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tigerkhan
02-23-2011, 12:43 PM
:sl:
ok i am posting it here bcz maybe for some its like a joke. lol .. but i want to know the reality in that.
actually my elder bro like wrestling so much, but i say i dont blv and its just camera effect. but he say its live and in reality. they beat one another that much and they have too much stamina. what do u ppl think ??? is this in real.
2ndly i am never been attached to movies. but i know how shameless they act on screen and all world see this, mean kissing hugging etc. so i am thinking is this also a reality or just a camera trick........ if its a reality than i am amazed. how ppl used to say i like katrina, amir khan etc..... they are such a shameless people and ppl used to praise them...astagfurallah.
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Innocent Soul
02-23-2011, 01:23 PM
^ Some people will become used to seeing that kind of stuff and they will no longer feel any sort of shame. They start thinking that all people watch movies why we can't see. It is as if they are saying the whole world is going to hell why can't we. We should tell them in a friendly way that these things are wrong. We should try our best and leave the matter to Allah.
I hope these might help you about wrestling.

http://islam-qa.com/en/ref/10238/
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~Raindrop~
02-23-2011, 01:27 PM
Most wrestling is faked. No one can have chairs tables n whatnot bashed on their head, or be slammed head-first onto the floor and be fine after a bit. I don't get what's so interesting about watching a bunch of men in their underpants throwing each other around :hmm:
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tigerkhan
02-23-2011, 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by
Most wrestling is faked.
mean i was right.
and about movies what u ppl says. is it also fake or real???
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titus
02-23-2011, 03:43 PM
Wrestling is fake in that there is no real competition. It is choreographed beforehand, and the winner and loser are decided before the match even starts.

That being said, professional wrestling does require a lot of stamina and tolerance of pain. While many of the moves are made to look more painful than they really are, and there is a lot of acting going on, the strength and athletic ability needed to pull those moves off is amazing.
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ardianto
02-23-2011, 04:20 PM
Originally Posted by tigerkhan
mean i was right.
and about movies what u ppl says. is it also fake or real???
Many actions in movies are fake, even impossible to do in the real world.
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IbnAbdulHakim
02-23-2011, 04:26 PM
lol of course its all fake bro.


fake - shameless - islamless - imaanless -


the list goes on and on, yet it falls upon our eyes - ears and weakens our hearts


audhubillah
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ardianto
02-23-2011, 05:23 PM
Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
lol of course its all fake bro.


fake - shameless - islamless - imaanless -


the list goes on and on, yet it falls upon our eyes - ears and weakens our hearts


audhubillah
Actions that I mean is not acting, but actions in 'action movies' such as fight, shot, race on the street, etc.
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tigerkhan
02-24-2011, 01:45 PM
ok if they are fake, even then ppl all over the world see this. and they feel so shame rather they are proud of it. its so stupid.
anyway jazakallah for ur replies.
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Dagless
02-24-2011, 02:00 PM
Originally Posted by tigerkhan
ok if they are fake, even then ppl all over the world see this. and they feel so shame rather they are proud of it. its so stupid.
anyway jazakallah for ur replies.
Shame about what? If a movie is real then it's a documentary or the news. Films being mostly fiction is a given. People watch them for entertainment.
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tigerkhan
02-24-2011, 02:38 PM
Originally Posted by
People watch them for entertainment.
they need to strength eman. hopefully then they find no joy or entertainment in it. people at time of Prophet PBUH times spent all their night in standing in front of ALLAH SWT in salat and Dhikar, and we dont find any interest in this. lack of eman.
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
02-24-2011, 09:53 PM
Originally Posted by tigerkhan
:sl:
ok i am posting it here bcz maybe for some its like a joke. lol .. but i want to know the reality in that.
actually my elder bro like wrestling so much, but i say i dont blv and its just camera effect. but he say its live and in reality. they beat one another that much and they have too much stamina. what do u ppl think ??? is this in real.
2ndly i am never been attached to movies. but i know how shameless they act on screen and all world see this, mean kissing hugging etc. so i am thinking is this also a reality or just a camera trick........ if its a reality than i am amazed. how ppl used to say i like katrina, amir khan etc..... they are such a shameless people and ppl used to praise them...astagfurallah.
Assalaamu Alaaykum

The reality ofcourse is that is is all fake, as there is no reward in the hereafter for watching some movie about fakeness or boxing as mentioned by many, what benefit is there about throwing someone about? These people follow their desires, they are those who believe they will remain in the dunya forever, it is sad ofcourse but that is reality. Indeed Allaah guides whom he wills and indeed we have the ability to do as much as we are able to, make Du'aa for those who are the misguided, because Hell and heaven is also reality.

Those actors on Tv have no shame ofcourse and its all for entertainment etc, it is reality because they do actually perform those filthy acts on screen and its fake because they're committing acts with those whom they are not related to in any way, for example actors who are married do shameless stuff with those who are nor their spouse etc etc.

Islamically ofcourse this is wrong, but for those people it proves they have no morals, no shame, and it is 'normal' for them, they dont look at it differently.

Subhaan'Allaah if only they knew of the real reality, may Allaah guide the lost to the path of light and happiness Ameen

peace
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Ali Mujahidin
02-26-2011, 10:03 AM
Professional wrestling is not real. It is all well-choreographed acting. Seriously, if they actually did what you thought you saw them do, they would have been killed. No question about it.
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Muhaba
02-26-2011, 11:34 AM
it isn't fake. they really kiss and hug in movies. they are a shameless people. some actors / actresses are married (to ppl other than the ones they kiss and hug on tv), yet there spouses don't seem to mind what they do on screen. talk about immoral!
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Seventytwo
02-27-2011, 11:04 PM
The movies are not real. The saying, "Only in the movies", conveys the idea that movies are usually outrageous and filled with fantasy. Action movies in particular... Professional wrestling is "fake", although the wrestlers really are hitting each other pretty hard, it is all just an act for entertainment.

While the movies are not real, the stuff the actors must do to create the movie is very real. Two actors who might kiss on screen may be married to other people. It is one of those uncomfortable things that comes with the profession, and many relationships in Hollywood have been ruined by on-screen kissing or sex scenes. I would imagine that most actors do feel uncomfortable doing scenes like this if they are married or in a relationship with another person, but it is just their job, and if everyone involved keeps that in mind, much of the interpersonal problems are avoided.

I think, also, that a huge difference here lies in culture... Hollywood is one of the most liberal places in the US, and even here, many conservative people strongly disagree with some of the stuff Hollywood portrays to the world. There are a lot of people here who feel that those in Hollywood have loose morals as well, and it is reasonable to question whether or not Hollywood should be portraying some of the stuff it does. Keep in mind that they would not portray the stuff if it didn't appeal to people (or to some aspect of human nature), and that it is, in the end, just a movie...
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Seventytwo
02-27-2011, 11:13 PM
Originally Posted by muhaba
it isn't fake. they really kiss and hug in movies. they are a shameless people. some actors / actresses are married (to ppl other than the ones they kiss and hug on tv), yet there spouses don't seem to mind what they do on screen. talk about immoral!
Not that I am defending this or saying that being sexual with someone other than your spouse is okay, but hopefully I can explain that the attitude there is that it is not immoral if that's just part of your job. The fact that the actors have to portray a loving embrace (a hug, for example) doesn't mean they really have loving feelings towards that person or that they want to cheat on their spouse with that person, it is just part of the acting profession, just as people who dance with a parter must be very close while they are dancing. I would agree, however, that if the two actors started being sexual off-screen, then it would be very immoral and would hurt their respective spouses.

I mean, doctors touch people and do things that in any normal setting would be considered very inappropriate, but because it is there job, society gives it an exception. Granted, acting and being a doctor are very different, but I'm just trying to give another example of how when it is a part of the job, it's not really seen as bad.

Good thread, though! I've never really thought about this! Interesting...
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IbnAbdulHakim
02-27-2011, 11:19 PM
^ but seventytwo, doesnt it hurt to see the one you love "acting" kisses and such? To me adultery is the physical intimacy between a man and a woman who are not partners. On screen, off screen, acting or not, it makes no difference.


It will burn me up and leave me in ashes to see that of my own sister/mother/cousin let alone my wife.

I would never ever want to see my sister kiss someone, we have private rooms for such things, why must it be displayed so freely onscreen
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Ghazalah
02-27-2011, 11:25 PM
Originally Posted by Seventytwo
I can explain that the attitude there is that it is not immoral if that's just part of your job.
Why would anyone agree to their wife to be touched, hugged, kissed, gaining pleasure by any other man other than themselves? Immoral or not, it's sick. Don't these people have shame? Knowing that their wife is having it off with someone else, whether it's intentional or not (acting) it's still happened and it can cause to feelings for one another and then destruction to the couples REAL relationship.
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Neelofar
02-27-2011, 11:32 PM
In a nutshell, it's all fake..
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Perseveranze
02-27-2011, 11:53 PM
Asalaamu ALaikum,

Nope, it's all fake :)
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R Khan
02-28-2011, 12:09 AM
WWE and all those other typical wrestling programmes are all faked - in the sense that it isn't really a sport, but an "entertainment" hence World Wrestling Entertainment or w/e. The only reason most people watch it is because of the drama (and I've started watching again because The Rock is back xD) You should watch MMA if you want something real lol.

And those bollywood actors and such you have touched on are very amusing; people will do anything for money.
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CosmicPathos
02-28-2011, 12:29 AM
Originally Posted by Seventytwo
Not that I am defending this or saying that being sexual with someone other than your spouse is okay, but hopefully I can explain that the attitude there is that it is not immoral if that's just part of your job. The fact that the actors have to portray a loving embrace (a hug, for example) doesn't mean they really have loving feelings towards that person or that they want to cheat on their spouse with that person, it is just part of the acting profession, just as people who dance with a parter must be very close while they are dancing. I would agree, however, that if the two actors started being sexual off-screen, then it would be very immoral and would hurt their respective spouses.

I mean, doctors touch people and do things that in any normal setting would be considered very inappropriate, but because it is there job, society gives it an exception. Granted, acting and being a doctor are very different, but I'm just trying to give another example of how when it is a part of the job, it's not really seen as bad.

Good thread, though! I've never really thought about this! Interesting...
comparing medicine with hollywood? great.

A doctor doesnt touch patient's genitals or breasts because he loves to .... the patient wants help and has given the doctor the permission to touch those areas because if the doctor would not, the patient could die of the underlying disease.

What disease the people have which can be diagnosed if they kissed each other on the screen?

Atheistic idiocy makes me laugh.
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Ali Mujahidin
02-28-2011, 01:07 AM
If you want to have a better idea of how Americans like to be entertained, watch the 'Spartacus' TV series by Starz. Watch it with care, though.

The argument that actors touch each other, besides doing so many other haram things, because that's their job, is very ridiculous. In Thailand, prostitutes sell their bodies because that is their profession. They do it to earn money to feed themselves and their children. Sometimes, even their lazy, good-for-nothing, leech-like husbands. Does that make prostitution acceptable?

The point I am trying to make is:
1. Doing anything for any reason other than to seek Allah's blessing is to do something that will not be accepted by Allah.
2. There are so many, many different ways of earning a halal income. Unless you don't want to.
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IAmZamzam
02-28-2011, 02:06 AM
Agh, I shouldn't even be on here, but the information must be conveyed.

The way that Hulk Hogan put it, "Wrestling isn't fake, it's predetermined." Explaining all about how it works would strain my fingers to the point of agony. Suffice to say some of the violence is real but all of the violence is exaggerated or "sold". If you think they don't get hurt, try telling that to Owen Hart. Oh, that's right, to do so you would need the help of Dr. Frankenstein, because Hart died doing a wrestling stunt and he's not alone. Wrestlers have so much stamina because they need to in order to wrestle 300 days a year. They're the toughest people out there.

Movie stunt people sometimes die, too, and the actors can be considerably hurt or killed. Again, I shouldn't be typing, just look up the various on-set accidents of The Wizard of Oz, or John Landis's infamously fatal treatment of his actors during his segment of the Twilight Zone film, and there's plenty more where that came from. Some stunts are quite real and notoriously dangerous or harmful. Jackie Chan is a living, breathing example. As for the sexual stuff it's faked too outside of hardcore porn, and the method varies: it can be anything from camera tricks with body doubles to full on making out with the man naked except for a sock over his genitals. Only documentaries are fully real, and even those sometimes present disinformation or use deceptive editing (*cough*Michael Moore*cough*).
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abu198890
02-28-2011, 02:11 AM
The Iron Sheik dropped the belt to Hogan at msg. That was fake. If it was a real wrestling match, the Iron Sheik would have killed him.
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'Abd Al-Maajid
02-28-2011, 02:25 AM
WWE is mostly fake.

Movies are all fake, even if it's based on a true story or incident it is written by skilled writer.
Originally Posted by tigerkhan
but i know how shameless they act on screen and all world see this, mean kissing hugging etc. so i am thinking is this also a reality or just a camera trick
But yes, all the shameless actions they do in movies are real...Audhbillah Naudhbillah.

Originally Posted by tigerkhan
how ppl used to say i like katrina, amir khan etc..... they are such a shameless people and ppl used to praise them...astagfurallah.
And yes, most people find their idols in the mainstream artists. They are shameless and have got nothing good in their lives to do. Although I like Aamir Khan and his movies that doesn't make me shameless :p
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Seventytwo
02-28-2011, 03:05 AM
Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
^ but seventytwo, doesnt it hurt to see the one you love "acting" kisses and such? To me adultery is the physical intimacy between a man and a woman who are not partners. On screen, off screen, acting or not, it makes no difference.


It will burn me up and leave me in ashes to see that of my own sister/mother/cousin let alone my wife.

I would never ever want to see my sister kiss someone, we have private rooms for such things, why must it be displayed so freely onscreen
Originally Posted by Ghazalah
Why would anyone agree to their wife to be touched, hugged, kissed, gaining pleasure by any other man other than themselves? Immoral or not, it's sick. Don't these people have shame? Knowing that their wife is having it off with someone else, whether it's intentional or not (acting) it's still happened and it can cause to feelings for one another and then destruction to the couples REAL relationship.
Totally agree, guys. I'd have a real hard time with it, even if it were just a job and doing it to make a living. Definitely would not want to see any of my family doing that either... I was just trying to explain the rationale behind it. I suppose the people in Hollywood are more okay with it or more used to it than others. Like I said, I'm not defending it...
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Seventytwo
02-28-2011, 03:17 AM
Originally Posted by mad_scientist
comparing medicine with hollywood? great.

A doctor doesnt touch patient's genitals or breasts because he loves to .... the patient wants help and has given the doctor the permission to touch those areas because if the doctor would not, the patient could die of the underlying disease.

What disease the people have which can be diagnosed if they kissed each other on the screen?

Atheistic idiocy makes me laugh.

1) This has nothing to do with atheism. Only culture differences...

2) I have had physicals (as have many many many other people) where I am perfectly healthy, but the doc is just checking up on me. Everyone is okay with that, and we're all PAYING the doctor to do it! Why is it okay there? I already knew I was in good health, I just had to get an exam so I could play soccer for my school. Does that make me a *****? Allowing someone to touch me, so I can prove I'm healthy enough to play a sport? Does allowing someone to touch me so I can get what I want make me a horrible person?

3) I would wager that most on screen sexual scenes are uncomfortable for all parties involved... They probably don't WANT to do the scene, but they do it anyway because they want to get a paycheck. The doctor probably doesn't WANT to have to examine me (and I certainly dont WANT to get examined...), but he wants to get paid as well, and I want to be able to play soccer...

I'm just trying to point out that issues like this are not cut-and-dry. They are not black and white... There are significant grey areas, in which sometimes it is okay to touch someone, and in other times it is not. I'm not really advocating for any situation here, merely asking the question: When and why is that okay? When and why is it not?
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Seventytwo
02-28-2011, 03:20 AM
Excuse me... didn't realize that would be edited out. I was asking if it made me similar to a prostitute to do that. Doing something just to get what I want...
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