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Godel escher
I would point out that your premise is faulty and already biased.
Anyway, The answer would be no.
Then I would like to ask you a question in return. Please do the same; answer each of the questions in a simple yes or no.
Imagine this situation:
If you chop your one arm off, would you still be yourself?
Well then two arms?
Your legs?
Your eyes?
Your ears?
Your head?
Would you still be yourself?
Are the characteristics and functions of the parts of your body same as your whole body?
Is the sum of characteristics and functions of the parts the same as the whole?
Is the characteristics and functions of the universe the same as its parts?
Then:
Is the characteristics and functions of the universe the same as your well designed wooden box?
The sum of parts does not always equal the whole. Just because some wooden box is created by humans does not mean the universe is created too. To think so is a logical fallacy. The universe is so old, vast and grand ;It cannot be even comprehended fully by our minds; Even human beings are insignificant in comparison to it. A wooden box made by human beings? ... Hmm
Bismellah Tawakkalna ala Allah wa laa hawla wa laa qowata illa beIllah
Sub`haan Allah...
I too would point out that your premise is faulty and already biased not completely but it needs to be rewritten and corrected.
anyway:
Yes, I will be my self; the same me but have lost some of my limbs and organs and that would make my body lose some of its characteristics and functions which gone with what I lost and that won`t change that my whole body with its organs and everything in it had been created by The Creator...
and Surely, I will be my self and will still a creature of the One who created me whether with one leg or no eyes...
everything has its own characteristics and functions and whether it lost it or not; its creator will be existed and the same...
All Praise be to Allah the One Who created you...
my respected brother don`t forget that the whole get affected and lose some of its characteristics when losing some of its parts...and what gave the whole its characteristics and functions? but the parts which make up that whole...this is when we talk about the creation and created things...
parts are needed to make the whole whole...and the whole won`t be whole if losing one of its parts...
but we can`t say this about the real Creator of the everything and everyone because Allah is whole by Himself and what He had created and still creating are not part of Him at all , thats why no matter how changes will be in what He created; He will still the same and nothing would cahnge Allah from His creation...unlike the universe if it would lose something it would change ..imagine losing the sun...then what would happen to the universe? many things would happen...but what would happen to Allah Who created it and the whole universe ...of course nothing even if the whole universe disappeared...cause He Is The Real Creator and nothing and none like Him...all Praise and Glory be to Allah...
your premise is : if the parts of the whole are created then it is not necesary for the whole to be created cause the parts don`t have the same characteristics and functions of the whole...
your premise will be %100 right and true if you would differentiate between The Creator of the worlds which this universe and its parts are not a part of Him at all but His creation, unlike the body and its parts and the universe and its parts...
and neither the body created its parts by its own nor the universe created its parts by its own; they are all created by Allah and His commandments my respected brother Who created you and your fingers which typed the above reply...
Allah knows if you will understand what I typed above cause you strongly do not believe in it and Allah knows if you will understand the following verses or not... May Allah make you understand them and lead your way to the path of the endless happiness...Aameen
Allah says:
"Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of night and day, and the ships which run upon the sea with that which is of use to men, and the water which Allah sendeth down from the sky, thereby reviving the earth after its death, and dispersing all kinds of beasts therein, and (in) the ordinance of the winds, and the clouds obedient between heaven and earth: are signs (of Allah's Sovereignty) for people who have sense. (164)" Surat Al Baqarah.
"O mankind! if ye are in doubt concerning the Resurrection, then lo! We have created you from dust, then from a drop of seed, then from a clot, then from a little lump of flesh shapely and shapeless, that We may make (it) clear for you. And We cause what We will to remain in the wombs for an appointed time, and afterward We bring you forth as infants, then (give you growth) that ye attain your full strength. And among you there is he who dieth (young), and among you there is he who is brought back to the most abject time of life, so that, after knowledge, he knoweth naught. And thou (Muhammad) seest the earth barren, but when We send down water thereon, it doth thrill and swell and put forth every lovely kind (of growth). (5)" Surat Al Hajj.
"Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth and (in) the difference of night and day are tokens (of His Sovereignty) for men of understanding, (190)" Surat Aal Imraan.
"Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; (12) Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; (13) Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators! (14) Then lo! after that ye surely die. (15) Then lo! on the Day of Resurrection ye are raised (again). (16) And We have created above you seven paths, and We are never unmindful of creation. (17)And we send down from the sky water in measure, and We give it lodging in the earth, and lo! We are Able to withdraw it. (18) Then We produce for you therewith gardens of date-palms and grapes, wherein is much fruit for you and whereof ye eat; (19) And a tree that springeth forth from Mount Sinai that groweth oil and relish for the eaters. (20) And lo! in the cattle there is verily a lesson for you. We give you to drink of that which is in their bellies, and many uses have ye in them, and of them do ye eat; (21) And on them and on the ship ye are carried. (22)" Surat Al Mu`minun.
got nothing to say but Sub`haan Allah indeed Sub`haan Allah...