Palestine applies to UN to become soverign country

[Pygoscelis]

I heard about this on my drive to work this morning. Given that this tends to be a Muslim vs Jew issue and that some of you are from the middle east I'm surprised nobody here has started a thread on this. I'd like to get your views on it. I am in no way an expert on this so I'll hold mine until I hear more.

[GuestFellow]

I doubt this will work. :/

[Dagless]

I heard about this on my drive to work this morning. Given that this tends to be a Muslim vs Jew issue and that some of you are from the middle east I'm surprised nobody here has started a thread on this. I'd like to get your views on it. I am in no way an expert on this so I'll hold mine until I hear more.

Muslim Vs. Israeli Policy/Zionism

[جوري]

we find it absurd that a sovereign nation is asking to be recognized in part by those who've colonized it or helped colonize it.. however it is a step in the right direction. Not because the U.N has any sort of power or legitimacy, but for when the time come to breech any contract or agreement with those Zionist pigs the laundry list of who breached what and why can be there for all to see.

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[Abz2000]

if it's for sovereignty and independence - great - but i don't see how a country becomes independent by subjecting itself to the u.n which is totally manipulated by the ones they seek to differentiate themselves from or any other international body - yes - make agreements etc, but some of the ever-increasing gay laws and banker arm twisting are disturbing.................
Muslims are different from UNbelievers in terms of belief and submission, and unless we acknowledge that - we can kiss goodbye to the Lord's help.
i am concerned - especially with all the deceptions we've seen recently in which the u.n played a part.
do people not have human rights if they're not part of the u.n and does that mean they have to be a nation of homos?
If we were all striving for the right - we would not only have the approval of God - but also the approval of the world's people - maybe not the corrupt leaders but the people.
i feel like we're doing injustice to our brothers and sisters over there and if they have to seek the approval of murderous deceitful criminals before being recognized in their own land - we too will suffer the consequences.
Many tribes offered the Prophet (pbuh) and his followers leadership - but with conditions of passing over leadership after his death, or protection from one side only, he turned them down despite the persecution and abuse he and his followers suffered at the hands of Quraish.
he continued striving until Almighty God prepared and sent to him a people who would submit to none but Almighty God - and cared for the approval of none but God.
the only thing he offered them in return was Paradise - and they said "what a profitable transaction" : ) ...............and they became the successful in this world too.
we are living in a difficult time - and decisions require a lot of thought - it won't be easy - know that beforehand, but the ultimate victory is with Almighty God, and it's around the corner.

[Trumble]

do people not have human rights if they're not part of the u.n and does that mean they have to be a nation of homos?

You really don't get the irony of that sentence at all, do you? :rollseyes

[Abz2000]

There's only irony if you're a kafir,
There's no irony whatsoever if you're a muslim,

[Abdul-Raouf]

I heard about this on my drive to work this morning. Given that this tends to be a Muslim vs Jew issue and that some of you are from the middle east I'm surprised nobody here has started a thread on this. I'd like to get your views on it. I am in no way an expert on this so I'll hold mine until I hear more.

Thought we will start it...Once it happens... We are about to win the race...We are optimistic on that :) ..only hurdle to cross is USA... which is blocking the whole race area and at the same time telling the world it supports us and asking us to win... As expected.. The Fox of the world is behaving as usual.

Hope we will start it soon insha'Allah.

[Novice]

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been posted much earlier.

I doubt this will work. :/

It won't work because the US will most likely veto any such proposal. However, the Palestinians can apply for a 'non-member state' status in the General Assembly, where there is no veto, and will most likely pass.

IS "NON-MEMBER STATE" STATUS AN OPTION?


In addition to applying to become a full U.N. member state, which requires approval by the U.N. Security Council, the Palestinians could also seek upgraded observer status as a non-member state.


That is what the Vatican has and what Switzerland had before it joined the United Nations in 2002. Such status, U.N. envoys say, could be interpreted as implicit U.N. recognition of Palestinian statehood because the assembly would be acknowledging that the Palestinians control an actual state.


The advantage of this option is that it would require only a simple majority of the 193-nation General Assembly, not a two-thirds majority as in the case of full membership. Since around 120 countries have already recognized the state of Palestine to date, it would most likely win such a vote.


Although the United States, Israel and a handful of other states would likely vote against any Palestinian U.N. move, there are no vetoes in General Assembly votes. Dozens of nations, including many EU members, would likely abstain.


If the Palestinians were to be recognized as a non-member state, they would be able to sign certain international treaties, such as the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which they cannot currently sign, the chief Palestinian delegate to the United Nations has said.

[جوري]

Thought we will start it...Once it happens... We are about to win the race...We are optimistic on that :) ..only hurdle to cross is USA... which is blocking the whole race area and at the same time telling the world it supports us and asking us to win... As expected.. The Fox of the world is behaving as usual.

Hope we will start it soon insha'Allah.

The u.s doesn't matter .. They vetoed against china before for 20 years because they were opposed to 'communism' they'll do the same probably leave the room when Abbas speaks, they've already scheduled him on Friday last on their 'to do' list when Obama leaves on Wednesday .. But no matter .. The u.s & the colonial settler cockroach state are but two flies in the sea...

[Al-Mufarridun]

:sl:

If you look at the political climate of the middle east right now, this couldn't have come at a worst time for the u.s. and those who oppose this. Had this happened when Mubarak was in power, i doubt if it would have any effect. But having an Egyptian population that are gaining their voices who have tasted the delights of self-expression, this could be far more problematic. The situation with Turkey is also another interesting angle. I think this is an important political advantage/leverage for Palestine. The most crucial steps are not this, they are the steps taken the day after. For the U.S. to veto this, in front of the World, that alone would be worth it.


"We are a people of the dunes, we write history in our memories!"

"We still long for the vanished gardens of Cordoba"

[Novice]

:sl:

If you look at the political climate of the middle east right now, this couldn't have come at a worst time for the u.s. and those who oppose this. Had this happened when Mubarak was in power, i doubt if it would have any effect. But having an Egyptian population that are gaining their voices who have tested the delights of self-expression, this could be far more problematic. The situation with Turkey is also another interesting angle. I think this is an important political advantage/leverage for Palestine. The most crucial steps are not this, they are the steps taken the day after. For the U.S. to veto this, in front of the World, that alone would be worth it.


"We are a people of the dunes, we write history in our memories!"

"We still long for the vanished gardens of Cordoba"

Indeed. Saudi Arabia has also spoken up, although I hope it isn't just hot air.

A FORMER head of Saudi Arabian intelligence and ex-ambassador to Washington, Turki al-Faisal, has warned that an American veto of Palestinian membership of the United Nations would end the ''special relationship'' between the two countries, and make the US ''toxic'' in the Arab world.

[GuestFellow]

^ That does sound confrontational...never expected this sort of response from Saudi Arabia.

[Abz2000]

i don't think they understood what confrontational meant from the day they were installed by the british government with the help of lawrence.
i do however know what appeasement of the people they govern is.
what does "ending this special relationship" mean?

this??????????????.........................

i'm sure many would agree that that kind of "special relationship" is unhealthy anyway,

[Al-Mufarridun]

"The First Jewish President"

Obama is the "the first Jewish President". That's the title of New York magazine's lead article,
written by John Heilemann and quoting a major Obama fundraiser.

Listening to Obama speak at the United Nations on Wednesday many would nod in agreement,
not less in Palestine and the Arab world. Full Article

[جوري]

You want a seat on that throne you've to prostrate before your Zionist Gods and do their bidding.. it is really that simple!

[Dagless]

[Abz2000]

[جوري]

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   وَلاَ تَهِنُوا وَلاَ تَحْزَنُوا وَأَنتُمُ الأَعْلَوْنَ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ.
   

la 7wla wla qiwta illah billaah :cry:

[جوري]

who are the savages now oh two dollar common street prostitute Pamella Geller?

[Al-Mufarridun]

1. 
   
   وَلاَ تَهِنُوا وَلاَ تَحْزَنُوا وَأَنتُمُ الأَعْلَوْنَ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ.
   

la 7wla wla qiwta illah billaah :cry:

[Abz2000]

this comment was one that we should ponder on:

i cried when i saw this child begging these mother f****r soliders to release his father...what a shame and a curse on to these MFs..The world hates you because you are the sons of the b*tc*s..Don't worry child we will free palestine from these d!ck heads one day..love you kid..


here's one, please rate and comment:

[*Yasmin*]