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And then you seem to jump to some pretty fanciful conclusions based on false premises. For instance: you imply that we hold Jesus to be God because he has no earthly father. No, that's not the reason. We get the idea that Jesus is God because he is called exactly that:
--by Thomas, "My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)
--by Peter, "God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord (in this context the term equates with calling Jesus God) and Messiah.” (Acts 2:36)
--by Paul, "Have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: who, being in very nature God..." (Philippians 2:5b-6a)
Salam
Thanks for the information, its addition to my knowledge. In advance I would like to apologize to all the reader for I am not a good writer but I will try to avoid lots of errors esp in grammar. If I will offend you mr grace seeker,,, in any way I will not apologize coz I will do what it takes to prove that there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD. Inshallah
Bismillah Arahman Araheem
In some translation they didn’t use Christian, instead The Jews called them “Nazarenes or Gallileans” Infact, the
Nazarenes were the original
Christians, so that caused more confusion to me. I have also read that
Ebionites are the true Christians.It is more than complicated to me.
The definition of the word “
TRUTH” means simple and constant and should not be changed over times.
How about Christianity, was it confirmed as the religion and Christians being the follower?
Christians define: Christianity is based on the life and teachings of Jesus
(NOT THE ONE TRUE CREATOR). Adherents of the Christian faith are known as Christians.
How about the 1st four Commandments? 1. I am the Lord your God 2. You shall have
no other gods before me 3. You shall not make for yourself an idol 4. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your one God
Son of God:
Didn’t it mention in the bible that Israel, David, Ephraim & Solomon are also son of God?
My common sense view of Prophet Jesus.
With all what I think is right, I will still put myself in your position for me to have a better understanding.
Jesus photo is not at all printed in any Bible, thousand years ago Camera was not invented. Then how can you justify to me that The Statue of Jesus being worship is his real looks, not invented or not a pic of a man who has a huge dream to be worshipped?
Secondly, please go & take two statues & keep them close together. Can you see what I see? Exactly!!! They are not 100% identical in any manner. Eyes, nose … can be little smaller & eyelashes could be less. What am I thinking?
You are right again, I knew you are indeed very CLEVER!!! Yesssss! it is MAN- MADE.
As you can see, why there can’t be two President in one country or two dad to a baby? Why? because it would be totally mess!
Now let me give you bullets (not from a gun) to understand your cycle:
1. Jesus was born
2. Jesus was crucified & died for 3days (hmm no need to ask who is GOD DURING these days)
3. Jesus was buried but he come to Life again (some believe he escape from death becoz he look for fish& hangry)
4. Now Jesus is ALIVE after death right?
If you believe he was raised by God to heaven, where is his body? Was it buried again, when & which part of the bible it is mentioned?
Now if his body or soul was raised and Jesus and God is ONE, You must tell me Jesus entered the BODY OF GOD.. Now you are talking, yes should be this way to say they are ONE. But nah
As I said, whattt ??? is that Dragon Ball Z, some kinda FUSION thinggg? Are we still talking about a religion here ???
Let us imagine, there is an earthquake, and Jesus statue break down. Do you still call him Son of God or God, when he can’t even save himself from a little shake? Hold him tight I’m sure you can save HIM. But no no no, a
BIG NO NO NO, He can’t save you. So shall we say,
you should be the God of this statue coz you were the Protector? Yah im the first one to believe.
I can be little crazy in my imagination, but there is no way I can believe that Our Beloved Prophet Easa is God. And I will share you the ff and please stay online and let’s end this:
Mathew 26:39 Jesus fell with his face to the ground and prayed to God…
If I say One True God, the Creator and Jesus is one – then Mat 26:39 meant that Jesus prayed to himself. Why would he do that, isn’t it when two has the same title, both must have equal rights etc.
Okay, you will not have hard time to convince me to believe if you show me ANY verse from the Bible that the Creator Himself, fell His face to the ground and prayed to Jesus?
No way!!! Instead you will find that Jesus fast for 40days to please his Creator & so on.
What is this some kind of a joke? Please don’t make me nervous, I have a weak heart. Why would you people keep on insisting that God and human can be same in some aspects? One of the Attributes of REAL God must be
All HOLY - The One who is pure from any imperfection and clear FROM adversaries.
Here’s another guess for you, Jesus does not have any idea whatsoever that he is gonna pay for all your sins PEOPLE .
Matthew 27:46
About the ninth hour
Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? (sharing you my basic Arabic knowledge:
Allah Allah lama tarak tani?) "--which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Why on earth your God cried out loud? That is totally nothing but shameless. Why on earth Your God has to pay the sin of HIS CREATION!!! TO whooom he has to pay if He and God is one!!! If there is some kind of bargaining here, dudeee Wake up, both the God and Jesus must share the tears right? Now if you agree with me, then you not Christian anymore, YOU ARE ATHEIST that means half Muslim. Shame shame and forever shameeeee
And I’d like you to guess more, your bible confirms that Jesus and God are not ONE.
Mark 13:32
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father”
Surprisingly to you, your
Jesus is very well 100% dead on this very HOUR. No One or even your eyelash will stand on this very moment
EXCEPT the ONE TRUE GOD. Subhanallah!!! Takbeerr ya Muslim brothers & Sisters! Allahu Akbar
I really would like to continue replying but you know, I do feel it’s a total waste of time. Don’t tell me to answer all your statement because our Prophets are not like the prophets in your bible, our Prophets (Peace be Upon Them) were role model to all mankind, they were never accused of adultery or anything like that.
No Mister, I am not so surprised that sex is mentioned in the Bible, coz let me tell you, In Islam a husband & wife having sex is equivalent to worshipping our God.
But I didnt expect that many Christian paretns would stop their teenage children from reading bible bcoz of XXX thing in it. what is it some kind of PLAYBOY magazine???
You are well educated enough about Islam seeing your reputation and posts however you are well far from being one of the Believers. And mind you Mr Ramadhan will get lots of blessing for being so patient with you but I am not.
Let me tell you what I learned last night from my dear loving husband’s (May Allah be pleased with him) statement which I am obliged to share to you.
A PROUD and a BELIEVER can’t be together. Little did you know that Shaytan prays to Allah more than any of His Creation,,, But why he is where he is right NOW??? Coz he is A
BIG BIG PROUD.
My One True God will never guide those who are proud and denial of TRUTH. So hence I would just like to leave you with this Surrah Al Kafirun
Say (O Muhammad): O ye who reject faith! (1)
I worship not that which ye worship. (2)
Nor will you worship that which I worship. (3)
And I will never worship that which you worship. (4)
Nor will you worship that which I worship. (5)
Unto you is your religion and unto me is my religion (Islam). (6)
So in view of the above, My one True God = Allah is not the God you have in your mind
Ma salam and I wish not to waste more time with you.