Muslim worlds problems

[Obdo]

Hello dear brothers and sisters.

I have for long time thinking about all the problems in the mulsim world.

Indonesia, the most muslim populated country in the world. There is so many human disasters there. Sunami flooding, forest fires, and bomb attacks. All this take 1000 of life’s.

Pakistan (the clean country) So many Earth quick, bomb attacks, and flooding in the highland.
All this take 1000 of life’s.

Iran, eart quick in Bar,, the hole city destroyed. many bomb attacks, All this take 1000 of life’s.

Iraq, A lot of fighta between muslims and shia muslims. many bomb attacks.
All this take 1000 of life’s.

Palestina, how can all those muslims suffering to be living under this circumstances.
1000 of life’s lost during the years.

Egypt, Several bomb attacks, and the late revolution which dismissed Mubarak.
Why do the egyptians have a president they do not like ?

Libya, Why do the people have a leader who kills parts of the muslim population.

Question; Why do Allah accept his people,, the muslims to suffer such disaster as listed above.

May be Allah is not satisfied with his peoples acting’s on this earth and will in this way punish tha muslims.

May be the muslims do not understand Allahs messages given.

Maybe the muslims should stop and think about their actions.

Maybe the muslims shoult evaluate if they are enough kindly and tolerant against the non islamic world?

[MartyrX]

Their are natural disasters all over the world. Was Katrina a warning from Allah? What about the earthquake in New Zealand or the ones in Arkansas?

[glo]

With every disaster there are those who say it was a warning/punishment from God.
Sadly, it can then lead to particular groups of people being blamed for the problem - and that's a dangerous business!

I don't think it's for us to make such claims.
Allahu Alim

[Nur Student]

Question; Why do Allah accept his people,, the muslims to suffer such disaster as listed above.

Just as the requital for big mistakes and crimes is postponed and made in big centres, and the requital for small crimes is made quickly in small centres, as a consequence of an important instance of wisdom, the recompense of the greater part of the unbelievers’ crimes is postponed to the Last Judgement, while the punishment for the believers’ faults is in part given in this world.

Furthermore, in abandoning an abrogated and corrupted religion, people like the Russians do not incur Divine wrath to the extent of those who betray a true and eternal religion which may not be abrogated. Thus, the earth leaves them at present, and displays its anger towards those here.

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[ardianto]

Maybe the muslims shoult evaluate if they are enough kindly and tolerant against the non islamic world?

Shortly after the the 9/11 event, U.S. government put Indonesian citizens in USA on the list of suspected people. And they made difficulty in making visa for Indonesian citizens who wanted to visit America.

At the same time, Indonesia was opening the door widely for Americans who wanted to visit, welcoming them friendly, and even gave them security guarantee.

So, who is more tolerant? :)

[WarriorforMarie]

Everywhere in the world is prone to some form of natural disaster. I don't think that a thorough examination would indicate that any particular place/country/people are being punished. The United States suffers the same sort of natural disasters. They are just random manifestations from nature.

As for the conflict related cases you cited, remember, there are conflicts in other parts of the world. They are occurring for political reasons.

[Nur Student]

Everywhere in the world is prone to some form of natural disaster. I don't think that a thorough examination would indicate that any particular place/country/people are being punished. The United States suffers the same sort of natural disasters. They are just random manifestations from nature.

As for the conflict related cases you cited, remember, there are conflicts in other parts of the world. They are occurring for political reasons.

Peace be with you WarriorforMarie,

I don't agree with you at all. I want to quote from a famous scholar's booklet written after an earthquake. I don't intend the severe words in it though since they address to absolute deniers. Focus on the example carefully.

Sixth Question: The neglectful and heedless put it about that the earthquake resulted from a fault in the rock strata inside the earth, and look upon it as quite simply a chance event, natural, and without purpose. They do not see the non-material causes and results, so that they can come to their senses. Does ‘matter’, on which they base their views, have some reality?

The Answer: It has no reality other than misguidance for the following reason. Take the fly out of all the species on the earth, which each year is clothed in and changes more than fifty million finely embroidered well-ordered shirts: the intention, will, purpose, and wisdom manifested on the wing of a single fly, which is only one organ out of hundreds of one individual fly out of the countless numbers of all flies on the face of the earth, the fact that it is not neglected or left to its own devices, shows that the significant acts and states of the huge globe of the earth, which is the cradle, mother, place of recourse, and protector of innumerable conscious beings – no aspect of it whether particular or universal – can be outside the Divine will, choice, and purpose. However, as is required by His wisdom, the Possessor of absolute power makes apparent causes a veil to His disposals. When He wills an earthquake, and sometimes He does, He commands the movement of the strata and ignites them. Even if it results from this movement or a fault in the strata, it is still at the Divine command and in accordance with His wisdom; it cannot occur in any other way.

For example, one man shot another with a rifle. If the man who fired the shot is entirely disregarded, and only the gunpowder in the bullet igniting is taken into consideration, the rights of the wretched victim would be completely violated, and it would be the epitome of foolishness. In just the same way, to forget the dominical command concerning the earth, which is a docile official of the All-Powerful One of Glory, rather, a ship or an aeroplane of His: “Explode a bomb inside the earth prepared through wisdom and will in order to arouse the heedless and the rebellious;” to forget this and to deviate into ‘nature’, is the very peak of stupidity. ~Bediuzzaman

[Nur Student]

And here is the rest.

Peace,


An Addition and Footnote to the Sixth Question:

In order to defend their way and counter the awakening of the believers and hinder them, the people of misguidance and the atheists display an obduracy so strange and a stupidity so peculiar that it makes a person regret his humanity. For example, in order to make men give up their wicked and wrongful rebellion which recently has to a degree taken on a general form, and to arouse mankind and make it forego this awesome revolt and recognize the universe’s Sovereign, Whom it does not want to recognize, the Creator of the heavens and the earth –not on account of a particular title but as Sustainer and Ruler of the whole universe and all the worlds and through a widespread and general manifestation throughout the universe in the universal sphere of His dominicality– has struck mankind in the face with awesome and widespread calamities like earthquakes, storms, and world wars through the universal elements coming to anger –through water, the air, and electricity, which are matchless and constant– and has demonstrated through them in most clear fashion His wisdom, power, justice, and self-subsistence. Although this is the case, certain brainless satans in human form respond to these universal dominical signs and divine reprimands with a foolish obstinacy, saying:

“It’s nature. It’s the explosion of some strata under the earth and just chance. It’s the sun’s heat clashing with electricity, which happened in America and brought all machinery to a standstill for five hours, and also caused the atmosphere in Kastamonu Province to turn red and take on the appearance of a conflagration.” They utter meaningless nonsense like this. Due to a boundless ignorance resulting from misguidance and an ugly obduracy arising from aggressive atheism, they do not know that causes are only each a pretext and a veil. A small seed taking the place of a village full of factories and looms to weave and produce the members of a pine-tree as large as a mountain shows this. By saying, “The tree emerged from the seed,” they in effect deny the thousand miracles displayed in the pine tree, and put forward a number of apparent causes. They reduce to nothing a huge dominical act worked through the Creator’s will and wisdom. Sometimes they attach a scientific name to a most profound, unknowable, and important truth which has purposes in a thousand respects, as though through the name it has been understood. Whereas it is merely made commonplace, and without purpose, wisdom, or meaning.

So, come and see the innumerable degrees of stupidity and foolishness! They attach a name to a truth so profound and broad and unknown it could be completely understood only if it and its purposes and instances of wisdom were described in a hundred pages. As though it were something obvious they say: “It is this.” For example, “It is some substance in the sun clashing with electricity.” Furthermore, they ascribe a particular and intentional dominical event to one of the natural laws, which are each the titles of universal and all-encompassing will and universal sovereignty, and are known as ‘Divine laws.’ And by doing this they sever its connection with Divine will and choice, then refer it to chance and nature. They display an ignorance more profound than Abu Jahl. It is a rebellious foolishness like attributing the victorious battle of an individual soldier or a battalion to military regulations and discipline, and cutting its connection with the commander, king, government, and purposeful action.

Similarly, if a wonder-working craftsman produces a hundred kg of various foodstuffs and a hundred yards of varying cloths from a chip of wood the size of fingernail, like the creation of a fruit-bearing tree from a seed, and someone points to the chip of wood and declares that these things have come into being out of it ‘naturally’ and ‘through chance,’ reducing to nothing the craftsman’s wondrous arts and skills, what utter lunacy it would be. It is exactly the same as that....

~Addendum to the Fourteenth Word

[ardianto]

Everywhere in the world is prone to some form of natural disaster. I don't think that a thorough examination would indicate that any particular place/country/people are being punished.

There are two kinds of natural disaster. First, the pure natural disaster. Second, the human contributed natural disaster.

Example of pure natural diaster are earthquake and tsunami that happened in Indonesia and in Japan. It's pure natural disaster which human could not avoid it.

Example of human contributed natural disaster are floods that happened in Jakarta and in Bangkok. These two cities have similarity. Too many building that prevent water absorption to soil. They build without regard adequate drainage. No wonder if when the rain come, the water can not absorbed into the soil.

Were tsunami in Indonesia and Japan punishment?. I don't think so.

Were flood in Jakarta and Bangkok punishment?. Yes!. Punishment for human because they have disturbed the nature.

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you ardianto;

Were tsunami in Indonesia and Japan punishment?. I don't think so.

Sometimes I wonder if these natural disasters bring out the best in human nature, people rally round to help, and differences are put aside.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

Eric

[ardianto]

Greetings and peace be with you ardianto;

Sometimes I wonder if these natural disasters bring out the best in human nature, people rally round to help, and differences are put aside.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

Eric

Greting and peace be with you, sir.

I don't think natural disaster is punishment. But religious leader always say that natural disaster actually is warning and reminder from The Creator. And I think they are right.

May Allah give strength and ease to anyone who try to bring peace to the world.

Ardianto