Peacock and snake story?

[YM Usrah Umar]

i was recently told a story on how the peacock was banned from jannah for lettin iblis in and how snakes had legs b4 allah cut them off....is this true?

[Ramadhan]

It is most definitely NOT true.
Nowhere in the Qur'an and Ahadeeth that recount such a story.

It is a fairy tale story written in the 9th century, most likely written and propagated by enemies of Islam.

[IsamBitar]

It is most definitely NOT true.

Well many snakes do have vestigial leg bones. And most snakes have a floating pelvis that does nothing. How's that possible?

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/ Peace

Well many snakes do have vestigial leg bones. And most snakes have a floating pelvis that does nothing. How's that possible?

it has nothing to do with the story related to Iblis' banning & entering to Jannat ; at least Quran does not mention anything about it.

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[Insaanah]

snakes had legs b4 allah cut them off....is this true?

No.

"And Allah has created every animal from water: of them there are some that move on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills for verily Allah has power over all things." (Translation of Qur'an 24:45)

Allah created them without legs.

Qasas ul Anbiyaa (Stories of the Prophets) by ibn Kathir mentions that there is a story in the Torah that there was a snake that incited Hawwa (peace be upon her) to eat from the tree, but that this is Islamically incorrect. It also says there may have been a snake present at that time, but there is no real proof/evidence presented for this.

It is a fairy tale story written in the 9th century, most likely written and propagated by enemies of Islam.

I agree with this regarding the peacock story. It looks like it was made up in the 9th century and seems as though it may have been derived from Zoroastrian or Hindu sources, and then falsely attributed by some to Islam to make Islam look like a religion of ridiculous myths and legends. Interestingly, the non-Muslim sources that attribute the story to Islam, mention Qasas ul Anbiyaa (Stories of the Prophets) as their source. I have a copy (English), and it's certainly not in mine.

And Allah knows best in all matters.

:sl:

[Ramadhan]

Well many snakes do have vestigial leg bones. And most snakes have a floating pelvis that does nothing. How's that possible?

Did I say anything about snakes having or not having vestigial leg bones?

You have claimed that you base everything on science, but your capacity to comprehend a simple question and answer exchange is very lacking, in this thread at least.

[Iconodule]

It seems like a simple folktale, the kinds which pops up in many religious cultures in many variations. I don't think anyone was trying to discredit Islam- these things just happen in any place where different cultures, different levels of learning, and different faiths meet. I think fairy tales can be beneficial if one doesn't take them too literally.

[Ramadhan]

It seems like a simple folktale, the kinds which pops up in many religious cultures in many variations. I don't think anyone was trying to discredit Islam- these things just happen in any place where different cultures, different levels of learning, and different faiths meet. I think fairy tales can be beneficial if one doesn't take them too literally.

Maybe christians have very lax attitude towards God. No wonder bible is full of very creative stories about God and prophets (eg. Jacob won a mud wrestling match against god)

But for muslims, creating a fake story and attributing them to God (swt) or to prophets (pbut) is a very very serious crime and sins.

[Iconodule]

Maybe christians have very lax attitude towards God. No wonder bible is full of very creative stories about God and prophets (eg. Jacob won a mud wrestling match against god)

But for muslims, creating a fake story and attributing them to God (swt) or to prophets (pbut) is a very very serious crime and sins.

Some of the best fairy tales come from Muslim culture. For example, the 1001 Nights. Perhaps you think it's all pagan nonsense but I would say you are depriving yourself of a wonderful feast of beauty.

[Iconodule]

The best attitude:

In imitation of the method of the bee, I shall make my composition from those things which are conformable with the truth and from our enemies themselves gather the fruit of salvation. But I shall reject all that is worthless and falsely labeled as knowledge." - St. John the Damascene

[Scimitar]

The best attitude:

In imitation of the method of the bee, I shall make my composition from those things which are conformable with the truth and from our enemies themselves gather the fruit of salvation. But I shall reject all that is worthless and falsely labeled as knowledge." - St. John the Damascene

Are you making our point for us? Seems so ;D

You see, in Islam we naturally reject all that is worthless and especially that which is falsely labeled as knowledge - for example: The snake and the Peacock story. What's your point? ^o)

[Ramadhan]

Some of the best fairy tales come from Muslim culture. For example, the 1001 Nights. Perhaps you think it's all pagan nonsense but I would say you are depriving yourself of a wonderful feast of beauty.

I don't think you understand the difference between "fairy tales" and stories involving God (swt) and the prophets (pbut).

It's been a while since I've read 1001 nights, so can you tell me if there is a story about God (swt) and His prophets/messengers (pbut) in 1001 nights?

From your position, it is clear that christians are okay with creating fairy stories about God (swt), is that why christians believe in the fairy stories of God split into three, one of which came down to earth born into a virgin, and involuntarily got himself killed because only his blood can cleanse all human sins?

In imitation of the method of the bee, I shall make my composition from those things which are conformable with the truth and from our enemies themselves gather the fruit of salvation. But I shall reject all that is worthless and falsely labeled as knowledge." - St. John the Damascene

Was st john talking about christians who do not reject fairy stories about god and prophets (p) as written in the bible?

[Iconodule]

You are an excellent destroyer of strawmen. Let me explain something though, if you'll allow it: in the mountains near my home there's a cave. Many people are afraid of going in there because they think there is an evil pumpkin inside who eats dogs. Now, because I am a dog, I wanted to test this theory, so I walked in and lo, I found the pumpkin eating dogs. I fed him some broken watches however and now he is a very successful merchant in New York. The moral, I suppose, is obvious: Do not poke a dead walnut with a broom.

[Scimitar]

What the heck is the moral of that story again? Forget the moral of it, I had a hard time just making sense of the story...It's more cryptic than william hague on a rainy day lol...

Let me explain something though, if you'll allow it:

...You still need to explain better. This is what I made of it - A dog eating pumpkin (pumpkins have mouths? wha? news to me!!!) Trades in New York? because you fed it some broken watches? ... And the moral of the story is not to poke a dead walnut with a broom? Man... sorry to ask you this, but are you under the influence of any peyote, acid, etc?

[alluminati]

The message seems as though that in many fairy tales, there is no morales and it is fabricated for the sakes of ridiculousness and without any base, at least that the writers of many fairy tales and such create this for entertainment, distractions. At least that is what I presume iconodule to be doing. who attributes beauty to ridiculousness? Who attributes beauty to inventions of the mind for the sakes of entertainment? That is why people like humour, because most of the time, it is ridiculous!

[Scimitar]

Ok, but on the subject of 1001 Nights, the stories were actually very clever. The theme running throughout was of love and betrayal. It was one big story, about a King who would marry a different girl every morning and have her executed every night due to lack of trust - he was a bitter man. One day he marries a woman and she tells him a story so long and intriguing that he doesnt have her executed, she survives the night and does the same thing day in day out... each time a story ends, she tells him that she has a better story than the last. This goes on for 1001 nights and eventually, she wins his heart, and his heart is healed.

The actual stories in the 1001 nights are the stories within the story, intriguing. And very clever... but they hold no religious importance whatsoever.