Originally Posted by Woodrow
What puzzles me about Jesus' (as) parentage according to the Bible is Luke 3:23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph
, the son of Heli The American Standard version has "being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph" If the Bible is the inspired Word of God, how can there be any supposition in the parentage of Jesus (as) particularly when it disagrees with the doctrine of the virgin birth?
The full blast Mary veneration came into being in 1858 with the visions seen by Bernadette at Lourdes. It reached it's peak with Fatima in 1917.
What do you think the visions or apparitions were manifestations of? Could they have been jinn?
It was during these periods of time when the Church dogma came about that Mary remained a virgin and had no other children. Mary was born without sin and Mary ascended directly into heaven without an earthly death.
It was only recently that I learned that the "Immaculate Conception" applied to Mary meaning that she was born without Original Sin so that she could be the Mother of God, else the sin of Adam would pass down to God. It seems that church doctrine has evolved to allow for a lot of things that do not make sense, neither are they supported by the Bible.
Add to this we have her being crowned the Queen of heaven and being an intercessor for humans. Mary is actually being elevated from initially being the Surrogate Mother of Jesus to being the Mother of God to Being the Queen of heaven and being able to intercede for human's and gain forgiveness of sins for us. Mary is becoming very similar to the Protestant view of Jesus. If the trend continues the Trinity may eventually become a Quadrangle unless they fire the Holy Ghost who does not seem to have much of a job in Catholicism.
Hmmm, a thought just hit me. Wonder where I read that Christians were accused of worshiping Mary?
That is the first time I ever read or heard about Mary being the Queen of Heaven. I had thought as a protestant that having statues of the Madonna (Mary) and crucifix (Jesus (as) on the cross) were idolatry. I had a great aunt that was married to a Catholic and in their home was the only place I ever saw these two figures. I also see praying to Mary even in the role of intercessor is an act of worship reserved for Allah (swt). So your final point is that for all practical purposes the Catholics worship Jesus, Mary and the Father (in that order), but then again for their confessional they also take their priest as a god when they say in their confessional, "Father, forgive me for I have sinned..."