Iraq’s flesh. Witness the gaggle of Israel-friendly figures peddling war against Iran; they are led by former Israeli soldier Jeffrey Goldberg, who once admonished "people with limited experience" for reaching the "naive conclusion that an invasion of Iraq will cause America to be loathed in the Middle East."

Such is the backdrop of the anti-Islam movement in America. Learning from past mistakes, filling gaps of ignorance, and engaging with Muslims might produce the dreaded result of peace, so disciples of the nationalist cult fan the flames of hatred at the altar of endless, winless war.

It is tempting to believe that this cult is limited to conservatives, but some liberals are also devotees. A writer at American Prospect recently inveighed against a new book that dared to compare American conservatives to Islamic extremists, intoning that there is no "excuse" for the "obscenity of comparing our political opponents to killers and terrorists." As Glenn Greenwald reminds us, the comparison "is true by definition": those who attacked Iraq are responsible for ruining and ending the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians. The nationalist, however, always places the nation "beyond good and evil" and "the smallest slur upon his own unit…fills him with uneasiness which he can relieve only by making some sharp retort," as Orwell observed.

It is also tempting to believe that our nationalism-gone-amok is a new phenomenon, but America’s militarist and messianic strains go back to its early days. As the scholar Eric Foner noted in his 2001 address to the American Historical Association, "The nation’s rapid territorial growth was widely viewed as evidence of the innate superiority of a mythical construct known as the ‘Anglo-Saxon race,’ whose special qualities made it uniquely suited to bring freedom and prosperity to the continent and the world."

There are, of course, other, more noble impulses evinced in American history: justice, prudence, and pragmatism. These are the attributes that must resurface if America is to wean itself from its violent political philosophy and become a peace-loving country.

http://original.antiwar.com/levesque...powerful-cult/
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ابن آل مرة
09-09-2010, 11:38 PM
Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
sob7an Allah, are we playing along that Muslims were behind '911'? it is the most elaborate american hoax since the bay of pigs, I must applaud their success with it, but surely the truth will come out sooner or later and there will be hell to pay then as they have managed to wreak so much havoc on other nations in the process and breed the most hateful turds in history toward Muslims!
tell me about it, it is sad when muslims get all excited and start pointing fingers to other muslims and blaming them for 9/11 crap. One should watch this documentary, its called "Secrets of CIA" it talks about secretive operations done by CIA since 1960s and how they blame the bombings and other attacks on rebels and other tribes. Also I heard some Cali masjids decided to cancel Eid celebrations if Eid was to fall on 9/11 just because they think its not appropriate.
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Bintulislam
09-10-2010, 12:12 AM
Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
It is amazing to me that they'd fire that alleged Dr. Laura, and Larry king is giving her lessons of why racial slurs are offensive, no where in his list of 'Jews, blacks, gays, Hispanics' did he make mention of Muslims and it is quite clear a joke/slur about any group will not be tolerated, but everything against Muslims is tolerated and encouraged ... I don't even watch the news anymore, although today I read another delightful piece on Al-Jazeera.. entitled Afghanistan the death of empires and reputations and sob7an Allah, for centuries no one could subjugate the afghans.. I am so very proud of them, may Allah swt make them triumphant forever against their enemies.. No one seems to aid any Muslims, especially not other Muslims, let's have a look at Pakistan and Palestine, were it a disaster to any western nation, the despots of the Arab world would be spending money on donations and aid.. but Muslim life comes so cheap these days..

S/he who has God in their heart has everything.. so let the rest keep their weaponry, soldiery and money, may it drag them straight to hell insha'Allah..

:w:
Assalamu-Alaikum!!

Things in Pakistan are messed up.Majority of the aid promised by many countries haven't been given to the Govt. yet,however the largest amount of money offered to us has been from Saudi Arabia though no one including them has even sent the half of the promised aid.People are dying becoz of shortage of medicines and they're the common antibiotics and paracetamols.They are suffering from water borne diseases as they have to depend over that stagnant flood water near their camps becoz of lack of clean drinking water.Horrible,horrible skin diseases and eye infections can be also seen.We see people in flood affected areas fighting over food,people who are left with absolutely nothing with even missing one or two of their family members awaiting our help.
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truth finder
09-10-2010, 02:17 AM
Hi readers

While praying sometime ago, the Holy Spirit in my heart urged me to help Pakistan people as our fellow human beings and I did it out of joy and thanks for the grace of God I have received. I wish this small donation ($xxx) would be at least some help to those who have lost loved ones and homes.
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جوري
09-10-2010, 02:34 AM
Originally Posted by truth finder
Hi readers

While praying sometime ago, the Holy Spirit in my heart urged me to help Pakistan people as our fellow human beings and I did it out of joy and thanks for the grace of God I have received. I wish this small donation ($xxx) would be at least some help to those who have lost loved ones and homes.
إِنْ تُبْدُوا الصَّدَقَاتِ فَنِعِمَّا هِيَ ۖ وَإِنْ تُخْفُوهَا وَتُؤْتُوهَا الْفُقَرَاءَ فَهُوَ خَيْرٌ لَكُمْ ۚ وَيُكَفِّرُ عَنْكُمْ مِنْ سَيِّئَاتِكُمْ ۗ وَاللَّهُ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرٌ {271}
[Pickthal 2:271] If ye publish your almsgiving, it is well, but if ye hide it and give it to the poor, it will be better for you, and will atone for some of your ill-deeds. Allah is Informed of what ye do.
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Grace Seeker
09-10-2010, 02:47 PM
Originally Posted by Ahmed M.
tell me about it, it is sad when muslims get all excited and start pointing fingers to other muslims and blaming them for 9/11 crap. One should watch this documentary, its called "Secrets of CIA" it talks about secretive operations done by CIA since 1960s and how they blame the bombings and other attacks on rebels and other tribes.

This is a sad old saw. Al-Qeda has never denied their involvement with the 9/11 attacks. And Bin Laden, himself, has gone so far as to actually brag about it.

Now, in my opinion those people don't represent Islam. So, one could repudiate these terrorists who claim to act in the name of Allah as not being true followers of Islam; that would be a reason for saying that Muslims didn't participate in the 9/11 bombings. Your suggestings are, however, ridiculous.
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جوري
09-10-2010, 11:43 PM
is it more ridiculous than this?



you really are a hoot, like your govt.!

all the best
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Darth Ultor
09-14-2010, 12:52 AM
You want to know what really makes me angry? There is a bloody strip club even closer to the WTC site. DO YOU SEE THE HYPOCRISY OF THESE PEOPLE? A STRIP CLUB IS A-OKAY BUT NOT A RELIGIOUS CENTER? God have mercy...there's absolutely no hope for humanity.
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