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mad_scientist
^^ whats your problem? its their freedom to choose what kind of kids they want.
what line of thinking is this? who gave them the right to choose? so if someone wants to abort their baby due to gender or birth defects, that's their "freedom"?! what about the rights of the child to be born? what about his/her freedom to live a life regardless of their gender or other physical capabilities? this is unislamic thinking, that it's the parents "freedom" to choose what kind of kids they want. so you're saying it's ok to abort female babies if the parents "choose" not to have them? show me where in Islam what you said is ok? this is eugenics and discrimination at it's best. screen out the "unfit", as deemed by who? you?
who are we to come in between what Allah is creating? how would you feel if your parents were like that and had chosen not to have you because they had the "freedom" to not have you? oh wait, you wouldn't even exist to feel anything, what is more unjust than that? freedom to practice your own rights is fine as long as it does not impinge upon the freedoms and rights of others. this is not freedom, this is murder. if we follow your line of thinking we would say that the arabs who used to bury their daughters alive also had the "freedom" to choose what kind of kids they want, so since it was their "freedom" they were ok? have you read the Quraan and Sunnah about this topic? it existed even at the time of the Prophet and he has spoken against it, so NO, it's not their "freedom"
here:
Allah says,
(And when the female infant (Al-Maw'udah) buried alive is questioned: For what sin was she killed) The majority have recited it as Su'ilat (she is questioned), as it is here. Al-Maw'udah is the female infant that the people of the pre-Islamic time of ignorance would bury in the dirt due to their hatred of girls. Therefore, on the Day of Judgement, the female infant will be asked what sin she committed that caused here to be murdered. This will be a means of frightening her murderer. For verily, if the one who was wronged is questioned, what does the wrongdoer (the one who is guilty of the oppression) think then `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said,
(And when the female infant (Al-Maw'udah) buried alive Su'ilat:) "This means that she will ask.'' Abu Ad-Duha made a similar statement when he said, "She will ask, meaning she will demand restitution for her blood.'' The same has been reported from As-Suddi and Qatadah. Hadiths have been reported concerning the Maw'udah. Imam Ahmad recorded from `A'ishah, who reported from Judamah bint Wahb, the sister of `Ukkashah, that she said, "I was in the presence of the Messenger of Allah when he was with some people, and he said,
(I was about to prohibit sexual relations with breast feeding women, but then I saw that the Romans and the Persians have sexual relations with their women who breast feed their children and it does not harm the children at all.) Then they asked him about interruption of sexual intercourse to prevent the male discharge from entering the womb of the woman, and he said,
(That is the minor infanticide and it is the female infant buried alive (Maw'udah) that will be questioned.)'' Muslim, Ibn Majah, Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi and An-Nasa'i, all recorded this Hadith as well
so there you go, choosing who is "fit" to be born is not upto us, it is Allah who decides that. there is another account of a man who had a daughter who he did not kill as an infant and she grew up to the age that she would be married and her father took her and threw her in a well and later he repented and told the Prophet PBUH about this incident and the Prophet started to cry and said harsh words to this man, that is how much he reviled and hated this action of hatred against girls and women and "choosing" to kill them. this is western liberalism, "freedoms" and is in fact backward and foolish thinking. just because the kuffar say they have "freedoms" and choose to engage in all sorts of messed up infanticide and eugenics and haram actions, and it's practiced all over the world and seems to be commonplace now, doesn't mean it's ok. our Prophet, and our Creator both hate this action, so how can you say parents have the freedom then? kindly show me some Islamic proof for your words/stance?
also to the other person saying it's good they were not born because they would be disbelievers, how do you know, maybe many of them could have become muslims better than us, they never even had a chance to live and to learn. aren't there so many reverts among us, so who knows maybe many of them could have been muslims. and in fact this is a growing problems amongst muslims too now, who have forgotten their religion due to their culture. there is no way that this can be supported in Islam. i find it appalling that muslims can ever be even slightly ok with something like this.