"Suspicious" packages from Yemen found in UK, and Dubai

[shuraimfan4lyf]

Yemen terror alert: Obama says explosives found

President Barack Obama has said initial examinations of two suspicious packages bound for the US show they appeared to have contained explosive materials.

He said the packages, found in the UK and Dubai on two overnight cargo planes from Yemen, were destined for Jewish places of worship in Chicago.

Security alerts are under way in the US, UK and Middle East.

The White House later said Saudi Arabia had provided information that helped identify the threat.

The two packages found in Britain's East Midlands airport and in Dubai have now been made inert, US officials say.

UK Home Secretary Theresa May later said that the device found in Britain "did contain explosive material".
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"But it is not yet clear that it was a viable explosive device. The forensic work continues," she added.

The security alert saw two other cargo planes owned by the freight company UPS searched in Newark and Philadelphia.

UPS said it had suspended its shipments out of Yemen.

Another suspect package from Yemen was examined on a delivery lorry in New York, and later declared safe.

In other developments:

* New aviation security measures are being taken in light of the alert, the US Homeland Security Department announces
* The US says that if a terror link is confirmed, the main suspects will be al-Qaeda's branch in Yemen - al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
* US fighter jets escorted Emirates flight 201 from Dubai into New York, with officials saying the action was being taken "out of an abundance of caution" because cargo from Yemen was on board
* Cobra, the UK government's emergency planning committee, met on Friday and was to meet again on Saturday as discussions continue about how to tighten UK security further

Saudis thanked

Mr Obama said the discovery represented a credible terrorist threat against the US.
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Analysis
Gordon Corera Security correspondent, BBC News

Yemen has risen rapidly towards the top of the list of countries of concern for Western counter-terrorism officials in the past year. The group al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula - which has found a sanctuary in Yemen's ungoverned spaces - has shown increasing ambition and sophistication in its attempts to target the United States and others.

But while the origin of this plot seems clear, its exact form does not. The presence of explosives in the devices suggests this was no dry run or simply an attempt to cause panic through a hoax.

But forensic experts in the UK have been continuing to study the substances found in the parts for a printer to try to understand exactly what they were and how they were to be used. There appears to be a strong conviction these were parts for a bomb but whether they were complete and how they were to be detonated and against which target remains uncertain.

"Although we are still pursuing all the facts, we do know that the packages originated in Yemen," he told a White House press conference.

"We also know that al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula - a terrorist group based in Yemen - continues to plan attacks against our homeland, our citizens and our friends and allies."

Mr Obama said he was first informed about the packages late on Thursday and that President Ali Abdallah Saleh of Yemen had pledged his country's full support in investigating the threat.

However, the Yemeni government later expressed astonishment at reports linking the country to the two packages, according to the Associated Press news agency.

It quoted a Yemeni statement as saying that no UPS cargo planes had taken off from Yemen and there had been no direct or indirect flights to British or US airports.

Mr Obama said the US would continue to work to destroy al-Qaeda and its affiliates, and to root out violent extremism in all its forms.

US Homeland Security adviser John Brennan thanked the Saudi Arabians for their help.

"Their assistance, along with the hard work of the US counter-terrorism community, the United Kingdom, the UAE, and other friends and partners helped make it possible to increase our vigilance and identify the suspicious packages," he said.
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Al-Qaeda and Jewish targets

* April 2002: Suicide bombing at synagogue in Djerba, Tunisia kills 19. Al-Qaeda claims the attack
* Nov 2002: 16 people killed in suicide bombing al-Qaeda claims to have carried out of Israeli-owned hotel in Mombasa, Kenya
* May 2003: 45 killed in bomb attacks in Casablanca, Morocco, on targets including Jewish cultural centre. Group linked to al-Qaeda blamed.
* Nov 2003: Two synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, bombed, killing 23. Al-Qaeda claims responsibility
* Oct 2005: Germany sentences four Arab men accused of links to al-Qaeda of planning attacks on Jewish targets

* In pictures: Air cargo alert

A spokeswoman for the Jewish Federation in Chicago said the community had been warned to be on the alert in the wake of the discoveries.

"We were notified this morning that synagogues should be on the alert," the spokeswoman, Linda Haase, told Reuters news agency. "We are taking appropriate precautions and are advising local synagogues to do likewise."

The suspicious package in the UK was reportedly an ink toner cartridge that had been modified.

US officials told Associated Press they believed the Dubai and East Midlands packages contained the same explosive used in the failed bombing of a US-bound airliner last Christmas Day.

It quoted the officials as saying that full testing had not been completed but initial indications were that the packages contained PETN, a chemical that was also a component of shoe bomber Richard Reid's explosive in 2001.

The cargo planes in the US were taken to remote locations to be searched.

"Out of an abundance of caution the planes were moved to a remote location where they are being met by law enforcement officials," said the Transportation Security Administration.

Emergency services were called to the UK airport in Donington, Leicestershire, overnight and evacuated a distribution centre, while the suspicious package was examined.

US security services remain on a high level of vigilance in the wake of the attempted Times Square bombing in May and the alleged attempted Christmas Day attack.

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[siam]

the U.S. thanked Saudi for their help? --sure, probably because there are said to be oil fields under the ground between the Yemen-Saudi border that the 2 countries (U.S. and Saudi) are probably itching to exploit.
AQ was a convenient excuse to start a fight---there were no bombs out of Yemen before the U.S. invaded Yemen looking for an AQ criminal.
To know more about the connection between U.S. foreign policy and terrorism (suicide terrorism in particular) look into Robert Pape work.

[Woodrow]

Is it just me or is something odd about this story?

I suspect there are groups in the USA and the UK that would like to blow up synagogues. I admit some of those groups may even call themselves al-Qaeda and even may actually be al-Qaeda (If al-Qaeda really exists)

But this scenario requires that someplace in Yemen a conversation sort of like this took place.

"Let's blow up some synagogues in the USA and the UK"

"Good idea, we will get our operatives there to do it"

"good, let's send them some explosive PETNA through UPS right away"

"Why send it to them, they can get it locally"

"We will send it to them because we are Yemeni and not smart enough to do it that way"

"Where do we get the PETNA from?"

"We smuggle it in from the USA"

"OK, pack up the PETNA, we just smuggled in from the USA, to them"

[shuraimfan4lyf]

I wouldnt be surprised if this is one of CIA's scare tactics. They have done many operations in the past that were blamed on someone else.

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[titus]

So now we have the US, Yemen and Saudi Arabia in a conspiracy together to frame these people?

(If al-Qaeda really exists)

Make that dozens of countries around the world involved in what has to be the biggest conspiracy ever. Are there any governments that deny the existence of al-Qaeda? Or is statement meant as hyperbole?

If not it is a great example of Muslim paranoia and denial.

[Dagless]

So now we have the US, Yemen and Saudi Arabia in a conspiracy together to frame these people?



Make that dozens of countries around the world involved in what has to be the biggest conspiracy ever. Are there any governments that deny the existence of al-Qaeda? Or is statement meant as hyperbole?

The CIA and FBI engineer situations to meet the objective of terrorism. A week or so ago some poor men were imprisoned after the FBI paid them to carry out a terror plot which they themselves planned. When the men agreed; they were arrested. A perfect set up. This is why whenever these plots are uncovered its hard not to look closer to home.
Al Qaeda may well exist but you can guarantee that any Muslim involved in anything against the government will be reported to "have links with Al Qaeda". I very much doubt Al Qaeda is the all it's made out to be.

If not it is a great example of Muslim paranoia and denial.

Crazy prejudiced generalization.

[Woodrow]

So now we have the US, Yemen and Saudi Arabia in a conspiracy together to frame these people?



Make that dozens of countries around the world involved in what has to be the biggest conspiracy ever. Are there any governments that deny the existence of al-Qaeda? Or is statement meant as hyperbole?

If not it is a great example of Muslim paranoia and denial.

It was intended to be a touch of sarcastic thinking. so I guess it can be called-hyperbole. It does not make sense to me that al-Qaeda would risk sending explosives from Yemen when they have cells in the USA,UK elsewhere and the explosives or another type can be procured in the USA and the UK.

[titus]

Crazy prejudiced generalization.

No. I can look at the title of most threads (such as this one) and tell you before I look that multiple Muslim posters will claim that the story is false and that America/Israel is really behind it. Do you deny this?

Many Muslims are taught to make denial their first reaction when hearing about anything negative done by Muslims, and to immediately find a way to place the blame on the two biggest bogeymen in the world - USA and Israel. They are taught that Muslims do no wrong, and that when they do it is because some evil American or Jew tricked them into it.

If my comment was a crazy prejudiced generalization then you would not see such conspiracy theories on just about every single thread involving bombings or other terrorist acts.

[Woodrow]

No. I can look at the title of most threads (such as this one) and tell you before I look that multiple Muslim posters will claim that the story is false and that America/Israel is really behind it. Do you deny this?

Many Muslims are taught to make denial their first reaction when hearing about anything negative done by Muslims, and to immediately find a way to place the blame on the two biggest bogeymen in the world - USA and Israel. They are taught that Muslims do no wrong, and that when they do it is because some evil American or Jew tricked them into it.

If my comment was a crazy prejudiced generalization then you would not see such conspiracy theories on just about every single thread involving bombings or other terrorist acts.

It is very understandable that you believe that to be true and what you say does happen quite often. The reason we do act that way is because many of us really do question the origin of al-Qaeda and who actually is running it. It seems there are al-qaeda cells all over the place and the local governments are very much aware of them and who belongs to each one. It is not from doubting that a Muslim is capable of wrong, we do have many questions about just who is behind al-Qaeda.

[Dagless]

No. I can look at the title of most threads (such as this one) and tell you before I look that multiple Muslim posters will claim that the story is false and that America/Israel is really behind it. Do you deny this?

That doesn't justify the quote. SOME Muslims may well question it, others may agree. What if someone who was African disagreed with me and I said "great example of black paranoia and denial"? Don't you see how racist that sounds? Being Muslim (or black as in my example) does not make it typical to act a certain way (which is not directly related to being Muslim), especially when the words used (paranoia and denial) have nothing to do with being Muslim (or black).

Many Muslims are taught to make denial their first reaction when hearing about anything negative done by Muslims, and to immediately find a way to place the blame on the two biggest bogeymen in the world - USA and Israel. They are taught that Muslims do no wrong, and that when they do it is because some evil American or Jew tricked them into it.

If my comment was a crazy prejudiced generalization then you would not see such conspiracy theories on just about every single thread involving bombings or other terrorist acts.

Nothing I said was a conspiracy theory. Why not watch the news sometime? The FBI DID plan and fund an attack in the US (deliberately targeting those who were down on their luck) only to arrest those they were paying. That is trickery as far as I'm concerned (not to mention illegal in most countries).

Israel DOES occupy Palestinian land and deny Palestinians of their basic human rights making their lives hell. America DOES fund Israel (and many other evil regimes) in order to cause instability and maintain a level of control. Doesn't sound like imaginary boogeymen now does it.

[Rabi Mansur]

It was intended to be a touch of sarcastic thinking. so I guess it can be called-hyperbole. It does not make sense to me that al-Qaeda would risk sending explosives from Yemen when they have cells in the USA,UK elsewhere and the explosives or another type can be procured in the USA and the UK.

:sl:

The latest information that I heard on this is that the goal was to have them explode while in flight. Hence they sent the explosives from Yemen.
The Saudis passed along a tip from a former insider to Al Qaeda who has grown weary of the stupidity of terrorism. I can't remember his name but he was a prisoner down in Guantanamo and was released a little while ago and had returned to Saudi Arabia.

[Woodrow]

:sl:

The latest information that I heard on this is that the goal was to have them explode while in flight. Hence they sent the explosives from Yemen.
The Saudis passed along a tip from a former insider to Al Qaeda who has grown weary of the stupidity of terrorism. I can't remember his name but he was a prisoner down in Guantanamo and was released a little while ago and had returned to Saudi Arabia.

If so why was PETN used as the explosive? while it is a very powerful explosive it needs to be mixed with another chemical shortly before being detonated pure PETN will not explode by itself this makes it a poor choice for a timed explosion.

[Rabi Mansur]

If so why was PETN used as the explosive? while it is a very powerful explosive it needs to be mixed with another chemical shortly before being detonated pure PETN will not explode by itself this makes it a poor choice for a timed explosion.

I'm copying this quote from the IndiaTimes:

The latest devices appear to have relied on electronic triggering mechanisms, rather than on chemical reactions. The bombs "didn't require any additional components or didn't require anybody to go in and sort of manually press a syringe or something else."

[Maryan0]

Nothing I said was a conspiracy theory. Why not watch the news sometime? The FBI DID plan and fund an attack in the US (deliberately targeting those who were down on their luck) only to arrest those they were paying. That is trickery as far as I'm concerned (not to mention illegal in most countries).

This reminds me of when British soldiers were caught dressed up as Iraqis and were shooting Iraqi police in the city of Basra. Trickery indeed.
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Salam

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

There is without a doubt countries and organizations playing on the fear and distrust of the Muslim Community and will push the conspiracy theories to keep the attention away from the curruption of the governments and the lack of taking care of the people. Doesn't require anyone to visit these countries that Muslims are fleeing from. The deplorable conditions are a mouse click away in real time.

There is no need to rely upon second hand reporting. The satellite will provide a view.

http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/

If someone hates and distrusts a country or a people they should never take resources and assistance from them for the leaders to purchase villas and property that was meet for the people. A fact that may be denied but for decades unavoidable.

[titus]

That doesn't justify the quote. SOME Muslims may well question it, others may agree. What if someone who was African disagreed with me and I said "great example of black paranoia and denial"? Don't you see how racist that sounds? Being Muslim (or black as in my example) does not make it typical to act a certain way (which is not directly related to being Muslim), especially when the words used (paranoia and denial) have nothing to do with being Muslim (or black).

You are correct to a certain extent, although your analogy is flawed. I do not make my comment from the one Muslim who I have seen this from, but from many. My intent was not to paint all Muslims under this brush. The number of Muslims who do fit, though, is significant. At least from those Muslims that post on any forums I have ever visited and this forum is certainly no exception.

Nothing I said was a conspiracy theory. Why not watch the news sometime?

I don't disagree that operations like that have taken place. My problem is with those that use that fact to assume that every act blamed on Muslims is such an operation. That is when it becomes a conspiracy theory. Those Muslims can then claim that even attacks by Muslims are really attacks on Muslims. It is a mindset of perpetual victimhood and denial of reality.

[brotherubaid]

Well all i would like to say is , Al qaida does exist, its time to come out of denial , and make upi all sort of stories when ever a calamity strikes, wether the target is muslims or non muslims, Islam in no way permits such killing, N do those who plan n carry out such bombing really care who the victim is?

If muslims will not stand upu to counter these VERY Unislamic ideologies now then God help us!

Please stop saying Al qaida does not exist and its all conspiracy and theories n all, yes there might be some crime scarried out disguised as being by al qaida , but that does not prove that there isnt al al qaidad , So lets not go to either Extremes , 1- There is no al qaida 2- Every thing is blamed on alqaida, even though a lot IS and should be blamed on al qaida, even if they are not directly involved, they have incited this ideology and hate and these murderous thoughts thorugh out the Ignorant Muslim youth who fall victim to them.

Its tiem we stand up for the sake of each and every human life that is at danger, that could get ended by such murderous thugs who have got NO KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER OF THE RELIGION nor do they have knowledge of so called jihaad that they are doing, Jihaad just like everyother aspect of our religion has its Rules, regulations and methodology, there are limits and boundaries, there are rules and legistalations.

But then some coem and say wel, the west is doing such and such injustice, killing innocnet so we will go ahead and do the same to them , well this is not a valid excuse nor does it legislate such bombings of civilians, Muslims or non muslims and lets be honest , if u look at the amount of peopel killed with in the muslim world by Al qaida and its related organizations and taliban it n no way compares to the few thousand that have been killed in the west. Muslims blood have been made permissible by these DOGS OF HELL FIRE , and their leaders , THE CALLERS AT THE GATES OF HELL!! The khawariij of our time in every way and form,

Its time to free ourselfs from them once n for all, its time t stand against them and work with our governments to establish peace and secure the sacred Human lifes that we have no right to take. Its time to stop protecting them and stop sympathizing with them, its time to Learnm the deen an learn and know that these people have got notthing to do with islaam or jihaad, Rather its Fasssad ! wallahi ikhwaa its all fassad, Killing muslims and non muslims with out any permission from our religion or our Lord the Most High!

Please stop making excuses and giving them the benefit of the doubt , coz the more we let them lose the more estruction they will bring about.

jihaad?? what do they know about jihaad, go see what happening in pakisatn , afgan , iraq and now yemen and SAUDI ARABIA, do u knwo how many terror incidents have taken place in Saudia alone n how may people have died?

Do you not know that Prince Naif may Allah protect and preserve him ahs been attacked? was that not a well know al qaida member who blem himself inhis office?? Does al qaida xist?? Off course it does, when will we realise it and coem out of denial is completely beyond me.

People change, wallahi those who revolted against ali and uthmaan were not BORN KHAWARIIJ , they changed, their ideology n thinking changed, so stop suporting the taliban n al qaida with excuses that they were heoreos in afghanistan in teh russian war n all, people change , situations ahve changed and the methodology has changed.

Muslism, non muslism , muslim leaders are all in danger and need us to stand up in the face of this extreme fithnah,

will u come along n join those who will end this fassad from the land or join the other side is up to you , but be warned that u dont want to stand in front of Allah with the blood of muslims n non-muslim civilians on your hands!

fear Allah

http://www.authentictranslations.com/

www.takfiris.com

http://www.answering-extremism.com

http://www.islamagainstextremism.com/


Come to the scholars that are the inheritors of the Prophets, come to the people of knowledge, join the fight against extremism, wallahi oyr salaf us saalih fought against such fithnas , dont be afraid n get ur facts right.

[Cabdullahi]

UPS Yemen Bomb Scare is a Hoax BBC Confirms NO Explosives




Obamas got midterm elections they need a bomb scare to swing votes his way :)...the bomb scare is as real as you finding OBL under your bed....its never gonna happen

[purple]

Obamas got midterm elections they need a bomb scare to swing votes his way :)...the bomb scare is as real as you finding OBL under your bed....its never gonna happen

r u 4 real. dis has a negative impact on obama even if was real! obama is goin to lose n dey will hve mad tea party lozers.

[Dagless]

You are correct to a certain extent, although your analogy is flawed. I do not make my comment from the one Muslim who I have seen this from, but from many. My intent was not to paint all Muslims under this brush. The number of Muslims who do fit, though, is significant. At least from those Muslims that post on any forums I have ever visited and this forum is certainly no exception.

Not really a justification for the comment. Out of 1.6 billion Muslims the number on this forum and all others is insignificant.

I don't disagree that operations like that have taken place. My problem is with those that use that fact to assume that every act blamed on Muslims is such an operation. That is when it becomes a conspiracy theory. Those Muslims can then claim that even attacks by Muslims are really attacks on Muslims. It is a mindset of perpetual victimhood and denial of reality.

A sister gave the example of 2 SAS men caught dressed as arabs shooting civilians etc. If they hadn't been caught I'm sure you would have called that a conspiracy theory too, even though people living in Iraq were saying things like this were happening well before that event.

[shuraimfan4lyf]

UPS Yemen Bomb Scare is a Hoax BBC Confirms NO Explosives




Obamas got midterm elections they need a bomb scare to swing votes his way :)...the bomb scare is as real as you finding OBL under your bed....its never gonna happen

Ahh I knew it!.. even though its not on the Official BBC website.

EDIT: BBC Article confirms it.

Parcel bomb plotters 'used dry run', say US officials

A US official has told the BBC that suspect packages from Yemen were intercepted in September, in what may have been a dry run for last week's foiled parcel bomb plot.

The shipments from Yemen to Chicago are reported to have contained literature and other materials, but no explosives.

The idea was to test how long it would take for the packages to reach their destination, US officials suspect.

Last week, two parcel bombs were found on cargo planes in the UK and Dubai.

The parcels - with powerful PETN explosives hidden inside printer toner cartridges - were shipped from Yemen's capital Sanaa through UPS and another US cargo firm, FedEx.

Both packages - which have now been made safe - were addressed to synagogues in the US city of Chicago.

Investigators have linked the "dry run" and last weekend's bombs to al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

In other developments:

* Several countries have tightened air security measures, with the UK and Netherlands banning incoming cargo flights from Yemen and Nigeria - home to a man who tried to detonate a bomb in an aircraft over the US on Christmas Day - introducing explosive screening for some outbound freight
* Germany has taken it further, banning both cargo and passenger flights from Yemen
* Yemen has reacted angrily to the security measures taken by European countries, accusing them of "resorting to decisions which can only be likened to collective punishment" and reserving particular ire for the German measures
* The International Air Transport Association (Iata), which is holding an airline security conference in Frankfurt, has warned against governments "making knee-jerk reactions" to last week's bomb plot which it said could harm the air travel industry.

'One scenario'

The US official was speaking to the BBC about the apparent dry run on condition of anonymity.

It was first reported by ABC News on Monday and later by the New York Times.

They quoted intelligence officials - who also spoke on condition of anonymity - as saying that the shipments in September may have been used to plan the route and timing for the two parcel bombs discovered last Friday.

"That was one scenario that was considered," one of the officials told the New York Times.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11671377

[Woodrow]

r u 4 real. dis has a negative impact on obama even if was real! obama is goin to lose n dey will hve mad tea party lozers.

This is midterm not a Presidential election. Obama is not running in this race. He has only been trying to support some who are running for office. A number of State Governors are up for election. I assume Obama will try his best to get as many Democrats elected as possible. There are also some Federal Bills to be voted on. Right now many of the small business owners are against the latest health care bill as it seems it will put a heavy burden upon them to pay for it.

There are 39 States electing Governors today, there should be a high voter turn out in those State. The 11 States not electing a Governor today will probably have a very small voter turn out.
What I find interesting is there are 10 women running for governor today. This is tied with the highest number ever running at one time. I don't know what the impact will be, I see it as a sign of dislike for the current administrations and people wanting drastic changes.

[brotherubaid]

Hoax or not, explosives or not , elctions or not , one thing no one can deny , We have a problem on our hands.

So may be this was all a plot , may be it was all a big trick , but that does not mean we are not facing a great threat from Extremists.

Like i said before , Lets be honest and lets be just.

Lets take the middle path , Lets not say there is no al qaida and there is no bombing threat, and lets not say every bomb that goes off anywheer in the world its by al qaida.

Lets acknowldge n accpet the fact that there is a problem. and we need t fix it. By educating , by giving hard core dawah to those who have been afflicted by these ideologies, lets help and aid the scholars and students of knowledge in teaching the true teachings of Islam and the true was of jihaad, lets teach the Poor peopel who dont know no better , lets atleast spread the authentic Islamic Manhaj and methodology, lets teach our brohers n sisters and warn them from falling in such actions.

Even if this is proved to be hoax n all , this does not mean we can relax and there is no problem at our hands, we have a very serious problem , not only in the west but in the islamic lands as well, i mean come on!! if we hae terror incidents in the Saudi arabia which place can be safe from it? I mean this is the capital of muslims , this is the land of haramain the two holy mosques n sites, this is the holiest land and the most blessed place!! if this place is not safe no place is, if these murderous thugs did not have any shame commiting such acts in this blessed land know that no land will be safe from them, in the past few years there have been hundreds of incidents and killings, scholars have been targeted , leaders n royal family memebers have been targeted , civilains n government institutions n departments have been targeted and All praise is to Allah that many such plots were folied and may Allah give the saudi law enforcement more tawfeeq in their jihaad against the filth devils of these khawaarij and may Allah guide them or break their backs.

And Alhumdolillah, the saudi governemt when the catch individulas involved in such activities, They dont torture them or beat them up , raher they put them thorugh rehab programs, By Allah my brothers ns sisters go sit with the scholars and listen to the stories , go to any major scholar , go to the islamic uni of madeenah and sit with sheikh sulaiman al ruhailee and listen his accpunts and his experiences with such youth in rehab and in jails, The noble scholars themselfes go and adviose them with kindness, widom and most of ALL knowledge , coz these poor individuals have been mislead and misguided,

So we cant say there isnt al qaida n all, even if there isnt an al qaida , By Allah the Ideology is there , the thougts and thinking is there , these murderous n criminal activities are there and spreading , if we wil not help them out and guid ethem out of it they will not only lose their lifes n their hereafter, they will also end up killing hundreds n thousands of inocent people , frommuslims n non muslim alike.


And by they way, Nice try ! a 50 sec clip to prove it was hoax lol , im sorry but i cant buy that, stop denying and face the truth and acknowledge it and try to help out in any way u can.

A package was found in duabi as well, And all the packages did have petn n they were designed to go off, if not detonate they could have caused a fire, it could easily bring a plane down, if its apasseneger place hundreds will die, if its cargo still the crew will de n it will still be as sad as hundreds dying coz of What Allah said:

the one who kills one nafs is as he has killed the whole humanity! and teh one who saves it is as if he has saved the whole humanity

and there was a crash recently in dubai, Thank God the place crashed with in meters of residential places, any one familiar with duabi knows the place could have taken thousands of lifes, WHY?? coz there was a fire on borad, yes it has still not been proved that it was due to any such device, but who knows? we will never find out , but what we can prove from this is that by causing fire on board a plane u could kill not only its passengers but also hundreds of innocent people , muslism n non muslism on the ground.


May Allah save us from the acts n evil of these filthy devils, like the great sheikh al najmee called them! and like sheikh abdul mohsin al abbad called, them, , he said yes they are mujahids, mujahids in the way of shaytaan!!!



By the way u have also got the whole article wrong . it clearly says that the parcels in september were the ones with no explosives, it was literature n other materials , n the ones n september were dry-run, not this current one, the current one were devices that could have gone off or set off, detonated or caused fire, they each were very able to bring down the planes on which they travelled.



The BUT NO EXPLOSIVES that u have got in bold is about the septemnber parcels n packages , the recnet ones DO HAVE EXPLOSIVE MATERIAL , dont get too excited n get ahead of yourself. lol read it again akhi baarak Allahu feek.

[brotherubaid]

Ahh I knew it!.. even though its not on the Official BBC website.

EDIT: BBC Article confirms it.

Parcel bomb plotters 'used dry run', say US officials

A US official has told the BBC that suspect packages from Yemen were intercepted in September, in what may have been a dry run for last week's foiled parcel bomb plot.

The shipments from Yemen to Chicago are reported to have contained literature and other materials, but no explosives.

The idea was to test how long it would take for the packages to reach their destination, US officials suspect.

Last week, two parcel bombs were found on cargo planes in the UK and Dubai.

The parcels - with powerful PETN explosives hidden inside printer toner cartridges - were shipped from Yemen's capital Sanaa through UPS and another US cargo firm, FedEx.

Both packages - which have now been made safe - were addressed to synagogues in the US city of Chicago.

Investigators have linked the "dry run" and last weekend's bombs to al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

In other developments:

* Several countries have tightened air security measures, with the UK and Netherlands banning incoming cargo flights from Yemen and Nigeria - home to a man who tried to detonate a bomb in an aircraft over the US on Christmas Day - introducing explosive screening for some outbound freight
* Germany has taken it further, banning both cargo and passenger flights from Yemen
* Yemen has reacted angrily to the security measures taken by European countries, accusing them of "resorting to decisions which can only be likened to collective punishment" and reserving particular ire for the German measures
* The International Air Transport Association (Iata), which is holding an airline security conference in Frankfurt, has warned against governments "making knee-jerk reactions" to last week's bomb plot which it said could harm the air travel industry.

'One scenario'

The US official was speaking to the BBC about the apparent dry run on condition of anonymity.

It was first reported by ABC News on Monday and later by the New York Times.

They quoted intelligence officials - who also spoke on condition of anonymity - as saying that the shipments in September may have been used to plan the route and timing for the two parcel bombs discovered last Friday.

"That was one scenario that was considered," one of the officials told the New York Times.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11671377

NOPE THE BBC ARTICLE DOES NOT CONFIRM IT

read!!

It is taking about the parcels in september , they did not contain explosives n were a dry run for the RECENT one that DID CONTAIN EXPLOSIVES!

Akhi abdullahi subhanAllah , a 50 sec clip to prove it was hoax? come on akhi this does not suit u

The parcles could have blown up or atleast caused fire, which coudl have easily brought down the planes, just liek the recent UPS crash in duabi, which was due to fire on board, Alhumdolilah Allah saved the people on ground , there were many residential n commercial bilidings in very close areas of the crash , it wa just off the main highway, emirates road.

Any way and back to teh article

It clearly says the september parcles did not contaian any explosives, they were probably a dry run to see how much time it takes to get there and all. the septemner parcels contained books n literature BUT NO EXPLOSIVES , they went fom yemen to chicaho as well so don confuse them with this current attempt , u have got the whole thing wrong, woudl have never expected this from u akhi

This time aroudn it was with devices that contained explosive materials, or materials that cudl have caused damage.

why are we trying to protect the evil subhanAllah!

[5alim]

scared cows, they suspended most flights because of this from yemean and stuff......................... Cowards, it was nuthin..

[shuraimfan4lyf]

scared cows, they suspended most flights because of this from yemean and stuff......................... Cowards, it was nuthin..

exactlyy! its like a game they play every once in a while. Just when the mid-term elections come around, "al qaida" decides to sent some packages, right? I believe there is al-qaida, but many of the hoaxes are done by the intelligence agencies in the name of Islamic extremism. Al-Qaida did some mistakes by attacking some places in Saudia, but they have more good than bad.

They are in the right path, with the right ideology, which is Ahlus-Sunnah wa jama3. Before Osama Bin Laden, and Ayman al-Zawahiri migrated to Afghan provinces, Mullah Omar was not on the right aqeedah, OBL and them helped them come on the right Aqeedah.

[Rabi Mansur]

exactlyy! its like a game they play every once in a while. Just when the mid-term elections come around, "al qaida" decides to sent some packages, right? I believe there is al-qaida, but many of the hoaxes are done by the intelligence agencies in the name of Islamic extremism. Al-Qaida did some mistakes by attacking some places in Saudia, but they have more good than bad.

They are in the right path, with the right ideology, which is Ahlus-Sunnah wa jama3. Before Osama Bin Laden, and Ayman al-Zawahiri migrated to Afghan provinces, Mullah Omar was not on the right aqeedah, OBL and them helped them come on the right Aqeedah.

:sl:
You are saying that Al Qaeda is more good than bad??? You are saying that they are on the right path???
I am dumbfounded. This attitude I find deplorable. How can you ever justify cold-blooded murder?

Do you remember the bombs that Al Qaeda did in Spain? They did it just before the election to influence the election. They are so dumb they would probably think that they could influence the US elections. And if they did, they would influence people in the US, but not in a way they think they would. It would create a very strong backlash.

Ackhi I really don't understand where you are coming from.

[جوري]

I have a difficult time believing that 'Al qaeda' exists.. If Muslims were this organized we'd not be under despot rule for a century!
you may not find this article credible but it is far more credible than the opinions I hear daily as if news!

"Al-Qaeda" Does Not Exist
Did Osama really choose to name his terror network after potty humor or was it a computer database he used to chat with his CIA handlers?

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | October 6 2006

The origins of the name "Al-Qaeda," and its real arabic connotations prove that every time the Bush administration, Fox News, or any individual who cites the threat of "Al-Qaeda," as a mandate for war and domestic authoritarianism, they are propagating the myth that such a group ever existed.

An organization by the name of "Al-Qaeda" does not exist and has never existed outside a falsely coined collective term for offshoot loose knit terror cells, the majority of which are guided by the Pakistani ISI, Mossad, the Saudis, MI6 and the CIA, that were created in response to America's actions after 9/11 - as the recent NIE report shows.

According to the BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares , the infamous footage of Bin Laden marching around with armed soldiers was a ruse on the part of Osama himself, graciously propagated by the lapdog press, in which actors were hired off the streets, given uniforms and guns and told to look aggressive.

Note the video states Bin Laden only took on the Al-Qaeda mantle post-9/11 after the U.S. government began parroting the term. The only error is the now debunked myth that 9/11 was carried out by "Al-Qaeda."

So if the group doesn't exist, where did the name come from?

You have heard before that "Al-Qaeda" roughly translates into "the base," but were you aware that "Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is arabic colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet"?

Would hardened terrorists hell bent on the destruction of the west name their organization after a euphemism for taking a ****?

The truth about where the name "Al-Qaeda" originated explains why no would-be fundamentalist suicide martyr could have been involved in its creation.

Former Leader of the House of Commons Robin Cook, who admirably resigned in protest of the 2003 Iraq invasion, penned a piece in the London Guardian shortly before his death that shed light on the true genesis of the name.

"Al-Qaida," states Cook, "literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians."

Former French Military Intelligence official Pierre Henry Bunel expands , noting that "Al-Qaeda," was an early form of intranet, which was used by Islamic nations and influential families to communicate with each other. It was also used by the "American agent," Osama bin Laden to send coded or covert messages back to his CIA handlers from Afghanistan.

It's worthy to conclude with Bunel's assertion that "Al-Qaeda" as an organization is about as genuine as George W. Bush's Texas brush clearing cowboy image.

"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money."

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ter..._bin_laden.htm

[Rabi Mansur]

:sl:

Ukhti you know I'm just learning Arabic. Al Hamaam is bathroom, right? Al Qaida is it really "colloquial" for bathroom? Seriously?

I will look into what you posted.

شكرا

I'm trying to remain open-minded. It is hard to know what to believe and what is propaganda.

[جوري]

Ukhti you know I'm just learning Arabic. Al Hamaam is bathroom, right? Al Qaida is it really "colloquial" for bathroom? Seriously?

I am sorry maybe I missed something, where does it say hamman in the post I linked?

al qaeda literally translates to 'the base' qa'dat alhamam means toilet seat, but I have no idea how that relates? does going to the john's or having an operational terrorist organization named after the john's make them any more or any less credible. I try to look at the complete picture.. like a picture with alleged God fearing Muslims getting lap-dances or a surviving Saudi passport .. if the details need to be tweaked alot then chances are, we are not getting the correct picture.


:w:

[Rabi Mansur]

I am sorry maybe I missed something, where does it say hamman in the post I linked?

al qaeda literally translates to 'the base' qa'dat alhamam means toilet seat, but I have no idea how that relates? does going to the john's or having an operational terrorist organization named after the john's make them any more or any less credible. I try to look at the complete picture.. like a picture with alleged God fearing Muslims getting lap-dances or a surviving Saudi passport .. if the details need to be tweaked alot then chances are, we are not getting the correct picture.


:w:

It doesn't say Al Hamaam in the post you linked, I was just trying to clarify if Ana raicha Al Qaeda really meant what the post said it did, that's all. Just clarifying since I don't know Arabic. I knew what Al Hamaam meant but not the other.
Anyway, it does make sense that if Al Qaeda as an operational organization really doesn't exist it would explain a lot. The neoconservatives always need a big bad enemy to fight against. Without that, how can they whip people up into a frenzy? They always need a big enemy to justify their power.

[جوري]

It doesn't say Al Hamaam in the post you linked, I was just trying to clarify if Ana raicha Al Qaeda really meant what the post said it did, that's all. Just clarifying since I don't know Arabic. I knew what Al Hamaam meant but not the other.
Anyway, it does make sense that if Al Qaeda as an operational organization really doesn't exist it would explain a lot. The neoconservatives always need a big bad enemy to fight against. Without that, how can they whip people up into a frenzy? They always need a big enemy to justify their power.

people have many Euphemisms for bathroom, I don't know if that is one, I haven't personally heard of this one but heard of other hilarious ones.. I think there is alot that we don't know.. I am very suspicious of the govt. in general and not just the U.S govt. at least here the opposition always forces some sort of transparency that one simply doesn't see in the middle east.. but patience insha'Allah..

:w:

[Ramadhan]

From http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...786&context=va

The Oil chokepoint and other oily affairs

The strategic significance of the region between Yemen and Somalia becomes the point of geopolitical interest. It is the site of Bab el-Mandab, one of what the US Government lists as seven strategic world oil shipping chokepoints. The US Government Energy Information Agency states that "closure of the Bab el-Mandab could keep tankers from the Persian Gulf from reaching the Suez Canal/Sumed pipeline complex, diverting them around the southern tip of Africa. The Strait of Bab el-Mandab is a chokepoint between the horn of Africa and the Middle East, and a strategic link between the Mediterranean Sea and Indian Ocean." [9]

Bab el-Mandab, between Yemen, Djibouti, and Eritrea connects the Red Sea with the Gulf of Aden and the Arabian Sea. Oil and other exports from the Persian Gulf must pass through Bab el-Mandab before entering the Suez Canal. In 2006, the Energy Department in Washington reported that an estimated 3.3 million barrels a day of oil flowed through this narrow waterway to Europe, the United States, and Asia. Most oil, or some 2.1 million barrels a day, goes north through the Bab el-Mandab to the Suez/Sumed complex into the Mediterranean.

An excuse for a US or NATO militarization of the waters around Bab el-Mandab would give Washington another major link in its pursuit of control of the seven most critical oil chokepoints around the world, a major part of any future US strategy aimed at denying oil flows to China, the EU or any region or country that opposes US policy. Given that significant flows of Saudi oil pass through Bab el-Mandab, a US military control there would serve to deter the Saudi Kingdom from becoming serious about transacting future oil sales with China or others no longer in dollars, as was recently reported by UK Independent journalist Robert Fisk.

It would also be in a position to threaten China’s oil transport from Port Sudan on the Red Sea just north of Bab el-Mandab, a major lifeline in China’s national energy needs.

In addition to its geopolitical position as a major global oil transit chokepoint, Yemen is reported to hold some of the world’s greatest untapped oil reserves. Yemen’s Masila Basin and Shabwa Basin are reported by international oil companies to contain "world class discoveries."[10] France’s Total and several smaller international oil companies are engaged in developing Yemen’s oil production. Some fifteen years ago I was told in a private meeting with a well-informed Washington insider that Yemen contained "enough undeveloped oil to fill the oil demand of the entire world for the next fifty years." Perhaps there is more to Washington’s recent Yemen concern than a rag-tag al Qaeda whose very existence as a global terror organization has been doubted by seasoned Islamic experts.

[brotherubaid]

skhi shuraim fan for life

Al qaida are neither ahlus sunnah wal jammah , nor are they on teh right aqeedah, een if they were on the right aqeedah their manhaj is not that of ahlus sunnah wal jammah, nor is their way and methodology of jihaad.

Nor is osama bin laden from ahlus sunnah nor mullah umar nor al zawahiri , i dont know where u got all that from , quote me a scholar or a reliable person coz no disrespect i cannot take your words for it.

And is u want to knwo what scholars of ahlus sunah wal jammah have said about al qaidah, as a group or as an ideology (for those who dont belive it exists, ts ideology does exist without a doubt n those who ascribe themselfes to it do exist) see what the scholars have said about al qaida and osama bin laden n all the individulas u have praised to be from ahlus sunnah wal jammah, they are all not in any way or form from ahlus sunnah wal jammah, nor from the aqeedah point of view nor from their jihaad ideology , their manhja is messed up, their way of jihaad is messed up, they are completely misguided and these are not my words rather the words of the scholars, THEY ARE THE KHAWWARIJ!!

Khawwarij are not just the ones who revolt against a just ruler, i would suggest u akhi fo rthe sake of Allah to get ur facts straight, stick to the scholars, learn from them , get ur facts and ur methodology right from teh scholars and stop foloowing and praising and supporting these individulas, who did want tpo do jihaad, but they used the wrong ways n means for it, killing civilian alll over the world , muslism n non muslims, and i am talking about the Bombings that THEY THEMSELFES HAVE CONFESSED AND TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR.

Its shameful to praise them , they are dogs of teh hell fire , and Allah knows best, but their actions are not those of Muslims and maY Allah save u from their fithnah.

Read what the scholars say about khawaarij , about OBL, about all them lot.

http://www.answering-extremism.com

http://www.islamagainstextremism.com/

www.takfiris.com

www.authentictranslations.com

www.themadkhalis.com

May Alah save u

[Argamemnon]

No. I can look at the title of most threads (such as this one) and tell you before I look that multiple Muslim posters will claim that the story is false and that America/Israel is really behind it. Do you deny this?

Many Muslims are taught to make denial their first reaction when hearing about anything negative done by Muslims, and to immediately find a way to place the blame on the two biggest bogeymen in the world - USA and Israel. They are taught that Muslims do no wrong, and that when they do it is because some evil American or Jew tricked them into it.

If my comment was a crazy prejudiced generalization then you would not see such conspiracy theories on just about every single thread involving bombings or other terrorist acts.

Ever heard of false flag operations? The Bali bombings are just one example;

http://911blogger.com/node/12872

[shuraimfan4lyf]

I am just tired of everything. Some say Osama Bin Laden was a CIA agent bla bla bla. Only Allah knows who is really doing Jihad fee Sabeelillah. I just hope the truth comes out clearly. Allah knows the best. And I shall be patient and wait, from now on take no ones side.

[titus]

Ever heard of false flag operations? The Bali bombings are just one example;

Yes, every terrorist act blamed on Muslims is actually a false flag operation.

Muslims that would kill innocent people do not exist. It is only Israel and their Zionist puppets in the West that do it in disguise.

[جوري]

Muslims that would kill innocent people do not exist. It is only Israel and their Zionist puppets in the West that do it in disguise.

Now you got it!

all the best

[titus]

And last night the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus came over to my place for dinner.

[جوري]

And last night the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus came over to my place for dinner.

if you are in America that is bound to happen, Jesus and the ghost also makes frequent stops I have been told by some members here!

all the best

[brotherubaid]

I am just tired of everything. Some say Osama Bin Laden was a CIA agent bla bla bla. Only Allah knows who is really doing Jihad fee Sabeelillah. I just hope the truth comes out clearly. Allah knows the best. And I shall be patient and wait, from now on take no ones side.

Take it easy . see u go from one extreme to another extreme view

No he is not a CIA agent , He just got misguided, yes he was trained and he helped defeat soviets in afghanistan but then he changed and his ideology changed.

Yes only Allah knows who is doing jihaad fi sabeel Allah, no doubt , But Allah also sent down a messenger , He taught us and delivered the message with all honesty and completely , the deen is complete , we have teh book n sunnah , we have the life of the Prophet sala lahu alihi wa sallam and his companions , we have the lifes of those who followed , e have the lifes of great imams n scholars n ulama , we have the lifes of the great mujahids, WE ARE UPON KNOWLEDGE N CLARITY

Now isnt Jihaad fi sabeel Allah a great Ibbadah? is it?

Now for each and every ibaadah isnt there conditions, ways , ideology , manhaj , and a clear way of doing it, arent there dos n donts , would one need to know the true way of jihaad and how to conduct n do it ? would one need knowledge of jihaad just like one needs knowledge n rulings on salah or zakat or fasting? now do u think akhi that everyone calling towards jihaad and claiiming jihaad even if they are in lands where jihaad is obliatory are doing it the right way? now if they are not doing it the right way would it still be considered jihaad? now if u do three sajdahs in every rakat is ur salat acepeted or right or complete? how would jihaad be accpeted from u if its done the wrong and in dedious ways?

Offcourse there is jihaad going on , but not everyone claiming and calling towards it and dojng it , doing it the right way, n we should steer well clear of those who are doing it teh wrong way and teach them n guide them n hep them n if needed stop them.

in doing so we are
- saving them
-saving islam and muslims
-saving innocent humas who have no right to be killed
and may many more imprtnat things

dont just get all excited everythime u hear the word jihaad or mujahideen, coz By Allah they might be just the opposite, they might just be murderrous thugs who ha no knowledge how to condut it and had no patience n ended up doing it the wrong way and taking the wrong steps, the steps that will not bring them closer to Allah or jannah, rather bring them closer to Hell and Allah's anger!

so get ur facts , get ur knowledge , and may Allah help u and guide u akhi.

[brotherubaid]

Take it easy . see u go from one extreme to another extreme view

No he is not a CIA agent , He just got misguided, yes he was trained and he helped defeat soviets in afghanistan but then he changed and his ideology changed.

Yes only Allah knows who is doing jihaad fi sabeel Allah, no doubt , But Allah also sent down a messenger , He taught us and delivered the message with all honesty and completely , the deen is complete , we have teh book n sunnah , we have the life of the Prophet sala lahu alihi wa sallam and his companions , we have the lifes of those who followed , e have the lifes of great imams n scholars n ulama , we have the lifes of the great mujahids, WE ARE UPON KNOWLEDGE N CLARITY

Now isnt Jihaad fi sabeel Allah a great Ibbadah? is it?

Now for each and every ibaadah isnt there conditions, ways , ideology , manhaj , and a clear way of doing it, arent there dos n donts , would one need to know the true way of jihaad and how to conduct n do it ? would one need knowledge of jihaad just like one needs knowledge n rulings on salah or zakat or fasting? now do u think akhi that everyone calling towards jihaad and claiiming jihaad even if they are in lands where jihaad is obliatory are doing it the right way? now if they are not doing it the right way would it still be considered jihaad? now if u do three sajdahs in every rakat is ur salat acepeted or right or complete? how would jihaad be accpeted from u if its done the wrong and in dedious ways?

Offcourse there is jihaad going on , but not everyone claiming and calling towards it and dojng it , doing it the right way, n we should steer well clear of those who are doing it teh wrong way and teach them n guide them n hep them n if needed stop them.

in doing so we are
- saving them
-saving islam and muslims
-saving innocent humas who have no right to be killed
and may many more imprtnat things

dont just get all excited everythime u hear the word jihaad or mujahideen, coz By Allah they might be just the opposite, they might just be murderrous thugs who ha no knowledge how to condut it and had no patience n ended up doing it the wrong way and taking the wrong steps, the steps that will not bring them closer to Allah or jannah, rather bring them closer to Hell and Allah's anger!

so get ur facts , get ur knowledge , and may Allah help u and guide u akhi.

PS know that most in our times who call towards jihaad like the person whom we are talking about in the other thread are knw as al qaaidoon , the one who sit and incite other to fight , and know akhi that the worst of the Khawarj are the ones who sit and incite others to fight, this is what the salaf are agreed upon.

[brotherubaid]

Akhi please check this

this is what the scholar are saying about some individulas that u mentioned.

By sheikh muqbil , n u know who sheikh muqbil is akhi
Bin Ladin Is A Calamity Upon the Muslim Nation and Praising Him Is A Deficiency In Understanding Islam
http://www.islamagainstextremism.com...ding-islam.cfm

Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee: Osama bin Ladin is a Filthy Devil
http://www.islamagainstextremism.com...lthy-devil.cfm

check this website for more on how the yoth have been misguided
http://www.islamagainstextremism.com/index.cfm


also check this

http://www.answering-extremism.com/t..._various_1.pdf
Scholars position regarding bin laden, Various scholars

[YusufNoor]

:sl:

i meant to address this sooner...

for false flag ops to work, you must "mirror" an "enemy" organization. in the case of "al qaeda," western "intelligence" organizations get the added "bonus" the the org they are trying to discredit, AQ, assists greatly in this endeavor!

9/11 was NOT AQ, YET, how many "Muslims" were "inspired" to attack the west or its allies after the event? does Islam encourage acts of terror? ABSOLUTELY NOT! do "Muslims?" ABSOLUTELY YES! AND "Muslims" even kill and target innocent Muslims!? Nowuthubillah!

can we now go in and dissect which "act" was "which" AQ? "false flag" or not? the ONLY way to do THAT would be if Muslims stopped all terrorists acts, THEN we could know!

back to the topic...

i was scanning the internet and saw something pretty startling! here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39998294..._news-americas

5 Americans killed in Mexico in past week

after spotting that, i asked others what THEY thought about that...

NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON KNEW!

SubhanAllah, we are so stupid! an "alleged" "unsuccessful" "attack" is front page news for a week. news sites are filled with Americans making comments like "kill all the Muslims!" "kill them before they kill us." in other words, normally "somewhat" sane people are calling for the "execution" of "people who the US Constitution would protect," not because they haven't had a trial yet, but because they haven't done ANYTHING!!!! "PREEMPTIVE ACTION"

"PREEMPTIVE ACTION"

"PREEMPTIVE ACTION"

where are the plans to invade Mexico? have you heard Rush demand that? how about Beck, or Bill O'Riley? Sarah Teabagger? any of the "zalimoon" here?

and what i really missed!

Republicans pick up 64[or whatever] seats in the House. when was the "attack" again? the week JUST BEFORE the election!

no one noticed THAT, did they?

SubhanAllah, we are so stupid!

:wa:

[GuestFellow]

I am just tired of everything. Some say Osama Bin Laden was a CIA agent bla bla bla. Only Allah knows who is really doing Jihad fee Sabeelillah. I just hope the truth comes out clearly. Allah knows the best. And I shall be patient and wait, from now on take no ones side.

Salaam,

Yes same here. I am tired too. I think it is best to wait and take no sides.