Do any Americans here Muslim or Non Muslim feel that both the

[truthseeker63]

Do any Americans here Muslim or Non Muslim feel that both the Democrats and the Republicans are two sides of the same coin both political parties support political Zionism and the wars in Afghanistan and in Iraq both political parties are run by the Rich/Wealthy Elites Im sure this is the sameway in the UK with the Labour Party Liberal Democrats and the Conservative Party ?

Voting for man-made laws by Anjem Choudary

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A short clip by Sheikh Anjem Choudary, regarding the current Elections which is taking place.He says as Muslim's it is not allowed as submitters to Allah(swt) to place a vote for a man to make laws for another man. Rather the only one who makes laws is Allah(swt) because he is the "Al-Hakm al-Adle" " The Divine Just Ruler" and giving that Name & Attribute to man is associating partners to Allah(Shirk).

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[Mister Agenda]

It seems to me the neocons (believe in using our economic and military power to control or topple our enemies) are still in charge, although the party in power has changed.

[GuestFellow]

:sl:

Yes, to some extent. The republican and democrat domestic policies may be different but their foreign policy is very similar.

Most supported the invasion of Afghanistan which is strategically important to America.

As for the Iraq war, not everyone supported this war. It was not in the US national interest to invade that country. Some claim that the neoconservatives and AIPAC pushed this war because Iraq was some sort of a threat to Israel. At the moment the neocons are not in power.

There is a similar situation in the UK where all three political parties have similar foreign and domestic policies. All the three main parties have some sort of allegiance with the Israel Lobby but it is not as influential as AIPAC.

[ابن آل مرة]

:sl:

Yes, to some extent. The republican and democrat domestic policies may be different but their foreign policy is very similar.

Most supported the invasion of Afghanistan which is strategically important to America.

As for the Iraq war, not everyone supported this war. It was not in the US national interest to invade that country. Some claim that the neoconservatives and AIPAC pushed this war because Iraq was some sort of a threat to Israel. At the moment the neocons are not in power.

There is a similar situation in the UK where all three political parties have similar foreign and domestic policies. All the three main parties have some sort of allegiance with the Israel Lobby but it is not as influential as AIPAC.

Excellent post, to add to that, when it comes to foreign policies, 90% of the times shayateen from both parties will have to agree, especially when if the matter is about their Master, Israel[اللهم عجل تدمير القردة والخنازير، والنصر عبادك المسلمين والمجاهدين في كل مكان]. Seriously, if you follow the American politics, any time there are campaigns for Presidential election, the accursed Israel will makes sure that all the candidates, regardless of what party they represent, will submit to all their needs and demands. Any tiny threat or sign from a candidate which shows incapability of sustaining the needs for Israel will result in loosing the election because the U.S. generally loves to support their master like house negroes.

Anyway, I hope that the brothers on here don't think too much about which party is 'less' harsh towards Muslims. At end of the day, they are still slaughtering our Brothers and raping our sisters in Afghanistan, Iraq and many other places where they placed puppet regimes.

The jews and christians will never be satisfied until we leave our Deen completely and follow their way. So I advice myself and others to Fear Allah as much as we can, and ask him to protect us from those who try to compromise the Deen and change it in order to please the Kuffar. They will try to change Islam everyday, but every time their attempts on putting out the Noor of Allah fails, and the last, the most honorable victory will be Muslims'.

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[Pygoscelis]

I have long believed that the USA's two party system is a serious restriction on democracy there, but that it is the illusion of democracy that keeps americans from changing the system. If you think you are at least partly in charge then you are less likely to riot or revolt.

[Gator]

I think the current political climate and the differences between the Democrats and Republican parties is due to the differing views of the general electorate in the US.

[truthseeker63]

I would have to disagree with the view that the Democrat/Republican domestic policies are different they both support Capitalism and Greed for Profit.

[Who Am I?]

I have long believed that the USA's two party system is a serious restriction on democracy there, but that it is the illusion of democracy that keeps americans from changing the system. If you think you are at least partly in charge then you are less likely to riot or revolt.

+1

I agree with this 100%. Our present "democracy" (which is really a representative Republic and not a democracy) is merely an illusion, and most people are too naive or stupid to realize it. The ones who do realize it are too afraid to do anything about it.

[Trumble]

I would have to disagree with the view that the Democrat/Republican domestic policies are different they both support Capitalism and Greed for Profit.

You can have a vast range of possible economic and social policies within the framework of "Capitalism and Greed for Profit"; and I say that as a socialist.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Al-Hajj Malik Shabazz commented on the political system in the United States with a question:

What is the difference between a fox and a wolf? They both will eat you....

When you research the Popular vote verses the Electoral College in the United States
you become educated how the system is based upon power and influence verses the
peoples choice....

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepol...ectcollege.htm

http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...ege/about.html

[Trumble]

When you research the Popular vote verses the Electoral College in the United States you become educated how the system is based upon power and influence verses the peoples choice....

It's actually principally based on the the historical realities of the time in which it was introduced (which I suppose included power and influence, as it always does), but you could argue (and many people have) that it should be changed.

You wonder who's 'power and influence' you mean, though? The results have only differed four times, and only one of those was more recent than 1888, which is perhaps why there has been no great incentive to amend the Constitution - which is like moving a very large rock at the best of times. The benefactors have been Republicans in all three cases after 1824, but actually that tends to suggest lack of bias rather than the opposite as support basis for each party changed enormously between 1888 and 2000.

[Gator]

I would have to disagree with the view that the Democrat/Republican domestic policies are different they both support Capitalism and Greed for Profit.

I would have to disagree with your disagreement. Just to get a little less simplistic, the US is a mixed economy, based on capitalism with large elements of social policy.

As Trumble stated, there are policies within our framework that can be very different. The democrats are definitely more pro-poor/working class when they can, but have to pander to the elites for fundraising and be moderate so the independants lean their way.

Just a side note, there seems to be a lot of big pronouncements on this thread that seem to have very little thought behind them.

[DippedinJannah]

I think the Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheney neocons pushed for the invasion of Iraq. Probably would not have happened if Bush wasn't in office.

However, both parties voted for it, so no one's hands are clean.

[truthseeker63]

This is true about the neocons.

[truthseeker63]

Some and or Many may disagree but I view the two American Political Parties as the same on many issues.

[GuestFellow]

I think the Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheney neocons pushed for the invasion of Iraq. Probably would not have happened if Bush wasn't in office.

However, both parties voted for it, so no one's hands are clean.

Salaam,

There were some politicians that did not vote for the invasion of Iraq. Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama were against the Iraq war. This is because it was not going to benefit America, it made things worse for everyone.

I doubt Bush alone would have pushed for the Iraq war. The neoconservatives were very influential through Dick Cheney and AIPAC played a significant role as well for pushing the Iraq war.

[truthseeker63]

Thank You to all for your replies.

[truthseeker63]

Full text: bin Laden's 'letter to America'

Online document: the full text of Osama bin Laden's "letter to the American people", reported in today's Observer. The letter first appeared on the internet in Arabic and has since been translated and circulated by Islamists in Britain.

Observer.co.uk, Sunday 24 November 2002 12.07 GMT
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(x) Your law is the law of the rich and wealthy people, who hold sway in their political parties, and fund their election campaigns with their gifts. Behind them stand the Jews, who control your policies, media and economy.

Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?

(ii) You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense; precisely what Benjamin Franklin warned you against.

(v) You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

If the Americans refuse to listen to our advice and the goodness, guidance and righteousness that we call them to, then be aware that you will lose this Crusade Bush began, just like the other previous Crusades in which you were humiliated by the hands of the Mujahideen, fleeing to your home in great silence and disgrace. If the Americans do not respond, then their fate will be that of the Soviets who fled from Afghanistan to deal with their military defeat, political breakup, ideological downfall, and economic bankruptcy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver


Bin Laden slams global capitalism in new video

"This is why I tell you: as you liberated yourselves before from the slavery of monks, kings and feudalism, you should liberate yourselves from the deception, shackles and attrition of the capitalist system," he said.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...en-video_N.htm

Beliefs and ideology of Osama bin Laden
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Other ideologies

In his messages, bin Laden has opposed "pan-Arabism, socialism, communism, democracy and other doctrines," with the exception of Islam.[25] Democracy and "legislative council[s] of representatives," are denounced, calling the first "the religion of ignorance," and the second "councils of polytheism."[26] In what one critic has called a contradiction,[27] he has also praised the principle of governmental "accountability," citing the Western democracy of Spain: "Spain is an infidel country, but its economy is stronger than ours because the ruler there is accountable."[28]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beliefs...sama_bin_Laden

[Who Am I?]

At least OBL hated Communism and socialism as well as capitalism. He was an equal opportunity hater, which is the way to go. If you're going to hate one thing, hate them all, I say. ;D