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caadam
11-02-2010, 08:33 PM
Assalamu alaikum.

My name is Candice and I am a Christian. Well... I follow the scriptures of the bible, but truthfully I don't associate myself to Christianity in the mainstream. I don't even feel very comfortable calling myself a Christian, only because it tends to lead to a lot of stigma and assumptions about what I follow. People automatically think that I'm some bible-bashing Christian, or a half-hearted Christian.

I don't fit in with that crowd very much, mostly because I want to follow the traditions and customs of the churches in scripture. Such as... covering my head as a woman, being modest in clothing, having a meek and submissive spirit, and respecting the authority of men as being teachers of the congregation. If I were to be a teacher, I would want to be a teacher to younger women and children; I wouldn't believe it my place to teach men.

Because of these things, I tend to get into many disagreements with Christian women in particular. :exhausted I don't try to, but I'm not willing to compromise customs for the sake of modern culture. Such things shouldn't change according to culture, I believe. There would be no spiritual meaning to them, then. At least that's what I believe.

I have been curious and wanting to learn more about Islam recently because of this, as well as a flyer I saw about Islam two weeks ago. It was called Muslims for Peace; I checked out the Website, because like the average person, I had my prejudices about Islam. Peaceful Muslims, right? I got the chance to read Q&A's with scripture from the Qu'ran. I was very taken back by the reality that my assumptions were way off from the truth about Islam. The truth being that Islam is to be a religion of peace and life for Allah every day.

With that being said, I'm very thankful to be on this board and get to talk to you all. I know not everyone here is Muslim, but I will definitely be asking questions and get involved. :)
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جوري
11-02-2010, 08:37 PM
:welcome: aboard Candice.. I just adore your name -- hope you enjoy your stay with us..
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S.Belle
11-02-2010, 09:51 PM
Welcome hope you enjoy it here :)
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caadam
11-02-2010, 11:27 PM
Oh, trust me: I have found some, some Christian women who do indeed cover their heads. No doubt. Sadly, though, I live in a very liberal area where there are very liberal Christians. They simply don't understand nor want to understand the custom of covering a woman's head. Because of that, I tend to be very isolated in my practice. It's very discouraging because I find it to be a spiritual necessity in my faith, where as I'm not being supported by most Christian women in my area to do what I do. The Christians I have found who do cover their head are living in other states, or are Mennonite or Amish here in Washington. As well, I don't find many Christian women here who practice a sense of modesty. It's all about fashion. Being my age (23), I don't get along with my generation for obvious reasons. :exhausted I also get a lot of heat for saying that I don't believe women should be teaching the congregation from people my age and younger. It's hard.
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tango92
11-03-2010, 07:13 AM
welcome to teh forums.

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Woodrow
11-03-2010, 08:04 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by caadam
Oh, trust me: I have found some, some Christian women who do indeed cover their heads. No doubt. Sadly, though, I live in a very liberal area where there are very liberal Christians. They simply don't understand nor want to understand the custom of covering a woman's head. Because of that, I tend to be very isolated in my practice. It's very discouraging because I find it to be a spiritual necessity in my faith, where as I'm not being supported by most Christian women in my area to do what I do. The Christians I have found who do cover their head are living in other states, or are Mennonite or Amish here in Washington. As well, I don't find many Christian women here who practice a sense of modesty. It's all about fashion. Being my age (23), I don't get along with my generation for obvious reasons. :exhausted I also get a lot of heat for saying that I don't believe women should be teaching the congregation from people my age and younger. It's hard.
Many or us here are reverts from Christianity. a strange thing you will often hear us reverts say is our love for Jesus(as) and wanting to live as he taught was a step in leading us to Islam.

Washington does have many Muslims, especially in the Seattle area, use this as an opportunity to learn first hand about Islam. I am certain that you can find helpful literature at any nearby Mosque. also feel free to ask any questions here. Here you may not always get the best scholarly answers, but you will learn more about how us typical Muslims live on a day to day basis. You will discover we come in a lot of different flavors. You will meet members of all shapes and colors and from very diverse backgrounds we have members who have lived their entire life as Muslims and very recent reverts. But we all have one thing in common, we are equal as Muslims. A person who just became Muslim, is as much Muslim as a 100 year old Scholar who lived his entire life as a pious Muslim. The new revert is even closer to Jannah (Heaven) as their sins have been erased and they are beginning life as a new born with a fresh pure start.
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Amat Allah
11-03-2010, 11:45 AM
wellcome my sweet heart, May Allah lead your way to the path of the endless happiness and give you the best of this life and of the hereafter Ameeeen

you are now a dear and precious member of the IB`s big family, please feel free to ask whatever you want ^^

May Allah open for you all the doors of real success and goodness...Ameeeeen

leaving you under Allah`s sight...

with all my respect and humility, your sister:

Amat Allah
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Asiyah3
11-03-2010, 12:27 PM
Wa alaykum as-salaam,

Welcome. :)
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YusufNoor
11-03-2010, 01:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by caadam
Oh, trust me: I have found some, some Christian women who do indeed cover their heads. No doubt. Sadly, though, I live in a very liberal area where there are very liberal Christians.

King County, eh?;D

They simply don't understand nor want to understand the custom of covering a woman's head. Because of that, I tend to be very isolated in my practice. It's very discouraging because I find it to be a spiritual necessity in my faith, where as I'm not being supported by most Christian women in my area to do what I do. The Christians I have found who do cover their head are living in other states, or are Mennonite or Amish here in Washington. As well, I don't find many Christian women here who practice a sense of modesty. It's all about fashion. Being my age (23), I don't get along with my generation for obvious reasons. :exhausted I also get a lot of heat for saying that I don't believe women should be teaching the congregation from people my age and younger. It's hard.
:sl:

i answered you in the other section before i saw this. of great benefit to you might be Khalid Yasin. he opened a new Community Center 2 MLK and Juneau, just on the south side of the Filipino Community Center. link:

http://www.purposeoflifecenter.com/

i keep [well, i try to keep. got 3 at the moment] media packages for new Muslims, you are welcome to have one. anything that can be copied that you might be interested in, i would attempt so as well.

my 2 favorite speakers are Mufti Ismail Menk, of Zimbabwe, and Dr Bashar Shala of Memphis Tennessee. please listen to Dr Shala's Owner of the 2 Gardens:

http://www.pleasantviewschool.com/me..._Surah_Al-Kahf

there are many areas that the good Doctor has spoken on:

http://www.pleasantviewschool.com/media/default.asp

it appears that Jamal has been re-posting everything, but i haven't asked why as of yet.

Mufti Menk has alot of lectures here:

http://www.muftimenk.co.za/Downloads.html

please listen to: Muslim Women! Are they Oppressed?

http://www.nazirakoob.com/menk/Vol1.html#Part8

for in-depth, Scholarly material, we have Dr Bilal Philips. he has a website here:

http://www.bilalphilips.com/index.php

there is a great series of lectures on the Foundations of Islamic Studies, found at the bottom of the video download page:

http://www.bilalphilips.com/bilal_pa...sk=view&id=288

i have it on 3dvds and it is in the packet i have that i can give you.

there are also, if you click the link to the Online Islamic University, some free courses:

http://www.islamiconlineuniversity.com/

click the free short courses:

http://www.islamiconlineuniversity.c...tpage&Itemid=1

and then the Free Courses Gallery:

http://www.islamiconlineuniversity.c...rses&Itemid=20

each course has some combo of Written work or audio or video. Dr Philips has a Phd in Islamic Studies and his knowledge is vast.

let me know if i can help you in any way. i also have a big collection of media on the JFK assassination, 9/11 and related topics.

:wa:
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caadam
11-03-2010, 06:41 PM
YusufNoor-

Close: Snohomish County. Haha. ;D I used to live right smack dab in the middle of the University District of Seattle. You can probably imagine...
Anyway, again, thank you for all these resources; I will check out every one of them. I will definitely reply back to you in the very near future about those DVDs and CDs you mentioned. Sounds interesting. This is all very helpful!
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YusufNoor
11-03-2010, 08:38 PM
:sl:


here's a list of local Mosques:

http://seattle.citysearch.com/listin...ues/82096_3832

there are 2 that are not on there. one on 19th Ave NE [which turns into 56th Ave W] and one on 25th Ave NE, both north of Ballinger Way. BOTH have minarets or domes, hard to miss. haven't been to the one in Lynnwood.

if you cannot make it Khalid's place, i could drive up on a weekend after Duhr, In Sha'a Allah. we have a HUGE Masjid in Tukwila on 99. it used to be giggles and a casino, it's now a Somali Masjid, Alhumdulillah!

i could make some 9/11 dvds for your folks, they might be surprised.

:wa:
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caadam
11-04-2010, 05:05 AM
I've been watching Khalid Yasin speak in some YouTube videos tonight. Amazing! I also found the Challenge Your Soul Website, too. This is great. :) So much to learn.
I'm extremely interested in visiting his center in the near future. I would have to take the bus, though; I don't drive, and even if I could I can't afford a car. lol I've been looking at bus schedules, though... it's only an hour-and-a-half bus ride. *shrugs*
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Rafeeq
11-04-2010, 07:03 AM
Welcome to IB and it is very pleasing knowing that you are understanding the true sprit of Islam, unlike what media portray about Islam.
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YusufNoor
11-04-2010, 05:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by caadam
Assalamu alaikum.

My name is Candice and I am a Christian. Well... I follow the scriptures of the bible, but truthfully I don't associate myself to Christianity in the mainstream. I don't even feel very comfortable calling myself a Christian, only because it tends to lead to a lot of stigma and assumptions about what I follow. People automatically think that I'm some bible-bashing Christian, or a half-hearted Christian.

i recognized faults in the scripture years ago and didn't refer to myself as a Christian. i tired to follow the Sunnah[Way] of Jesus and people just assumed i was a Jew.

I don't fit in with that crowd very much, mostly because I want to follow the traditions and customs of the churches in scripture. Such as... covering my head as a woman, being modest in clothing, having a meek and submissive spirit,

these are Islamic concepts also.

and respecting the authority of men as being teachers of the congregation. If I were to be a teacher, I would want to be a teacher to younger women and children; I wouldn't believe it my place to teach men.

these as well

Because of these things, I tend to get into many disagreements with Christian women in particular. :exhausted I don't try to, but I'm not willing to compromise customs for the sake of modern culture. Such things shouldn't change according to culture, I believe. There would be no spiritual meaning to them, then. At least that's what I believe.

we believe so as well!

I have been curious and wanting to learn more about Islam recently because of this, as well as a flyer I saw about Islam two weeks ago. It was called Muslims for Peace; I checked out the Website, because like the average person, I had my prejudices about Islam. Peaceful Muslims, right? I got the chance to read Q&A's with scripture from the Qu'ran. I was very taken back by the reality that my assumptions were way off from the truth about Islam. The truth being that Islam is to be a religion of peace and life for Allah every day.

With that being said, I'm very thankful to be on this board and get to talk to you all. I know not everyone here is Muslim, but I will definitely be asking questions and get involved. :)
:sl:

did you know, that instead of what you may have seen...oh, somewhere else, that Jesus, Peace be upon him AND his Mother, IS the Jewish Messiah in Islam?

while Muhammad ibn Abdullah, Peace be upon him, IS the final Messenger, as an Ummah [Nation], we are awaiting the return of Jesus, the son of Mary, May Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon both of them?

this is not conveyed the way it should be.

so like the way Jesus used to rush to the Temple as the Sabbath time came, healthy men must attend the Mosque for prayer! as Jesus only ate Kosher food, we only eat Halaal food [no pork!] as Jesus followed the 10 commandments, so do we! NO other nation observes the 10 Commandments like we, not even the Jews, they are a secular nation. and while there is no TRULY Islamic Country, those with some form of Shariah follow the 10 commandments pretty well. as i say, CLOSER than ANYONE!

AND we await Jesus' return! [Peace be upon him]

just some food for though!

:wa:
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جوري
11-05-2010, 03:04 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by YusufNoor
having a meek and submissive spirit,

I don't think having a meek submissive spirit is Islamic.. we have a dignified, elated spirit...


Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.


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aminahjaan
11-05-2010, 03:40 AM
Agreed! Meek and Submissive? There are so many muslims out there....we're not all meek and submissive, we're empowered yet classy and dignified! :)


However, I'm proud of your interest in Islam and I encourage you to find out more about it!
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YusufNoor
11-05-2010, 04:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ


I don't think having a meek submissive spirit is Islamic.. we have a dignified, elated spirit...


Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.


:sl:

please forgive me if i have offended you, sister. i cut the others sister's statement in half, it read:

I want to follow the traditions and customs of the churches in scripture. Such as... covering my head as a woman, being modest in clothing, having a meek and submissive spirit, and respecting the authority of men as being teachers of the congregation. If I were to be a teacher, I would want to be a teacher to younger women and children; I wouldn't believe it my place to teach men.

and it brought to mind the portion of the verse 4:43:

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.)

http://quran.com/4

and a few hadeeth as well:

Volume 8, Book 74, Number 273:

Narrated 'Aisha:

A group of Jews came to Allah's Apostle and said, "As-samu 'Alaika " (Death be on you), and I understood it and said to them, "Alaikum AsSamu wa-l-la'na (Death and curse be on you)." Allah's Apostle said, "Be calm! O 'Aisha, for Allah loves that one should be kind and lenient in all matters." I said. "O Allah's Apostle! Haven't you heard what they have said?" Allah's Apostle said, "I have (already) said (to them), 'Alaikum (upon you).' "

http://bukharishareef.blogspot.com/2...i-book-74.html


Volume 8, Book 73, Number 38:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "While a man was walking on a road. he became very thirsty. Then he came across a well, got down into it, drank (of its water) and then came out. Meanwhile he saw a dog panting and licking mud because of excessive thirst. The man said to himself "This dog is suffering from the same state of thirst as I did." So he went down the well (again) and filled his shoe (with water) and held it in his mouth and watered the dog. Allah thanked him for that deed and forgave him." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Is there a reward for us in serving the animals?" He said, "(Yes) There is a reward for serving any animate (living being) ."

http://bukharishareef.blogspot.com/2...i-book-73.html

we have a meek and submissive attitude to Allah and His Messenger. it is where we get our dignity. and Allah knows best!

:wa:
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caadam
11-05-2010, 04:44 AM
I like to say that I find no connection between meek and weak, as most people would like to connect. Just because they sound alike, it doesn't necessarily mean they relate. To be meek is to suffer without resentment, without hate. With that being said, I believe meekness takes a lot of strength. To have suffering in one's life and not hate whatever or whoever makes you suffer is something many people can't do. To be meek is to be strong.

As well, when I mean submissive, I mean respecting and honoring the authority of a husband. If I were to ever have a husband, my submission to him would be me having respect for him; to honor and glorify him as my husband and mate; to always trust his decisions as well as help him in his decisions.

That's what I mean by having a meek and submissive spirit.
:)
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caadam
11-05-2010, 05:24 AM
Side note: I would also add onto the authority of a husband, that of a father and mother too.
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جوري
11-05-2010, 09:22 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by YusufNoor
please forgive me if i have offended you, sister.

you never offend me akhi-- I owe a great deal of what I know especially as pertain to christianity to you.. Jazaka Allah khyran
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caadam
11-05-2010, 11:35 AM
I'm a bit confused on when to go to the Purpose of Life Center... YusufNoor, would you perhaps know? Because I would really like to go next week, but I just don't know when and at what time.
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YusufNoor
11-05-2010, 12:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by caadam
I'm a bit confused on when to go to the Purpose of Life Center... YusufNoor, would you perhaps know? Because I would really like to go next week, but I just don't know when and at what time.
:sl:

let me try to get there this weekend, i can get his cell number for you, In Sha'a Allah. the center is to be open at all times, Khalid's wife sells the media there [when Khalid isn't giving it away], and his mom works there as well! my buddy, Abu Bakr, works and lectures with him also. me, i'm ill, i just get around to what i can get around to.

so one can go anytime, but let's see if we can plan it for when Khalid is there. some people are afraid or uncomfortable dealing face to face with non Muslims, Brother Khalid lives for it!

I like to say that I find no connection between meek and weak, as most people would like to connect. Just because they sound alike, it doesn't necessarily mean they relate. To be meek is to suffer without resentment, without hate. With that being said, I believe meekness takes a lot of strength. To have suffering in one's life and not hate whatever or whoever makes you suffer is something many people can't do. To be meek is to be strong.
well said!

and i'm hoping that this didn't get lost in the shuffle:

did you know, that instead of what you may have seen...oh, somewhere else, that Jesus, Peace be upon him AND his Mother, IS the Jewish Messiah in Islam?

while Muhammad ibn Abdullah, Peace be upon him, IS the final Messenger, as an Ummah [Nation], we are awaiting the return of Jesus, the son of Mary, May Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon both of them?
:wa:
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caadam
11-05-2010, 08:26 PM
Thank you! I really appreciate it. :D I would go this week, but I don't have the money to. But next week I will. And that is wonderful that Khalid's family also help him in the center.
And I did see what you wrote about Jesus (pbuh). I've been reading the Qur'an so far, and I've already found mention of prophets from the Bible. I bet the average American who has never opened a Qur'an would never think that the greatest men from the Old Testament of the Bible are in the Qur'an as servants of God.
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Woodrow
11-05-2010, 08:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by caadam
Thank you! I really appreciate it. :D I would go this week, but I don't have the money to. But next week I will. And that is wonderful that Khalid's family also help him in the center.
And I did see what you wrote about Jesus (pbuh). I've been reading the Qur'an so far, and I've already found mention of prophets from the Bible. I bet the average American who has never opened a Qur'an would never think that the greatest men from the Old Testament of the Bible are in the Qur'an as servants of God.

Perhaps a few more surprises await you.

some Trivia

Jesus(as) is mentioned by name in the Qur'an more times than Muhammad(PBUH) is mentioned.

One of the longest surats (Chapters) is about Maryam (Mary)

The Qur'an speaks of miracles perormed through Jesus(as) that the bible does not mention.

The Qur'an has an entire chapter dealing with the equality and rights of women.
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caadam
11-05-2010, 09:06 PM
I've read a brief mention about the chapter about Mary. I am very excited to read it. But I didn't know about the miracles nor the chapter about women. Thank you, Woodrow, for mentioning it. I'll definitely be reading the Qur'an during the weekend.
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YusufNoor
11-06-2010, 04:26 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by caadam
Thank you! I really appreciate it. :D I would go this week, but I don't have the money to. But next week I will. And that is wonderful that Khalid's family also help him in the center.
And I did see what you wrote about Jesus (pbuh). I've been reading the Qur'an so far, and I've already found mention of prophets from the Bible. I bet the average American who has never opened a Qur'an would never think that the greatest men from the Old Testament of the Bible are in the Qur'an as servants of God.
:sl:

Abu Bakr called me a little while ago. he gave the kutbah [sermon, sort of] at the Community Center today, he did so because Khalid was invited to speak in Kansas City. last Jummuah, both Khalid and Abu Bakr went to Tacoma because some Christian brothers had some questions, they were invited to hear the kutbah and speak with Khalid afterward.

Khalid should be back by Sunday, i will try to talk with him then, In Sha'a Allah.

on Dr Bashar's website, he has a section on the Prophets mentioned in the Tanakh that are in the Qur'an [as well as some found just in the Qur'an]. i've downloaded it, but haven't burned it on mp3 disc yet. i'm hoping to get to it after i finish some TTC lectures i'm backed up on. i trust that the work is fine work:

http://www.pleasantviewschool.com/me...s%20of%20Quran

my [former]wife loved the set on Joseph, Yusuf. in fact, Jamal re-posted them after she complained about the sound. Bashar is really a beautiful speaker. the set entitled Stories from Surah Al-Kahf, i have heard and is stellar, with Owner of the 2 Gardens [NOT Owners of the Garden] holding the place of one of my favorite 5 lectures. the The Story of Musa (as) and Al-Khidr is also amazing and is a story NOT found in the Tanakh.

:wa:
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Insaanah
11-06-2010, 11:43 AM
Greetings Candice, and a belated welcome to the forum,

Here is another interesting fact - The way Muslims pray, although everyone sees it as very different, is actually not much different from the way the Biblical prophets (peace be upon them) prayed:

Muslims take off their shoes to pray...

"When he came to the Fire, a voice was uttered: O Moses! I am thy Lord, therefore put off thy shoes, for thou art in the sacred valley of Tuwa."-(Holy Qur'an 20:11-12).

(And God said to Moses), "Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground."-(Exodus 3:5, also Acts 7:33).

They make ablution, washing their faces, hands and feet...

"O you who believe! When you rise up to prayer, wash your faces and your hands as far as the elbows, and wipe your heads, and wash your feet to the ankles."-(Holy Qur'an 5:7)

"And Moses and Aaron and his sons washed their hands and their feet thereat; when they went into tent of the congregation they washed as the Lord commanded Moses."-(Exodus 40:31-32).

Muslims face a direction of prayer, The Great Mosque in Makkah, five times a day...

"So turn thy face toward the Sacred Mosque, and (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces toward it."- (Holy Qur'an 2:144).

"Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime."-(Daniel 6:10).

Bowing down and prostrating..

"O you who believe! Bow down and prostrate yourselves and serve your Lord, and do good that you may prosper."-(Holy Qur'an 22:77).

"And he (Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed..."-(Matthew 26:39).

"And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship..."-(Joshua 5:14).

"And he (Elijah) cast himself down upon the earth, and put his face between his knees."-(1 Kings 18:42).

"And they (Moses and Aaron) fell upon their faces..."-(Numbers 20:6).

"And Abraham fell on his face..."-(Genesis 17:3).

Muslims spread out their hands to God, asking forgiveness, seeking His blessings, beseeching His protection for mankind...

"Our Lord! Give us good in this world and good in the Hereafter, and defend us from the torment of the Fire."-(Holy Qur'an 2:201)

"...when Solomon had made an end of praying all this prayer and supplication unto the Lord, he arose from before the altar of the Lord, from kneeling on his knees with his hands spread up to heaven."-(1 Kings 8:54).

And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that Thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that Thou hast sent me.-(John 11:41-42).

It's a great feeling when you know that Muslims around the world, and the Prophets that came before Muhammad (peace be upon them all) prayed in the same way, and that you are following in their footsteps.

Also, here are a couple of links that I gave to sis Serena, that you may also find helpful:

www.muslimconverts.com

The above site has some good information for those interested in Islam, as well as covering practical issues and problems that those thinking of reverting to Islam may face, e.g. problems with family, no support nearby, a beginner's guide to prayer etc (all further down the main homepage).

And this one http://islamicpdf.blogspot.com/2009/...ew-muslim.html

although designed for new Muslims, it explains the main Islamic beliefs and creed very simply, for anyone interested in Islam.

I hope Allah makes things easy for you.

Peace.
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caadam
11-08-2010, 08:04 PM
Insaanah - Thank you for everything you wrote! I have been completely approached with so much information about Islam that I'm still trying to take it all in... it's a good approach, though. lol I'm very thankful.
YusufNoor - Well, I hope all was well with Khalid Yasin's visit. :) I have been checking out other sites that people have sent me on this thread so far, but today I will check out this new site you sent me.
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YusufNoor
11-09-2010, 03:09 AM
:sl:

i was too exhausted to make it to Khalid's yesterday [i have heart disease, so i try to rest on the w/e]; i was going to try today, but dispatch[Bo] glued me to Tukwila. that's not too bad, i live there. [fell asleep! ;D]

i made tomorrows sked with me having a pick up a couple of blocks from the community center :shade:, but Bo outranks me [he's the owner's brother]. he could change it :raging:

these shorter days make it hard to pray and Bo always freeks out, "but you just prayed an hour ago!" :exhausted
but at least Khalid's place is another option! alot of Mosques are locked except for prayer.


:wa:
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caadam
11-09-2010, 04:16 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by YusufNoor
:sl:

i was too exhausted to make it to Khalid's yesterday [i have heart disease, so i try to rest on the w/e]; i was going to try today, but dispatch[Bo] glued me to Tukwila. that's not too bad, i live there. [fell asleep! ;D]

i made tomorrows sked with me having a pick up a couple of blocks from the community center :shade:, but Bo outranks me [he's the owner's brother]. he could change it :raging:

these shorter days make it hard to pray and Bo always freeks out, "but you just prayed an hour ago!" :exhausted
but at least Khalid's place is another option! alot of Mosques are locked except for prayer.


:wa:

That's all right! You've already helped me discover a lot about Islam so far, and it's not too big of a deal. :) I'll be heading to the center later this week anyway, maybe on Thursday. I just have a question: Is there usually someone talking every day at the center, like a sermon or something? Or is it only on certain days?
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YusufNoor
11-09-2010, 03:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by caadam

That's all right! You've already helped me discover a lot about Islam so far, and it's not too big of a deal. :) I'll be heading to the center later this week anyway, maybe on Thursday. I just have a question: Is there usually someone talking every day at the center, like a sermon or something? Or is it only on certain days?
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ran into Abu Bakr at Fajr this morning, or rather he ran into me. i sent you Khalid's cell, i asked Abu Bakr to talk to him if he can. leave a message for him and tell him who you are and he will call you back, In Sha'a Allah.

i made you some 9/11 dvds this morning and i also found i could copy this dvd ebook of the Qur'an that you can play in a dvd player or on your pc. it has the complete Qur'an with English trabslation by Pickthall. i didn't know i could copy it. the menu is in Arabic, but you can count. i has one with Yusuf Ali that had the menu in English but i apparently gave it away...

regarding "sermons," Friday is Jummu'aah, at which we listen to a Kutbah [sermon] before we pray. at this point, it should either be Khalid or Abu Bakr. IF Khalid is there when you go, have a couple of topics in mind and Khalid can address them, a lecture just for you!

i'm off on Thursday, if you go to the Center, let me know and i will bring you a package of cds. dvds and mp3 discs. i also have a good English translation of the Qu'ran that has a little history and a topical index in the back. it's my last one, but you can have it if you want as i need to order order more anyway.

if you can go, either Thursday of Friday, DO let Khalid know so he can plan on meeting you. if he can't be there, i can try to bring Abu Bakr, In Sha'a Allah.

and if you want to hear a good lecture:

Dr Bahsar Shala "reflects" on the section below from Al Kahf, Surah 18 in the lecture, Owner of the 2 Gardens:

http://www.pleasantviewschool.com/me..._Surah_Al-Kahf

18:32
And put forward to them the example of two men; unto one of them We had given two gardens of grapes, and We had surrounded both with date-palms; and had put between them green crops (cultivated fields etc.).
18:33
Each of those two gardens brought forth its produce, and failed not in the least therein, and We caused a river to gush forth in the midst of them.
18:34
And he had property (or fruit) and he said to his companion, in the course of mutual talk: I am more than you in wealth and stronger in respect of men." [See Tafsir Qurtubi, Vol. 10, Page 403].
18:35
And he went into his garden while in a state (of pride and disbelief) unjust to himself. He said: "I think not that this will ever perish.
18:36
"And I think not the Hour will ever come, and if indeed I am brought back to my Lord, (on the Day of Resurrection), I surely shall find better than this when I return to Him."
18:37
His companion said to him, during the talk with him: "Do you disbelieve in Him Who created you out of dust (i.e. your father Adam), then out of Nutfah (mixed semen drops of male and female discharge), then fashioned you into a man?
18:38
"But as for my part (I believe) that He is Allah, my Lord and none shall I associate as partner with my Lord.
18:39
It was better for you to say, when you entered your garden: 'That which Allah wills (will come to pass)! There is no power but with Allah '. If you see me less than you in wealth, and children.
18:40
"It may be that my Lord will give me something better than your garden, and will send on it Husban (torment, bolt, etc.) from the sky, then it will be a slippery earth.
18:41
"Or the water thereof (of the gardens) becomes deep-sunken (underground) so that you will never be able to seek it."
18:42
So his fruits were encircled (with ruin). And he remained clapping his hands with sorrow over what he had spent upon it, while it was all destroyed on its trellises, he could only say: "Would I had ascribed no partners to my Lord!" [Tafsir Ibn Kathir]
18:43
And he had no group of men to help him against Allah, nor could he defend or save himself.
18:44
There (on the Day of Resurrection), Al-Walayah (the protection, power, authority and kingdom) will be for Allah (Alone), the True God. He (Allah) is the Best for reward and the Best for the final end. (La ilaha ill-Allah none has the right to be worshipped but Allah).
18:45
And put forward to them the example of the life of this world, it is like the water (rain) which We send down from the sky, and the vegetation of the earth mingles with it, and becomes fresh and green. But (later) it becomes dry and broken pieces, which the winds scatter. And Allah is Able to do everything.
18:46
Wealth and children are the adornment of the life of this world. But the good righteous deeds (five compulsory prayers, deeds of Allah's obedience, good and nice talk, remembrance of Allah with glorification, praises and thanks, etc.), that last, are better with your Lord for rewards and better in respect of hope.
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