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Vigno
08-27-2010, 01:59 PM
Asalamu Alekum

Just wanted to refer to something that annoys me a lot.
You know many people love their country so much (that's not bad) and are ready to die for their country but when it comes to Islam, they are not ready to even tell a person insulting it, "dont do so".
I find this a pity. Subhanah Allah. What is more important? They think that their country brought them but it is Allah subhanah wa Taalah who brought them up and their country was only a reason.
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imam bukhari
09-01-2010, 08:20 PM
Assalaamu 'alaykum,

there is a hadeeth which says that "to love ones hometown is a part of faith."

this is however unauthentic...

mayb ppl r comming form that angle?

Allaahu 'alam... just saying
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Ramadhan
09-02-2010, 04:10 AM
Originally Posted by imam bukhari
Assalaamu 'alaykum,

there is a hadeeth which says that "to love ones hometown is a part of faith."

this is however unauthentic...

mayb ppl r comming form that angle?

Allaahu 'alam... just saying

I agree with this.
I remember I heard/read this "hadith" cited many times in schools, to build up our "nasionalisme dan patriotisme" (nationalism and patriotism).

This topic is especially very hot these days in Indonesia as there is increasing negative sentiment against Malaysia (for reasons too pathetic and baffling to explain). I find this trend very pathetic and stupid.
The very same (muslim) people who are ready to die for indonesia for some silly reasons would never in a million years react to defend Islam and prophet Muhammad SAW.
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'Abd Al-Maajid
09-02-2010, 04:21 AM
Wait...'to love ones hometown is a part of faith'? Even if that state/hometown/country is democratic or secular or a kuffar country? I don't think so because the only rule one should appreciate is The Caliphate. I don't love this democratic country especially when they do not stop these illegal occupations...

First, I am a Human Being
Second, I am a Muslim
There is no third.

I remember, in a Hindi movie, a man said, "First I am an Indian and after that I am a Muslim". Funny innit? ;D;D;D

Here people are not concerned about the occupations in Kasmir, Palestine and most of them don't know even about Chechnya and Bosnia :( This media and film industry has corrupted their minds and instilled their rotten philosophy. They only think that India will be a super power one day ;D;D;D;D;D They keep forgetting about the Ghazwatul Hind ;D
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Maryan0
09-02-2010, 05:04 AM
I think there is a difference between being proud of where you're from and thinking you're better than someone else based on where you're from. I am what I am and I am proud of what I am but I wouldnt die or kill for nationalism neither do I think i'm better than anyone else because of my background. I think it's only natural to have a connection to your homeland but we should remember that we are muslim first and everything else comes after that.
Salam
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abdussattar
09-02-2010, 06:01 AM
Originally Posted by abdulmājid
Ghazwatul Hind
Ghazwatul Hind?? what is that?
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'Abd Al-Maajid
09-02-2010, 09:37 AM
Originally Posted by abdussattar
Ghazwatul Hind?? what is that?
Ghazwatul Hind, Occupation Of India by the Mujahedeens from KHorasan!!!!!! ;D
The Prophet said, "Two groups of my Ummah Allah has protected from the hellfire: a group that will conquer India and a group that will be with 'Eessa bin Maryam - " (Ahmad, an-Nisa'i, and at-Tabarani.)

more at http://ghazwathulhind.blogspot.com/
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'Aleena
09-02-2010, 09:58 AM
If i had to choose between Islam and my country i wud choose Islam but that wont stop me from loving my country...
I live in a city prone to terror attacks but have never faced any discrimination. The Non Muslims here are unprejudiced against Islam. I didnt even had to explain to my Non Muslim friends/people with whom i have to interact, after 26/11 that Islam does not promote terrorism, they were sensible enough to know this. So i see no reason why I should hate my democratic country:)
( but i detest the politicians:raging:)
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'Abd Al-Maajid
09-02-2010, 10:09 AM
Originally Posted by k.aleena
So i see no reason why I should hate my democratic country
What makes you think that Democracy is THE RIGHT type of government? It was the form of government which was used by Britishers to Abolish the Caliphate.

Originally Posted by k.aleena
...loving my country...
Okay but I want to give my thoughts here...I apologize in advance...as it is going to be hard for you to digest.

Hmph! This country has done nothing good for me and can never expect my love towards her. How can you forget occupation of Kashmir, massacre in Mumbai, Gujrat, Hyderabad...THIS DEMOCRATIC government and politicians don't take necessary steps to prevent this or bring justice to the oppressed ones.

Edit: Also I can never forget the demolition of Babri Masjid and annihilation of innocent Muslims....:'(
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'Aleena
09-02-2010, 10:19 AM
Originally Posted by abdulmājid
Ghazwatul Hind, Occupation Of India by the Mujahedeens from KHorasan!!!!!!
The Prophet said, "Two groups of my Ummah Allah has protected from the hellfire: a group that will conquer India and a group that will be with 'Eessa bin Maryam - " (Ahmad, an-Nisa'i, and at-Tabarani.)
Is it authentic? It does not have a mention in Sihah-e-Sitta, the six books considered most reliable by main-stream Muslims.
IT is said that Islamists and right-wing-military-apologists have fallen to the propaganda of Pakistan Army and ISI when they propagate waging a war against the neighboring country India, finding excuses for doing so through hadees. Zaid Hamid, the mouth-piece of ISI and Pakistan Army has been making use of Ghazwa-tul-Hind (6 hadees in total) to justify his actions against India...
Brother I may be wrong but one should not promote an idea or movement by referring to disputed or unauthentic hadeeth.
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'Abd Al-Maajid
09-02-2010, 10:28 AM
^ First of all Pakistan is not an Islamic country, their army is not an Islamic one. (I remember someone said in media that 'Pakistan Ialam ka thekedar nahin hai).

The hadeeth is classed as saheeh and authentic and it is the army from Khorasan not current Pakistan.
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'Aleena
09-02-2010, 10:31 AM
I mentioned i detest the politicians. You may be aware that all the riots were politically motivated. Remember the human chain( by non muslims) that protected many muslims... Brother you are right but that wont make me wrong... and yeah lets just stop here. we are goin off topic :offtopic:
wallaikum salam brother:)
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aadil77
09-02-2010, 12:07 PM
Originally Posted by Vigno
Asalamu Alekum

Just wanted to refer to something that annoys me a lot.
You know many people love their country so much (that's not bad) and are ready to die for their country but when it comes to Islam, they are not ready to even tell a person insulting it, "dont do so".
I find this a pity. Subhanah Allah. What is more important? They think that their country brought them but it is Allah subhanah wa Taalah who brought them up and their country was only a reason.
Nationalistic muslims are the most jaahil of this earth, these same people are the reason the khilafah broke up, the reason the muslim world is in a mess right now - because their loyalties are not to Al-Islam rather their 'democratic' leaders

In islam there is no motherland we have to be loyal to, we should be proud that islam unifies muslims from all over the world into one nation - not people of different lands and ethnicities,

this life on earth is temporary, we are supposed to live here like we are travellers, muslims who have a sense of belonging to this world have serious issues on their hands - Allah may place the love of dunya in their hearts instead of the love of deen - then you're screwed
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Rhubarb Tart
09-02-2010, 12:11 PM
Originally Posted by Lisa0
I think there is a difference between being proud of where you're from and thinking you're better than someone else based on where you're from. I am what I am and I am proud of what I am but I wouldnt die or kill for nationalism neither do I think i'm better than anyone else because of my background. I think it's only natural to have a connection to your homeland but we should remember that we are muslim first and everything else comes after that.
Salam
:wa:

Agreed!
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Rhubarb Tart
09-02-2010, 12:19 PM
Nationalism is the same reason why Muslims wont let their daughter or sons marry someone from another race who is a Muslim. Let face it even those who in live in a Muslim land would rather die than let their daughter or son marry a black person (or anyone with darker skin tone) but wouldn't mind if they are white. This is not exclusive to those in the west.


Saudis have more rights than someone from different race who was born there (not that should matter as the same rule does apply to people who have stayed there for years).

Oh has anyone seen how Somalis refugees (possible other Africans too) are treated in Yemen? I watched it on Aljazeera.

Nice
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Cabdullahi
09-02-2010, 12:38 PM
Originally Posted by sweet106
Nationalism is the same reason why Muslims wont let their daughter or sons marry someone from another race who is a Muslim. Let face it even those who in live in a Muslim land would rather die than let their daughter or son marry a black person (or anyone with darker skin tone) but wouldn't mind if they are white. This is not exclusive to those in the west.


Saudis have more rights than someone from different race who was born there (not that should matter as the same rule does apply to people who have stayed there for years).

Oh has anyone seen how Somalis refugees (possible other Africans too) are treated in Yemen? I watched it on Aljazeera.

Nice
Agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Can i find the video on youtube??
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'Aleena
09-02-2010, 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by aadil77
Nationalistic muslims are the most jaahil of this earth, these same people are the reason the khilafah broke up, the reason the muslim world is in a mess right now - because their loyalties are not to Al-Islam rather their 'democratic' leaders

In islam there is no motherland we have to be loyal to, we should be proud that islam unifies muslims from all over the world into one nation - not people of different lands and ethnicities,

this life on earth is temporary, we are supposed to live here like we are travellers, muslims who have a sense of belonging to this world have serious issues on their hands - Allah may place the love of dunya in their hearts instead of the love of deen - then you're screwed
You make sense:statisfie Thank u for the reminder:)
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ardianto
09-02-2010, 03:43 PM
Originally Posted by abdulmājid
Wait...'to love ones hometown is a part of faith'?
Yes .... !. Love OUR hometown is a part of faith.

Bro, hometown means our land and people who live on it. This is different than meaning of country as government, national ideology, and political system.
Fight for defend our hometown from aggressor who want to invade it, can be considered as jihad. This is different than fight for defend govt who start a war causes by political reason.
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'Aleena
09-03-2010, 10:41 AM
Originally Posted by ardianto
Yes .... !. Love OUR hometown is a part of faith.

Bro, hometown means our land and people who live on it. This is different than meaning of country as government, national ideology, and political system.
Fight for defend our hometown from aggressor who want to invade it, can be considered as jihad. This is different than fight for defend govt who start a war causes by political reason.
Thank you brother:)
After reading some of the posts i was beginning to feel that itz a sin to luv the place where u r born unless its an Islamic country.
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aadil77
09-03-2010, 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by k.aleena
Thank you brother:)
After reading some of the posts i was beginning to feel that itz a sin to luv the place where u r born unless its an Islamic country.
no thats incorrect, we muslims always end up takin one of the extremes as our views, theres no sin to love the place where you're born, the sin is give your loyalties to unislamic rulers of the land rather than Allah and then identify yourself with your birthplace rather than your deen
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
09-03-2010, 08:15 PM
Aslaamu`Alaaykum

I dunno weather to love the place or hate it the place where my parents were born in :-\


Pride is what most people have these days! disgraceful it is
:-\
May Allaah grant peace in the world we are living in today and take them away from arrogantness and pride Ameen

Wa`Alaaykum Salaam
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أحمد
09-03-2010, 08:27 PM
:sl:

Love the Creator more than what is created.

This is why those who have no faith in the creator are left with only love of materialism.

:wa:
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
09-03-2010, 08:34 PM
^Agreed. . . . . . . . .
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Vigno
09-13-2010, 04:20 AM
Originally Posted by sweet106
Nationalism is the same reason why Muslims wont let their daughter or sons marry someone from another race who is a Muslim. Let face it even those who in live in a Muslim land would rather die than let their daughter or son marry a black person (or anyone with darker skin tone) but wouldn't mind if they are white. This is not exclusive to those in the west.


Saudis have more rights than someone from different race who was born there (not that should matter as the same rule does apply to people who have stayed there for years).

Oh has anyone seen how Somalis refugees (possible other Africans too) are treated in Yemen? I watched it on Aljazeera.

Nice
Quite true, I think racism would be the right word for that, its very common every where now, a very pious muslim would be refused just for his color or whatever, and one who is not pious at all but has a lot of money would be received with open hands.

Shame on you muslims, thats all I can say, just shame on you

Muslims need to rediscover what becoming a muslim means before walking around and dirtying the beautiful picture that Islam actually has.
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Woodrow
09-13-2010, 05:56 AM
Just my opinion I see love of a person's homeland as loving the land Allaah(swt) created and not the same as loving the Government. I love the Beauty of America and am in awe at what Allaah(swt) has created, but I have no use for the Wasichu government that currently thinks it rules America. America has survived many governments and many more will come and go. But no government is the land and the land is what I find beauty in. Allaah(swt) has shown a touch of his handwork in the beauty of the Mountains, the vast plains and the many thousands of lakes along with wonders such as the Grand Canyon, the Painted Desert, the glaciers of Alaska, the land of 1000 smokes, today called Yellowstone. Yes, their is a vast array of Allaah(swt)'s handiwork to view in awe upon Turtle Island (America). The government may be ugly, but the ugliness can not hide the wonder of what Allaah(swt) has created. I love this land even though I have no use for most of the politicians.
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Tyrion
09-13-2010, 09:26 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
Just my opinion I see love of a person's homeland as loving the land Allaah(swt) created and not the same as loving the Government. I love the Beauty of America and am in awe at what Allaah(swt) has created, but I have no use for the Wasichu government that currently thinks it rules America. America has survived many governments and many more will come and go. But no government is the land and the land is what I find beauty in. Allaah(swt) has shown a touch of his handwork in the beauty of the Mountains, the vast plains and the many thousands of lakes along with wonders such as the Grand Canyon, the Painted Desert, the glaciers of Alaska, the land of 1000 smokes, today called Yellowstone. Yes, their is a vast array of Allaah(swt)'s handiwork to view in awe upon Turtle Island (America). The government may be ugly, but the ugliness can not hide the wonder of what Allaah(swt) has created. I love this land even though I have no use for most of the politicians.
I can't remember the last time I thought of America (or any other country for that matter) like that. We've grown so accustomed to viewing these countries for their politics that it almost sounds strange to start talking about them as the beautiful pieces of land they are. :p
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aadil77
09-13-2010, 11:06 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
Just my opinion I see love of a person's homeland as loving the land Allaah(swt) created and not the same as loving the Government. I love the Beauty of America and am in awe at what Allaah(swt) has created, but I have no use for the Wasichu government that currently thinks it rules America. America has survived many governments and many more will come and go. But no government is the land and the land is what I find beauty in. Allaah(swt) has shown a touch of his handwork in the beauty of the Mountains, the vast plains and the many thousands of lakes along with wonders such as the Grand Canyon, the Painted Desert, the glaciers of Alaska, the land of 1000 smokes, today called Yellowstone. Yes, their is a vast array of Allaah(swt)'s handiwork to view in awe upon Turtle Island (America). The government may be ugly, but the ugliness can not hide the wonder of what Allaah(swt) has created. I love this land even though I have no use for most of the politicians.
Bro Woodrow, you have got me temptated :p, theres so many amazing places in america I'd like to see - places you just don't find anywhere else - Yellowstone park is one of them. Allah has made those lands very beautiful, but the people ruling that area the ugliest in the world.
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Woodrow
09-13-2010, 12:44 PM
Each and every land has a unique beauty of it's own. I have yet to find any country I did not find much to love about it. Remove the man-made junk and look only at the wonder of what Allaah(swt) has created. Us Humans are very Pathetic creatures. We can hate a people so much we are willing to destroy the beauty of the land to conquer the people. Living among the Lakotah I have a renewed freshness about looking at each square inch of this beautiful planet we live on as a wonderful gift for all of mankind. We are fools to think we are owners of the land. Allaah(swt) has allowed us to be caretakers of this land and often we fail at this role. Look at the beauty found in any country and think of what a horrible sin it must be to destroy that beauty for the stupid goal of destroying people we think of as enemies.

The Oglala Sioux of Pine Ridge are among the most poverty stricken people on earth, yet they live on one of the largest gold deposits on earth. They will fight to the death to prevent any mining of the gold as doing so would destroy the beauty Allaah(swt) has given to be shared with all people. The Oglala have chosen poverty rather than destroy the Black Hills to dig up a worthless yellow metal to make jewelry for rich greedy spinsters and gold coins for misers.

If people could learn to love the land they live on and remember they have the task of being caretakers of the marvelous things Allaah(swt) has created, not owners and rulers of these gifts, perhaps it would be more difficult for us to be destroyers and conquerors. How ugly we often make the land become when we see human construction and progress as being greater than what Allaah(swt) has given for all people to share.

I say love our homelands, but love them as reflections of the wonder of Allaah(swt) and signs of his unlimited power. We hand the land over to Shaytan and cease to be protectors and caretakers, when we think we own the land and exploit it for human greed and pomposity. Yes, we can and should love our homelands, but love them and share them do not grasp them as selfish possessions and remember we have a duty to protect all land from being defiled by our human pride, and greed..
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