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languagemaniac
11-11-2010, 09:22 PM
Repentance (Al-Tauba)

9. 5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and pay Zakat, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.

Sura 8.12 "Remember thy lord has inspired the angels with the message. Give firmness to the believers and instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite the fingertips of them."

on the other hand , in another verse it says:

There is no compulsion in Religion.

this is not a contradiction? and why it is compulsory to regular prayers and zekat?:hmm:
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aadil77
11-11-2010, 09:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by languagemaniac
Repentance (Al-Tauba)

9. 5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and pay Zakat, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.

Sura 8.12 "Remember thy lord has inspired the angels with the message. Give firmness to the believers and instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite the fingertips of them."

on the other hand , in another verse it says:

There is no compulsion in Religion.

this is not a contradiction? and why it is compulsory to regular prayers and zekat?:hmm:
Why have you quoted verse 8:12, what has it got to do with your question?

No compulsion in religion means you don't force someone to accept a religion, if you accept islam you have to accept all the commands of Allah that come with it
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أحمد
11-11-2010, 09:44 PM
:sl:

Surah at-Tawbah (9) start's in reference to the treaty between the Muslims and the makkans; the makkans were misusing the authority afforded to them.

:wa:
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Perseveranze
11-12-2010, 12:38 AM
Read this islamtomorrow.com/kill.asp

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One of these is the verse: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them and beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war). But if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them, for Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful.” [Surah al-Tawbah: 5]

Some people – especially some contemporary non-Muslim critics of Islam – have tried to claim that this verse abrogates the verse “Let there be no compulsion in religion.” They argue that the generality of this statement implies that every unbeliever who refuses to accept Islam must be fought. They support their allegation by pointing out that this verse is one of the last verses to be revealed about fighting.

However, this verse in no way abrogates the principle in Islamic Law that there is no compulsion in religion. It may be general in wording, but its meaning is quite specific on account of other verses of the Quran that are connected with it as well as on account of a number of pertinent hadîth. We will be discussing these texts shortly.

The people being referred to by this verse are the pagan Arabs who had been waging war against the Prophet (peace be upon him) and who had broken their covenant and treaties with him. This verse is not speaking about the other pagan Arabs who did not break their treaties and take up arms against the Muslims. It is also most definitely not speaking about the Jews or Christians, or, for that matter, the pagans who were living outside of Arabia.

If we look at the verses in Surah al-Tawbah immediately before and after the one under discussion, the context of the verse becomes clear.

A few verses before the one we are discussing, Allah says: “There is a declaration of immunity from Allah and His Messenger to those of the pagans with whom you have contracted mutual alliances. Go then, for four months, to and fro throughout the land. But know that you cannot frustrate Allah that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.” [Surah al-Tawbah: 1-2]

In these verses we see that the pagans were granted a four month amnesty with an indication that when the four months were over, fighting would resume. However, a following verse exempts some of them from the resumption of hostilities. It reads: “Except for those pagans with whom you have entered into a covenant and who then do not break their covenant at all nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill your engagements with them until the end of their term, for Allah loves the righteous.” [Surah al-Tawbah: 4]

So when Allah says: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them and beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)”, we must know that it is not general, since the verse above has qualified it to refer to the pagan Arabs who were actually at war with the Prophet (peace be upon him) and those who broke their covenants of peace.

This is further emphasized by a few verses later where Allah says: “Will you not fight people who broke their covenants and plotted to expel the Messenger and attacked you first?” [Surah al-Tawbah: 13]

Ibn al-Arabi, in his commentary on the Quran, writes: “It is clear from this that the meaning of this verse is to kill the pagans who are waging war against you.” [Ahkam al-Quran: (2/456)]

Allah also say right after the verse under discussion: “How can there be a covenant before Allah and His Messenger with the pagans except those with whom you have made a treaty near the Sacred Mosque? As long as they stand true to you, stand true to them, for Allah does love the righteous.” [Surah al-Tawbah: 7]
No where in the Quran are you allowed to Kill/fight unless if it's in self defense. People take verses out of context (usually anti-Islam) and say Islam is a religion of bloodshed.

Yet they don't realise all the wars during Muhammed(pbuh) time were fought out of self defense. Muhammed(pbuh) had alot of enemies, alot of Leaders tried to have him assasinated - I mean, here is a man who has started to preach a message from God and is getting a quick following and all this is in the midths of Christian/Jew/Idoltry worshipers, who were too ignorant and didn't believe him. So ofcourse people weren't going to allow Muhammed(pbuh) to continue spreading the message of God, and if Muhammed(pbuh) did not fight back (in defence) him and his followers would have been dead and the sacred message wouldn't have been delivered.

Some people need to use a bit of common sense. God is All Knowing, he knows how humans will react to such things. Islam will always be oppressed by the oppressers, and if worst comes to worst, it's our duty to not just sit back and fall.

Self Defense, remember that -

“Allah forbids you not with regard to those who neither fight against you for your faith nor drive you out of your homes from dealing kindly and justly with them, for Allah loves those who are just.” [Surah al-Mumtahanah: 9-10]

“Argue with the People of the Scripture in the best manner except those among them who act oppressively. Say: We believe in the revelation that has come down to us and in that which came down to you. Our God and your God is one, and it is to Him we submit ourselves as Muslims.” [Surah al-Ankabût: 46]

The Prophet (peace be upon him) gave a stern warning to us against killing a non-Muslim with whom we are at peace. He said: “Whoever kills one with whom we have a covenant will not smell the scent of Paradise.” [Sahih Muslim]
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أحمد
11-12-2010, 12:51 AM
:sl:

The question was previously answered here.

:wa:
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peaceandlove
12-18-2010, 10:25 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by languagemaniac
Repentance (Al-Tauba)

9. 5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and pay Zakat, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.

Sura 8.12 "Remember thy lord has inspired the angels with the message. Give firmness to the believers and instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite the fingertips of them."

on the other hand , in another verse it says:

There is no compulsion in Religion.

this is not a contradiction? and why it is compulsory to regular prayers and zekat?:hmm:
I think the answer can be given by simple example

Suppose you in any country other then USA, now you went to USA , after going to USA you found that the people drive vehicle right hand but in your country people drive vehicles left hand.

Now tell me what you do, in order to drive in USA you must have to drive right hand other wise if you don't drive. If you don't abide the laws you will be punish , tell me why you will get punish? because that create too much disturbense in society.

Similarly if any body accept Islam , he had to follow the rules?

Not a perfect example but might give you an idea.
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