How the Bible Led Me to Islam: The Story of a Former Christian Youth Minister -Joshua

[Banu_Hashim]

Salaamu 'Alaikum,

I'm not sure if this has been posted or not (I tried searching for it and nothing came up so I assume not).

This is a very interesting story about a man, Joshua Evans and his journey to Islaam, particularly useful to our Christian members!



Fee Amaanillah.

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Assalaamu Alaaykum

It is a great revert story.

jazakallaahu Khaair for the share.

[gmcbroom]

Hmmm.... is this in the Comparative Religions forum to stir debate or discord? He was poorly catachised and thus didn't really know his christian faith.

Peace be with you.

[Ramadhan]

Hmmm.... is this in the Comparative Religions forum to stir debate or discord? He was poorly catachised and thus didn't really know his christian faith. Peace be with you.

Would you like me to send you hundreds of other youtube videos where former priests, nuns, pastors, ministers, people who studied in seminaries, etc, converted to Islam?
It seems the more and fruther christians examine their faith, they will either become agnostics and atheists (as is the current trend in all western countries) or if they get the chance to study Islam properly, they will revert and become muslims.

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[Ramadhan]

Come to think of it, apparently our friend gmcbroom here is still in denial. Last year he also denied that ex nuns and ex priests muslims exist, until I gave him a host of articles and youtubes which he can verify. He seemed defeated, then he is now back here making the same claim. LOL.

Here, read again in this thread http://www.islamicboard.com/showthre...11#post1400711:

Naidamar I wasn't aware of any ex nuns or priests. The only case i'm aware of is that of a former Non denominational minister named Yusef. That's not quite the same thing. Now I'm aware that a few priests became atheists but thats generally a rejection of All faiths this would include Islam. Peace be with you.

You mean Yusuf estes? Yes, he is among the most famous ones. then forgive me for doubting your ignorance. Here's a sample list you can start reading or watching about former catholic priests and nuns who reverted to Islam. Feel free to discuss.

http://www.usislam.org/converts/converts.htm
http://www.usislam.org/converts/george.htm
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/2535/
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/586/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkrNyqowXxM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ-xP...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSM1h...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83c53...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgrrM...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ_Bl...eature=related
http://www.muslimconverts.com/newmus...n_Mwaipopo.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmkG9pGKVNw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKWM9...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn0iP...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XFMp...eature=related

is the list enough for you? let me know if you want more proof of priests and nuns who reverted to islam.

Naidamar and Vale's lily, those are impressive lists and conversion accounts I watched a few of them. I wish each of them well in their travels. Peace be with you. gmcbroom

Do you suffer from short memory loss, gmcbroom?

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Assalaamu Alaaykum

^I quite agree.

I have noticed some differences between the Ex muslim vids and ex christian vids.

Commonly most of the Ex muslims who reverted to Christianity either reverted because they 'discovered' Jesus (pbuh), when the Qur'aan speaks more about Jesus (pbuh) than Muhammad (saw) himself, and if a muslim rejected Jesus (pbuh) it would mean he is rejecting a big part of the Islamic faith.

I noticed that for the Ex Christians they usually actually research their christian faith and also various other faiths untill some come to the conclusion that they feel comfortable with the Islamic faith.

I dont know this is just what i noticed, and there are also various other things i noticed, from the Ex muslim vids/stories, like how some of the ex muslims werent practising to begin with, this may be same for the ex christians in some cases also...

But from a neutral view there are parts where they claim they know their faith, but they test God but as far as know theres a verse from the bible that warns people to not test God and nor does the Qur'aan teach for us to test God. And you see weird parts in those ex muslim videos where they want something soo much they end up testing God if he really exists, in my words i call it 'bribing' using words such as "if you are real, then give me money" next day they find money under their pillow, "if your real let me see you" and some other stuff, is not the creation enough proof to the existence of God? now im not saying only all the 'ex-muslims' do this, but these people clearly have no knowledge in regards of their faith, what i am trying to say that, those who left their faith was because they had no knowledge of their faith in the beginning, so i dont know how they could come to a Conclusion, UNLESS they did research, seeking out to God and all the normal stuff etc etc.. basically in other words getting it all easy, by doing nothing and just getting it, if that makes sense. It reminds me of the story posted in a thread called " Rare stories thread", the story is called "The Pearl Necklace",where even though he discovered the necklace that wasnt his, but the person it belonged to would give a prize in money to the one who returns it, yet the one who discovered necklace didnt feel he deserved the money because he didnt do anything for it, didnt earn the money...heres the story if you would like to read it insha'Allaah

--->> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthre...4305937&page=2 <<----

.. peace ..

[JPR]

But from a neutral view there are parts where they claim they know their faith, but they test God but as far as know theres a verse from the bible that warns people to not test God and nor does the Qur'aan teach for us to test God. And you see weird parts in those ex muslim videos where they want something soo much they end up testing God if he really exists, in my words i call it 'bribing' using words such as "if you are real, then give me money" next day they find money under their pillow, "if your real let me see you" and some other stuff, is not the creation enough proof to the existence of God? now im not saying only all the 'ex-muslims' do this, but these people clearly have no knowledge in regards of their faith, what i am trying to say that, those who left their faith was because they had no knowledge of their faith in the beginning, so i dont know how they could come to a Conclusion, UNLESS they did research, seeking out to God and all the normal stuff etc etc.. basically in other words getting it all easy, by doing nothing and just getting it, if that makes sense.

I underlined the relevant part. You're applying a double standard here sister as I could say the same thing about ex-christians. The only difference is that apostasy doesn't lead to a death penalty or severe reprimands in western nations as it does in many muslim countries (I'm not saying all). You're also implying that choosing God over Allah is getting it easy but I will posit to you that in both ways it is very hard for any individual putting his faith in perspective.

Instead of posting the stories of others and their conversions, posters should post stories of people they know around them, personal stories instead of just linking some random over-played youtube (an honest source of information?) videos. Apostates exist in every faith...

Peace out!

P.S.: I did research both Christian AND Muslim faith before I made my choice. I didn't choose Islam based on knowledge or wisdom, I just asked God and I got my answer and it couldn't be any clearer.

[Ramadhan]

The only difference is that apostasy doesn't lead to a death penalty or severe reprimands in western nations as it does in many muslim countries (I'm not saying all).

Does christianity teach you to lie?
Tell me which muslim country that have death penalty just for apostasy?

Apostates exist in every faith...

Not so good news for you, apparently the highest apostates are among the christians. Have you seen the latest statistics from western countries?

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Greetings of peace

I underlined the relevant part. You're applying a double standard here sister as I could say the same thing about ex-christians. The only difference is that apostasy doesn't lead to a death penalty or severe reprimands in western nations as it does in many muslim countries (I'm not saying all). You're also implying that choosing God over Allah is getting it easy but I will posit to you that in both ways it is very hard for any individual putting his faith in perspective.

Instead of posting the stories of others and their conversions, posters should post stories of people they know around them, personal stories instead of just linking some random over-played youtube (an honest source of information?) videos. Apostates exist in every faith...

Peace out!

P.S.: I did research both Christian AND Muslim faith before I made my choice. I didn't choose Islam based on knowledge or wisdom, I just asked God and I got my answer and it couldn't be any clearer.

You are absoletly correct.

But by my post i was reffering to those from the video and not of those from a general view but i think it refers to them in some way also, i dont mean all but 'some'..

And also i wasnt talking about Apostasy in my post, thats a different topic itself to discuss. God is Allaah, as far as im aware 'Allaah' meaning 'The God' in a different language known as arabic. Your Contradicting yourself, because its silly to say that its wrong to choose God over God because its easy? I was saying that we dont need to test God if you believe in him, study his law and believe there is nothing to disagree with because its correct, then why would you test him? even though he commanded for you not to? I wasnt trying to put anyones faith down, i was referring to both Muslims and Non-muslims, for those who dont have knowledge, tend to revert without not properly knowing their faith and they mock them.

but these people clearly have no knowledge in regards of their faith, what i am trying to say that, those who left their faith was because they had no knowledge of their faith in the beginning, so i dont know how they could come to a Conclusion, UNLESS they did research, seeking out to God and all the normal stuff etc etc.. basically in other words getting it all easy, by doing nothing and just getting it, if that makes sense.

You quoted me here, in this case i meant all people. I was generally talking about the people who do claim to be part of another faith when in fact they dont know their own. I apologise if i didnt make sense, and so i repeat i was referring to the videos, i was pointing the points that i noticed. But i agree we should also look at at the stories of those around them.

Also i quote you "I didn't choose Islam based on knowledge or wisdom, I just asked God and I got my answer and it couldn't be any clearer." Then what did you choose your faith in regards to? Are you saying that knowledge or wisdom isnt a big deal? or something that shouldnt be taken into account before accepting something? Can i know how God gave you your answer? I ask with an open mind and because i would love to know..

.. peace ..

[al yunan]

You're also implying that choosing God over Allah is getting it easy but I will posit to you that in both ways it is very hard for any individual putting his faith in perspective.

Salam brother JPR,

That statement is an absurd one as one could say to you, that since the R.C and E.O precede the church of England (first official "God" reference in liturgy) you choose God over "Theos" and "Dei" would that not make you an "apostate" which by the way you are unless you are a member of either one sect.
Dogmatically both those churches believe in predestination and submission to faith a vehicle of entry into the Grace of God.
Therefore a true believer of God would not place importance as to what name you called God but rather that one believed in Him.
One faith and One God is the unifying creed of Christianity the rest is semantics, dogma and pure racism (a sentiment by which one ceases to be Christian).
I'm an ex E.O and still remember most of the basic catechism.

"If you truly believe then rejoice for the faith others have, that you may find peace of heart in the will of God."

Masalam

PS: The two original churches dealt with apostasy by excommunication a fate worse than death as entailed Hell for eternity
and hell on earth too for you where shuned till death.

[JPR]

Peace Pearl, I'm sorry if I didn't quote you right but your post confused me, I guess I got confused reading the post before yours.

As for you saying I'm contradicting myself saying I chose God over God, I will only point that I don't believe our God is the same, and in fact it can't be for many reasons no matter how hard you try to convince me. Maybe it was just a poor choice of words from my part using the word "Allah". You will forgive me this one blunder as I'm going to learn arabic starting next fall which will prevent me from mis-using and mangling arabic words.

I don't really want to get into a discussion with you on that point, I just wanted to say conversions happen in every religion, not more in one or less in the other.


To answer Naidamar, thanks for calling me a liar:

"For a Muslim wishing to leave Islam this is simply not true. In Yemen it's punishable by death as it is in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan under the Taliban and other Islamic states. "

Again:

"As for the constitutions of various Muslim countries, while many do guarantee freedom of belief (Egypt,1971; Syria, 1973; Jordan, 1952) some talk of freedom of conscience (Algeria:1989), and some of freedom of thought and opinion (Mauritania: 1991). Islamic countries with two exceptions do not address the issue of apostasy in their penal codes; the two exceptions are the Sudan, and Mauritania. In the Sudanese Penal Code of 1991, article 126. 2, we read: "Whoever is guilty of apostasy is invited to repent over a period to be determined by the tribunal. If he persists in his apostasy and was not recently converted to Islam, he will be put to death." The Penal Code of Mauritania of 1984, article 306 reads: "...All Muslims guilty of apostasy, either spoken or by overt action will be asked to repent during a period of three days. If he does not repent during this period, he is condemned to death as an apostate, and his belongings confiscated by the State Treasury." This applies equally to women. The Moroccan Penal Code seems only to mention those guilty of trying to subvert the belief of a Muslim, or those who try to convert a Muslim to another religion. The punishment varies between a fine and imprisonment for anything up to three years."

So indeed, I'm a dirty christian liar Naidamar. I always talk of things I do not know about, what about you? You seem very knowledgeable... Apostasy is never punished by islamic states, and never by death.

[Aprender]

He was poorly catachised and thus didn't really know his christian faith.

Not your place to say. You don't know him. You don't know what was in his heart and you certainly don't know all that he experienced in his education except the main parts that he's chosen to share with the world today. What matters now is that he has peace, is worshiping God, and is happy with the religion that he has chosen for himself. He has a right to do that without the likes of scathing people like you judging and demeaning him for using his brain.

[Aprender]

P.S.: I did research both Christian AND Muslim faith before I made my choice. I didn't choose Islam based on knowledge or wisdom, I just asked God and I got my answer and it couldn't be any clearer.

So, let me ask you then because I'm just a little bit confused by what you said here and I don't mean to cause any problems. I just want clarification. You said: "I did research both Christian and Muslim faith before I made my choice." Then the following sentence you said, "I didn't choose Islam based on knowledge or wisdom." OK. You just said you did research but then you said you didn't choose Islam based on knowledge. So you just learned what you could about Islam, then I'm guessing you got some type of sign in which you chose Christianity.

I'm an advocate for people believing in their faith but knowing why they do. I hope you didn't choose it just because you were walking by and saw a cross or a church or something. Why? Because if you live in America, those things are going to always be there. I can drive within a 5 mile radius around my neighborhood here and find at least 10 churches from different denominations. I really do hope that you chose Christianity because it makes sense to you and not because it makes life easier for ya because everyone else is doing it. If not, then I have to ask...

Why are you here on IB? You don't have to answer me of course but I do see from your post above that you've not done adequate research about Islam so I am guessing that's why you're back to it. I hope so. To strengthen your knowledge which is very good :)