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'Abd-al Latif
09-22-2011, 11:05 AM
Nearly one in six members of the US military on active duty is a woman. Coming to terms with what they experience, especially when they come home, can take a terrible toll.

Women in the US military have come a long way since a WWII recruiting poster urged them to 'Free a Marine to Fight' by joining up in support roles.

Today 14.5% of active duty members of the US military are women.

And even though they're not strictly in combat roles, women are experiencing warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan just like the men do.

Women, too, are suffering from post traumatic stress disorder as a result of the horrors they've seen. Coping with that, and with being a mother, poses problems of its own.

Take June Moss, a mother of two who was a staff sergeant in the US army shortly after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Mental illness

Ms Moss left her children, Jacob and Briona, with relatives while she served in Iraq as a mechanic and a driver.

"I experienced fear on a daily basis," says Ms Moss, who drove a sergeant major into Baghdad for meetings each day in the turbulent period after the invasion.

"There were explosions all the time, shootings overhead," she says. "We were travelling with tanks while they cleared the road of bombs.

"Every time we pulled over, we had to guard the perimeter. Snipers were there trying to blow our heads off.

"The sniper doesn't say, 'that's a man, that's a woman.' How's that 'not combat'?"

Jo Rusin, who was the US Army's most senior female commander in the 1990 Gulf War, observes that women have been involved with the US military going back to the revolutionary war of 1776.

Then, women were nurses. Now, she says: "They're flying planes and helicopters, and they're on every ship except submarines.

"A woman can't be a rifleman or a tanker - but pretty much everything else.

"And in Afghanistan and Iraq, the enemy determines where combat is going to be - you can drive a truck and be in combat."

Battle on home front

You can experience combat inside an army base too.

Yolanda Jones, a logistics specialist in the US army reserve, found her base in Taji, Iraq, was repeatedly hit by mortars and grenades.

"We couldn't walk anywhere without thinking we might be hit by IEDs [improvised explosive devices]," says Ms Jones, a single mother who has written a book about her war experiences called Scarred But Not Broken.

"Day in, day out, I was escaping death."

Ms Moss, Ms Jones and thousands of other women have returned from war zones to resume their roles as mothers, while suffering from PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder).

Research with US veterans (male and female) from the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan suggests that 19-42% have mental health conditions.

For many women, the contrast between the battlefield and the home front is especially stark. They must reconcile their military role with a mothering one.

Dr Natara Garovoy, head psychiatrist at a pioneering mental health clinic for women veterans in Palo Alto, California, says motherhood be a source of more stress in what's already a stressful situation.

"As primary caregivers, women battle to prioritise themselves," she says.

The growth in the numbers of women serving in the US military has been enormous over the past 10 years. There are now 1.8 million women veterans.

Seeing dead people


The percentage growth has outpaced that of the male veteran population, and the number of female veterans continues to increase.

The healthcare system run by the US Department of Veterans Affairs has had to respond as a result.

Dr Garavoy encourages women veterans to seek help if they're experiencing flashbacks and not sleeping.

"We understand PTSD as an issue of recovery," she says.

"Someone can recover by processing what happened, and overcoming the often common belief that what happened was their fault.

"By sitting down with a patient, we can take a look at what happened."

Dr Garovoy finds that the anxiety which patients with PTSD have often generalises itself and appears in apparently normal situations.

She had one patient who had worked in a morgue during her service. "She had seen lots of dead bodies," says Dr Garovoy.

"Whenever she went running, she went past faces of people and they would remind her of the faces of the fallen angels she had seen in the morgue."

Ms Moss has learned to avoid war movies, which trigger memories of what she saw in Iraq.

"I listen to gospel music, use my words - understanding your triggers and understanding you is part of the recovery," she says.

Rape by rank


Women serving in the armed forces also face the risk of military sexual trauma, or MST, which can lead to PTSD. MST is harassment or sexual assault, often by colleagues.

A study published in the American Journal of Public Health in 2010 found that 15% of women veterans had reported experiencing MST.

"There's the enemy within, not only the enemy without," says Dr Samina Iqbal, of the VA Women's Health Care facility in Palo Alto.

MST - which has affected men in the armed forces as well - is also known as Rape by Rank.

"Sexual assault is horrific - what makes it even more horrific in the military is if it's at the hands of your fellow colleagues," says Dr Garovoy.

"The betrayal of trust - particularly if this is your superior. In the military, your work is your home - where do you go, you can't get away from this person."

Ms Jones experienced repeated sexual harassment.

Her job was to make sure vehicles and radios were ready for the troops to use.

A soldier from another unit would rub up against her, squeezing past her and pressing himself against her at every opportunity he got.

"It was like I was in a meat market," she says.

"I shaved my head because I didn't want the attention but that only gave me more attention.

"I wanted my fellow soldiers to see me as having their back, not as a woman. It was sickening."

Ms Jones and her female colleagues would go to the showers in pairs, fearful of being sexually assaulted by male colleagues if they ventured out alone.

As women serve in more prominent roles in the US military, they are experiencing the same combat trauma as men.

Yet for retired army commander Jo Rusin, the overall experience of women soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan is positive.

"The current wars are disproving so many of the myths that women can't handle it," says Ms Rusin.

"All of those preconceptions that women will fall apart are being disproved. Women will excel, and the culture of the military will undergo a shift."

For Yolanda Jones, that shift can't come too soon.

"I feel like the US military has a long way to go," she says.

"I don't feel like our voices are being heard. We have made a huge contribution and we're still not acknowledged."

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GuestFellow
09-22-2011, 01:12 PM
This is why I believe women should not join the military. It's dangerous.
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MustafaMc
09-22-2011, 01:16 PM
I wonder if Sister Grofica would have posted here.
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Ali Mujahidin
09-22-2011, 01:58 PM
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Odd none of them, men or women, ever asked themselves what they are fighting and dying for. I suppose they had exterminated rational thinking way back in boot camp.
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MSalman
09-22-2011, 02:01 PM
as-salaamu alaykum

Bismillah

Ah the irony! And some Muslims in Prostitution rife in US-occupied Iraq wanted "credible" sources to verify the "accusation" against military members to whom our young Iraqi sisters are being handed. When these filthy thugs won't even spare their own comrades, do you think they'll spare Iraqi women?

You know, subhaanAllah, this further highlight the benefit of Islam allowing Muslim men to have sexual relationship with women among prisoners of war, of course with their consent.

and Allah knows best
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Who Am I?
09-22-2011, 03:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ThisOldMan
:sl:

Odd none of them, men or women, ever asked themselves what they are fighting and dying for. I suppose they had exterminated rational thinking way back in boot camp.
:sl:

I'll let Tennyson say this in his own words.

"Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die."
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جوري
09-22-2011, 05:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif
"I don't feel like our voices are being heard. We have made a huge contribution and we're still not acknowledged."
what was their 'huge' contribution exactly? I treated once a military ***** during my student days who admitted to killing a 7 year old Iraqi boy after her 'comrades' had finished his family off.. Then she was crying about being depressed about it, and that the u.s army had abandoned her after she served them.. They're all sociopaths .. in fact I believe they hand pick them criminals and unleash them on us. As far as I am concerned they deserve every last misery that comes their way insha'Allah..
and now they've allowed homos in, what a big hilarious brothel .. you just need to hate, carpet bomb & satisfy your carnal desires. Then tell the world how Jesus loves you!
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Nate
09-22-2011, 05:57 PM
its sad because most soldiers know the war is about money, and that its built on lies and propaganda. But there "just doing there job" its one of the few paying jobs in the US
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جوري
09-22-2011, 06:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
It's dangerous.



by the way I have a bone to pick with you about those tasty cakes you keep posting.. I was good since November last year, achieved close to my desired goal and stood at 126 pounds/57 kilos.. yesterday through the power of suggestion constantly cakes flashing in my mind, I had a good 4000 calories probably for breakfast alone. I had fried chicken for breakfast which should have been an indication to how the day would unravel, then had mac & cheese with more fried chicken, and cake, and bologna sandwich and more cake, and salad and banana then more cake and closed my day with chips and two sodas & orange juice walhi I couldn't stop plus orange marmalade on toast, I mean I just couldn't & I didn't even feel that sickening fullness that signals one to stop.. al7mdlillah I am fasting today and I think you should put a pic like this



because I am seriously flipping out that I am going to have another day like yesterday..
you should be banned from putting pix of food!!!!!!!
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Who Am I?
09-22-2011, 09:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll
what was their 'huge' contribution exactly? I treated once a military ***** during my student days who admitted to killing a 7 year old Iraqi boy after her 'comrades' had finished his family off.. Then she was crying about being depressed about it, and that the u.s army had abandoned her after she served them.. They're all sociopaths .. in fact I believe they hand pick them criminals and unleash them on us. As far as I am concerned they deserve every last misery that comes their way insha'Allah..
and now they've allowed homos in, what a big hilarious brothel .. you just need to hate, carpet bomb & satisfy your carnal desires. Then tell the world how Jesus loves you!
:sl:

That's not as far out as you would think. I read something last year about how a lot of new recruits are coming from inner-city communities, and many of them are involved in gang violence before they join the military. Some of those that survive their tours resume their gang life upon their return home, only with the additional knowledge of military tactics and training.

Some of the gangs even encourage this behavior and get the returning veterans to teach other gang members military strategy and tactics. I have even read stories of military gang members stealing or smuggling weapons from military bases to be used in gang wars.

So you're not that far off when you talk about criminals in the US military. Enlistments are down so they'll take anyone they can these days. They even recruit illegal immigrants to serve.

See this: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justi...on/a/gangs.htm

Also this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/us...pagewanted=all
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جوري
09-22-2011, 09:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by King of Nines
:sl:

That's not as far out as you would think. I read something last year about how a lot of new recruits are coming from inner-city communities, and many of them are involved in gang violence before they join the military. Some of those that survive their tours resume their gang life upon their return home, only with the additional knowledge of military tactics and training.

Some of the gangs even encourage this behavior and get the returning veterans to teach other gang members military strategy and tactics. I have even read stories of military gang members stealing or smuggling weapons from military bases to be used in gang wars.

So you're not that far off when you talk about criminals in the US military. Enlistments are down so they'll take anyone they can these days. They even recruit illegal immigrants to serve.

See this: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justi...on/a/gangs.htm

Also this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/us...pagewanted=all
Well of course not, gangsters, criminals, the FBI has even unleashed agents provocateurs straight out of prison into mosques where families women & children go for lessons or to worship, also blacks, Hispanics & people who don't have citizenship with promise of being deemed 'heroes' and granted citizenship..

That way they can get rid of all their undesirables one shot whether at home or abroad.
Satan heads western governments.. it isn't even a big secret they do his bidding & are his agents!
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Who Am I?
09-22-2011, 09:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll

Well of course not, gangsters, criminals, the FBI has even unleashed agents provocateurs straight out of prison into mosques where families women & children go for lessons or to worship, also blacks, Hispanics & people who don't have citizenship with promise of being deemed 'heroes' and granted citizenship..

That way they can get rid of all their undesirables one shot whether at home or abroad.
Satan heads western governments.. it isn't even a big secret they do his bidding & are his agents!
I had a rather disturbing dream about the FBI the other night. I'm still not sure if it was a warning from God or an attempt by Satan to deceive me.. or it meant that I just ate one too many pieces of pizza before bedtime. :D

I was going to post something about the government getting rid of the all of the brown people all at once, but I thought it might seem racist coming from a white guy, so I'm glad that you pointed that out.
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جوري
09-22-2011, 10:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by King of Nines
I was going to post something about the government getting rid of the all of the brown people all at once, but I thought it might seem racist coming from a white guy, so I'm glad that you pointed that out.
you should always say it like it is, I don't personally subscribe to any political correctness.
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Who Am I?
09-22-2011, 10:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll

you should always say it like it is, I don't personally subscribe to any political correctness.
:sl:

I despise political correctness too, but I live with it and have to live under it every day. Here in the USA. especially as a straight white male in these troubled times, I have to watch what I do and say, lest it be interpreted as "racist" or "homophobic". The last thing I need right now is to deal with allegations of being a racist or homophobe.

The spies are everywhere, sister...
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جوري
09-22-2011, 10:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by King of Nines
:sl:

I despise political correctness too, but I live with it and have to live under it every day. Here in the USA. especially as a straight white male in these troubled times, I have to watch what I do and say, lest it be interpreted as "racist" or "homophobic". The last thing I need right now is to deal with allegations of being a racist or homophobe.

The spies are everywhere, sister...
I noticed early on that said 'political correctness' is tossed to the dogs when it comes to Muslims, so I too tossed it.
You're right in that there are spies everywhere.. however the highest form of Jihad is a word of truth spoken in the face of a tyrant..

:w:
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Who Am I?
09-22-2011, 10:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll
I noticed early on that said 'political correctness' is tossed to the dogs when it comes to Muslims, so I too tossed it.
You're right in that there are spies everywhere.. however the highest form of Jihad is a word of truth spoken in the face of a tyrant..

:w:
:sl:

It's just like so-called "freedom of speech". It applies to whom they want it to apply. It's not for everyone equally as we are led to believe. Try speaking out against the popular majority and see how quickly your "freedom of speech" lasts.

I used to never care about these issues. I used to never speak my opinions on the matter. But I have realized that it's time to stand up and be counted among the Believers. I can no longer sit idly by and watch as the godless government steals my freedoms from under my feet. I have to at least make people aware of what's going on, even if they're too stupid or lazy to realize it.
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جوري
09-22-2011, 10:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by King of Nines
:sl:

It's just like so-called "freedom of speech". It applies to whom they want it to apply. It's not for everyone equally as we are led to believe. Try speaking out against the popular majority and see how quickly your "freedom of speech" lasts.

I used to never care about these issues. I used to never speak my opinions on the matter. But I have realized that it's time to stand up and be counted among the Believers. I can no longer sit idly by and watch as the godless government steals my freedoms from under my feet. I have to at least make people aware of what's going on, even if they're too stupid or lazy to realize it.
The current state of affairs, the trillion dollar war the ailing economy is forcing many to wake up whether they want to or not..
I liked this speech by Elizabeth Warren
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_975561.html

she gets it, and many others do too
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Who Am I?
09-23-2011, 03:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll
The current state of affairs, the trillion dollar war the ailing economy is forcing many to wake up whether they want to or not..
I liked this speech by Elizabeth Warren
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_975561.html

she gets it, and many others do too
:sl:

"Class warfare" is just another way the government keeps us divided while they steal our money and our freedom. Pretty soon, they won't have to wage "class warfare" because there will be no middle class. There will only be the rich few and the many poor.
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جوري
09-23-2011, 03:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by King of Nines
:sl:

"Class warfare" is just another way the government keeps us divided while they steal our money and our freedom. Pretty soon, they won't have to wage "class warfare" because there will be no middle class. There will only be the rich few and the many poor.
which is precisely why there were so many revolutions, unrest & uprisings in the middle east.. Couple that with police brutality, a police state and you've a simmering pot.. The only difference is people in the middle east even those half educated genuinely understood what is going on. Whereas people in the U.S (the majority of at least) are clueless, because none of it touched them on a personal level. Now with the economy being the way it is and the way it is going they're feeling the bite.. I just don't know if when the time comes they'll see it for what it is or find a scape goat (akin to Nazi Germany) with which to purge out their devils..
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Who Am I?
09-23-2011, 09:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll

which is precisely why there were so many revolutions, unrest & uprisings in the middle east.. Couple that with police brutality, a police state and you've a simmering pot.. The only difference is people in the middle east even those half educated genuinely understood what is going on. Whereas people in the U.S (the majority of at least) are clueless, because none of it touched them on a personal level. Now with the economy being the way it is and the way it is going they're feeling the bite.. I just don't know if when the time comes they'll see it for what it is or find a scape goat (akin to Nazi Germany) with which to purge out their devils..
:sl:

Add to that also that too many people here in the US are either scared of the government or too dependent on the government for their survival. I have said before that slavery still exists in the US; it's just economic slavery now instead of actual slavery. All of those people that get government checks are enslaved to the government. They won't dare rock the boat for fear of having their checks cut off.

If there is a scapegoat, it will likely be Latino immigrants or Muslims. Both are seen (not yet openly, but still seen) as enemies of the state. People complain all of the time about Latino immigrants taking jobs. Those same people complain about Muslim terrorists and 9/11. Both of these attitudes are encouraged by the media, who of course are the lapdogs of government.

Of course, to most white people, both Latinos and Muslims are just brown, and therefore unimportant. Nevermind that most Muslims are in fact not Arabs. Here, Islam is seen as "that Arab religion where they blow themselves up".
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