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Human_Being
03-19-2011, 11:15 AM
im learnin arabic like biut i dont kno how to pronounce some letters yet like ayn and kha cuz my mouth just won't make sounds like that i need practice like but until i get it rite is it ok to recite quran verses and duas in english or shud i just do best to recite arabic even if its pronounced wrong like
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Human_Being
03-19-2011, 11:16 AM
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Zuzubu
03-19-2011, 12:16 PM
Do you best at arabic, and learn it. It's the language of heaven.

Ayn and Kha, is not that hard. Really? >.> But if you got outh problems then try ur best. And also, english is fine too. English and arabic are both accepted.
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Human_Being
03-19-2011, 12:23 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zuzubu
Do you best at arabic, and learn it. It's the language of heaven.

Ayn and Kha, is not that hard. Really? >.> But if you got outh problems then try ur best. And also, english is fine too. English and arabic are both accepted.
lol its just very hard those letters dont exist in english and i never made those sounds before so i dont kno how to make those sounds with my mouth but ill try my best like but when i try to do ayn it sounds like im being throttled lol i still try arabic sometimes cuz its good practice but its good to know i can use english too
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- Qatada -
03-19-2011, 01:39 PM
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A new Muslim finding it difficult to recite al-Faatihah:


So the worshipper must recite it properly in Arabic, because we are commanded to read and recite the Qur’aan as it was revealed.


2 – Whoever is unable to pronounce it properly because of some defect in his tongue or because he is not an Arabic-speaker must learn to correct his pronunciation as much as he can.

If he cannot, then he is relieved of this obligation, because Allaah does not burden people with more than they are able to bear.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Allaah burdens not a person beyond his scope” [al-Baqarah 2:286]


3 – If a person is unable to recite al-Faatihah at all or is unable to learn it, or he has just become Muslim and the time for prayer has come and there is not enough time for him to learn it, then he is given a way out in the following hadeeth:

It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Abi Awfa said: A man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: “O Messenger of Allaah, teach me something of the Qur’aan that will suffice me, for I cannot read.” He said, “Say: Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa hawla wa la quwwata illa Billaah (Glory be to Allaah, praise be to Allaah, there is no god except Allaah and Allaah is Most great, there is no god except Allaah and there is no power and no strength except with Allaah).” The man made a grabbing gesture with his hand (indicating that he had learned a lot) and said, “This is for my Lord, what is there for me?” He said, “Say: Allaahumma ighfir li warhamni wahdini warzuqni wa ‘aafini (O Allaah, forgive me, have mercy on me, guide me, and grant me provision and good health).” He made another grabbing gesture with his other hand and stood up.

(Narrated by al-Nasaa’i, 924; Abu Dawood, 832. Its isnaad was classed as jayyid by al-Mundhiri in al-Targheeb wa’l-Tarheeb, 2/430. al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar indicated that it is hasan in al-Talkhees al-Habeer, 1/236)

Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

If a person does not know any Qur’aan, and he cannot learn it before the time for prayer is over, then he must say Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa hawla wa la quwwata illa Billaah (Glory be to Allaah, praise be to Allaah, there is no god except Allaah, Allaah is Most great and there is no power and no strength except with Allaah), because Abu Dawood narrated that a man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said, “I am not able to learn anything of the Qur’aan, so teach me something that will suffice me.” He said, “Say, Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa hawla wa la quwwata illa Billaah.” The man said, “This is for my Lord, what is there for me?” He said, “Say: Allaahumma ighfir li warhamni warzuqni wahdini wa ‘aafini (O Allaah, forgive me, have mercy on me, grant me provision, guide me, and give me good health).” But he does not have to do more than say the first five phrases, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) only said that, and he only told him more when he asked for more.
(end of Ibn Qudaamah’s words)

But if a person is able to recite part of surah al-Faatihah only, he should recite that which he is able to recite.
And he has to repeat what he can recite well (i.e., so that the total number of what he recites will be seven verses, equivalent to the number of verses in al-Faatihah).


Ibn Qudaamah said:

It may be sufficient for him to say alhamdu-Lillaah (praise be to Allaah), laa ilaaha ill-Allaah (there is no god but Allaah) and Allaahu akbar (Allaah is most great), because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whatever you know of Qur’aan, recite it, otherwise praise Allaah, proclaim His Oneness and magnify Him.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood)
(al-Mughni, 1/289, 290)

What you have read about the prayer being invalid if the worshipper mispronounces a single letter of al-Faatihah cannot be taken as general in meaning. Not every mistake in al-Faatihah invalidates the prayer; rather it cannot be invalidated unless something is omitted from al-Faatihah, or the pronunciation is changed in a way that distorts the meaning. Moreover, this ruling on the prayer becoming invalid applies to those who are able to recite al-Faatihah correctly or who are able to learn it but do not.

As for those who are unable to do so, they should recite it as best as they can, and that does not affect them, because Allaah does not burden a soul beyond its scope. One of the basic principles established by the scholars is that nothing is obligatory when a person is unable to do it. See al-Mughni, 2/154.
In this case a person should recite al-Faatihah as best as he is able, and then glorify Allaah, praise Him, magnify Him and proclaim His Oneness (by saying Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah), so that this will make up for whatever he has missed out of al-Faatihah.
See al-Majmoo’, 3/375.



Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:

Is the prayer of one who mispronounces al-Faatihah valid or not?

He replied:

If a person mispronounces al-Faatihah in a way that does not distort the meaning, his prayer is valid, whether he is leading others in prayer or is praying alone.
But with regard to the kind of mispronunciation that distorts the meaning, if the person knows the meaning, such as if he says ‘Siraat allaadheena an’amtu ‘alayhim [meaning “The way of those on whom I have bestowed my grace”, instead of the correct version an’amta (The way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace)], and he knows that this verbal form is wrong, then the prayer is not valid. But if he does not know that he is distorting the meaning, and he thinks that this form is second person singular rather than first person, then there is a difference of scholarly opinion on this point. And Allaah knows best.
Majmoo’ al-Fataawam 22/443


He was also asked about when a person ends a word with –i that should end in –a when praying (or renders it genitive when it should be accusative).
He replied:

If he is aware of what he is doing and he does it deliberately, then his prayer is invalid, because he is playing about in his prayer. But if he is unaware of that, then his prayer is not invalid, according to one of the two scholarly views.
Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 22/444


So you must try hard and keep practising it. You can do this by reciting it to another Muslim sister who can recite it well, and by listening to soorahs recited by skilled reciters on tapes or broadcasts.
There is no need to feel nervous and anxious, because Allaah knows what is in people’s hearts, and He knows who is trying hard and making the effort, and who is lazy and heedless.

The difficulty that you find in reciting Qur’aan will increase your hasanaat (good deeds) and rewards. It was narrated that ‘Aaishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The one who is skilled in reciting Qur’aan will be with the noble and obedient scribes (i.e., the angels?) and the one who reads the Qur’aan and struggles with it because it is difficult for him will have two rewards.”
(Narrated by Muslim, 798)


Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The one who struggles with it is the one who is hesitant in his recitation because he is not able to memorize it well. He will have two rewards: the reward for reciting it and the reward for his efforts in reciting it.

There is no need to repeat verses more than once, because this is not what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did or taught. Rather that opens the door to waswaas (whispers from the Shaytaan), detracts from the prayer, makes you lose your focus, distracts you from pondering the meaning of the verses and makes the Shaytaan happy, because from that he can find a way to make you suffer so that you will ultimately give up praying. But Allaah is Most Gracious and Most Merciful, and He is more merciful towards us than we are to ourselves, and He does not burden us with more than we can bear .

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elina
03-19-2011, 02:39 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Human_Being
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assalamu alaikum...... i found this somewhere on here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rywokB1vtOc it has been invaluable for me in helping me speak arabic for salat ........ inshallah it may help you too :)
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Little_Lion
03-19-2011, 03:30 PM
Masha'Allah, that video is so helpful, elina! I noticed many others by the same poster on reciting the Qur'an and subscribed to his channel. Jazak'Allah khair!
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Darth Ultor
03-19-2011, 03:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zuzubu
Do you best at arabic, and learn it. It's the language of heaven.
The language of heaven? God chose Arabic as the holy language? Do you have a verse from the Quran or a trusted Hadith to back this up?
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- Qatada -
03-19-2011, 08:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Boaz
The language of heaven? God chose Arabic as the holy language? Do you have a verse from the Quran or a trusted Hadith to back this up?
According to the Bible, { Genesis 11:1} humans all spoke one language at one time. These humans were trying to build a tower to see God. God Warned them to cease building the tower, yet they disobeyed God and continued to build the Tower.


As a punishment for their disobedience, God cursed them by making them all speak a different language. This tower is now called the "Tower of Babylon." {Genesis 11:19} and that is where we get the word "Babel" The Holy Qur'an is their forgiveness, if the humans return to obeying God, then they are again united in a brotherhood and sisterhood of one Semitic language, Arabic.




This is astonishing since only 27% of the Muslims are Arabs and there are almost 1.5 Billion Muslims world wide, all united with one language [Arabic], praying in unison, re-united, this is also predicted in the Bible;


"For then will I turn to the people a pure language*, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent." {Zephaniah 3:9}


In the Strong's Bible Dictionary, the word "language (saphah)" in this verse can also mean [ side, edge, border]


Therefore, Zephaniah 3:9 can also be translated to read "I will TURN people to ONE direction" which we witness with Muslims all facing -East- [to Makkah] to pray and also speaking one language in prayer, a language which non-Arabs describe as a "pure language"


http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Why-Be...n-removed..htm
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Ranya
04-03-2011, 10:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Human_Being
im learnin arabic like biut i dont kno how to pronounce some letters yet like ayn and kha cuz my mouth just won't make sounds like that i need practice like but until i get it rite is it ok to recite quran verses and duas in english or shud i just do best to recite arabic even if its pronounced wrong like
You have to recite in Arabic and do your best to pronounce correctly. Don't worry about the ayn, I have the same problem with this letter, only practice can help us.
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muslimah nicola
04-05-2011, 11:16 AM
I too found the series of videos on youtube by amansiddiqi invaluable for learning salah in arabic. If it were not for them I would still be struggling with salah. watch them and take it slowly, learning each section thoroughly before moving on, and you will get there sooner than you think
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