Gaddafi is dead

[marwen]

" Colonel Ahmed Bani, the military spokesman of the National Transition Council, has confirmed to Al Jazeera that Muammar Gaddafi has been killed. Abdul Hakim Belhaj, an NTC military chief, said Gaddafi had died of his wounds after being captured near his hometown Sirte.
The body of the former Libyan leader was taken to a location which is being kept secret for security reasons, an NTC official said. "

A photograph taken on a mobile phone appeared to show Gaddafi heavily bloodied, but it was not possible to confirm the authenticity of the picture.
The news came shortly after the NTC captured Sirte, Gaddafi's hometown, after weeks of fighting.



Source : Aljazeera.

[peace_maker]

Gaddafi was killed today by the hands of Libiyan freedom fighters, putting an end to his 41 years of leadership. Today, Libya celebrates with joy like never before. I'm speechless, share your views here.

[.iman.]

Is this actually confirmed though? It seems as though I'm reading conflicting information. Some news sources say that he was captured and shot in his two legs and taken away but they didn't know if he was dead or not. In any case, ALLAHU AKBAR! May Allah help the Libyans rebuild their country.

[Who Am I?]

:sl:

The only question I have would be: is he really dead or is he OBL "dead"?

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[Muslim Woman]

:sl:


Don't know if it's a good or bad news . May Allah grants what is best for the Ummah.

[Crystal]

It is a good day for the Libyan people, good luck to them in reconstructing their country may God guide them.

[A-Believer-25]

:sl:

inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un

I keep reading conflicting reports. How was he killed?

[Crystal]

Apparently they shot him - I saw some poor footage of his body being dragged through the street however you can't see where his wounds are but there is blood - it was pretty barbaric..

[Perseveranze]

Just hope the new libya is built upon Islam. Inshallah it will be.

[Insaanah]

Just hope the new libya is built upon Islam. Inshallah it will be.

With allied forces involved, it is most likely to be a puppet leader installed by them who will do their bidding. They didn't do all this to allow a state based on Islam in. Most likely a Muslim by name, with secular and pro-America values. But Allah knows best.

['Abd Al-Maajid]

Edit....never mind

[Jedi_Mindset]

With allied forces involved, it is most likely to be a puppet leader installed by them who will do their bidding. They didn't do all this to allow a state based on Islam in. Most likely a Muslim by name, with secular and pro-America values. But Allah knows best.

Over a few years people will guess where the oil is ;) With so much NATO/West involved, i think there is gonna be another fake democracy. but i hope the best for libya Insha'Allah it will be based on islam, but it's unlikely.

Also consider that NTC estabilished a bank after a week the NTC was created.

[Hamza Asadullah]

It is very hypocritical of western governments to be praising his death when they befriended him and even set up arms deals for which Britain only pulled out of at the beginning of the revolution. He had both open and undercover ties with many western nations.

There is no doubt that Nato didnt intervene for no reason but that they want a big stake in the new Libya. The so called liberation is just a path of entry for secularism and the eradication of Islamic values.

Let us hope the Libyan people ensure that Islam plays a major role in the new Libya. Let us also hope Islam plays a major role in all the new Arab governments resulting from the uprisings. Ameen

[Endymion]

Im afraid Libya is going to be another Iraq.

[ابن آل مرة]

With allied forces involved, it is most likely to be a puppet leader installed by them who will do their bidding. They didn't do all this to allow a state based on Islam in. Most likely a Muslim by name, with secular and pro-America values. But Allah knows best.

ukht alkareemah, NTC has no control over the Mujahideen fighting in Libya. 90% of the fighters are Mujahideen and fighting to establish Islamic state. I know few brothers and sisters who have relatives there and they themselves confirmed this. NTC indeed called for secular government, and the West is really worried about Libya, because of all the Islamic factions. It is going to be interesting, but the Glory is for Islam, and the Believers.

This is in Bani Walid, not too long ago.

[.iman.]

Let us hope the Libyan people ensure that Islam plays a major role in the new Libya. Let us also hope Islam plays a major role in all the new Arab governments resulting from the uprisings. Ameen

ameen ya rabbi alameen

[ayan333]

Salaamu Alaykum


Since when is the spilling of the blood of a Muslim celebrated.Im not defending Gadhafi's actions...weather a tyrant or a mu'min...the shedding of Muslim blood is not taken lightly. Some say he wasnt Muslim but since when are we qualified to make such Fatwa!? SubhanALLAH whats wrong with the Ummah now a days

[ابن آل مرة]

Salaamu Alaykum


Since when is the spilling of the blood of a Muslim celebrated.Im not defending Gadhafi's actions...weather a tyrant or a mu'min...the shedding of Muslim blood is not taken lightly. Some say he wasnt Muslim but since when are we qualified to make such Fatwa!? SubhanALLAH whats wrong with the Ummah now a days

Are you kidding me? "MUSLIM" blood?

He died a Kafir, he was a Kafir, and the Ulema gave fatwa on his kufr long time ago. Saying he was a Muslim, is an insult to all the Scholars who made takfir on him for his Kufr Bawah.

Saudi scholars support Libyan uprising - Arab News

JEDDAH: Saudi scholars have declared their support for the ongoing people’s struggle against Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi and expressed their concern at the violence unleashed by forces loyal to the embattled administration.

The scholars made their position clear while responding to a recent statement by Qaddafi’s son Seif Al-Islam that before “the rebellion started, some religious preachers and scholars used to visit Libya to lick the boots of the Libyan leader.”

Member of the Saudi Council of Senior Religious Scholars Sheikh Saleh Al-Lehaydan denied that he ever issued a fatwa condemning the Libyan protesters for opposing Qaddafi.

Another scholar, Sheikh Aed Al-Qarni, said that he visited Libya last year to converse with common people in mosques and not to praise Libyan rulers.

“The bloodshed should be stopped. Qaddafi’s government is not Islamic. He is an usurper who rebelled against the Sanusi king about four decades ago and never received the oath of allegiance of the people,” said Al-Lehaydan.

The scholar added that Qaddafi is an evil conqueror who rejected the sayings of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and argued that the Holy Qur’an was enough for them. He added that Qaddafi also refused to accept the ijma (consensus) of the Companions and Muslims on Islamic matters.

“He is not an imam (leader) or a true Muslim, but a vulgar ignorant Bedouin, an arrogant man with military power,” he added.

He urged Libyans to bring down Qaddafi peacefully. “You strive to drive him out without bloodshed, not damaging the lives and property of individuals or the government. The public security should not be disrupted. He and his cohorts should be removed without bloodshed if possible,” he said.

An alleged fatwa from Salafi scholars aired by an official Libyan radio station stated that anyone fighting against Qaddafi would die as a Kharijite (a seditionist against the Islamic establishment), no funeral prayers would be said for him and the body would not be washed ritually.

Al-Lehaydan said the fatwa is a forgery because no fatwa could be issued in favor of Qaddafi. “On the other hand, anyone who dies for reaffirming the Shariah and the truth is a martyr,” the scholar said.

Al-Qarni said Al-Saedi Qaddafi, another son of the Libyan leader, demanded in a recent telephone call that the Saudi scholar denounce the current Libyan revolution. He said Al-Saedi might have been scheming to influence the Libyan public with biased statements from influential religious leaders in the Arab World.

“What Al-Saedi wants from me is to condemn the current protests against his father’s misrule,” he said.

He said Al-Saedi also told him that the Libyan protesters were infiltrators and drug addicts.

“I replied to him that he was killing women and children. Ben Ali and Mubarak also spoke like him, saying that infiltrators were causing trouble in their countries. First you stop armed attacks against the Muslim people. You stop oppression,” Al-Qarni said.

He also said that Qaddafi squandered Libya’s rich resources on stupid whims. “Qaddafi banned the Holy Qur’an and Sunna and replaced them with his Green Book,” the Saudi scholar said, adding that international organizations should make a concerted effort to help the Libyan people, who are heading for a humanitarian crisis.

May Allah preserve the Sheikh.

[Jedi_Mindset]

ukht alkareemah, NTC has no control over the Mujahideen fighting in Libya. 90% of the fighters are Mujahideen and fighting to establish Islamic state. I know few brothers and sisters who have relatives there and they themselves confirmed this. NTC indeed called for secular government, and the West is really worried about Libya, because of all the Islamic factions. It is going to be interesting, but the Glory is for Islam, and the Believers.

This is in Bani Walid, not too long ago.

Mujahideen? I don't know man, but why are NATO and USA, UK are so happy about this? Also israel is very happy with these men who liberated libya, i don't say Gadaffi was good but i'm afraid another puppet government will be placed. Insha'Allah not.

False hope, very false hope. Nato bombed libya to the stone ages tough with many civilians death, bloody hyenas. NTC is just another crap puppet government.

Over a few years the oil in libya will be gone. With so much support from the axis of evil, isn't right at all.

[Hamza Asadullah]

Are you kidding me? "MUSLIM" blood?

He died a Kafir, he was a Kafir, and the Ulema gave fatwa on his kufr long time ago. Saying he was a Muslim, is an insult to all the Scholars who made takfir

Let us not get into a debate about whether or not he or any other Muslim died a kaafir or not. Scholars can make whatever takfeer they like, at the end of the day Allah knows best and only he knows what is in the hearts and only he has the final decision, for we are no one to debate which Muslim died a kaafir or not. It is best to say Allah knows best.

And Allah knows best in all matters

[ابن آل مرة]

Mujahideen? I don't know man, but why are NATO and USA, UK are so happy about this? Also israel is very happy with these men who liberated libya, i don't say Gadaffi was good but i'm afraid another puppet government will be placed. Insha'Allah not.

False hope, very false hope. Nato bombed libya to the stone ages tough with many civilians death, bloody hyenas. NTC is just another crap puppet government.

Over a few years the oil in libya will be gone. With so much support from the axis of evil, isn't right at all.

Yes akhi, Mujahideen. That's right. To be honest akhi, it took a while and a lot of evidence for me to give them that label. The west is very hypocritical in this matter, they were supporting him all these years, and when they saw that the Libyans rose up against the tyrant, they quickly jumped on the bandwagon. They are worried as much as they are happy about the news.

I am not having false hope akhi. NATO did bomb Libya, and the Mujahideen themselves confirmed that they bombed some of the rebels, and that's why the minister who gave info on their locations was executed cause of his betrayal. That is why, the future of Libya is really interesting. Did you know that brothers from all over the world traveled to Libya and joined the Mujahideen movement? From USA, UK, Australia( A Australian Sheikh was recently martyred while fighting).

barak Allahu feek (:

[Jedi_Mindset]

Gaddafi dead: What next?

The report that the evasive Libyan ruler Colonel Muammar Gaddafi has died as a result of the wounds he sustained during a NATO attack has flung the Libyans into a jubilant frenzy while it has provoked mixed reactions from the political observers who may eye the event with reasonable degree of suspicion.


"He (Gaddafi) was also hit in his head," National Transitional Council official Abdel Majid Mlegta told Reuters. "There was a lot of firing against his group and he died."

Mlegta also revealed that Gaddafi had been wounded in both legs at dawn on Thursday while he was trying to escape in a convoy bombarded by NATO warplanes. Does this mean that the NATO forces who were sure that Gaddafi was in the convoy did not want him alive? If so, why would they want him dead? To the NATO forces, a dead Gaddafi would be better than a living one indeed. Another report however says that Gaddafi was hiding in a hole in the ground and had said "Don't shoot, don't shoot" to the men who grabbed him. Anyone without the need for a capacious memory can bring to mind the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein when he was shown coming out a hole in a similar manner.

That Gaddafi has been captured or killed does not make very much difference so long as NATO is seen as the victors in this arena.

Undeniably, the presence of US forces under the umbrella of NATO casts serious doubt on the 'good intentions' of the forces fighting shoulder to shoulder with the rebels to liquidate Gaddafi and root out the remnants of his decadent family.

Earlier, the US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton had offered millions of dollars in new aid to Libya in a so-called token of goodwill, and had urged the new leadership in the country to commit to a retribution-free future.

"I am proud to stand here on the soil of a free Libya," Clinton said on a Tuesday visit to the capital, Tripoli. "The United States was proud to stand for you in your fight for freedom and we will continue to stand with you as you continue this journey."

But why is it that the good intentions of the US government are only lavished on oil-rich countries while Palestine was deplorably ignored by the US government when Israel started a three-week bombing and invasion in 2009 in an operation known to the Israelis as Operation Cast Lead and to the Palestinians as the Gaza Massacre during which Israel unleashed a bloodbath. According to reports, in January 2009, after seven days of bombing, some 9,000-10,000 Israeli troops made a brutal invasion of Gaza, killing over 1400 Palestinians with half of them being women and children. Over 3,300 were wounded, with an estimated 45 percent of them being women and children. What happened in Gaza was a merciless offence to the hearts, the minds and the ears. But, Washington was shamelessly silent. But where does all this strategic and political apartheid come from?

Conversely, the US is acutely alert to the developments in the region particularly in oil rich countries such as Libya. Now with the reported death of Gaddafi, the US will be able to use this as a shortcut to achieve the ulterior motive it has been harboring: getting its hands on Libyan oil.

The value of Libya's oil lies in its quality rather than in its quantity. The oil coming from Libya is generally described as sweet crude oil, which needs the least possible refinement while most oil coming from Saudi Arabia and other countries is of lesser quality.

The Cuban Revolution leader, Fidel Castro, has described NATO military campaign in Libya as a means for the US to invade and take control of the country's oil.

In an article named “NATO's Inevitable War,” Castro predicted that the military campaign of the US and NATO sprang from the sheer desire of getting “their hands on the northern African country's oil”.

In a similar vein, US Congressman Dennis Kucinich blamed Washington for seeking to take control of Libya's vast oil reserves by engaging in a military intervention.

"Was the United States, through participation in the overthrow of the [Libyan] regime, furthering the aims of international oil corporations in pursuit of control over one of the world's largest oil resources?"

"Did the United States at the inception of the war against Libya align itself with elements of al-Qaeda, while elsewhere continuing to use the threat of al-Qaeda as a reason for US military intervention, presence and occupation?" he added.

He also blasted the US government for perpetuating a war the resources of which “should be spent creating jobs in America and in building bridges in America.”

Hugo Chavez, Venezuela's president, has expressed a similar concern and said the intende goal of the US in invading Libya was to get oil.

He has reiterated that the United States is after the Libyan oil; the Libyan oil is driving them crazy. They were also after the Iraqi oil when they invaded that country.

Dead or alive, Gaddafi would hardly play a part in the developments the future has in store for the Libyan nation.

The question that arises here is: how can Gaddafi's death benefit the Libyans on their path to democracy?

With the West consolidating their foothold in the country and the US carving out the fate of the Libyans, there leaves little room for a bright horizon for the country until the people unite together and decide for themselves.

-- Ismail Salami is an Iranian author and political analyst. A prolific writer, he has written numerous books and articles on the Middle East. His articles have been translated into a number of languages.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/205682.html

[ابن آل مرة]

Please watch this, amazing subhan Allah. May Allah grant them a Honorable, a Glorious victory. Ameen! May the plots of the West foil and hit them where it hurts.

[Hamza Asadullah]

We need to accept the reality that this "victory" was only due to Nato intervention. The NTC had no chance without NATO. They were on the verge of defeat until Nato intervened and supplied them with weapons and consistantly bombed Regime targets.

But let us also realise that NATO did not intervene to "liberate" the Libyan people. They couldnt care less about them. Its funny how they are not "liberating" the Bahraini and Yemeni people who are being treated very brutally by the regimes. That is because they want to keep their puppets in power.

They only intervened in Libya for their own interests, so that they can play a major role to play in the new Libya. This is what the Libyans must be very aware of. They must do their utmost to ensure that Libyas future is shaped by Islam and not western secularism.

The west and Israel are very worried right now about the future of Libya of what they call "extreme" elements in the NTC or in other words they are worried about those who want Islam to shape the future of Libya. They are extremely worried about the future of those Arab nations experiencing recent uprisings.

They have already lost their puppets in Tunisia and Egypt and almost lost their puppet in Yemen. Their puppets in other nations are also at risk. These puppets give them peace of mind that Islam will not take hold as long as they are in power. But when they are ousted then that peace of mind will dissapear replaced with fear and uncertainty. The next targets for Israel and the West...Syria and Lebanon.

May Allah bring back Islam to all the Muslim nations. Ameen.

[Darth Ultor]

Chavez thinks we want Gaddafi's oil? Then again, Chavez is the guy who thought nukes can move the tectonic plates.

[Jedi_Mindset]

Libya would be like a new iraq, i'm sad because of brothers and sisters still see the good in what nATO is doing right there. This isn't going to help libya, believe me.

NATO bombed it already to the stone ages...if USA, UK, Israel thinks this is right, then a wise muslim must think that this is wrong ;)

[GuestFellow]

He should not have been killed. Gaddafi should have been put on trial. I find the images disturbing. The people that have killed him in this manner have learnt nothing and are just as bad as Obama, who ordered to kill Osama, without a fair trial. Anyway, hope the Libyans develop the system that they want.

[A-Believer-25]

Why was he killed if he was already caught? he looked really beat up. Why are people killing others without giving a fair trial?

May Allah (SWT) grant the Libyans peace and give them a righteous leader who abides by the Quran and sunnah, ameen.

May Allah (SWT) guide us all, ameen!

[Who Am I?]

With allied forces involved, it is most likely to be a puppet leader installed by them who will do their bidding. They didn't do all this to allow a state based on Islam in. Most likely a Muslim by name, with secular and pro-America values. But Allah knows best.

:sl:

This. Iraq and Afghanistan redux. Also see Egypt.

[Abz2000]

which "mujahideen" fight behind nato and the pentagon? they must be the new "new world order approved" "mujahideen".
especially after what's happened in Afghanistan and Iraq -along with abu graib, the Quran defilement, the rapings, and the torture.
And Saudi Arabian government "scholars"? come on you surely jest...............
i am aware he ("king" "abdullah") calls himself Khaadimul Haramain, and rightly so if the white house and downing street are haramain.

O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth, and have driven out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allâh your Lord!
If you have come forth to strive in My Cause and to seek My Good Pleasure, (then take not these disbelievers and polytheists, etc., as your friends).
You show friendship to them in secret, while I am All-Aware of what you conceal and what you reveal.
And whosoever of you (Muslims) does that, then indeed he has gone astray from the Path.
....
Allâh does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allâh loves those who deal with equity.
9. It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allâh forbids you to befriend them.
And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers).
13. O you who believe! Take not as friends the people who incurred the Wrath of Allâh.
Surely, they have been in despair to receive any good in the Hereafter, just as the disbelievers have been in despair about those (buried) in graves.
Quran chapter 60

[Hamza Asadullah]

The Truth about NATO's intervention in Libya.



When one looks into the true facts behind the situation in Libya, Gaddafi's rule and the real purpose behind NATO's intervention then there is no doubt that things are not as they seem.The so called uprising was nothing more than a plot perpotrated by the west and Israel firstly to oust a regime that they were not in control of, secondly for its vast oil reserves and strategic location but the main reason for the intervention was because of currency. Gaddafi was in fact planning on creating a new African currency made of gold called the gold Dinar which would have rivalled the dollar and Euro and no doubt have shifted the economic balance of the world and would have actually meant that Africa would have become one of the richest continents in the world rather than the poorest.

Watch this short clip about the real reason for the intervention of NATO in Libya:




The west and Israel used the uprisings around the Arab world to stage an uprising in Libya in order to fulfil their agenda. Gaddafi hadmany links with western intelligence. He had links both open and undercover with the UK, the Us, Italy and many other countries. Britain was even supplying him with arms just earlier this year and stopped as soon as the "revolution" began. Blair even befriended him and told the world they should extend their hands to him. Look at the media campaign when the Iraq invasion was taking place. How they made Sadaam out to be like a monster when a few years before he was an ally to the west. Was Iraq liberated after Saddam got killed? Of course not. It is worse now than it has ever been and the situation is only getting worse. Unfortunately it is looking like Libya will meet the same fate. Outside forces will continue to try and de-stabilize it just like in Iraq and Pakistan.


Learn about Gaddafis links with western inteligence :



What exactly was the alleged "uprising" for? The situation in Libya is nothing like it was in Tunisia, Yemen or Egypt where there were no jobs or prospects. The Libyan people were provided with free healthcare, housing, education, their marriages were paid for, their businesses were set up for them, they had the cheapest fuel you can imagine, they had interest free loans, they had a share in the countrys wealth. They were able to practise Islam as much as they liked. Did you know how rich Libya was before the uprising? It was called the Switzerland of Africa. Its people were very well looked after.


Learn the truth about the situation in Libya before the alleged "uprisings":





When looking into the history of Gaddafis 40 year rule although he was not a role model for Muslims and made many mistakes and errors he cared more for his people than most leaders in this world. The overwhelming majority of Libyans loved and supported him. Does this look like a people who were against their leader:



This was also confirmed by jounalists who went to Libya during the beginning of the uprisings and confirmed that all they saw was Gaddafi supporters everywhere. Journalists also confirm that NATO targetted mainly civilian targets proving their aim was to destabilize Libya. What we are constantly being fed by the mainstream media is utter lies and deception.

He wasn't like other Arab leaders he wasnt scared to speak out, he always told it how it was and this is why most Arab leaders did not like him.

Watch how Gaddafi tells the truth infront of all the Arab leaders:



He certainly wasnt a puppet of the west like most of the Arab leaders are today. He didnt sell out his peolple out like scum like Saleh, Zardari and the Saudi monarchy. Israel and the west will try and ensure that Libya also has a leader that will sell out its people and become its puppet whilst they milk its oil reserves.

There is just so much dishonesty, hypocrisy and double standards in this world and the amount of lies we are being constantly fed by the mainstream media is unbelievable. They are conditioning our views and perceptions constantly all of the time. But the reality is very different.


Now learn the truth about the NATO intevention in Libya - Watch all 6 parts:





May Allah bring back truth and justice into the world and bring about true and just Muslim leaders who will not sell out its people and become puppets of the west. Ameen

[Abz2000]

yes you're correct about the popular support he had in his country brother hamzah:



1.7 million green flag waving pro-Gaddafi libyans rallying in tripoli is (WAS) around 95% of the population of tripoli - or almost a third of all libyans meeting there.
when the nato controlled "rebels" now shoot and kill pro-Gaddafi protesters - the western media refer to them as "gaddafi fighters" (despite them having only flags), or "insurgents" if they are armed.
funny they never used the term before.............

when they can't get enough protesters themselves - they show people in india waving indian flags .......... and pretend it's green square - libya!

[Abz2000]

here's a strong motive:




Is Libya being bombed by bloody U.S. Zio thugs because Gaddafi wants to introduce gold dinar?

Publication time:

22 March 2011, 16:14

.......On this financial basis, Colonel Gaddafi offered to create a

single African state with Arab and Black African population numbering
200 million people.The idea of creating a single gold currency and uniting the countries of
Africa into one powerful federal system has been actively supported during the last year
by a number of Arabic and almost all African states.

Democracy-infested South Africa
and the Arab League
opposed to the idea.

The US and the EU reacted very negatively to such a initiative.

According to a French Zio "president" Sarkozy:
"the Libyans have set on the financial security of mankind."
Repeated calls by the Leader of the
Libyan Revolution yields some results: Gaddafi has made more and more
steps aimed at creating a United Africa. ....

.......


Sarkozy hints at military attack on Libya

French President Nicolas Sarkozy says Paris will lead an attack on Libyan territories
in a bid to protect the civilian population and preserve human consciousness.

Speaking at a press conference, broadcast live by Press TV on Saturday afternoon, Sarkozy emphasized that
embattled Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi can “avoid the worst” if he respects UN resolution.

He also stressed that diplomatic doors will reopen in Libya if attacks end.

The remarks come as world leaders have gathered in Paris to discuss military action against Libya.

American, European and Arab leaders are attending the summit.

read more here:
http://abz2000.com/TheMoneyChangers.aspx

they consider gold to be "terrorism"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkl1H...eature=related

[Abz2000]

Brother salman, I agree that he was not an ideal Muslim leader,
He also apparently didn't like the idea of khilafah,
But what the NATO and pentagon want there is much worse (though Allah's wisdom and plan is best)
Usury was forbidden in Libya,
Now the the rothschilds have an open door.
The first act of the rebels, even before they established any authority - was to declare a central bank and an oil company.
Both were in the people's hands before.

he was also one of the only leaders in the region who refused to bow to zionist demands and always actively supported the Palestinians,
when morocco,tunisia, and egypt hounded the palestinian aid convoy and kept them away from civilian populations as they passed through, libya gave them an official greeting and held a celebration in every city they passed through, and then gave them a donation of another 100 loaded lorries (doubling the convoy) to take on their way- it was the ONLY Muslim country to allow them to speak freely and publicly.
watch this to understand:



it's an enlightening account of what happened - but if you're rushing - scroll to 3 min 25 seconds of part 3 ,

but maybe this is Allah (swt)'s way of totally separating Islam from kufr with nothing fancy in between - including socialism
socialism is now gone in Iraq - with only Islam or kufr remaining
socialism is gone from libya - with only Islam or kufr remaining
i wonder what the condition of Iran will be..............
peace

[Abz2000]

despite initially pretending it was about Gaddafi - they're already drawing a parallel with Iraq - just like they did with saddam.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201..._131204469.htm

[MSalman]

as-salaamu alaykum

Bismillah

It's quite shameful that my post was deleted but whatever

Brother Abz, as far I'm concerned, he was not a Muslim, PERIOD. You can make all the excuses you want for him but instead of relying on our half baked conclusions based on media reports and our personal political theories maybe we should talk to Libyan brothers and sisters who shed their blood for this revolution and listen to what they have to say. Instead of being so negative about it and making excuses for a person like Gaddafi, why can't we be bit more positive and waste our energy and efforts on making dua' that Allah give rise to righteous people and fail all the plans of the kuffaar!!?

I also had my reservations about west's intervene and replacing Gaddafi with another corrupt ruler but what I have heard from trustworthy brothers/sisters that 90%+ people in the miliatry and high political posts are Islamists. So that gives me hope and forces me to remain postive and make dua. Even if that wasn't the case, we should still remain positive and make dua instead of bickering about it which bring no benefit to us and even dangerous for our own imaan. Why can't we have some tawakkul in Allah's Mercy and Plans?

I'm going to quote what two brothers said in another forum and with that I rest my case with Allah - I would rather waste my time and energy on pondering about my affairs and making dua for my Muslim brothers and sisters:

Most of the soldiers on the ground and the military leaders are what Europeans refer to as "Islamists". And they are kind of in the way of an all out kaafir domination of Libya. Allahu A'lam how things unfold next.

Ps. how come Muslims only see the negatives in every situation? Some Muslims are in a constant state of despair. When the Tawagheet are in power, they complain that the Ummah is not ready to take them out. When they are removed, they complain that things didn't go exactly according to how they imagined. Or they claim that we've merely exchanged one kufr with another, instead of looking at the positives which far outweigh any perceived negatives. We should be careful not be ungrateful towards Allah, He is the one who has decreed that this would be the outcome of the revolution. Things happen in stages, you can't expect that everything will go 100% according to your dreams.

I wonder how these Muslims would have reacted had they witnessed al-Hudaybiyyah.

We must all pray that NATO's plans backfire.

Pickthall
Verily they have plotted their plot, and their plot is with Allah, though their plot were one whereby the mountains should be moved.

[ardianto]

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This is the picture of Masjid Moammar Qaddafi in Qaddafi Islamic Center, Sentul, Bogor, Indonesia.

Was completed built in 2009, Qaddafi Islamic Center funded by World Islamic Call Society, an Islamic organization in Libya that founded and funded by Moammar Qaddafi.

Latest news from QIC, hundreds people performed salat-ul gaib for Moammar Qaddafi.

[Darth Ultor]

That's a mosque? Looks more like the entrance to a theme park.

[ardianto]

That's a mosque? Looks ore like the entrance to a theme park.

There is fountain in its park.

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And this is Gaddafi mosque in Kampala, Uganda.

[GuestFellow]

That's a mosque? Looks ore like the entrance to a theme park.

Lol, I actually like the design of the mosque. :)

[Hamza Asadullah]

as-salaamu alaykum

Bismillah

It's quite shameful that my post was deleted but whatever

Brother Abz, as far I'm concerned, he was not a Muslim, PERIOD. You can make all the excuses you want for him but instead of relying on our half baked conclusions based on media reports and our personal political theories maybe we should talk to Libyan brothers and sisters who shed their blood for this revolution and listen to what they have to say. Instead of being so negative about it and making excuses for a person like Gaddafi, why can't we be bit more positive and waste our energy and efforts on making dua' that Allah give rise to righteous people and fail all the plans of the kuffaar!!?

I also had my reservations about west's intervene and replacing Gaddafi with another corrupt ruler but what I have heard from trustworthy brothers/sisters that 90%+ people in the miliatry and high political posts are Islamists. So that gives me hope and forces me to remain postive and make dua. Even if that wasn't the case, we should still remain positive and make dua instead of bickering about it which bring no benefit to us and even dangerous for our own imaan. Why can't we have some tawakkul in Allah's Mercy and Plans?

I'm going to quote what two brothers said in another forum and with that I rest my case with Allah - I would rather waste my time and energy on pondering about my affairs and making dua for my Muslim brothers and sisters:

Brother are you from Libya? Have you ever lived there? If not then how do you know the situation there so well? Because a few people told you? Do they live there? You talk as if you lived in oppression in Libya when you know nothing about the true situation there.

It is easy to speak with so much hatred after your views, perceptions and mind becomes so conditioned by constant media lies and tricks but the reality is very different and you must wake upto reality and realise that this intervention by NATO will not benefit Libya in anyway just like US intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq has only made the situation there a million times worse.

The purpose of the intervention has NOTHING to do with "liberating" its people. Just before the alleged "uprising" the west was eating out of his hands, and just when the uprising began Britain pulled out of dealing arms to Libya. He even helped Sarkozy get presidentship and that is why he wanted Gaddaffi gone before he could reveal the truth. Gadaffi had major links to western intelligence there is no doubt about that.

The only purpose of the western intervention in Libya is to cause it to de-stablize Libya just like what happened in Iraq when the US apparently went in to "liberate the Iraqis, Really? That is why it is now the most destablized country on Earth. They only want Libya to meet the same fate so that it never progresses, They want to squander its vast oil reserves and wealth and to establish a leadership who will sell out its people like what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Do you think the west would spend BILLIONS of dollars intervening in Libya to "liberate" its people? You are truly dillusional if you believe that. They could not care less if every Libyan was slaughtered. The west would NEVER have intervened and spent so much money without wanting their agenda fulfilled for they will be requiring pay back for their efforts and believe me they will not settle for anythihng less than to play a major role in Libya and squander its resources.

Do you think they will allow Islamization of Libya after all they have done? Please wake up to reality my brother.

Whatever we think of Gaddaffi he never sold out his people. He is far from being an angel but he is far better than all of our current "Muslim" leaders put together.

[tigerkhan]

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i forgot the name of that suhabi RA but after the conflict btw muslims after the death of Usman RA, he break his sword as said that i was advised such by prophet PBUH and he get aside from all this fitna and fighting.
if all ppl of the world will be inovlved in killing of a innocent person, allah swt will send all of them to jahanum. i dont know who give them right to kill him..??? is this the way described in islam ???
i am sad by all this accident, besides he was wrong or right.
:wa:

[tigerkhan]

Whatever we think of Gaddaffi he never sold out his people. He is far from being an angel but he is far better than all of our current "Muslim" leaders put together

exactly...we are bearing much more wrost than him in pakistan and we didnot did such. i like our opposition leader Nawaz Shairf just bcz he blv in peaceful way and he had not lust for goveronment and i think its blessing from allah swt. otherwise if some other greedy person in that position can put country in war and fitna. allah swt save us from such happening.

[tigerkhan]

i hate those ppl who just for the sake of few dollars, power or some other worldy favors, exploit ppl and indulge them in war, killing and fitna.

[Muslim Woman]

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Do you think the west would spend BILLIONS of dollars intervening in Libya to "liberate" its people? .....Whatever we think of Gaddaffi he never sold out his people. He is far from being an angel but he is far better than all of our current "Muslim" leaders put together.

I agree . At least , he had courage to protest against the Western tyrants .

May Allah forgives his sins and grants him Jannat.

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[Abz2000]

this is how even Mu'awiyah dealt with meddlers in Muslim disputes:

According to Arab historian Ibn Kathir

At the height of tension when fighting was about to erupt at Siffin between Imam Ali and Muawiyah, Muawiyah was informed that the Byzantine Emperor raised a very large army and was drawing very close to the borders of the Muslim state. He wrote to him, giving him a very clear warning,

'By God, if you do not stop your designs and go back to your place, I will end my dispute with my cousin and will drive you out of the entire land you rule,
until I make the earth too tight for you.' The Byzantine Emperor was scared off and abandoned his plans.

also watch this: scroll to 2 min 20 seconds to pass the arabic khutbah:

[Muslim Woman]

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Clinton on Qaddafi: "We Came, We Saw, He Died"

Video

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton shared a laugh with a television news reporter moments after hearing deposed Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi had been killed.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29472.htm


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Gaddafi Death: Envoy Slams 'Sadistic' Triumphalism

By RT

"The faces of the leaders of 'world democracies' are so happy, as if they remembered how they hanged stray cats in basements in their childhoods,"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29476.htm

[Galaxy]

I wonder what will be the future of Libya now that Gaddafi's gone. Not only Libya but other countries that overthrown their dictator too, such as Egypt. So far I am hearing stuff about democracy but it's a chance to become a better Muslim country instead.

[Muslim Woman]

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if a Muslim ruler is bad , is it allowed for other Muslims to invite Kaffirs to bomb on the land and civilians ? Is there any Ayat or hadith that supports it ?

[Ali_008]

His death is not a good news for any Muslim. It is just a victory of the west to make Libya another Iraq and Afghanistan. Under his rule, the people of Libya prospered. He had his flaws but still he wasn't a tyrant either. The citizens had a direct share in the economy and Libya was the most progressive country in Africa. Now, we'll just have to see where it all goes (or goes down, considering the history).

[Salahudeen]

Well I just watched the liberation day speech in Behnghazi, the speaker was saying the countries new law will be based upon Islamic sharia, and they will create riba free banks, and remove laws that are in violation of Islam, such as the law that you're only allowed to marry one wife. Allah hu alam whether it comes to fruition or not.

[Abz2000]

that's what they did with the taliban...............before calling them extremists and then attacking them



still......i believe Allah's plan is all-encompassing and that good will ultimately come out of it.
but i still do not believe a true Islamic government will turn to the enemies of Islam after all that's happened so far.
and that guy they've put as general in benghazi has been in afganistan and iraq and knows the past............extremely suspicious.
Gaddafi had allied with russia in opposition to US and european interests - it will now change.


this is what Afghanistan is called now:
Afghanistan

ⁱ/æfˈɡænɨstæn/ (Persian/Pashto: افغانستان, Afġānistān), officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, is a landlocked country in South and Central Asia.

the office of Karzai still takes orders from washington. And the country is now riddled with US air force bases - Just like Saudi Arabia and Iraq



here's a little background i put together:

Under King Idris - The economy prospered from oil exports and the presence of the United States Air Force's Wheelus Air Base near Tripoli.
To the chagrin of Arab nationalists at home and supporters of Pan-Arabism in neighbouring states, Idris maintained close ties with Britain and the United States, even after Britain intervened against Egypt during the 1956 Suez Crisis.

Gaddafi went on to study law at the University of Libya, where he graduated with high grades. He then entered the Military Academy in Benghazi in 1963, where he and a few of his fellow militants organized a secretive group dedicated to overthrowing the pro-Western Libyan monarchy.

After U.S. forces had left Libya in 1970, Wheelus Air Base, a previous U.S. facility about seven miles (11 km) from Tripoli, became a Libyan Air Force installation and was renamed Okba Ben Nafi Air Base.

Gaddafi based his new regime on a blend of Arab nationalism, aspects of the welfare state and what Gaddafi termed “direct, popular democracy.” He called this system “Islamic socialism” and while he permitted private control over small companies, the government controlled the larger ones. Welfare, “liberation,” and education were emphasized. He also imposed a system of Islamic morals, outlawing alcohol and gambling. To reinforce the ideals of this socialist-Islamic state, Gaddafi outlined his political philosophy in his Green Book, published in three volumes between 1975 and 1979.

With respect to Libya's neighbors, Gaddafi followed Nasser's ideas of pan-Arabism and became a fervent advocate of the unity of all Arab states into one Arab nation. He also supported pan-Islamism, the notion of a loose union of all Islamic countries and peoples.

Gaddafi also became a strong supporter of the Palestine Liberation Organization,
which ultimately harmed Libya's relations with Egypt when in 1979 Egypt pursued a peace agreement with Israel.
As Libya's relations with Egypt worsened, Gaddafi sought closer relations with the Soviet Union.
Libya became the first country outside the Soviet bloc to receive the supersonic MiG-25 combat fighters, but Soviet-Libyan relations remained relatively distant. Gaddafi also sought to increase Libyan influence, especially in states with an Islamic population, by calling for the creation of a Saharan Islamic state and supporting anti-government forces in sub-Saharan Africa.

Tensions between Libya and the West reached a peak during the Ronald Reagan administration, which tried to overthrow Gaddafi.
The Reagan administration viewed Libya as a belligerent rogue state because of its uncompromising stance on Palestinian independence,
its support for revolutionary Iran in its 1980-1988 war against Saddam Hussein's Iraq and its backing for “liberation movements” in the developing world.
Reagan himself dubbed Gaddafi the “mad dog of the Middle East.” In March 1982 the U.S. declared a ban on the import of Libyan oil and the export to Libya of US oil industry technology; European nations did not follow suit.

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whadya think?
despite not being a total Islamic leader - he would NEVER allow the US or britain to install bases in his country,
these "rebels" have made a deal with the devil - and the devil is treacherous by nature.
do you think there are no conditions in this un-holy alliance?
Gaddafi also made a sort of deal after the invasion of Iraq, when they were pointing at him for possessing wmd - and helped them in the "war on terror", they got him to peacefully disarm - then they betrayed him with the help of the ones they made him suppress.

15. Like those who lately preceded them, they have tasted the evil result of their conduct; and (in the Hereafter there is) for them a grievous Penalty;-
16. (Their allies deceived them), like the Evil One, when he says to man, "Deny Allah.:
but when (man) denies Allah, (the Evil One) says, "I am free of thee: I do fear Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!"
17. The end of both will be that they will go into the Fire, dwelling therein for ever. Such is the reward of the wrong-doers.
Quran 59:15-17

NATO could not have taken over libya without an all out war which the Western people would not have supported (they used the ruse of a "no-fly zone")
and have now taken over libya with a military coup d'état, they have used Islam as a mantle to hold support and gain fighters - just as they did in Afghanistan,
now those fighters are on a US database. (ALQaeda).

Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook wrote that the word al-Qaeda should be translated as "the database", and originally referred to the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen militants who were recruited and trained with CIA help to defeat the Russians.

A coup d'état (English: /ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/, French: [ku deta]; plural: coups d'état)—also known as a coup, putsch, and overthrow—is the sudden, extrajudicial deposition of a government,^[1][2][3] usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to replace the deposed government with another body; either civil or military. A coup d'état succeeds if the usurpers establish their dominance when the incumbent government fails to prevent or successfully resist their consolidation of power. If the coup neither fully fails nor achieves overall success, the attempted coup d'état is likely to lead to a civil war.

[Salahudeen]

that's what they did with the taliban...............before calling them extremists and then attacking them

Brother they are all ready talking about it, the presenter on the news was saying "isn't it a concern that they want to Implement sharia"

[Hamza Asadullah]

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if a Muslim ruler is bad , is it allowed for other Muslims to invite Kaffirs to bomb on the land and civilians ? Is there any Ayat or hadith that supports it ?

Wa alaikum asalaam. Consider the following:

Abul-Hârith Ahmad b. Muhammad Al-Sâ`igh, the close and respected friend of Imâm Ahmad, reports:

I asked Abû ‘Abdillâh (Imâm Ahmad) about something that had occurred in Baghdâd, and [because of which] some people were considering revolting [against the ruler]. I said, “O Abû ‘Abdillâh, what do you say about taking part in the revolt with these people?” He decried it and started saying, “Subhânallâh! The blood [of the people], the blood [of the people]! I do not believe in this and I do not tell others to do it. For us to suffer our situation in patience is better than the fitnah (tribulation) in which blood is spilt, property is taken, and the prohibited are violated (e.g. the honor of women). Do you not know what happened to the people (in the days of the previous fitnah)?” I said, “And the people today, Abû ‘Abdillâh, are they not in fitnah [because of the ruler]?” He replied, “If so, it is a limited fitnah, but if the sword is raised, the fitnah will engulf everything and there will be no way to escape. To suffer patiently this [current difficulty], where Allâh keeps your religion safe for you is better for you.” I saw him decry revolting against the leaders, and say, “[Do not spill the people's] blood. I do not believe in this and I do not command it.”

Abû Bakr Al-Khallâl, Al-Sunnah article 89.

[AabiruSabeel]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15420848

Muammar Gaddafi's website, Seven Days News, says it has published the last will of the deceased former leader of Libya.

The document was reportedly handed to three of his relatives, one of whom was killed, the second arrested and the third managed to escape the fighting in Sirte.

Here is the English translation:

"This is my will. I, Muammar bin Mohammad bin Abdussalam bi Humayd bin Abu Manyar bin Humayd bin Nayil al Fuhsi Gaddafi, do swear that there is no other God but Allah and that Mohammad is God's Prophet, peace be upon him. I pledge that I will die as Muslim.

Should I be killed, I would like to be buried, according to Muslim rituals, in the clothes I was wearing at the time of my death and my body unwashed, in the cemetery of Sirte, next to my family and relatives.

I would like that my family, especially women and children, be treated well after my death. The Libyan people should protect its identity, achievements, history and the honourable image of its ancestors and heroes. The Libyan people should not relinquish the sacrifices of the free and best people.

I call on my supporters to continue the resistance, and fight any foreign aggressor against Libya, today, tomorrow and always.

Let the free people of the world know that we could have bargained over and sold out our cause in return for a personal secure and stable life. We received many offers to this effect but we chose to be at the vanguard of the confrontation as a badge of duty and honour.

Even if we do not win immediately, we will give a lesson to future generations that choosing to protect the nation is an honour and selling it out is the greatest betrayal that history will remember forever despite the attempts of the others to tell you otherwise."

[Muslim Woman]

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I, Muammar bin Mohammad bin Abdussalam bi Humayd bin Abu Manyar bin Humayd bin Nayil al Fuhsi Gaddafi, do swear that there is no other God but Allah and that Mohammad is God's Prophet, peace be upon him. "

I have read in other forum that some scholars said Gaddafi was a kaffir. I hope , after reading his last will , no one should repeat the lie.

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I pledge that I will die as Muslim.

[Hamza Asadullah]

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I have read in other forum that some scholars said Gaddafi was a kaffir. I hope , after reading his last will , no one should repeat the lie.

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I pledge that I will die as Muslim.

Scholars will always give contradictory takfeer. One set of scholars declaring takfeer on someone and another saying something different. Making takfeer on a Muslim is very dangerous because if the person is not worthy of it then it goes back to the person who said it.

Allah will eventually remove every person from Jahannam who had an atom of faith in their hearts and he can forgive who he wants. So those people going around saying this or that person died a kaafir should worry about their own fate and ensure they die with imaan and not concern themselves with something ONLY Allah can decide.

It is also not good to speak about a dead Muslim in a bad way. It is best to take precaution and just say Allah knows best.

[Ali_008]

I've read somewhere that he was a Munkar-e-Ahadith (Rejector of Ahadith) and believed only in the Qur'an. Possibly that's what makes people call him a kaafit but still I agree with Brother Hamza^^^^^^.

[karimium]

the rebels dont have a clue what's coming their way, sure gadaffi had secret police and tortured the islamists, but he was one of the few rulers of muslim countries who had a backbone, and even if he didnt rule by shariah, he followed his gut and did what he felt is right.

the libyan people will now suffer, a new government will be instilled who will follow basic shariah civil code, and the islamists will be content with seeing women wearing burkas and stuff, meanwhile the country gets economically raped and has all of its oil sold for dirt cheap.

oil will be shipped out of the country for cheap, while prices in libyan gas pumps stay sky high.

the country will not have one strong ruler but a collection of republics east and west, power will be brokered down, the country will not have a strong single voice, and will be easily exploited.

say goodbye to all these
About Libya and the evil Gaddafi:
- cars are sold at the factory price
- people get credit money without interest
- education and helfcare are free
- 25% of population has faculty education
- 15 cents one bread
- their are no people homeless people on the street, everyone has a place to live
- young married people receive a free place to stay from the State
And the list continues...
No wonder the people who rule the "free" world view Libya as a problem.



to the person who cited "saudi scholar" calling gadaffi a khafir.

wow. just wow.

The guy may not have forced women to wear burka, and if that is your interpretation of what islam is then im not surprised you say that. for me anyone who beleives in the shadah is a muslim as far as im concered and the rest is up to Allah to judge.

We have a serious lack of strong leaders in the muslim word, we have just lost another.

well done wahabbis, you have succeeded in destroy muslim nations and handing over power to your colonialist friends.. well done!

[Abz2000]

brother, i agree with much of what you say, but walking around uncovered causes society to fall into decadence and fitnah which slowly ruins the soul - i can tell you first hand -as we see all around us,
the prophet (pbuh) saw his sister in law asma (ra) in see through/tight clothes and told her that a true Muslimah should be covered other than face and hands,

i would say that despite gaddafi's mistakes - IMHO he was a lot better than most of the leaders we now have in the whole world.
he held himself with some dignity and did not grovel to those stronger than him.
may Allah have mercy on him and overlook his and our faults - since none of us are free from straying from even the Quran -and moreso the hadith.
and regarding the leaders of the muslim lands who claim to be wahhabis, studying imam Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab's life should tell you that they are as far from it as the pope is from Prophet Isa (as).
the imam was a magnetic figure through whom they gained support of the people.

may the light of iman grow in our hearts, and the rage against manipulation make us strong.
peace

[Muslim Woman]

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WARNING
Pictures and Videos should only be viewed by a mature audience

Gaddafi Sodomized By NATO Supported Rebels
Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

By Tracey Shelton

An analysis appears to confirm that a rebel fighter sodomized Gaddafi with a knife.


http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle29508.htm

[Al-manar]

May Allah s curse be upon you... naive, NATO Supported puppets

May Allah forgive and bless your soul Gaddafi ....

[Predator]

This is the guy who we love to call a tyrant...
The media has successfully painted Gaddafi as a hard-core dictator, tyrant and whatever you want to call him. However, the media as usual failed to show the kind, giving Gaddafi we never heard of. Gaddafi unlike most dictators has managed to show his humane side, the very side seldom seen in other dictators. At least he did not have farcical elections like Hosni Mubarak or Saddam Hussain neither was he as repressive as Saudi Arabia.
The happiest person must be Amr Mousa who orchestrated sanctions against Libya and when they slammed cruise missiles he was surprised. Gaddafi was the one who had offered to unite with Egypt. Egypt turned it down. In many ways the guy was good. He was the best friend along with China of Pakistan on the basis of common faith. Now there are some who want to change The Gaddafi Stadium name. If that happens that will be the height of larceny.
He espoused the Palestine cause and suffered most with sanctions while other countries that are most repressive, beyond imagination, as compliant states have enjoyed all the patronage while doing nothing for Palestine. The campaign against him seems to be hate driven, not love driven.

Yes, Gaddafi has spent millions of Libya`s money on questionable ventures but is the average Libyan poor? We know others who take a country, loot and destroy it. Did Gaddafi loot Libya in any way? Read: (by the way who does not take action against rebels? In neighboring countries, in such cases villages and towns are wiped out. Remember 1979 (not Iran).

Now let us get to the unpublicized and hidden facts about the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi:

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya ; electricity is free for all its citizens.

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.

3. Home considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.

5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya . Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.

6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms – all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance.

8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.

9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.

10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally.

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000.

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15

15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree

16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

Which other dictator has done much good to his people besides.
The above two points which were itching enemy(west) of Gaddafi are no external debt for this country and The project called Man Made River by the King, Gaddafi doesn’t want Libyans to be dependent on others for Water, Petrol or Irrigation or any… he tried his best but enemy wins!!!!!! and poor ignorant people handed them self to enemy by killing a protector and his sons in such a manner that even animals will not do to their enemy after all he was a king to them.





About Man Made River (The Project which brought water in a Desert) please read:
28 August 1984: Muammar Gaddafi lays the foundation stone in Sarir area for the commencement of the construction of the Great Man-Made River Project.
it is the largest underground network of pipes (2820 km) ^[2] and aqueducts in the world. It consists of more than 1,300 wells, most more than 500 m deep, and supplies 6,500,000 m³ of fresh water per day to the cities of Tripoli, Benghazi, Sirte and elsewhere. The deceased Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi described it as the "Eighth Wonder of the World.”
The project is owned by the Great Man-Made River Project Authority and funded by the Gaddafi government.
The total cost of the project is projected at more than US$25 billion. Libya claims to have completed the work to date without the financial support of major countries or loans from world banks.
The fossil aquifer from which this water is being supplied is the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System. It accumulated during the last ice age and is not currently being replenished. If 2007 rates of retrieval are not increased, the water could last a thousand years
During the 2011 Libyan civil war, the Great Man made River was bombed by NATO, cutting off drinking water supplies for many Libyans as a result.

A time will come when Libyans will realize whose job they have done? Their own or that of its enemies? Just as Afghans and the so called Jihadists are discovering whose cause they fought after the Soviet invasion. Thoughtlessly they had plunged in . Who asked them to the dirty job of some one else? From that day till today people are suffering in Afghanistan and around. People like these don't need enemies? They love to press the self destruct button.

Now some will enjoy free or cheap oil a la Iraq!
Bhooka tha kaee roz se, ab hath jo aayee
Aram se ghar baith ke makhi ko udaya.
Allama Iqbal In Bang e dara.

"Do not read to contradict and refute,
nor to believe and take it for granted,
but to weigh and consider."

[IslamicRevival]

It's sickening seeing people in Libya rejoicing and celebrating Gaddafi's execution, they alongside the NATO Puppets NTC are an absolute disgrace. These animals have sold their souls and country to NATO, you stupid stupid people. I never thought of Gaddafi as a dictator, he was no worse then the current Saudi king, the war criminal killer bush, Blair and Obama! The world has gone mad, absolutely bonkers

[alpharius]

This is excellent news! Another brutal dictator is dead! Obama has done and excellent job this year. First Osama bin Laden, now Gadaffi. Obama has done a good job in destroying evil in our world.

[Salahudeen]

This is excellent news! Another brutal dictator is dead! Obama has done and excellent job this year. First Osama bin Laden, now Gadaffi. Obama has done a good job in destroying evil in our world.

Out of interest, what was so bad about Ghadaffi, as I still don't know why people hated him so much, did he deprive his people of a good quality of life while he lived like a king? What was brutal about his regime before the protests started? I understand he became brutal when the protests started but in the 40 years prior to that what did he inflict upon his people that was so brutal and unjust? I'm genuinely asking cos I sincerely don't know.

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/ Peace

This is excellent news! Another brutal dictator is dead! Obama has done and excellent job this year. First Osama bin Laden, now Gadaffi. Obama has done a good job in destroying evil in our world.

hmmm who will destroy the western evils ? U will express ur happiness then ?

[A-Believer-25]

This is excellent news! Another brutal dictator is dead! Obama has done and excellent job this year. First Osama bin Laden, now Gadaffi. Obama has done a good job in destroying evil in our world.

I am disappointed with the way those fighters acted. It was horrifying.

[جوري]

Green book or the Quran?

بنظرة علميه وموضوعية وبعيدا ً عن الشعارات والتصويغات والتخريجات والزينة الكلامية للنظام فإن (الكتاب الأخضر) هو ماكان في واقع الممارسة الفعلية – ولايزال - يمثل (شريعة المجتمع) الفعلية في ليبيا وليس (القرآن الكريم) كما يزعمون .. فالكتاب الأخضر في واقع الممارسة هو "المصدر الأول والأعلى" للتشريع والتوجيه في ليبيا!.. فإن من خصائص (الشريعه) أن تكون هي المرجعيه العليا للفكر والدوله والمجتمع والإقتصاد بل وتمثل مصدر تلقي الأحكام والتوجيهات العليا في الدولة والمجتمع وتمثل الإطار العام الذي يمكن التفكير وفقه وتحته ولا يصح الخروج عليه بحال من الأحوال! .. فالقرآن الكريم – على سبيل المثال - يحل الربح والتجارة والإجاره والعمل بأجرة بعبارات صريحة ولكن الكتاب الأخضر حرم وجرم ذلك في وقت من الأوقات وإعتبر الربح زقوم والتجارة إستغلال وحرام وسرقه!! .. فلمن كان السمع والطاعة والإتباع عندئذ لكتاب الله أم لكتاب معمر القذافي !!؟ .. والقرآن الكريم يحرم ويجرم الربا والإقراض بالربا والكتاب الأخضر لم يحرم أو يجرم ذلك سواء من خلال النص على ذلك أو في واقع ممارسة الحكم والتشريع فلمن الحكم؟!!.. للقرآن أم للكتاب الأخضر!؟.
لقد حاول العقيد القذافي خلال الفترة الماضيه – إبان فترة السبعينيات والثمانييات - إقناع العوام والخواص من الليبيين بأن أحاديث الرسول – صلى الله عليه وسلم – جملة ً وتفصيلا ً كلها باطله ومزوره ومجموعة من الأكاذيب المنسوبه للنبي وإرتكز في فريته تلك على ضرب الأحاديث بعضها ببعض بشكل غوغائي سطحي (ديموغواجي) .. ثم ما لبث بعد ذلك أن رفع شعار طويل عريض مفاده أن : (القرآن شريعة المجتمع) وهو مجرد شعار دعائي فقط إذ أننا في الواقع العملي والمشهود سنجد أن الكتاب الأخضر لا القرآن الكريم هو شريعة البلاد ودستور المجتمع الفعلي! .. وهو من له السيادة العليا والكلمة الفصل في قضايا الفكر والتشريع وهو الإطار العام الذي يحكم السياسات والتشريعات في الدولة .. وهو الكتاب (المقدس) الأعلى و(الخط الأحمر) الذي لايمكن المساس به أو التعرض له بالنقد والإعتراض فهو إنجيل الثورة وإنجيل الدولة مع إنه إنجيل ملفق وعقيم! .. ضرره أكبر من نفعه كما أثبتت التجربه!.. ومع ذلك فلا يمكن الخروج عنه قيد إنمله إلا إذا قرر صاحبه وكاتبه نفسه حيث إضطر تحت ضغوطات الفشل الداخلي والضغط الدولي إلى التخلي عن تطبيق إشتراكيتة المتطرفة الشبيهة بالشيوعيه! .. ففي الجماهيرية يمكنك إنتقاد (سنة النبي) ولكن لا يمكنك بحال من الأحوال إنتقاد الكتاب الأخضر أو سنة وسياسة القذافي !؟ … وهذه هي صفات وخصائص شريعة أي مجتمع! .
فالكتاب الأخضر في الواقع هو شريعة المجتمع الفعليه على الرغم من الإدعاء الرسمي بأن القرآن هو شريعة المجتمع تماما ً كالإدعاء الرسمي بأن السلطه والثروة والسلاح جميعها بيد الشعب بينما في الواقع الفعلي نجدها في يد العقيد القذافي وقطط الثورة السمان !.. فالسلطة الفعلية كانت ولازالت في يد العقيد القذافي بما لديه من سلطات وصلاحيات ثوريه واسعه ومطلقه وغير محدده ولامسؤولة أمام أية جهة سوى أمام المزاج والضمير الثوري كما في نص خرافة وثيقة الشرعيه الثوريه سيئة الذكر! .. والإدعاء بأن القرآن هو شريعة المجتمع كالإدعاء أن الشعب الليبي هو سيد ورب الدولة الليبية بينما الواقع العملي الذي يعرفه كل عقلاء وزعماء العالم يصرخ بأن العقيد معمر القذافي هو سيد ورب هذه الدولة والآمر الناهي فيها !؟.
فالواقع الملموس يؤكد لنا أن "الكتاب الأخضر" كان ولا يزال هو شريعة المجتمع فهو له الكلمة العليا!..وهذا نوع من الشرك الخفي فالله تعالى يحل التجارة والكتاب الأخضر يحرم ويجرم الربح والتجارة ويجعلها في حكم السرقه! .. صحيح أن النظام الآن إضطر للتراجع عن مقولات الكتاب الأخضر في الجانب الإقتصادي بعد أن فشلت الإشتراكية ولكن الكتاب الأخضر لايزال له القداسة حيث يجب تلاوته قبل كل نشرة أخبار وترتيله ترتيلا ً!! ولا يزال يعتبر "خطا ً أحمر" ممنوع المساس به وإنتقاده وتفنيد مقولاته بشكل علني ومباشر حتى من قبل أهل الإختصاص في الجامعات الليبية فهو خط أحمر مع أن"سنة وأحاديث" النبي يمكن التشكيك فيها بل والسخرية منها دون لوم ولا عتاب!! .
أما شعار(القرآن شريعة المجتمع) فوالله أنا أعرف ما المراد منه وتابعت ملابسات رفعه وظروف إصداره فهو كلمة حق يراد بها باطل!.. وهذا الباطل هو إقصاء أحاديث النبي جملة وتفصيلا ً من مجال التشريع والتوجيه !.. فالمراد الخفي غير المعلن بهذه المقولة هو إقرار أن القرآن وحده - دون السنة - شريعة المجتمع!.. فهذا هو الغرض الحقيقي إذ أن رفع هذا الشعار جاء في وقت كان القذافي فيه يشن فيه حملة شعواء وساخرة على الفقه والأحاديث النبوية في وسائل الإعلام!.. ومع أن هذا الشعار (القرآن شريعة المجتمع) ظل مرفوعاً لكن يظل واقعيا وعمليا "الكتاب الأخضر" – كتاب معمر القذافي لا كتاب الله - هو دستور وشريعة المجتمع وصاحب الكلمة العليا وصاحب السيادة في مجال التشريع بل وفي مجال التوجيه على السواء!؟.<br><br>____________________________ _____ __________________________________________________ _________
القذافي يُكذب القران الكريم>لم أرى أشد
وقاحة واستهزءاً بالقران الكريم والسنة النبوية، واستخفافاً بعقولنا من هذا الفرعون
والطاغية، الذي حارب الإسلام طيلة سنوات حكمه لليبيا، ومنع الفتيات المحجبات من
دخول المدارس، وهنا ستطل الثعابين من جحورها مؤكدة أن القذافي هو أمير المؤمنين
الصادق المخلص، وأن الحرية موجودة في ليبيا، كما طلت بُعيد مقالي "زين العابدين
مصاباً" وكذبها الشعب التونسي الذي أعلن عن فرحته برفع القبضة الحديدية عنه، وأقام
الصلاة الجماعية في شوارع تونس بعد أن حُرم منها عشرات السنين، وكذبها كذلك
التلفزيون المصري بعد أن تحول من أداة لتقديس فرعونه إلى مدّاح للثورة الشعبية التي
كان قبيل سقوط فرعونه يتهمهم بالخيانة العظمى.<br>فتارة يقول لنا أن نترك آسيا
لليهود وأن نأتي إلى بلاده ونسكن هناك، وتارة يقول عندما سأل: لماذا قمت بعد القبض
على صدام بأيام بتسليم أسلحتك، بأن: اليهود والفلسطينيين يقيمون بجوار بعضهم، وإذا
قمنا بإلقاء أي قنبلة فإنها ستقتل الطرفين ولذلك تخلصت منها.. وتارة نسمعه يدعو بوش
ليزور مكة.. ولسان حاله بأنه يتحدى شعبه قائلاً لهم: هذا ما فعلناه وأريد رجلاً
منكم أن ينبس ببنت شفة.. بينما نحن نأخذ هذا الكلام بضحكة مجلجلة نرسمها على شفاهنا
ثم نمضي.<br>ورغم النهاية التي آل إليها ثوري تونس ومصر، اللذين أذاقا شعبيهما سوء
العذاب، إلا أن هذا الطاغية بقي مصراً على التمادي في طغيانه، والاستهزاء بآيات
الله تعالى، ففي حديثه إلى شعبه بمناسبة ذكرى مولد الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم أنكر
أن يكون الرسول محمد – صلى الله عليه وسلم – مذكوراً في التوراة والإنجيل، والله
تعالى يقول: "الَّذِينَ يَتَّبِعُونَ الرَّسُولَ النَّبِيَّ الأُمِّيَّ الَّذِي
يَجِدُونَهُ مَكْتُوباً عِندَهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَالإِنْجِيلِ يَأْمُرُهُم
بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَيَنْهَاهُمْ عَنِ الْمُنكَرِ.." الاعراف157، ثم يتمادى في
استهزائه فيقول أن رسول الله – صلى الله عليه وسلم – كان يجب أن يحذف من القران قصص
السابقين، فيقول: لماذا محمد لم يشطب على هذه الأشياء!؟ والله عز وجل يقول:
"وَإِذَا تُتْلَى عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتُنَا بَيِّنَاتٍ قَالَ الَّذِينَ لاَ يَرْجُونَ
لِقَاءنَا ائْتِ بِقُرْآنٍ غَيْرِ هَـذَا أَوْ بَدِّلْهُ قُلْ مَا يَكُونُ لِي أَنْ
أُبَدِّلَهُ مِن تِلْقَاء نَفْسِي إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلاَّ مَا يُوحَى إِلَيَّ إِنِّي
أَخَافُ إِنْ عَصَيْتُ رَبِّي عَذَابَ يَوْمٍ عَظِيمٍ" يونس15.<br>ثم يتابع سخريته
بعقولنا بدعوة الفلسطينيين إلى العودة إلى بلادهم ولو ضربوا بالقنبلة الذرية، وهو
الذي كان يعلن سابقاً عند تسليم أسلحته النووية خوفه على الفلسطينيين، بل هو الوحيد
الذي هجر الفلسطينيين من بلاده وطردهم بشكل كامل منها بعد أن اخذ منهم أموالهم،
وسمح لكل واحد منهم أن يخرج ومعه مئة دينار ليبي وكروز دخان، فما باله اليوم يدعوهم
إلى الانتحار الجماعي، أم أن خوفه كان فقط على الصهاينة!؟<br>لم اغضب من تصريح
القذافي قدر غضبي وحنقي على تلك الحاشية التي كانت تستمع إلى خطاب هذا المكذب لآيات
الله تعالى والمستخف بالرسول – صلى الله عليه وسلم – هذه الحاشية التي تسمح لتلك
الفراعنة أن تستخف بالشعوب المسلمة وعقائدها، هذه الحاشية التي رأيناها كيف كانت
تحاول أن تدافع عن هؤلاء الأقزام بكل ما أوتيت من قوة، والتي تمكنت إرادة الشعوب
المسلمة من سحقها وإسقاط آلهتها في تونس ومصر. <br>للأسف أن هذه الحاشية منتشرة في
كل زاوية من زوايا بيوتنا، من علماء وكتاب وجُهال وأذناب، وهي التي تقف ضد الشعوب
من الانتقام من تلك الأصنام، والتي عناها الشهيد عبد الله عزام بقوله: " وعندما
نقول للعلماء: ماذا تفتون في القذافي الذي ما ترك موحداً إلا ووضعه في السجن،
وهاجرت جميع الأدمغة من ليبيا؟! ماذا تقولون أيها السادة العلماء في هذا الرجل الذي
كفر بالله جهاراً ونهاراً وأنكر السنة صباحاً مساءً؟! ماذا قالت فضيلتكم، أهو
مسلم؟! أما الشباب الذين يدافعون عن أعراضهم يوم أن كانوا يفرضون على البنت في
المدرسة أنها لا تدخل الثانوية إلا إذا حضرت المعسكرات الثورية الاشتراكية، والتي
يختلط فيها الشباب والشابات، وتنتهك فيها الأعراض باسم القانون، ماذا تقولون في
هذا؟! ولا يحق لها أن تنتقل من المرحلة الثانوية على الجامعة إلا بهذا، وعندما وجد
أن الأسر الليبية قد حافظت على بناتها وأخرجتها من المدارس، أخرج قراراً أنه لا
يجوز أن يعقد عقد زواج لأي بنت إلا إذا كانت معها شهادة المخيمات الثورية
الاشتراكية، ماذا يقول السادة العلماء في هذا؟! هل الشباب متطرفون؟! لا أظن أن
ديناً من الأديان يقبل أن يستسلم الإنسان لمثل هذا الظلم، ومن استسلم لمثل هذا
الظلم فهو آثم في الدنيا وعقوبته في الآخرة" في الجهاد فقه واجتهاد 195.<br>ورغم
تجبر تلك الأنظمة والتي تساندها تلك الحاشية الصم البكم العمي، فإن الشعوب لم تستكن
وقامت بطردهم وقص أجنحتهم، وهو ما ينتظر البقية الباقية من تلك الأنظمة وحاشيتها،
وليس حال ثوري تونس ومصر، ورئيس نقابة الصحافيين في مصر الذي طرد من قبل الشعب
المصري أثناء حضوره عزاء لأحد الصحفيين، واخرج من العزاء وطرد شر طردة والناس تصرخ
في وجهه ارحل ارحل؛ منهم ببعيد!!

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Do me a favor I challenge you to leave this thread open to all those Qaddafi sympathizers have you spoken to Libyans? or just bedazzled by his eccentricities &amp; his wealth which he squandered on anything but the cause of Allah? The man has deified himself killed Muslims. What more do you want? for him to stand on a mountain & declare his kuffr? he said once 'kol hwa ahad' when he was corrected he proceeded to say 'I am teaching you proper Quran' Give me a break with the sensationalistic pamphlets glorying him read his 'Green Book' in fact I challenge you to or speak to his people.. ask in fact how he himself came to power. He has ruled for 42 years, like all mankind he'll have a taste of death sooner or later, would you lose your head the same way if he were to drop dead from a coronary over the hands of people who tolerated him for decades? Can you not conceive of life after Qaddafi? Far more righteous people have died get over it, the same way you get over the death of other tortured Muslims everyday. I don't see you shedding a tear or having a 9 pg tribute to real martyrs.. truly money speaks louder than deeds.& Let me know when you've traveled on the deserts of Libya, struggled on its dirt roads austere pre-historic conditions just how well Qaddafi spent those billions!
I don't agree with his method of execution but can we possibly move on & hopefully to an Islamic khlifate which contrary to popular beliefs doesn't equal 'Burka'

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[Hamza Asadullah]

Who is Muammar Gaddafi? Lies Vs. Truth!

By Antonio Cesar Oliveira

March 02, 2011 “Pravda” — How can you call someone a dictator leader who overthrew a corrupt monarchy, modernized the country, won the highest HDI in Africa, and applied a direct democracy system of government?

Gaddafi has always supported revolutionary movements around the world. When the media – in the service of the U.S. – praised the apartheid regime South Africa, young Gaddafi in Libya trained and sent them back with the best weapons to win freedom in South*Africa.

Suddenly the press began a daily attack on the leader Muammar Gaddafi, to distill hatred, spreading lies, forging videos for what? What does it prove? The crimes of the Libyan government? Apparently this journalistic line was caused by popular uprisings in Algeria, Tunisia, Yemen and Egypt.

In fact, it is more a question of one more terrorist strategy of the government of the United States of America to recover influence in the Arab world. In Egypt, the government fell in U.S. confidence. Mubarak was merely an agent of U.S. and Israel interests in the region. With the fall of Mubarak, Iranian ships began to circulate in the vicinity of Israel, causing unease and anger in the diplomatic environments subservient to imperialism and Zionism.

After losing Egypt, the U.S. government tries to divide and weaken Libya, and this effort receives support from the supporters of Bin Laden, and thousands of Egyptian refugees that over the years have taken refuge in eastern Libya, fleeing the repression in Egypt. After the Egyptians came Algerians, Tunisians and Somalis, followers of Al Qaeda. They enjoyed the hospitality of the Libyans and then the next thing they stabbed them in the back, triggering a revolt that has left tens of victims, through sabotage, terrorism and destruction of public property.

But who is this Qaddafi that the media suddenly started to attack in all forms, and even in a most cowardly form? Gaddafi led a revolution to overthrow King Idris, a puppet of Italian and American interests in the region. At the time, the largest U.S. military base abroad was in Libya, Qaddafi and his supporters surrounded the base and gave 24 hours for all invading foreigners to leave the country.

In power, Gaddafi did not like the Arab monarchs, did not build palaces with gold, not buy luxury yachts or collections of imported cars. He devoted himself to rebuilding the country, ensuring better living conditions for the people. Today Qaddafi is not president or prime minister of Libya, but the media wants him to resign a post which does not exist.

The lies of the media cannot hide the fact that Gaddafi has supported the struggles of peoples for liberation in Nicaragua, Cuba, Angola, Mozambique, South Africa and many other countries, specifically concretely helping the people who fought for liberation. In practice, Gaddafi has always been a benefactor of mankind, but for the mercenary media, a benefactor is one who creates wars in search of profits for the arms industry or to dominate the world, as were the wars created by the U.S. in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, El Salvador, Nicaragua and many other countries.

This utterly ridiculous gossip of wealth and strange customs have always been exploited by the media, it was with Saddam Hussein, Yasser Arafat, Fidel Castro, Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez and etc. It is enough to be a serious ruler that does not seriously kneel down and cower in fear before the United States and is not intimidated to be demonised and disparaged by the mercenary media.

Another fact that the media cannot falsify is the HDI (Human Development Index) measured by UN officials. These data indicate, for example, that Libya had in 1970, a situation a little worse than Brazil (HDI of 0.541, against 0.551 of Brazil.) The Libyan index surpassed the Brazilian years later, and in 2008 was well ahead: 0.810 (ranked 43rd), compared to 0.764 (ranking 59th). All three sub-indices that comprise the HDI is higher in the African country: income, longevity and education.

In the HDI recast the difference remains. Libya is ranked the 53rd (0.755) and Brazil 73rd (.699). Libya is the country with the highest HDI in Africa. Therefore, the best distribution of income, and health and public education are free. And almost 10% of Libyan students receive scholarships to study in foreign countries.

So what kind of dictatorship is this? A dictatorship would never allow this kind of policy for the benefit of the people.

Gadhafi wrote the Green Book, the Third Universal Theory, which deals with controversial and real issues. He complains, for example, about the falsification of democracy through parliamentary assemblies. In most countries that consider themselves democratic, including the United States of America, political parties are organized criminal gangs to loot the people’s money in legislative assemblies, City Councils, House of Representatives, etc.

This observation – and a book in publication – certainly irritate and anger them? The defenders of parliamentary democracy? The Green Book, written by Gaddafi, says that workers should be involved and self-employed, and that the land must be of those who work it and those who live in the house. And power shall be exercised by the people directly, without intermediaries, without politicians, through popular congresses and committees, where the whole population decides the fundamental issues of the district, city and country. These words, which everyone knows are true, revolt and irritate those few who benefit from the falsification of democracy, especially the capitalist regimes.

But the press will keep on on forging the news, boiling hatred by spreading lies, because it is following orders from the U.S. government, very interested in the large oil reserves of Libya.

Major newspapers and television channels in the world use news agencies from the United States, all biased, misleading and deceptive. The lies that the news agencies sell buy public opinion, and most people? By naivete or misinformation they behave like puppets, repeating whatever the U.S. government determines and imposes.

This is not the first nor will it be the last, the Libyan Arab people face powerful foreign powers. Again the Libyan people will win, because they have the leadership of Muammar Qaddafi, an effective, strong and honorable guide.

*In a rare interview with Western journalists in January 1986, only months before the U.S. terrorist bombing of Libya, the Leader of the Revolution spoke frankly about his life and how he had been misunderstood by the West. Meeting the journalists in his tent he told of how he admired former US Presidents George Washington and Abraham Lincoln and of other world leaders he admires like “Egypt’s late Gamal Abdul Nasser, India’s Mahatma Gandhi, Sun Yat-Sen of China and Italy’s Garibaldi and Mazzini.” (Really, I’m a Nice Guy, Kate Dourian, Tripoli, Libya.)

He spoke of his favourite book The Outsider by British author Colin Wilson and others he likes such as Uncle Tom’s Cabin and Roots. Throughout this interview the profound thinking and innate humanity of Muammar Qadhafi shone through.

He also stated in another interview: “I see the press as being the messengers between me and the world to tell them the truth.”

Source:http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/who-...lies-vs-truth/

[Abz2000]

i hate to disagree with you on this topic respected sister but i believe Gaddafi was murdered not for the evil that he did - but for the good that he did - despite his obvious flaws.
Tensions between Libya and the West reached a peak during the Ronald Regan Administration which tried to overthrow Gaddafi.
The Reagan administration viewed Libya as a belligerent rogue state because of its uncompromising stance on Palestinian independence,
its support for revolutionary Iran in its 1980-1988 war against Saddam Hussein's Iraq and its backing for “liberation movements” in the developing world.
Reagan himself dubbed Gaddafi the “mad dog of the Middle East.” In March 1982 the U.S. declared a ban on the import of Libyan oil and the export to Libya of US oil industry technology.

we are heading for armageddon and they are removing leaders who are not tame - regardless of their religious tendencies.
the one thing that saddam and gaddafi had in common was that they were furiously independent and liked to do their own thing.
but Allah is the best of planners,
maybe Allah's plan is that there only remains Iman and Kufr with no ambiguity between them and a clear choice before faith prevails.

please scroll to 4 min 22 sec- it is very short:

[جوري]

القذافي يوجه بإلغاء شهر رمضان لهذا العام

وجه الرئيس الليبي معمر القذافي جميع الدوائر الحكومية بإلغاء شهر رمضان المبارك لهذا العام , حيث سيتم* منع موائد الإفطار والسهرات والإحتفالات الخاصة بالشهر , والإكتفاء فقط بالصوم دون حتى الإعلان عن دخول الشهر أو الإشارة إليه* , إلى أن يتم طرد العدو من البلاد .
ونشرت صحيفة الوئام أن القذافي أكد أن هذا القرار يأتي كترحماً على أرواح شهداء قصف قوات حلف الأطلسي والذي طال عدداً من المدن الليبية .
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& there you've Qaddafi canceling the month of Ramadan .. It's strange to me how out of touch you guys are with the Libyans .. He assassinated a close friend of our family a respected reporter for the mere fact that he chose to work outside of Libya .. I don't even want to give this guy anymore time than he deserves .. Anyone can write anything posthumously all of a sudden he's Muslim all of a sudden he's a martyr .. To those who know him and have lived under him he was no such thing. Google his green book and read it. If you think that should usurp the Quran and sunnah then there's nothing left for me to say. He's dead like all men before him and all who will come after .. Perhaps we can focus on a united Muslim world than sing the praises of a man and his tortured and frequently raped harem as a glorified martyr!

Further I have already stated I don't agree with the manner of his death but I am not going to cry over him.. I wish a similar fate on the rest of the despots.. their judgment thereafter lies with God!

:w:

[Predator]

This is excellent news! Another brutal dictator is dead! Obama has done and excellent job this year. First Osama bin Laden, now Gadaffi. Obama has done a good job in destroying evil in our world.

What is your purpose of joining this forum ? . All your posts have been about praising america and the killings of bin laden and gaddafi .Freaking troll.

[Abz2000]

yes sister - you are correct in that he was not a model Muslim leader, but he was a far cry from nato, and nato did not do this ofr the betterment of Islam but rather to weaken it and possibly install a few military bases there.
here's what the benevolent amerika does to protesters:



for them to pretend that they were helping Muslim protesters is a joke, though Allah's plan is ultimately the most subtle and far-reaching.
and anyone who would fight behind nato is ........................
......that is not how Muslims assert their dignity, going to the enemies of Islam to remove their faulty leader, rather they stop fighting and unite when faced by an external threat.

[جوري]

stick into google translator the stuff in Arabic & speak with the Libyans.. Neither NATO nor Qaddafi have Muslim interest @ heart.. he sang the praises of the European country's of choice & boycotted others when his cheating son was insulted.

He's no martyr no prophet, no sahabi just another despot who found God when it is too late for one had there been no iman prior & with his money which he squandered on Harem, kaffir African nations & a precious wardrobe managed the last laugh.. seems his money is still buying him accolades from the grave!

[جوري]

get rid of troll Alpharius .. we get two types of trolls from which there's no swaying on this forum it is really off putting..
This is a Muslim matter not a kaffir one enough interference from these half-wits!

[Abz2000]

i agree that alpharius' comment was void of any sense when taking into consideration the number of innocent people Obama has had murdered.

Libyan President Muammar Gaddafi, the abolition of all government departments for the month of Ramadan this year

the last transcript - wasn't the announcement of Ramadan holiday mis-interpreted as an abolition sis?

[جوري]

i agree that alpharius' comment was void of any sense when taking into consideration the number of innocent people Obama has had murdered.

Libyan President Muammar Gaddafi, the abolition of all government departments for the month of Ramadan this year

the last transcript - wasn't the announcement of Ramadan holiday mis-interpreted as an abolition sis?

He didn't abolish it, he wanted a one year hiatus.. i doubt he himself observed it ever given his history of mockery of Quran & Sunnah..
I wish we'd put this topic to rest. I really do & focus our attention on du3a for our suffering bros & sisters as well rebuilding a Muslim Ummah!

:w:

[Abz2000]

but how do we build it by allowing nato to install military bases in another muslim country? we now have afghanistan, iraq, yemen and libya.
as much as i dislike Gaddafi's faults, i would give credit where credit is due and praise his accomplishments.
and as much as i dislike his deviance, i dislike even more the deviance of the ones who just had him murdered,

so who would i unite with to defeat whom?
in the game of monopoly, we unite to defeat the biggest player just so we stand a chance of winning, then we fight it out,
and it is true that the Prophet (pbuh) would also sign treaties with those with whom he had a more common goal - in order to stand against those who would be his open enemies.

i cam, i saw, he died,
is a variation of Veni, Vidi, Vici - i came, i saw, i conquered, a statement julius caesar made after defeating a part of Turkey
well she just "conquered" libya with the help of the nato backed "rebels."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Aldrich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Cx5ISMcWk

[جوري]

so who would i unite with to defeat whom?

Other Muslims & have patience & faith.. Here's where it is needed not patience with the kaffirs.. but the slow process of rebuilding the ummah .. U.S is whittling itself here & there along with its poodles & their ailing economy.. this is our time if we use it right!

:w:

[A-Believer-25]

:sl:

These type of threads seem to be causing a lot of fitna.

[Abz2000]

these types of threads open discussion which make us see each other's points of view and take from them

[Salahudeen]

Well having heard from a Libyan sister about living under Gadaffi it's very different story, she said all that stuff about 50k for newly married couples is not true, and electricity was cheap but not free, and the education and health system was free however "what good is it if the education system is bad, and low quality. Even the schools, many of them look like a poor countries schools, with bad structure.
Same with health care, usually it is bad, and sometimes not even available, that is why many Libyans (including some of my relatives) would go to Tunisia and Egypt yearly to get treatment, and they had to pay a lot of money for it, sometimes tens of thousands, and some would become in debt because of it."

and as for interest free loans, that never existed under Ghadaffi either "As for free interest loans, riba (interest) was legal in Gaddafi's rule, why do you think Mustafa Abdel Jalil (the head of the NTC) said in his speech on the day announcing Libya's liberation, that riba (interest) will be no more in Libya, that is because in gaddafi's rule, loans were with interest, and banks dealt with interest. And that is why my cousin had a difficult time before the revolution, because he didn't want a loan with interest, but alhamduilllah that the revolution came and the country was liberated from gaddafis tyrannical rule."

Here's the full post from a libyan who knows what it's like to live there.


1. About Libyans all having homes, with no one homeless, this claim was due to the law I told you about from the satanic green book, that the house is for the one who lives in it, this law made it forbidden for anyone to own more than the house he lives in, thus any libyan who owned houses or apartments that they put up for rent, it was taken from him and given to people who didn't have a home, thus many Libyans lost their properties, their wealth that they gained with their own sweat for many years, just gone in a second due to a satanic law, that claims equality but no justice. The idea of this law was to make every Libyan have a home, and no one homeless, but this lead to injustice and stealing of other people's properties. Instead of the government building homes for those homeless people, in the vast lands of Libya, and the great wealth that Libya gets from its oil, they take other people's properties to give away to ones who do not own it. This is injustice and oppression. Him and his family used libya's wealth to build their own luxurious homes, while stealing libyan's properties to give to the ones who didn't have a home !!
And even with this law, still many Libyans were without homes (i.e. they didn't own their own house) many lived with their parents' houses, like the case with my uncles, due to not being able to afford buying a house. A Muslim who fears Allah would not accept to live in a house that is the property of someone else, they work to get their home, not steal from others using this corrupt law as an excuse.


2. As for the claim about 50K given to newlyweds , my relatives who got married never got 50k , nor do we know anyone from outside of the family who got 50k after their marriage. Thus I believe this claim to be false, and anyone claiming it to be true must bring proof for his claim.


3. Electricity was cheap but not free.


4. Education and health care was free, but what good is it if the education system is bad, and low quality. Even the schools, many of them look like a poor countries schools, with bad structure.
Same with health care, usually it is bad, and sometimes not even available, that is why many Libyans (including some of my relatives) would go to Tunisia and Egypt yearly to get treatment, and they had to pay a lot of money for it, sometimes tens of thousands, and some would become in debt because of it.


5. As for free interest loans, riba (interest) was legal in Gaddafi's rule, why do you think Mustafa Abdel Jalil (the head of the NTC) said in his speech on the day announcing Libya's liberation, that riba (interest) will be no more in Libya, that is because in gaddafi's rule, loans were with interest, and banks dealt with interest. And that is why my cousin had a difficult time before the revolution, because he didn't want a loan with interest, but alhamduilllah that the revolution came and the country was liberated from gaddafis tyrannical rule.

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showt...6834#post86834

[جوري]

Well having heard from a Libyan sister about living under Gadaffi it's very different story, she said all that stuff about 50k for newly married couples is a lie, and electricity was cheap but not free, and the education and health system was free however "what good is it if the education system is bad, and low quality. Even the schools, many of them look like a poor countries schools, with bad structure.
Same with health care, usually it is bad, and sometimes not even available, that is why many Libyans (including some of my relatives) would go to Tunisia and Egypt yearly to get treatment, and they had to pay a lot of money for it, sometimes tens of thousands, and some would become in debt because of it."

Yup I urge people to speak with Libyans to sort the truth from lies.. Most Libyans I know who were educated tried hard to escape many were assassinated by Qaddafi goons, or had to serve him in fear Libya is a country of 12 million or so.. ask then why they're still living in a tribal system with prehistoric dirt roads & poverty except in the pocket of a few tribal leaders to keep them shut.. look @ the wedding of the so-called Claudia Shaffer of the middle east who burned her maid & when she escaped brought her back from the hospital to torture her some more, before we shed tears over his martyrdom!

I am no fan of seeing anyone tortured to death.. he who kills with impunity shall be killed in a similar manner..

let the dead be & let's focus on the ummah!

:w:

[Abz2000]

this law made it forbidden for anyone to own more than the house he lives in, thus any libyan who owned houses or apartments that they put up for rent, it was taken from him and given to people who didn't have a home,

Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it himself, but if he does not cultivate it himself, then he should let his brother cultivate it. Sahih Muslim 3716

Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported some of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had surplus of land. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He, who has surplus land (in his possession) should cultivate it, or he should lend it to his brother for benefit, but if he refuses to accept it, he should retain it.
Sahih Muslim 3717

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We used to cultivate land on rent during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and we got a share out of the grain left in the ears after threshing them and something unspecified. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He who has land should cultivate it or let his brother till it, otherwise he should leave it.
Sahih Muslim 3723

Education and health care was free, but what good is it if the education system is bad, and low quality. Even the schools, many of them look like a poor countries schools, with bad structure.

the Prophet (pbuh)'s schools were palm trees, and mud brick, with no protection from rain.

regarding the $50,000, i was of the impression that it was an interest free loan that was made available to newly married couples towards accommodation. not a bundle of notes totalling 50k to splash out on a wedding.
other loans may have been based on interest, since france was buying out banks in libya, but many interest free loans were available.



i am not pretending that Gaddafi was a saint, rather his daughter Aisha's wedding shows he was not too concerned about certain aspects of morality,
but the ones behind nato have openly declared Islam their enemy,
Gaddafi has apparently been guilty of repressing certain aspects of Islam, but this also happened while they were forcing him to participate in their war on "terror", and while they were hiring people claiming to be Islamic to assassinate him with mi6 money,
so how could we turn to them?
and although much may be correct, we must be careful when reading the comments on blogs:

Pentagon buys social networking 'spy software'
The Pentagon has purchased a pioneering software programme that creates fake identities on social media websites, in an attempt to infiltrate and influence suspected terrorists and extremists overseas.

The $2.7 million (£1.7 million) programme developed by San Diego firm Ntrepid allows one military user to create multiple personas on the internet and engage in extended online conversations and communications with suspects.

According to military procurement documents seen by the Washington Times, the software will "enable an operator to exercise a number of different online persons from the same workstation and without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries".

"Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world," the documents stated.

A spokesman for the US Central Command region, which includes the Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan, said that psychological warfare scheme was operating only on overseas social media sites.

"We do not target US audiences, and we do not conduct these activities on sites owned by U.S. companies," he said.

[جوري]

Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it himself, but if he does not cultivate it himself, then he should let his brother cultivate it. Sahih Muslim 3716

Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported some of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had surplus of land. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He, who has surplus land (in his possession) should cultivate it, or he should lend it to his brother for benefit, but if he refuses to accept it, he should retain it.
Sahih Muslim 3717

yes but land isn't housing though. We're free to do with our property as we please, & the land according to Islam is for whomever sows & cultivates so long as you're not impinging on property from which one makes their livelihood..

:w:

[Salahudeen]

Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it himself, but if he does not cultivate it himself, then he should let his brother cultivate it. Sahih Muslim 3716

Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported some of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had surplus of land. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He, who has surplus land (in his possession) should cultivate it, or he should lend it to his brother for benefit, but if he refuses to accept it, he should retain it.
Sahih Muslim 3717

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We used to cultivate land on rent during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and we got a share out of the grain left in the ears after threshing them and something unspecified. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He who has land should cultivate it or let his brother till it, otherwise he should leave it.
Sahih Muslim 3723

If he applied those laws on himself as well as his people then it would have been better for him perhaps

[Abz2000]

true, but i am still emphasising the fact that by condemning him for much smaller crimes and forgetting to mention the horrendous crimes of those behind nato,
we are actually helping them in their attack on Islam, look how they used the character of Saddam to kill over a million muslims in Iraq, or certain aspects of the (previously u.s backed) taliban, to murder and continue to occupy afghanistan.

remember how brother Awlaki would put it in perspective even when condemning a wrong?





not only that - but they actually had the audacity to request that nato stay, just in order to try and remove the blame from nato.

and land is something that Allah gave for free, people didn't pay Him for it, they just occupied what they used from the time of Adam and left the rest, it was only when land became scarce and some had more power than others that they took a bigger share of it, and now people use economic bullying to take over God Given land while others live homeless and with no land to cultivate?
the Prophet (pbuh)'s hadith makes sense in that light, this is why people can't charge for water from natural wells but can for dug out ones, can charge for fruits since they planted them, but can't just decide to say "i have more military/financial power than you so i'll usurp the God Given land while you remain homeless.
and the person on that forum you copied from who called it a "satanic law" would do good to ask Allah for forgiveness.

thus any libyan who owned houses or apartments that they put up for rent, it was taken from him and given to people who didn't have a home, thus many Libyans lost their properties, their wealth that they gained with their own sweat for many years, just gone in a second due to a satanic law, that claims equality but no justice. The idea of this law was to make every Libyan have a home, and no one homeless, but this lead to injustice and stealing of other people's properties.

[A-Believer-25]

It seems like many countries in the middle east has it bad, huh? imsad

[جوري]

It seems like many countries in the middle east has it bad, huh? imsad

It has to be that way for the next best thing no?

The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "Prophethood will be amongst you for as long as Allah wills, then Allah will raise it up when He wills, then there will be Khilafah upon the way of Prophethood, then Allah will raise it up when He wills, then there will be biting Kingship, then oppressive Kingship, then there will be Khilafah Rashidah on the method of Prophethood.” (Ahmad)

[alpharius]

Out of interest, what was so bad about Ghadaffi, as I still don't know why people hated him so much, did he deprive his people of a good quality of life while he lived like a king? What was brutal about his regime before the protests started? I understand he became brutal when the protests started but in the 40 years prior to that what did he inflict upon his people that was so brutal and unjust? I'm genuinely asking cos I sincerely don't know.

On 5 April 1986 Libyan agents bombed "La Belle" nightclub in West Berlin, killing three and injuring 229. Gaddafi's plan was intercepted by Western intelligence and more detailed information was retrieved some years later from Stasi archives. Libyan agents who had carried out the operation, from the Libyan embassy in East Germany, were prosecuted by the reunited Germany in the 1990s.

Pan Am Flight 103 was Pan American World Airways' third daily scheduled transatlantic flight from London Heathrow Airport to New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport. On Wednesday, 21 December 1988, the aircraft flying this route — a Boeing 747–121 registered N739PA and named “Clipper Maid of the Seas” — was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew members. Eleven people in Lockerbie, in southern Scotland, were also killed as large sections of the plane fell in the town and destroyed several houses, bringing total fatalities to 270. As a result, the event is also known as the Lockerbie bombing.


He got what he deserved.

[GuestFellow]

It seems like many countries in the middle east has it bad, huh? imsad

Salaam,

Not really. All countries have their own problems. Compare Iraq to North Korea....

[GuestFellow]

Salaam,

Hilliary Clinton laughs at everything lol....

[جوري]

maybe she should take beano before she sees any news..

[Abz2000]

check this out:

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Israe...ypt-18938.html

the man gets one of his sons (saif al islam) to lead the cause - after the mavi marmara incident
i wonder if the new government will support the palestinian cause - or support their ally's ally.


it is also clear that the libyan government whom Gaddafi criticised for it's corruption was trying to prevent a clash, while gaddafi and his son were calling for one.

12 Jul 2010 8:27 AM

Washington – The Libyan ship underway to break the Gaza naval blockade will not carry one high-profile passenger - the Libyan president’s son Saif Gaddafi - Arabic-language Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi is head of the organization behind the voyage and is reportedly interested in sailing with the ship. In an effort to prevent him doing so, Libyan authorities Sunday restricted all flights that might jettison the premier’s son to join the vessel.

"Libya does not wish to intervene and believes the aid sail to Gaza conceals an adventure and a risk," one anonymous Libyan official told Al-Awsat. "Therefore, it has been decided to ban private flights. The decision is aimed at preventing Saif al-Islam and other Libyan figures from joining the ship.”

"Officially, Libya has nothing to do with the ship, and if any problem occurs it will cause an embarrassment on the international level," the official added. "Thus, we don't want any Libyan nationals on the ship, in order to prevent them from facing any danger, particularly from Israel, which has been repeating its threats to forcibly stop the ship."

[Hamza Asadullah]

true, but i am still emphasising the fact that by condemning him for much smaller crimes and forgetting to mention the horrendous crimes of those behind nato,
we are actually helping them in their attack on Islam, look how they used the character of Saddam to kill over a million muslims in Iraq, or certain aspects of the (previously u.s backed) taliban, to murder and continue to occupy afghanistan.

remember how brother Awlaki would put it in perspective even when condemning a wrong?





not only that - but they actually had the audacity to request that nato stay, just in order to try and remove the blame from nato.

and land is something that Allah gave for free, people didn't pay Him for it, they just occupied what they used from the time of Adam and left the rest, it was only when land became scarce and some had more power than others that they took a bigger share of it, and now people use economic bullying to take over God Given land while others live homeless and with no land to cultivate?
the Prophet (pbuh)'s hadith makes sense in that light, this is why people can't charge for water from natural wells but can for dug out ones, can charge for fruits since they planted them, but can't just decide to say "i have more military/financial power than you so i'll usurp the God Given land while you remain homeless.
and the person on that forum you copied from who called it a "satanic law" would do good to ask Allah for forgiveness.

Before Gaddafi took power Libya accomodated the biggest US military base in the Middle east. He was no puppet of the west. Thats why the west hated him and wanted to remove him. Why are the USnot taking the same stance on Yemen whos government are creely killing its people. What about Ba:nervous:hrain whos people have been forgotten?

Let us not be decieved into thinking that Natos victory in Libya is a victory for the people of Libya. Let us also not forget over 30,000 that have died mostly from NATO targetting the civilian population. On top of that various massacres that are being uncovered of civilian populations by the "Ntc". Shame on anyone calling them freedom fighters.

Do we really think that after the west spent billions on the Libya intervention are just going to leave Libya for its people to decide the outcome of its future? Of course not! The reality is that this intervention has opened up the front door to invite the devil in and the devil will not leave anytime soon.

This is not a "victory" at all for it is an invitation for the US to set up a base there like they had before Gaddafi. It is an invitation for the west to eat up its resources and to shape its future, establishing a puppet for them to pull the strings how they please.

[Abz2000]

curiously enough - egypt, tunisia and libya (including benghazi) all fall along the strategic coastal route to palestine,

Attachment 4410

[Hamza Asadullah]

Salaam,

Hilliary Clinton laughs at everything lol....

I bet she wasnt laughing when she found out about her husband and Monica Lewinski.

[Hamza Asadullah]

curiously enough - egypt, tunisia and libya (including benghazi) all fall along the strategic coastal route to palestine,

Attachment 4410

Libya is the perfect location strategically for the US and Zionist regime in the Middle East. That is why the US had the biggest military base in Libya from the whole of the middle East before Gaddafi took power. Now soon they have their base back where they have always wanted it. So the middle East will have another huge US military base under their noses. Just what the Muslims need.

[Hamza Asadullah]

On 5 April 1986 Libyan agents bombed "La Belle" nightclub in West Berlin, killing three and injuring 229. Gaddafi's plan was intercepted by Western intelligence and more detailed information was retrieved some years later from Stasi archives. Libyan agents who had carried out the operation, from the Libyan embassy in East Germany, were prosecuted by the reunited Germany in the 1990s.

Pan Am Flight 103 was Pan American World Airways' third daily scheduled transatlantic flight from London Heathrow Airport to New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport. On Wednesday, 21 December 1988, the aircraft flying this route — a Boeing 747–121 registered N739PA and named “Clipper Maid of the Seas” — was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew members. Eleven people in Lockerbie, in southern Scotland, were also killed as large sections of the plane fell in the town and destroyed several houses, bringing total fatalities to 270. As a result, the event is also known as the Lockerbie bombing.


He got what he deserved.

Really? Then why did Obama welcome Gaddafi in open arms and greet him like a guest of honour?

Why did Tony Blair establish good relations with Gadafi proclaiming to the western world that they should also embrace him and open their arms to him?

Why did Scotland release the "alleged" Lockerbie bomber? Which country would ever release a "bomber" who killed hundereds of people, as a gesture of good will? Does a bomber show a gesture of good will after killing so many people?

Also why did Britain supply weapons to Gaddafi until February this year? Why would anyone supply weapons to such a man?

Please explain all of these points to us.....

[جوري]

Why did Scotland release the "alleged" Lockerbie bomber?

seriously they'd sell these unseasoned nits anything & they'll buy it so long as it's riddled with anti-Islamic rhetoric .. which begs the question akhi why is this unwanted gadfly still writing here?

[Hamza Asadullah]

Gaddafi and friends: in pictures

World leaders may now be condemning the Libyan leader for his use of violence, but it hasn’t always been this way. Please see pictures of world leaders including Obama, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and others embracing Gaddafi in open arms:

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/th...gaddafi-during

They befriend him for their own interests (oil and arms deals) but as soon as the so called "revolution" begins they stab him in the back like the two-faced hypocrites that they are.

[Salahudeen]

not only that - but they actually had the audacity to request that nato stay, just in order to try and remove the blame from nato.

and land is something that Allah gave for free, people didn't pay Him for it, they just occupied what they used from the time of Adam and left the rest, it was only when land became scarce and some had more power than others that they took a bigger share of it, and now people use economic bullying to take over God Given land while others live homeless and with no land to cultivate?
the Prophet (pbuh)'s hadith makes sense in that light, this is why people can't charge for water from natural wells but can for dug out ones, can charge for fruits since they planted them, but can't just decide to say "i have more military/financial power than you so i'll usurp the God Given land while you remain homeless.
and the person on that forum you copied from who called it a "satanic law" would do good to ask Allah for forgiveness.

I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean, if you worked hard all your life to buy a house then you rent it out and the tenets lay claim to it as theirs and the government grants their wish, this is ok with you? Are you saying the person should ask for forgiveness for disagreeing with this and calling such a practice satanic? :hmm:

I wanna be your tenet if you ever rent a house out :p


Also I'm just trying to understand the actions of the Libyan people and why they revolted because people tell me they enjoyed a high quality of life under Ghadaffi but I've spoken to 1 Libyan so far and it wasn't a good life at all under him that's why they went against him. No doubt Nato's only interest is the black gold and they have an agenda for aiding the libyan people, and their situation may even get more worse if foreign bankers have entered the country. But people will only accept a way of life they're not pleased with for only so long before they eventually rebel as was demonstrated in Egypt and the other countries.

[Abz2000]

^ brother it is based on hadith, there is enough land for everyone, the reason why the person is homeless and needs to rent is because someone else has usurped the land through either physical or financial monopoly, islam is neither socialist - nor capitalist, however it does have aspects of social justice and this seems to be one of them, the person renting is under bondage since
1. a large sum of their earnings don't go to personal expenditure - but towards paying for land freely given by God to which everyone has a right,
2. the person lending can say - oh - usury is banned, so i will just by up houses and rent them out, (a back-door method of interest) this is not trade, (buying and selling - or renting goods which degrade through use) it is usury.
3. people were allowed to freely build on empty land during the Prophet (pbuh)'s time, there was no "this is all government property and you can't have it".
and no rich or powerful man could justly lay claim to all the empty land he sees.

also there are other incidents in which it was permissible - when the jews of khaybar were to be expelled, and they came with an offer of cultivating the land and giving a portion of it's produce in exchange for being allowed to stay there. however this does not fall under normal renting, rather it goes into the section of semi-slavery - another topic.

Al-Muwatta Hadith 31.56
Yahya related from Malik that he had heard that Umar ibn al-Khattab said,
"There is no hoarding in our market, and men who have excess gold (wealth) in their hands should not buy up one of Allah's provisions which he has sent to our courtyard
and then hoard it up against us.
Someone who brings imported goods through great fatigue to himself in the summer and winter, that person is the guest of Umar.
Let him sell what Allah wills and keep what Allah wills."


here is a compilation from sahih muslim:

3715.
	Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having forbidden the renting of land.
3716.
	Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it himself, but if he does not cultivate it himself, then he should let his brother cultivate it.
3717.
	Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported some of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had surplus of land. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He, who has surplus land (in his possession) should cultivate it, or he should lend it to his brother for benefit, but if he refuses to accept it, he should retain it.
3718.
	Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having forbidden taking of rent or share of land.
3719.
	Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it, but if he does not find it possible to cultivate it, or finds himself helpless to do so, he should lend it to his Muslim brother, but he should not accept rent from him.
3720.
	Sulaiman b. Musa asked Ata': Did Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying:" He who has land should cultivate it himself, or let his brother cultivate it, and should not give on rent"? He said: Yes.
3721.
	Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) having forbidden Mukhabara.
3722.
	Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) say: He who has surplus of land should either cultivate it himself, or let his brother cultivate it, an should not sell it. I (the narrator) said to Sa'id: What does his statement" do not sell it" mean? Does it imply" rent"? He said: Yes.
3723.
	Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We used to cultivate land on rent during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and we got a share out of the grain left in the ears after threshing them and something unspecified. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He who has land should cultivate it or let his brother till it, otherwise he should leave it.
3724.
	Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: We used to get land (on rent) during the lifetime of Allah's Messeuge, (may peace be upon him) with a share of one-third or one-fourth (of the produce from the land irrigated) with the help of canals. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up (to address) and said: HRe who has land should cultivate it, and if he does not cultivate it, he should lend it to his brother, and if he does not lend it to his brother, he should then retain it.
3725.
	Jabir (Allah he pleased with him) reported: I heard Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has (surplus) land should donate it (to others), or lend it. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of A'mash with the same chain of transmitters, but with a slight change of words.
3726.
	Jabir b. `Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reportedthat Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had forbidden renting of land. Bukair (one of the narrators) said: Nafi` reported to me that he heard Ibn `Umar (Allah be pleased with them) saying: We usedto give land on rent; we then abandoned this practice when we heard the hadith of Rafi` b. Khadij.
3727.
	Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbidding the selling (renting of) uncultivated land for two years or three.
3728.
	Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) forbidding selling of (produce) in advance for two years, and in the narmtion of Ibu Abd Shaiba (the words are):" Selling of the fruits (on the tree) in advance for two years."
3729.
	Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it or lend it to his brother, but if he refuses, he should retain his land.

Gaddafi and friends: in pictures

World leaders may now be condemning the Libyan leader for his use of violence, but it hasn’t always been this way. Please see pictures of world leaders including Obama, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and others embracing Gaddafi in open arms:

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/th...gaddafi-during

They befriend him for their own interests (oil and arms deals) but as soon as the so called "revolution" begins they stab him in the back like the two-faced hypocrites that they are.

reminds me of this video: when you get to 30 seconds scroll past to 43 seconds to avoid the evil.

1 min 16 seconds is precious - i kept rewinding it - the desperation in the reporter's voice was transparent (i think i was o'reilly)

[Salahudeen]

^ brother it is based on hadith, there is enough land for everyone, the reason why the person is homeless and needs to rent is because someone else has usurped the land through either physical or financial monopoly, islam is neither socialist - nor capitalist, however it does have aspects of social justice and this seems to be one of them, the person renting is under bondage since
1. a large sum of their earnings don't go to personal expenditure - but towards paying for land freely given by God to which everyone has a right,
2. the person lending can say - oh - usury is banned, so i will just by up houses and rent them out, (a back-door method of interest) this is not trade, (buying and selling - or renting goods which degrade through use) it is usury.

also there are other incidents in which it was permissible - when the jews of khaybar were to be expelled, and they came with an offer of cultivating the land and giving a portion of it's produce in exchange for being allowed to stay there. however this does not fall under normal renting, rather it goes into the section of semi-slavery - another topic.

here is a compilation from sahih muslim:

3715.
	Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having forbidden the renting of land.
3716.
	Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it himself, but if he does not cultivate it himself, then he should let his brother cultivate it.
3717.
	Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported some of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had surplus of land. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He, who has surplus land (in his possession) should cultivate it, or he should lend it to his brother for benefit, but if he refuses to accept it, he should retain it.
3718.
	Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having forbidden taking of rent or share of land.
3719.
	Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it, but if he does not find it possible to cultivate it, or finds himself helpless to do so, he should lend it to his Muslim brother, but he should not accept rent from him.
3720.
	Sulaiman b. Musa asked Ata': Did Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying:" He who has land should cultivate it himself, or let his brother cultivate it, and should not give on rent"? He said: Yes.
3721.
	Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) having forbidden Mukhabara.
3722.
	Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) say: He who has surplus of land should either cultivate it himself, or let his brother cultivate it, an should not sell it. I (the narrator) said to Sa'id: What does his statement" do not sell it" mean? Does it imply" rent"? He said: Yes.
3723.
	Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We used to cultivate land on rent during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and we got a share out of the grain left in the ears after threshing them and something unspecified. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He who has land should cultivate it or let his brother till it, otherwise he should leave it.
3724.
	Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: We used to get land (on rent) during the lifetime of Allah's Messeuge, (may peace be upon him) with a share of one-third or one-fourth (of the produce from the land irrigated) with the help of canals. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up (to address) and said: HRe who has land should cultivate it, and if he does not cultivate it, he should lend it to his brother, and if he does not lend it to his brother, he should then retain it.
3725.
	Jabir (Allah he pleased with him) reported: I heard Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has (surplus) land should donate it (to others), or lend it. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of A'mash with the same chain of transmitters, but with a slight change of words.
3726.
	Jabir b. `Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reportedthat Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had forbidden renting of land. Bukair (one of the narrators) said: Nafi` reported to me that he heard Ibn `Umar (Allah be pleased with them) saying: We usedto give land on rent; we then abandoned this practice when we heard the hadith of Rafi` b. Khadij.
3727.
	Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbidding the selling (renting of) uncultivated land for two years or three.
3728.
	Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) forbidding selling of (produce) in advance for two years, and in the narmtion of Ibu Abd Shaiba (the words are):" Selling of the fruits (on the tree) in advance for two years."
3729.
	Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it or lend it to his brother, but if he refuses, he should retain his land.

Does this mean renting a property from someone is haraam or putting a house on rent is haraam? :hmm:

[Abz2000]

Allah knows - i just gave you the hadith, you consider it and see if it makes sense, the emphasis does not seem to be on just finance - it is on social justice.
and the reasons for the prohibition of usury are not simply for the sake of the law itself but for social justice.

let's backtrack, say adam (pbuh) has 2 sons - they have 3 and 7 respectively, the seven have more power to take over the land or to lay claim to more, and this is to continue forever.
so they take it and rent it to the three, or the three later have more children and from then on the children of the 3 are born into economic bondage, unless they can financially beat the others who have the financial advantage of collecting the rent. or unless they can re-take it through war, a truly feudal system.

a man loses all his money, his children then rent, before they buy food the rent is required - since it is a debt. their children in turn are rent slaves, since a condition to their survival is paying for the God Given spot they rest on - even if they want to put a caravan on it. (food is covered by zakah), would you say the zakah should be perpetually handed over to the landlords (which will inevitably grow bigger by the year due to monopolization concentration at the top of the pyramid).
would you say it's fair - or the Prophet (pbuh)s method of distribution to those who need it - whatever the previous ownership.

i am aware some who like to label everything would term it "socialist", and Islam's concept of the free-market "capitalist", these are just names, the fact remains that the names were created long after different principles were practised.

some of Gaddafi's methods were interesting, he would apparently be really nice to small business, yet outright forbid mega-business. the state apparently took responsibility for that kind of thing,
this prevented illegal hoarding and monopolization, and buying power ruining the opportunities for average joe bloggs.

the western method of dealing with buying power is by subsidising the (no matter how rich) producers to sell at a lower cost to smaller business,
or if cheese was produced at a rate which would make prices shoot down, they would buy cheese with taxpayers money, and often store it in warehouses until it rotted.
or they would subsidize an item with taxpayer's money just to make it cheap in order to prevent it from being purchased from abroad.

Prices became high in the Prophet's (SAWS) time and people asked him to fix prices for them, he replied:
Allah is the One Who fixes prices, Who withholds, Who gives lavishly, and Who provides,
and I hope that when I meet Him none of you will have a claim against me for any injustice with regard to blood or property.”
(Reported by Ahmad, Abu Daoud, al-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, al-Dari and Abu Y'ala.)

he would allow the market to balance itself out, but the Islamic system would also prevent hoarding of essentials in order to manipulate the economy (also essential to the free market).

[جوري]

^^ I don't understand this I am going to ask a scholar tomorrow insha'Allah

[A-Believer-25]

It has to be that way for the next best thing no?

The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "Prophethood will be amongst you for as long as Allah wills, then Allah will raise it up when He wills, then there will be Khilafah upon the way of Prophethood, then Allah will raise it up when He wills, then there will be biting Kingship, then oppressive Kingship, then there will be Khilafah Rashidah on the method of Prophethood.” (Ahmad)

Thank you for posting the hadith! May Allah (SWT) reward you! :)

[Salahudeen]

Allah knows - i just gave you the hadith, you consider it and see if it makes sense, the emphasis does not seem to be on just finance - it is on social justice.

let's backtrack, say adam (pbuh) has 2 sons - they have 3 and 7 respectively, the seven have more power to take over the land or to lay claim to more, and this is to continue forever.
so they take it and rent it to the three, or the three later have more children and from then on the children of the 3 are born into economic bondage, unless they can financially beat the others who have the financial advantage of collecting the rent.
would you say it's fair - or the Prophet (pbuh)s method of distribution to those who need it - whatever the previous ownership.

Well Adam (pbuh) was given his own sharia as were all the prophets, scholars say renting is permissible, anyway we're side tracking, what should the person on that forum ask forgiveness for? I will inform them inshaAllah that they need to ask for forgiveness, once you tell me what they've done wrong.

Ibn Qudaamah said:

There is no dispute among the scholars concerning the fact that it is permissible to rent out property. Ibn al-Mundhir said: All the scholars from whom we acquired knowledge are unanimously agreed that renting out houses and animals is permissible.

And it is only permissible to rent them out for a specific, defined period, after viewing and defining the property in question, because it cannot be known otherwise. It is not permissible not to define the timescale or describe the property. This is the view of al-Shaafa’i.

Al-Mughni, 5/260.

The correct view is that the rental period does not have to be limited to a specific length of time, rather it can continue for months or decades, so long as that is with the agreement of both parties.

Ibn Qudaamah said:

If the rental is to last for a period it should be known, such as a month or a year. There is no dispute concerning that as far as we know. Because the timescale is important with regard to the property to be rented, so it must be known, just as when selling a commodity that can be measured, it should be sold by measure.

Al-Mughni, 5/251.

And he said:

The maximum period of renting cannot be defined, rather the property that is rented may continue to be rented so long as it is still sound, even if the period is lengthy. This is the view of all the scholars… because Allaah tells us that Shu’ayb (peace be upon him) said:

“on condition that you serve me for eight years; but if you complete ten years, it will be (a favour) from you”

[al-Qasas 28:27]

The law of the nations before us is our law too, unless there is evidence that it has been abrogated.

al-Mughni, 5/253

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/45653/

[جوري]

Thank you for posting the hadith! May Allah (SWT) reward you! :)

It is funny how we know things in our heart, we believe them we see them, they unravel before us, yet by the very nature of our human condition, we can't tread or move forward or think ahead without reassurance.. Don't you think that's why Allah swt gave us an ummah 'kal bonyan'? that the prophet left us with the Sunnah that Allah swt gave us the perpetual unending gift of prayer? I am personally under that impression..:)

:w:

[A-Believer-25]

He got what he deserved.

So you support the idea of killing people in cold blood without a fair trial? I saw your post in that Osama thread too. Is this the only reason you made an account here? Just curious.

[A-Believer-25]

@ßlµêßêll:

I agree!

Indeed, without the Quran and sunnah, we would be lost! we all need to make du'a to Allah (SWT), insha-Allah.

[Abz2000]

land is a non-perishable good, it is different from perishables. not all scholars will give you this opinion - but your intellect will,
renting out a non-perishable good it is not trade.

not all scholars will tell you that the promissory notes in our pockets are the dust from riba, and that we as an ummah need to work to move back to gold and silver.
the scholars who i have come across who condone the act of renting essential land go by events like khaybar - which are in a totally different context (slavery was a punishment).
it is a tricky subject in which we have to sometimes use our intellect, not all forms of riba are obvious, a little delving into the concept though will give you the ability to evaluate.
and why do you think banks focus so much on mortgages? it is a non-perishable commodity which can be used to compound - with no possibility of loss.
we are going off topic though,
pm me to discuss further

[Salahudeen]

land is a non-perishable good, it is different from perishables. not all scholars will give you this opinion - but your intellect will,
renting out a non-perishable good it is not trade.

not all scholars will tell you that the promissory notes in our pockets are the dust from riba, and that we as an ummah need to work to move back to gold and silver.
the scholars who i have come across who condone the act go by events like khaybar - which are in a totally different context (slavery was a punishment).
we are going off topic though,
pm me to discuss further

It is when it's a business, he pays zakat on the rent money. basically anything for personal use is different to business. when its a business there is zakaah on it, these houses are business, anything rented.

[جوري]

renting out a non-perishable good it is not trade

The alternative to renting is usury not everyone can afford to pay for anything especially housing in one lump sum..
all the banks in the world run on a system of kuffr that's unfortunately our modern reality..:hmm:

[Abz2000]

It is when it's a business, he pays zakat on the rent money. basically anything for personal use is different to business. when its a business there is zakaah on it, these houses are business, anything rented.

same could be said for gold - another non-perishable asset from the ground which zakah can be paid upon.
personal intellect and discretion is required.

The alternative to renting is usury not everyone can afford to pay for anything especially housing in one lump sum..
all the banks in the world run on a system of kuffr that's unfortunately our modern reality..

that's why we need to set up a system in palestine, the people there are insha Allah prepared.



مَنْ أَنصَارِي إِلَى اللَّهِ




وَالسَّابِقُونَ الأَوَّلُونَ مِنَ الْمُهَاجِرِينَ وَالأَنصَارِ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوهُم بِإِحْسَانٍ رَّضِيَ اللّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَرَضُواْ عَنْهُ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي تَحْتَهَا الأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا أَبَدًا ذَلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv2ld...eature=related

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam dear sis ,

He's no martyr no prophet, no sahabi just another despot who found God when it is too late

sis , Surely NATO did not kill him just because he was a bad Muslim .


pl. read his last will . Even if he was the most bad Muslim in the earth , he died with faith in one God and His last Prophet pbuh.

So , let's pray that Allah forgives his all sins and grants what is best for the Ummah.

[GuestFellow]

Salaam dear sis ,



sis , Surely NATO did not kill him just because he was a bad Muslim .


pl. read his last will . Even if he was the most bad Muslim in the earth , he died with faith in one God and His last Prophet pbuh.

So , let's pray that Allah forgives his all sins and grants what is best for the Ummah.

Salaam,

Ah I'm certain he supported George Bush's war on terror to some extent. Some countries disliked him because he put his own national interest's first. It is mostly likely this man was involved in torture against individuals that did not like him.

[Abz2000]

Of course he was against terror, and manipulated to remain at odds with Islam due to paranoia,
mi6 were trying to get alCIAda to kill him, (they have controlled a mercenary group which operates under the banner of islam (false flag) which is used to unleash instability wherever they please).
Scroll to 55 min :20 sec


And I believe they didn't kill him because of torture either, since Cheney and bush were practicing it so much - they even tried to made it legal

[Beardo]

So what's happening in Libya now?

[Abz2000]

they're searching out people who support gaddafi and killing them:

2 hours ago

TRIPOLI — Misrata militias are carrying out revenge attacks on the displaced residents of the nearby town of Tawargha, a stronghold of Moamer Kadhafi loyalists during Libya's eight-month conflict, a rights group said on Sunday.New York-based Human Rights Watch said in a statement it had received credible reports of Misrata militias shooting unarmed Tawarghans, and of arbitrary arrests and beatings of detainees, in a few cases leading to death.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hDFTTGtIn6jYHLF4lTTm_z2t62Pg?docId=CNG.da3f6 e58764d826ac0b9ee28d0e73a75.871


New York — Militias from the city of Misrata are terrorizing the displaced residents of the nearby town of Tawergha, accusing them of having committed atrocities with Gaddafi forces in Misrata, Human Rights Watch said today. The entire town of 30,000 people is abandoned - some of it ransacked and burned - and Misrata brigade commanders say the residents of Tawergha should never return.


Monday, Oct. 31st, seven months after it started, NATO’s operation in Libya will come to an end.
It is the first time NATO has ended an operation it started.
And it comes on the heels of an historic victory for the people of Libya who, with NATO’s help,
transformed their country from an international pariah into a nation with the potential to become a productive partner with the West.


30th October 2011
A gang of Libyan looters have raided a priceless collection of gold and silver coins that are believed to date back to the time of Alexander the Great.

The thieves carried off with the pieces, known as The Treasure of Benghazi, having drilled through a concrete ceiling at the National Commercial Bank of Benghazi.
An expert has described the raid as 'one of the greatest thefts in archeological history.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055283/Looters-Libya-seize-gold-known-The-Treasure-Benghazzi.html#ixzz1cHFs9cd0





look who's training them:

[جوري]

sis , Surely NATO did not kill him just because he was a bad Muslim .


pl. read his last will . Even if he was the most bad Muslim in the earth , he died with faith in one God and His last Prophet pbuh.

So , let's pray that Allah forgives his all sins and grants what is best for the Ummah.

NATO could kill their own mother if it benefited them in anyway.. they've alot to gain in displaying solidarity with the rebels like the do everywhere just to make sure what comes next isn't an Islamic state.
I have seen his last will and testament if it is his at all I have my doubts. How he & his family lived their lives surely speaks louder than posthumous words.

Either way I am not his judge nor executioner ... he has gone down the path all men will go and his judgement lies with God.. I think in lieu of crying over a man who ruled in a drunken stupor for 42 years we should focus our attention on the rise of this ummah before NATO really has their way.
Why do we constantly cry over what we've lost.. we lose our present & future in constantly living in a has-been existence!

Please loan this sadness & support to the living Muslims who need it now. Loan it so that a Muslim ummah is born of this not another western tool!

:w:

[Abz2000]

but it's happening as we speak sis, these muslims who do not support nato are being murdered and it's even being done in the name of Islam,
i've got a video of one group of them breaking things and the cameraman is whispering loudly "takbeer takbeer", so the mob starts saying takbeer loudly for the camera.
these were among the same lot who looted bottles of alcohol meant for foreign guests from diplomat's houses - and shared them out amongst themselves!

keep hitting the number 1 key, or scroll to 12 seconds


the nato reporters are ensuring that there's an islamic face to this coup, since firstly it appeases the middle east, and secondly they get free fighters.

remember this?

[جوري]

but it's happening as we speak sis, these muslims who do not support nato are being murdered and it's even being done in the name of Islam,
i've got a video of one group of them committing crimes and the cameraman is whispering loudly "takbeer takbeer", so the mob starts saying takbeer for the camera.
these were among the same lot who looted bottles of alcohol meant for foreign guests from diplomat's houses - and shared them out amongst themselves!

They're called filool.. they have them everywhere, it doesn't automatically denote that Gaddafi is a martyr or even a Muslim or that the rebels are siding with NATO.. it's merely to show dissent & confusion and I see it working. BTW they found alcohol in Gaddfi's compound amongst other things

















let me know if you can stomach more

[جوري]

we're talking mascaras, graves upon graves. Here's a guy who should be brought back from the dead and re-killed. Hasbona Allah wa'ni3ma alwakeel.. not sure what pisses me off more, the fact that Muslims are singing his praise or that people would tolerate this torture just because it is the lesser of two evils..

Don't we want a Muslim ummah? or we want this biting oppressing forever? A will and testament of a man who had no faith in his heart before doesn't automatically erase all that took place!

he's going to the afterlife with so much crap on his hands and I don't envy him and I am not going to think of him as a martyr. Someone who drinks, doesn't govern by God's law, glamorizes a witch like condoleeza, has mass graves of Muslims, squanders their wealth on kaffir nations in my book isn't any better than what NATO is out to do!

[Abz2000]

even the gaddafi capture in a "rat hole" was a psy-op, remember saddam's "spider-hole"?
it looks like hillary got there after the capture of gaddafi and later decided he was too much of a risk to bring to the icc, then had him placed there for the purpose of a psy-op - "crude street justice", "we played no part".

look carefully for the nato soldier standing solemnly on guard:

Attachment 4411

nato issue hard hat

[جوري]

even the gaddafi capture in a "rat hole" was a psy-op, remember saddam's "spider-hole"?
it looks like hillary got there after the capture of gaddafi and later decided he was too much of a risk to bring to the icc, then had him placed there for the purpose of a psy-op - "crude street justice", "we played no part".

look carefully for the nato soldier standing solemnly on guard:

I don't care who killed him, glad he's gone. I am not condoning NATO.. what we do with his death is entirely up to us not NATO.. are we that pathetic? Khalid ibn ilwaleed took down a 300 year old powerful empire in 19 days as ONE conquest... and you're telling me 1.86 billion of us are powerless against NATO or an ailing, failing west who is two trillions in debt from two wars, interested in a third and try as it may to send its devils to various parts of the middle east can't curb their revolt, nor can they even curb on their own occupy wallstreet protests?

come on akhi, you're smarter than that.
would you feel any more threatened if he died in a drunken stupor today? what will people do after his death? surely you conceive his mortality? if he dies under whatever circumstance should we just sit there weeping even if he were a good guy? we can't move forward?
Sob7an Allah I didn't see this level of outrage over Osama or alawlqi and he's certainly not of their ranks!

:w:

[Tyrion]

*Sigh, I just signed on for the first time in a few weeks, and I find this thread... Although it's not unexpected to see some members saying the stuff they're saying, it's still sad.

Don't we want a Muslim ummah? or we want this biting oppressing forever?

It seems that a good number of us would rather have drama, conspiracy theories, and any excuse to hate on America, even if that means siding with a murderous tyrant.

[جوري]

their kind treatment to their servants:


his 'Muslim' daughter



his 'PhD' son



eloquent..

his children's Islamic lifestyle



this is while a woman is begging him for medical treatment & he turns her down in the previous vid.

his 'Green book' replacement for shari3a


in more details his brand of shari3a



his own brand of punishment from his book



assassination of Libyans for refusing to kill other Libyans



yeah the poor despot was a model Muslim.. he was martyred for shame!

[Salahudeen]

I think you missed this one, I don't understand arabic but someone told me he's saying the following in it.

Here is him saying the following in a video clip, some of it is not translated saying:

Fatimade Empire is the true Muslim state
Arabs are shias
Egypt is Shia
There is no khilafah
Man can marry only one, 4 wives is a lie
Muhammad does not even intercede for himself let alone intercedes for you
Salat of Istisqaa and salat of istikharah are nonsense and false

[جوري]

and any excuse to hate on America

I don't like America either but sometimes Allah swt aids us through the debauched and immoral. NATO did one good thing which make Libyan skies a no fly zone for any plane, so bombs wouldn't drop on the people.. of course while they were doing their own killing on the side. We should look at it objectively and see what we can have to our advantage from a situation. It isn't always so black or so white.. and I suspect that infantile thinking and complete polarity isn't serving us well at all.. War is an intelligent thought and trickery not just bang bang.

Khalid ibn ilwaleed's army was minuscule in comparison with the Roman army, he had two choices, and he chose intelligence to defeat them. Using psychological, media warfare amongst other sources is our best bet now since the despots have collectively rid us all of weaponry, proper training and a an intelligent shari3a based thought for a life of debauchery, meekness and ignorance..

We're the same people that once had even the army of Peter the Great down on his knees. Something other than unilateral thinking has to enter the foray here!

Gaddaffi is dead, and I am indeed surprised by the outpouring of sympathy.. but what next? He must have succeeded to make us believe that there can be no successors that would fare better!

best,

[Tyrion]

It isn't always so black or so white..

+1

If only more of us would realize that.

[Abz2000]

sister, i cried in my prayer for brother awlaki - and did so many times , i didn't cry once for gaddafi - but still prayed for him for the fact that he was killed not for his evil - but for standing against them and supporting palestine,

you may choose to disagree, but anyone who stands against the dajjal army are closer to me than those who support them.
and tyrion seems to love them.
he even supported yasir Qadhi when Qadhi reviled brother awlaki and called him a terrorist.
i don't worship the U.S government.

and conspiracy theories?
do you know what wmd in iraq were?
did you see "cnn live from saudi arabia"?


ever heard of a girl called nayirah al-sabah?


tyrion - please think before you libel someone with the smear "conspiracy theorist".

dajjal means deceiver -
i believe the american government is being used as the seat of antiChrist - you cannot call upon antiChrist to kill your own leader.
i have already stated that Gaddafi was against the idea of Khilafah, and i am for it so that puts us at odds,
but those whom the "rebels" worked for are the total antithesis of khilafah.

it's like dwelling on the evils of saddam when over a million iraqis are murdered in front of our eyes - this isn't just about Gaddafi, it's about the thousands of Muslims being murdered by these nato rats right now.
and we see history repeating - as with iraq - soon there'll be talk of an insurgency, and "peacekeeping" etc.
libyans were turning more and more to Islam in the past decade, now they're using psy-ops to make them oppose it by installing a fake islamic government.

i'll repeat again - i believe that those who control the u.s government is the harbinger of the antiChrist - and they've awaited his return for years.
when you see jesus here - they'll be his enemy.

Annuit Cœptis is translated by the U.S. State Department, The U.S. Mint,^[7] and the U.S. Treasury^[8] as "He (God) has favored our undertakings." (brackets in original)

Ibn 'Omar said, "The Prophet mentioned the Dajjal (Deceiver) to the people.

He said,
"Allah is not one-eyed, but the Dajjal is blind in his right eye,
and his eye is like a bulging grape.'" (Sahih Muslim

[جوري]

but for standing against them and supporting palestine,

Fact is no one is supporting the Palestinians!
No one is helping Muslims at all beyond their du3a and food if it gets there at all. There's only one way to help Palestinians that I can think of!
it doesn't involve food packets nor the U.N or them standing at the Gaza border begging for medical treatment or clean water!.. each one of those despots frightened for his throne, has an army and weaponry.. akhi put the pieces together of what should and could have been done..

I don't doubt for one moment your sincerity. I love you guys you're my ummah, my brothers and sisters.. I am just deeply disappointed that is all!

:w:

[Abz2000]

i don't doubt your sincerity either respected sister, it is natural that our points of view will differ once in a while as no two humans are the same, we can argue our viewpoints and let each other decide, (actually i think you're one of the only sincere outspoken ones on this forum even above the guys - was boring without you).

it is however a fact that gaddafi was always pro-palestinian - though he was a "secular" muslim (there's no such thing).
i put this info up before, but will repeat it again,

please scroll to 4 min 22 sec and listen for just one minute - it is very short:



15/07/2010
Tel Aviv (AsiaNews / Agencies) - Libya's Al-Alam ship, chartered by Moammar Gadhafi and led by one of his sons, docked in Egypt last night escorted by four Israeli military vessels. The aim of the expedition was to get 2 thousand tons of humanitarian aid to Gaza but the ship was unable to force the Israeli blockade and was diverted from Tel Aviv to the Egyptian port of El-Ashida....
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Israe...ypt-18938.html

12 Jul 2010 8:27 AM

Washington – The Libyan ship underway to break the Gaza naval blockade will not carry one high-profile passenger - the Libyan president’s son Saif Gaddafi - Arabic-language Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi is head of the organization behind the voyage and is reportedly interested in sailing with the ship. In an effort to prevent him doing so, Libyan authorities Sunday restricted all flights that might jettison the premier’s son to join the vessel.

"Libya does not wish to intervene and believes the aid sail to Gaza conceals an adventure and a risk," one anonymous Libyan official told Al-Awsat. "Therefore, it has been decided to ban private flights. The decision is aimed at preventing Saif al-Islam and other Libyan figures from joining the ship.”

"Officially, Libya has nothing to do with the ship, and if any problem occurs it will cause an embarrassment on the international level," the official added. "Thus, we don't want any Libyan nationals on the ship, in order to prevent them from facing any danger, particularly from Israel, which has been repeating its threats to forcibly stop the ship."

......he was working in his own capacity in spite of the libyan government.
i believe this is the main reason why they targeted him and the zionists along with the pentagon were helping with disinfo and social networking - they have an army of cripples who just sit at pc's posting disinfo on news sites' comments sections and youtube videos.

TRIPOLI, Feb 13 (Reuters) - Palestinian refugees should capitalise on the wave of popular revolts in the Middle East by massing peacefully on the borders of Israel until it gives in to their demands, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi said on Sunday.Gaddafi is respected in many parts of the Arab world for his uncompromising criticism of Israel and Arab leaders who have dealings with the Jewish state, though some people in the region dismiss his initiatives as unrealistic.


And this is from the Jewish virtual library:

Gaddafi also became a strong supporter of the Palestinian Liberation Organization which ultimately harmed Libya's relations with Egypt when in 1979 Egypt pursued a peace agreement with Israel. As Libya's relations with Egypt worsened, Gaddafi sought closer relations with the Soviet Union. Libya became the first country outside the Soviet bloc to receive the supersonic MiG-25 combat fighters, but Soviet-Libyan relations remained relatively distant. Gaddafi also sought to increase Libyan influence, especially in states with an Islamic population, by calling for the creation of a Saharan Islamic state and supporting anti-government forces in sub-Saharan Africa.


Tensions between Libya and the West reached a peak during the Ronald Reagan Administration, which tried to overthrow Gaddafi.
The Reagan administration viewed Libya as a belligerent rogue state because of its uncompromising stance on Palestinian independence,
its support for revolutionary Iran in its 1980-1988 war against Saddam Hussein's Iraq and its backing for “liberation movements” in the developing world.
Reagan himself dubbed Gaddafi the “mad dog of the Middle East.”
In March 1982 the U.S. declared a ban on the import of Libyan oil and the export to Libya of US oil industry technology; European nations did not follow suit.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Qaddafi.html


but the cause was not lost due to the death of Abu Talib - A Non-Muslim supporter of Islam.
HasbunAllhiwani'mal Wakeek, Ni'mal Maula Wa Ni'mannaseer
A message which the "rebels" should study

[GuestFellow]

I find something strange. I know many Muslims that disliked Osama, Gaddafi and Sadam. Once they were killed, some felt the need to support them and defend some of the things they had done...

Can someone explain this to me? I'm confused.

[Abz2000]

They realised that the vilification of these people was being used as a cover to invade countries and kill millions.
And as long as people took the bait and clung onto and emphasized the comparitively minor crimes of these boogeymen, they could use it as a diversion and justification to kill millions of innocent brothers and sisters.
And even portray themselves as the saviours of the countries they loot and people they murder.

I've had pro-gaddafi stuff on my website from as soon as these events started,
Not because I believed gaddafi was the best Muslim, (I actually felt we may clash with his views in future due to his views on khilafah), but because I was looking past the distraction. I've lived in a village with my tribe and know that you do NOT allow a stranger to come and attack a tribe member - even if that member is your worst enemy,
You agree to be just and sort it out, but if the outsider takes to aggression, you get together with your tribe - no matter how internally divided, and you teach them a lesson that the whole town never forgets. That is the fiqh of dignity.

Muawiyah and Ali (ra) were enemies, but when the roman king saw the opportunity to exploit this he offered to "help" , muawiyah is reported to have sent him a message saying, "if you don't go back to your land, I will end my dispute with my brother and we will drive you out of the lands you currently occupy until the earth becomes straitened for you",
Naturally the Roman king decided there was no opportunity to grab Muslim land and he went back.

Have a listen to the story of the bull by brother awlaki again.
It has many lessons.



As long as we condemn gaddafi and leave off the relatively horrendous war crimes bush, blair, cheney, Obama and sarkozy have committed, these crooks will play the cop and a real corrupt one at that.
They used the un and icc to attack the country, then blatantly violated all aspects of the laws of these already non-credible organisations.
Peace brother

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

the little brother syndrome. When people are indoctrinated to think they are inferior
to those who are viewed with superior power they always rally to the defense of those
who are considered the defender of their grievances no matter how corrupt,morally
deficient or not implementing Islam.

Practicing Muslims condemn not just in internet banter but are active
in community involvement against those who don't make Allah ta 'Ala word superior.

Practicing Muslims don't justify wrong or overlook directives from Allah
and Nabi Muhammad ((

) of not killing innocent women, children, elderly
and non combatants.

This is the active thought of practicing Muslims:

_____________________________

An-Nisa (The Women)

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ كُونُواْ قَوَّامِينَ بِالْقِسْطِ شُهَدَاء لِلّهِ وَلَوْ عَلَى أَنفُسِكُمْ أَوِ الْوَالِدَيْنِ
وَالأَقْرَبِينَ إِن يَكُنْ غَنِيًّا أَوْ فَقَيرًا
فَاللّهُ أَوْلَى بِهِمَا فَلاَ تَتَّبِعُواْ الْهَوَى أَن تَعْدِلُواْ وَإِن تَلْوُواْ أَوْ تُعْرِضُواْ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرًا (4:135)
Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo koonoo qawwameena bialqisti shuhadaa lillahi
walaw AAala anfusikum awi alwalidayni waalaqrabeena in yakun ghaniyyan aw faqeeran faAllahu awla
bihima fala tattabiAAoo alhawa an taAAdiloo wain talwoo aw tuAAridoo fainna Allaha kana bima taAAmaloona khabeeran


4:135 (Y. Ali) O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah,
even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor:
for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort
(justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well- acquainted with all that ye do.

[Abz2000]

Snide remarks huh?
Sarcasm start* Yeah, Obama and bush were really implementing Islam, and issuing the best of fatwas for the governance of the Islamic state*
Watch Libya disintegrate into a feudal system and corruption until we retake it once we gave established khilafah.
This is what has happened to every country the western colonialists have "liberated" so far,
You may also want to visit Afghanistan,
I could do with a key of NATO heroin.

I clearly mentioned in my post that you had to be just.......
But that you didn't let the enemy come in coz there won't be justice,
Look at guantanamo bay, these are people who gave been betrayed by their countries and people, humiliated countries that allow such a thing.

Ever heard the prayer: hasbunallahi wani'mal wakeel ?
Not - hasbu NATO wani'mal wakeel.

Little brother syndrome?
They were saying : "Oh please NATO, please stay behind"
As if to say: You've only slaughtered 30,000 of our brothers and sisters, you were more benevolent to the Iraqis and used more humanitarian bombs on them than us, that's not fair! *sarcasm end.

....
It's called putting things in perspective,
Not straining at a gnat while swallowing a camel.
Here's an excellent example gaddafi and bush are compared.



Allah clearly gives us an example of pitying things in the correct perspective,
Read the tafseer on the verses:
They ask you concerning fighting in the prohibited month....

[Hamza Asadullah]

Snide remarks huh?
Sarcasm start* Yeah, Obama and bush were really implementing Islam, and issuing the best of fatwas for the governance of the Islamic state*
Watch Libya disintegrate into a feudal system and corruption until we retake it once we gave established khilafah.
This is what has happened to every country the western colonialists have "liberated" so far,
You may also want to visit Afghanistan,
I could do with a key of NATO heroin.

I clearly mentioned in my post that you had to be just.......
But that you didn't let the enemy come in coz there won't be justice,
Look at guantanamo bay, these are people who gave been betrayed by their countries and people, humiliated countries that allow such a thing.

Ever heard the prayer: hasbunallahi wani'mal wakeel ?
Not - hasbu NATO wani'mal wakeel.

Little brother syndrome?
They were saying : "Oh please NATO, please stay behind"
As if to say: You've only slaughtered 30,000 of our brothers and sisters, you were more benevolent to the Iraqis and used more humanitarian bombs on them than us, that's not fair! *sarcasm end.

....
It's called putting things in perspective,
Not straining at a gnat while swallowing a camel.
Here's an excellent example gaddafi and bush are compared.



Allah clearly gives us an example of pitying things in the correct perspective,
Read the tafseer on the verses:
They ask you concerning fighting in the prohibited month....

Brother do not let his snide remarks get to you for he has made a habit of doing that for a while now. Aswell as his consistant misquoting of ayah and hadith quoting them out of context. He needs to get off his high horse.

The fact of the matter is that Nato have gained forced entry into Libya and if anyone thinks that they intervened to free the people of Libya are truly delusional.

Their entry into the front open door of Libya now gives them an opportunity to establish their military base there once again aswell as freedom to exploit Libyas resources. It gives them the opportunity they needed to establish their puppet there and to shape Libyas future to ensure it becomes another Iraq.

People used to say the same about Saddam as they are saying about Gadaffi but now people are realising that Iraq was SO much better under Sadaam. Soon people will also realise that Libya was so much better under Gaddafi. A person is only appreciated once they are gone.

So will we rejoice over the kufaar taking control of another Muslim country in order to exploit it and ensure it descends into chaos and killing? Those who want to rejoice should then rejoice!

[جوري]

What would become of Libya or Iraq if Sadaam or Gadaffi were to drop dead of natural causes? Would that not leave their countries equally vulnerable? They've no successors no vice presidents even in their despotic totalitarian rule they thought themselves immortals .. But die all men will do and vulnerable their nations become upon their death .. Prophets die sahabbis die people like Qaddafi die.. Now what?

[Hamza Asadullah]

If they had died naturally that would have been far better than for a Muslim country to be forcefully entered into by kufaar forces under the premise of "freeing the people".

Did they free Iraq? After having forcefully entered into it under the false premise of WMD, killing o er a million Muslims. Did they free Afghanistan? After having forcefully entering into it slaughtering tens of thousands of Muslims under the false premise of 911. Did they free Libya, after over 30,000 Libyans killed and many civilians still being massacred and mass graves being found all the time.

After having forced entry into Iraq and Afghanistan they then went onto set up strategic military bases there (the same will happen in Libya).

They also went onto to establish their puppets in Iraq and Afghanistan just like they have done across the Muslim world, so that they could shape the future of those countries (the same will also happen in Libya).

The forced entries also enabled them to exploit the resources of those countries (the same will also happen in Libya).

They will ensure that Libya continues to destabilize ending up falling chaos and killing as is currently the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Do we not see a pattern emerging here? Do we not see the aftermarth of their forced entries? Did they free Afghanistan? Did they free the Iraq? Then what makes anyone think that they will free the Libya?

Look at the situation in Libya right now. Mass slaughter of alleged Gadaafi civilian supporters and anyone loyal to Gadaafi. Look at what is being uncovered all the time - Mass graves of innocent massacred civilians.

For anyone to think that the kufaar will ever bring freedom to a Muslim country is truly decieving themselves.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

It requires fortitude to even read the garbage submitted in the guise of
support of the oppressed Muslims instead of the lackeys and despots who
have ruled over the Muslims for over fifty years.

We deplore any actions against oppressed people worldwide by
imperial and colonial masters and their lackey agents who have
received billions of aid to continue to suppress the people.
They are one in the same.

The generational blood money from the West that continues to fund
the education of the elite and children isn't exempt from criticism.

Google searching Islam is no substitute for not attending
a Madrassa. Practicing Muslims will never be fooled.

When practicing Muslims don't subscribe to the tribal, cultural,
ethnic and generational brainwashing they will be subject to the
slander and obvious grade school banter.

Not even sophisticated enough to present a dialogue based upon
their support of the lackeys who received the aid from the West that is so hated.

A difficult balancing act of criticizing the West and supporting and disavowing
the corrupt regimes who accept the billions in aid.

If you claim to be an adherent of Islam guard against lying and disparaging practicing Muslims character.

An-Nisa (The Women)
وَمَن يَكْسِبْ خَطِيئَةً أَوْ إِثْمًا ثُمَّ يَرْمِ بِهِ بَرِيئًا فَقَدِ احْتَمَلَ بُهْتَانًا وَإِثْمًا مُّبِينًا (4:112)
Waman yaksib khateeatan aw ithman thumma yarmi bihi bareean faqadi ihtamala buhtanan waithman mubeenan

4:112 (Y. Ali) But if any one earns a fault or a sin and
throws it on to one that is innocent, He carries (on himself) (Both) a falsehood and a flagrant sin.

[جوري]

Br Hamzah .. Are you familiar with this Hadith?

: " بشر هذه الأمة بالسناء والرفعة والدين والنصر والتمكين في الأرض". (روا الإمام أحمد وصححه

[Hamza Asadullah]

Can you translate it please...

[جوري]

It translates to: give gladtiding to the ummah of eminence and splendor, religiosity and victory and dominion over the eart (Ahmed) akhi consider that this maybe God's plan to rid us of despotic regime and transition us to true khilafah .. People in the middle east are very privy to western agenda even more than we're .. Have a little patience and faith.. Don't take my words for it but the words of rasool Allah

:w:

[Hamza Asadullah]

Consider the following:

Abul-Hârith Ahmad b. Muhammad Al-Sâ`igh, the close and respected friend of Imâm Ahmad, reports:

I asked Abû ‘Abdillâh (Imâm Ahmad) about something that had occurred in Baghdâd, and [because of which] some people were considering revolting [against the ruler]. I said, “O Abû ‘Abdillâh, what do you say about taking part in the revolt with these people?” He decried it and started saying, “Subhânallâh! The blood [of the people], the blood [of the people]! I do not believe in this and I do not tell others to do it. For us to suffer our situation in patience is better than the fitnah (tribulation) in which blood is spilt, property is taken, and the prohibited are violated (e.g. the honor of women). Do you not know what happened to the people (in the days of the previous fitnah)?” I said, “And the people today, Abû ‘Abdillâh, are they not in fitnah [because of the ruler]?” He replied, “If so, it is a limited fitnah, but if the sword is raised, the fitnah will engulf everything and there will be no way to escape. To suffer patiently this [current difficulty], where Allâh keeps your religion safe for you is better for you.” I saw him decry revolting against the leaders, and say, “[Do not spill the people's] blood. I do not believe in this and I do not command it.”

Abû Bakr Al-Khallâl, Al-Sunnah article 89.

Of course everything only happens by the will of Allah. I guess things could get better, but then again they could also get much worse.

And Allah knows best in all matters

[جوري]

Consider that the ummah has gone through far worst times before and some of the ahadiths are of events passed not those to come or current events.. I did the same thing two weeks ago with regard to the Christian upheaval in Egypt and quoted a Hadith that my dad told me had in fact occurred during the time of the Mongols .. We don't even have an ummah to consider this dissent against its rulers .. Technically we've been hijacked by kaffir regime since the dissolution of the ottomans ... we've never not had an ummah until modern times structurally that's not just theortically!

I am going to sleep now because I have a bad headache insha'Allah we'll all feel better tomorrow

Gnight everyone and pls be good to your Muslim bros and srs no matter how trying!

:w:

[Abz2000]

A difficult balancing act of criticizing the West and supporting and disavowing
the corrupt regimes who accept the billions in aid.

It truly is a difficult balancing act, because it is so difficult to denounce the west and then disavowing these guys a million times less, or disavowing these guys then criticising the west one million times more.
Actually justice can't be done, even if the crimes of these guys are not mentioned at all it's still not balanced since even if you heap praises on the despots - they still don't balance it out with the crimes of the west.

this maybe God's plan to rid us of despotic regime and transition us to true khilafah

It may well be sister, but that does not justify inviting the dajial to kill your people, Allah's plan is very subtle, but it works through their crimes, we are not justified in supporting those crimes,
And they plotted and planned, and Allah too plotted and planned, and Allah is the best of plotters and planners.

People in the middle east are very privy to western agenda even more than we're

If they all were, those people in Syria would have lynched the ones in their country asking NATO to establish a "no fly zone" and would have all showed solidarity, then dealt with their own country in a just way.


*

Narrated by Ibn Umar
We were talking about Hajjat-ul-Wada, while the Prophet was amongst us. We did not know what Hajjat-ul-Wada' signified.
The Prophet praised Allah and then mentioned Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal and described him extensively, saying,
"Allah did not send any prophet but that prophet warned his nation of Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal.
Noah and the prophets following him warned (their people) of him. He will appear amongst you (O Muhammad's followers), and if it happens that some of his qualities may be hidden from you, but your Lord's State is clear to you and not hidden from you.
The Prophet said it thrice. Verily, your Lord is not blind in one eye, while he (i.e. Ad-Dajjal) is blind in the right eye which looks like a grape bulging out (of its cluster).

No doubt,! Allah has made your blood and your properties sacred to one another like the sanctity of this day of yours, in this town of yours, in this month of yours."
The Prophet added: No doubt! Haven't I conveyed Allah's Message to you?"
They replied, "Yes," The Prophet said thrice, "O Allah! Be witness to it."
The Prophet added, "Woe to you!" (or said), "May Allah be merciful to you! Do not become infidels after me (i.e. my death) by cutting the necks (throats) of one another."
Hadith 5.685 (Sahih Bukhari Hadith)

[marwen]

guys please let's get over the off-topic critics.

إِنَّمَا ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُونَ إِخۡوَةٌ۬ فَأَصۡلِحُواْ بَيۡنَ أَخَوَيۡكُمۡ*ۚ وَٱتَّقُواْ ٱللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُمۡ تُرۡحَمُونَ
All believers are but brothers, therefore seek reconciliation between your two brothers, and fear Allah, so that you may be blessed with mercy. (Al-Hujurat - 10)


Gadafi is dead. I respect all the brothers and sisters who think its better for Gadafi to be dead, and we should hope a brighter future for our libyan brothers, Allah will help them InshaAllah.
I also respect all the brothers and sisters who think it's a loss for the ummah, because they think Gadafi had some positive aspects and the NATO intervention was unnecessary.
Personally I can't have a clear position about the matter. My only position is that I'm sure that Allah will give victory to muslims if they are sincere, wherever they are and whatever they did. That's why I just posted the OP as an objective news without giving my opinion, fearing that I could be wrong.

So please brothers don't let this subject and our different opinions about it make us quarrel and get angry about each other.

@brother sabr* :
I like your posts brother. I always learned from them. So I would like you to accept others critics whether they are true or wrong. If you accept true critics, you will be a better person in the eyes of other people. And if you accept wrong critics and deal with them calmly, then you will be a better person in the eyes of Allah, and get a better reward.

@brother abz, and @brother Hamza :
My dear brothers, you really showed you are so helpful to this forum and to the Ummah in many times. So I ask you to privilege the brotherhood between muslims and the interest of our ummah over our own convictions and opinions. I don't deny that you should correct your brothers if you think they did wrong, but in that case let your advice be respectful, discrete, wel-disposed and brotherly, for there is brothers among us who are too sensitive and may understand our advice in a wrong way.

Please forgive me and Jazakom Allah Khayran, all those who contributed to this thread.

[~Raindrop~]

guys please let's get over the off-topic critics.

Thank you.
Stick to the topic. Having to delete off-topic posts is getting rather tiresome now. Warnings and/or infractions will be issued if this continues.

Better not to say anything at all if you can't be polite or if you feel the need to spam threads with off-topics.

[Salahudeen]

Consider the following:

Abul-Hârith Ahmad b. Muhammad Al-Sâ`igh, the close and respected friend of Imâm Ahmad, reports:

I asked Abû ‘Abdillâh (Imâm Ahmad) about something that had occurred in Baghdâd, and [because of which] some people were considering revolting [against the ruler]. I said, “O Abû ‘Abdillâh, what do you say about taking part in the revolt with these people?” He decried it and started saying, “Subhânallâh! The blood [of the people], the blood [of the people]! I do not believe in this and I do not tell others to do it. For us to suffer our situation in patience is better than the fitnah (tribulation) in which blood is spilt, property is taken, and the prohibited are violated (e.g. the honor of women). Do you not know what happened to the people (in the days of the previous fitnah)?” I said, “And the people today, Abû ‘Abdillâh, are they not in fitnah [because of the ruler]?” He replied, “If so, it is a limited fitnah, but if the sword is raised, the fitnah will engulf everything and there will be no way to escape. To suffer patiently this [current difficulty], where Allâh keeps your religion safe for you is better for you.” I saw him decry revolting against the leaders, and say, “[Do not spill the people's] blood. I do not believe in this and I do not command it.”

Abû Bakr Al-Khallâl, Al-Sunnah article 89.

Of course everything only happens by the will of Allah. I guess things could get better, but then again they could also get much worse.

And Allah knows best in all matters

I'm confused, people tell me that the hadiths forbid rebelling, unless you see open kufr from your leaders in that case it's allowed and ghadaffi showed open kufur they that's why scholars made takfir on him. And they also give other examples of like when Hussain rebelled against Yazid, and when Abdullah ibn Zubair rebelled. And other examples of when pious companions rebelled but I can't remember now.

So were these companions doing wrong when they rebelled :s or is it because the libyans rebelled with the aid of nato that's why its wrong.

Also I know you will say, scholars make takfir whether it's true or not only Allah knows, but then like this we can't say that no body isn't Muslim because we don't know what's in their heart, what if tony blair is a Muslim because we don't know what's in his heart, what if Obama is a Muslim because we don't know what's in his heart, and what if a person says "I'm a Muslim" and then he prostrates to an idol and maintains that he's a Muslim, would we accept him as a Muslim under the guise of "we don't know what's in his heart" even though he prostrates to an Idol infront of everyone, or if he says there is no such thing as 4 wifes in Islam which implies Qur'an isn't true, but he still maintains he's a muslim do we accept it because we don't know what's in his heart. Do you see what I'm trying to say brother, this is how it was explained to me, that if you do actions or say things that are against Islam, i.e you say "there's another prophet after Muhammed" then you have invalidated your Islam regardless if you say "I'm still a Muslim".

It's true Allah will judge him in the next life and he may have repented from those things before he died, but in this life we judge on what is apparent of people's actions. I believe this is what Umar RA also said.

I found this article, how accurate it is I don't know but I thought it was interesting.






"
He who examines the biographies of the early (Muslims) and how they dealt with unjust imams would find among the noble Companions and followers those that revolted against leaders of tyranny and injustice by the sword and by force. The revered Companion Abdullah bin Zubair, may Allah be pleased with him, revolted in Mecca and captured it for no reason other than the injustice which prevailed there. Hussain bin Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, rebelled against Yazid bin Muawiya. Moreover, Abdullah bin Abbas advised him to go to Yemen to plan and train.

Others did not revolt, such as the revered Companion Abdullah bin Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, among others

The pages of history books have recorded numerous biographies of noble ulema, great jurists, revered Hadith scholars and powerful interpreters of the Quran who rebelled against unjust and tyrannical leaders, such as Said bin Jubayr, al-Shaabi, Ibn Abi Leila, al-Buhturi and others. Those ulema who recite the Quran joined with Abdul Rahman bin al-Ashaath in revolt against al-Hajjaj bin Yusuf al-Thaqafi. Their number was 100,000 or more. Imam al-Jassas, a Hanafi jurist, said of Imam Abi Hanifa, who died in the year 150 Hijri, may Allah have mercy on him, that his school (of religious jurisprudence) was famous in battling tyranny and unjust imams.


Likewise, Imam Malik, may Allah have mercy on him, deemed it appropriate to revolt against unjust and tyrannical rulers. Imam Ibn Jarir reported that when he (Ibn Malik) issued a verdict to the people in favor of the actions of Muhammad bin Abdullah al-Hasan, who revolted in the year 145 Hijri, he was told “On our conscience is allegiance to al-Mansur.” He said: “You were forced to swear and allegiance cannot be compelled.” Here ends his words as reported in Ibn Kathir’s book al-Bidaya wal-Nihaya.

So it was with the disciples of Malik afterwards. Yahya bin Yahya al-Laithi, a jurist of al-Andalus, and Qar’us bin Abbas, were among those who rebelled against the rule of bin Hisham bin al-Dakhil in 202 Hijri, as was reported in Ibn alAthir’s book al-Kamil and in Qadi Iyad’s book Tarteeb al-Madarik wa Taqreeb al-Maslik.

Also, Imam al-Nawawi reported in his book Sharh Sahih Muslim that the Imam al-Haramain and Shafa’i jurist Abu al-Mu’ali al-Juwayni said: “If a temporal ruler commits an outrage and his tyranny and injustice become evident and he does not restrain himself when verbally rebuked for his ill-doing, the people of influence may act together to overthrow him even by drawing weapons and launching wars.”

Among those who also believed in the permissibility of rebelling against an unjust imam were the Hanbali jurists Ibn Razeen, Ibn Aqeel and Ibn al-Juzi, as was reported in Abdullah Umar’s book al-Imamatu al-Uzma. Among the ulema that rebelled against unjust rulers in their day was Imam Ahmad bin Nasr al-Khaza’i until he was killed. He was praised by Ahmad bin Hanbal and was mentioned in Ibn Kathir’s book al-Bidaya wal-Nihaya.

Praise Allah, if this is in regard to unjust leaders, then what about the rulers of our day who are allies of the Jews and Christians and work together to sell Bait al-Maqdis to the Jews and to strike Gaza and the Mujahideen everywhere under the pretext of combating terrorism. Those who rebelled against the rulers of their times found justification in a collection of evidence. As the Almighty said:


“But My promise is not within the reach of evildoers.” [2:124]

They also used the general evidence commanding the enjoining of what is right and forbidding what is wrong and destroying it. Among those who opposed rebelling against unjust rulers were Imam al-Tahawi and al-Nawawi. This was favored by the interpreter of al-Tahawi and also Ibn Hajar and those who followed their doctrine.

Based on the above, we see that the Salaf differed on the issue of rebelling against unjust and tyrannical leaders. " end quote

http://theunjustmedia.com/Islamic%20...e%20Rulers.htm

[جوري]

I'm confused, people tell me that the hadiths forbid rebelling, unless you see open kufr from your leaders in that case it's allowed and ghadaffi showed open kufur they that's why scholars made takfir on him. And they also give other examples of like when Hussain rebelled against Yazid, and when Abdullah ibn Zubair rebelled. And other examples of when pious companions rebelled but I can't remember now.

So were these companions doing wrong when they rebelled :s or is it because the libyans rebelled with the aid of nato that's why its wrong.

Even when leaders were corrupt before and there were plenty of hedonism, and fisq like the bizarre rulers of the Fatimid empire who even forbade eating Molokhya and tarwaeeh by cutting the tongues of the imams who make the call for prayer , we still were never under non-Islamic rule.. We're under kaffir regimes have no doubt about that. Bashar supposedly 'converted' to Islam before taking office, what was he before? and what he still is obvious.

We can tolerate many things so long as there was an ummah but there is no ummah, such rules just simply can't apply, given the numerous ahadith:

قول جلّ القائل في كتابه الكريم:

1) { ومن لم يحكم بما أنزل الله فأول-ئك هم الكافرون} [المائدة : 45].
2) { فاحكم بينهم بما أنزل الله} [المائدة : 48].
3) { فلا وربك لا يُؤمنون حتى يحكّموك فيما شجر بينهم} [النساء : 65].
4) { واحذرهم أن يفتنوك عن بعض ما أنزل الله إليك} [الجاثية : 18].
5) { أفحكم الجاهلية يبغون ومن أحسن من الله حُكماً} [المائدة : 50].
6) { إنا أنزلنا إليك الكتاب بالحق لتحكم بين الناس بما أراك الله} [النساء : 105].

1) وعن عبادة بن الصامت رضي الله عنه قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: ( سيليكم أمراء من بعدي يعرّفونكم ما تنكرون، ويُنكرون عليكم ما تعرفون، فمن أدرك ذلك منكم فلا طاعة لمن عصى الله ) ([1]).

2) وعن عبد الله ابن مسعود رضي الله عنه قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: ( سيكون عليكم أُمراء يُؤخّرون الصلاة عن مواقيتها ويحُدِثون البدع. قلت: فكيف أصنع؟ قال: تسألني يابْنَ أُمِّ عَبْدٍ كيف تصنعُ؟ لا طاعةَ لمن عصَى الله ) ([2]).

3) وعن أبي سعيد الخدري وأبي هريرة رضي الله عنهما قالا: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: ( ليأتين عليكم أُمراء يُقرّبون شرار النّاس، ويُؤخِّرُون الصَّلاة عن مواقيتها، فمن أدركَ ذلك منهم فلا يكُونن عرِيفاً، ولا شُرْطياً، ولا جَابِيا،ً ولا خَازِناً ) ([3]).

[1] رواه الحاكم والطبراني وهو حديث صحيح.

[2] رواه الطبراني في الكبير وهو حديث صحيح.

[3] رواه ابن ماجة وسنده صحيح، وأخرجه ابن حبان في صحيحه، وأحمد في مسنده، والطبراني في المعجم الصغير، والخطيب في تاريخ بغداد.

The ahadith here speak of NO ta3a to those who so much as delay prayers so please do tell of complete open kuffr?
come on

[Abz2000]

i personally believe that it was the duty of Muslims to install a real Muslim leader - but to help NATO remove a semi-Muslim leader because he opposes NATO and Israel is kufr in my opinion.
and to fight against that leader at a sensitive time knowing that the kuffar will use it as an opening is also foolish IMHO.
you've just removed a fool and installed iblis.
but the fool was still looking out for the interests of his people in a secular sort of way - and obama or sarkozy will try to loot them in a secular AND spiritual way, AND use it to turn people against Islam.
those NATO rebels are murdering people if they're black, were at the wrong place at the wrong time, said gaddafi was better than them, etc.
none of which is a part of Islam - and is actually the antithesis of Islam.

O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?
(4:144)

and just browse this site and find out how many anti-Gaddafi supporters there are who voted for or support Obama, does it make any sense?

the funny thing about gaddafi was that he was quite open about his beliefs - even if they were deluded, something you cannot say for the u.s puppet leaders throughout the middle east whom we ignore - who are actually wolves in sheep's clothing.

he was funny aswell - he invites a bunch of italian girls promising a party - then invites them to Islam and gives them Qurans - he even got 2 converts apparently! lol





guys - i am not saying this guy was a model muslim leader, but look at the treatment of Muslims in Iraq before the invasion, and now.
we would have done better to remove them ourselves (at the right time) and install better leaders - not install obama, sarkozy and rothschild friend cameron!
these rebel rats made a deal with the devil - they'll now find all willing fighter's names in u.s databases too.

[Salahudeen]

i personally believe that it was the duty of Muslims to install a real Muslim leader - but to help NATO remove a semi-Muslim leader because he opposes NATO and Israel is kufr in my opinion.
and to fight against that leader at a sensitive time knowing that the kuffar will use it as an opening is also foolish IMHO.
you've just removed a fool and installed iblis.
but the fool was still looking out for the interests of his people in a secular sort of way - and obama or sarkozy will try to loot them in a secular AND spiritual way, AND use it to turn people against Islam.
those NATO rebels are murdering people if they're black, were at the wrong place at the wrong time, said gaddafi was better than them, etc.
none of which is a part of Islam - and is actually the antithesis of Islam.

O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?
(4:144)

But then you see the counter argument that they present is that Ghadaffi wasn't Muslim in the first place, and they quote all the vidoes of him denying things from Islam that are in the Qur'an.

[Abz2000]

But then you see the counter argument that they present is that Ghadaffi wasn't Muslim in the first place, and they quote all the vidoes of him denying things from Islam that are in the Qur'an

which part of Khilafah and Islam do obama and sarkozy support?

In December 2004, A report by the National Intelligence Council (NIC) state a possible scenario that by 2020 a “New Caliphate" would have been established.
This 123-page report titled "Mapping the Global Future" was aimed to prepare the next Bush administration for future challenges, and was presented to US President, members of Congress, cabinet members and key officials involved in policymaking.
According to CSIS (Center for Strategic and International Studies), Washington based think tank, this report was not a prediction, but a case exercise/study which involves observing the various events taking place in the world.
These events are then connected in such a way that there might be a possibility of forming of a Caliphate state.
Given that such a state may be established, then it is to be decided from today as to what needs to be done to prevent it, if it needs to be prevented.
Moreover there are two organizations which did such a study, one is the CIA and the other is Shell Oil Company.

the people of libya were turning to Islam anyway - and were raging against the U.S and it's allies for their attitude towards Islam and their betrayal of Palestine,
and gaddafi was releasing them from prison too (breaking his deal on the war on "terror"),
so they took it by the reigns and injected themselves - and diverted the real issues.
this is an old ploy- study how they destroyed Khilafah by using Lawrence of Arabia and then betraying everyone who supported them.



we need to look past the boogiemen and realise who has taken God and His messenger as sworn enemies.

[Salahudeen]

which part of Khilafah and Islam do obama and sarkozy support?

Which part of Khliafah did Ghaddfi support? he may have supported Islam in some aspects, but david cameron also supports Islam in some aspects, in fact david cameron even visits masjids every now and again to show his support and talks with the masjid comitee to make sure the correct version of Islam is being taught, the type that doesn't encourage jihad, they support the watered down Islam that says there's no such things as Jihad and we should all sit in a empty room with the lights off shaking our heads all day saying Allah hu. Everyone supports this type of Islam, and if you teach this sort of Islam they will even fund your masjid and help you set up colleges to spread this type of Islam.

And I also heard from a libyan brother that people would be afraid to grow their beards in Libya how true this is Allah hu alam.

But you must also understand I don't think it was purely an islamic uprising, it also had to do with the fact that they had poor quality of life while their "kaffir" leader was enjoying all their wealth. And if someone spoke out they would disappear or get killed.

Some libyans/Muslims would argue that they were more free to practice Islam under Cameron and Obama than they were under Ghadaffi. After all they can speak out against Cameron's and Obama's system in a protest without worrying for their lifes, they can even call for sharia here, Look at the likes of Anjum Choudrhey and what his group do, trying to establish khilafa in the UK lol, you think they would be allowed to do what they're doing under Ghadaffi?

we need to look past the boogiemen and realise who has taken God and His messenger as sworn enemies.

But the libyan people are telling us all about the boogiman that was Ghadaffi and it's hard not to listen to their story and feel sorry for them having to suffer what they did.

[Abz2000]

i mentioned obama sarkozy and cameron simply because you pointed out gaddafi's unorthodox stance on Islam.
however - if you wish to believe that they are going to liberate muslims from oppressive leaders and support those who will usher in Khilafah - you are free to do so brother- but please do look into the events and betrayals of the past century.

“ There are people who control spacious territories teeming with manifest and hidden resources. They dominate the intersections of world routes. Their lands were the cradles of human civilizations and religions. These people have one faith, one language, one history and the same aspirations. No natural barriers can isolate these people from one another ... if, per chance, this nation were to be unified into one state, it would then take the fate of the world into its hands and would separate Europe from the rest of the world. Taking these considerations seriously, a foreign body should be planted in the heart of this nation to prevent the convergence of its wings in such a way that it could exhaust its powers in never-ending wars. It could also serve as a springboard for the West to gain its coveted objects.”
"Sir" Campbell Bannerman, [Prime Minister of Britain (1905-08)]


Lawrence was told by his superiors that the Arabs (who were under Turkish rule at the time and had been since the 1500s) would be given their own independent state consisting of the lands that are now Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, The Palestinian Territories, Iraq, and the Hejaz (the western coast of what is now Saudi Arabia). Lawrence induced the Arab prince who ruled Mecca and the Hejaz as a Turkish governor, Hussein ibn Ali al-Hashem (known as the Sherif of Mecca), to revolt against the Turks.

During the war, while the Sherif's army, led by Lawrence and Feisal ibn Hussein al-Hashem (Hussein's son), fought the Turks the British and French were conspiring to divide the Arab lands among themselves as colonies. France was to get Syria and Lebanon, Britain the rest.

The British then promised a group of British Jews that they could have Palestine to set up a Jewish homeland, and this was done while still promising the Arabs that they would have Palestine! This is the root of the modern conflict between the Arabs and Jews. The British dishonesty toward both groups (the govt in London told the Jews they could have Palestine but when Jews began to move there, the British colonial government there encouraged the Arabs to fight the Jews!).

The Balfour Declaration was the British promise to the Jews that they could set up a Jewish homeland in Palestine after the war.


...there is more planning behind the two world wars than meets the eye - the lives lost were "collateral damage" - since the big bankers never took front line positions, but got it made due to the loans required after destruction of all sides, and had their political goals achieved.

please watch the documentary for future reference - it is eye-opening

[Abz2000]

here are their views on Muslims having real Islamic government:

Tony Blair,
In a speech at Labour Party National Conference, stated:
What we are confronting here is an evil ideology......They demand the elimination of Israel; the withdrawal of all Westerners from Muslim countries, irrespective of the wishes of people and government; the establishment of effectively Taliban states and Shariah law in the Arab world en route to one caliphate of all Muslim nations.

President Bush
“The militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, enabling them to overthrow all moderate governments in the region, and establish a radical Islamic empire that spans from Spain to Indonesia"
“The murderous ideology of the Islamic radicals is the great challenge of our new century. Yet, in many ways, this fight resembles the struggle against communism in the last century."


**** Cheney [Vice President, Speech in Sydney, Australia February 2007]

" ...And it is they, the terrorists, who have ambitions of empire. Their goal in the broader Middle East is to seize control of a country, so they have a base from which they can launch attacks against governments that refuse to meet their demands. Their ultimate aim -- and one they boldly proclaim -- is to establish a caliphate covering a region from Spain, across North Africa, through the Middle East and South Asia, all the way to Indonesia. And it wouldn't stop there.
...The war on terror is more than a contest of arms, and more than a test of will. It is a battle of ideas...."


Donald Rumsfeld [US Secretary of Defense, December 5 2005]
In a speech at the Paul Nitze School of Advanced Studies at Johns Hopkins:

"...Iraq would serve as the base of a new Islamic caliphate to extend throughout the Middle East and which would threaten the legitimate governments in Europe, Africa, and Asia. This is their plan. They have said so. We make a terrible mistake if we fail to listen and learn...."


Eric Edelman [Undersecretary of Defense for Policy]

December 1, 2005, Council on Foreign Relations, Washington, DC

"...So I think we need to be very clear. Iraq's future will either embolden terrorists and expand their reach and ability to establish a — reestablish a caliphate, or it will deal them a crippling blow. For us, failure in Iraq is just not an option..."


O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin:
Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse (3:118)


For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies (4:101)

[Salahudeen]

i mentioned obama sarkozy and cameron simply because you pointed out gaddafi's unorthodox stance on Islam.
however - if you wish to believe that they are going to liberate muslims from oppressive leaders and support those who will usher in Khilafah - you are free to do so brother- but please do look into the events and betrayals of the past century.

Lawrence was told by his superiors that the Arabs (who were under Turkish rule at the time and had been since the 1500s) would be given their own independent state consisting of the lands that are now Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, The Palestinian Territories, Iraq, and the Hejaz (the western coast of what is now Saudi Arabia). Lawrence induced the Arab prince who ruled Mecca and the Hejaz as a Turkish governor, Hussein ibn Ali al-Hashem (known as the Sherif of Mecca), to revolt against the Turks.

During the war, while the Sherif's army, led by Lawrence and Feisal ibn Hussein al-Hashem (Hussein's son), fought the Turks the British and French were conspiring to divide the Arab lands among themselves as colonies. France was to get Syria and Lebanon, Britain the rest.

The British then promised a group of British Jews that they could have Palestine to set up a Jewish homeland, and this was done while still promising the Arabs that they would have Palestine! This is the root of the modern conflict between the Arabs and Jews. The British dishonesty toward both groups (the govt in London told the Jews they could have Palestine but when Jews began to move there, the British colonial government there encouraged the Arabs to fight the Jews!).

The Balfour Declaration was the British promise to the Jews that they could set up a Jewish homeland in Palestine after the war.

please watch the documentary for future reference - it is eye-opening

Yes you mentioned them and in my view they don't differ from Ghadaffi on their stance on Islam, which is "hey practice Islam all you want, we'll even build your masjids for you and give you government grants to build them, so long as you teach the type of Islam that doesn't threaten our regime, the minute you do that we're gonna crush you" I don't see any difference here between Ghadaffi or Cameron.

Well it was the libyan people who decided they could no longer bear life under ghadaffi and enough was enough, you may say the libyan people don't want this and the media just made it look to so, but then I talk to libyans in real life and they tell me how happy they are that he's gone and how bad he was, and how they came to the west to practice their religion without fear of oppression.

I don't think nato will liberate muslims and help people to usher in khlifa, I think nato are puppets to Allah and he's pulling their strings without them even realizing, you see when Allah wants to give the Muslims victory it will happen, he will create the circumstances on Earth that will facilitate our victory, just like when we took Persia, Allah facilitated it by creating circumstances that aided us, the Persian empire argued amongst themselves and split into two so we took it much easier.

For all we know this is just another piece of the puzzle, maybe in them helping to remove Ghadaffi they've shot themselves in the foot but they'll realize it much later on, I mean no one knows what's going to happen, but don't worry when Allah wants to give us victory he will create the circumstances on Earth to facilitate us.

Please don't misunderstand me as praising nato, because I know they have an agenda, and preserving human life certainly isn't on it, they want the black gold. But you never know what a certain set of events could bring around, it's not a crime to be optimistic and try to see the best outcomes

[Abz2000]

let's take a step back and look at it from a historical perspective.
when the crusaders were attacking Muslim cities one by one, and a certain Muslim city had an undesirable leader who was against the crusaders,
what would you assume would be the most appropriate course of action to take?
1. choose that time to remove the leader thereby destabilizing the nation and leaving it wide open for the invaders and even support the crusaders in achieving their aims.
2. unite with that leader to fend off the attack and then resolve your own disputes.
3. stand up separately from the leader to oppose the invaders with the mutual understanding that you'll resolve your dispute later.

i'd personally weigh the possibilities of 2 & 3, 1 would be out of the question.

you are aware that gaddafi was uniting africa into a non-proxy of the west, and that libya was taking the leadership role in the process?
and that he was also inviting the arab leaders to join with him in rejecting the paper dollar and moving onto the gold standard? which is the islamic standard where washington and the federal reserve cannot devalue everyone's buying power through "QE".
.......which they rejected.
the man was not a model Muslim leader but was a shrewd politician who had the financial interests of people at heart.
i give credit where credit is due.

Since gold yuan coinage was announced by China, talks about the gold
standard had been brought up in the Middle East.
The main initiator of non-payment in dollars and euros is
the Leader and Guide of the Revolution in Libya, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi.
He called on Arab and African world to adopt a single current - the gold dinar.

On this financial basis, Colonel Gaddafi offered to create a
single African state with Arab and Black African population numbering
200 million people.

The idea of creating a single gold currency and uniting the countries of
Africa into one powerful federal system has been actively
supported during the last year by a number of Arabic and almost all African states.
Democracy-infested South Africa and the Arab League are opposed to the idea.

The US and the EU reacted very negatively to such a initiative.
According to a French Zio "president" Sarkozy,
"the Libyans have set on
the financial security of mankind."
Repeated calls by the Leader of the
Libyan Revolution yields some results: Gaddafi has made more and more
steps aimed at creating a United Africa.

Two false arguments have been invented to cover up the true reason
for the present Zio-Christian Crusade against Libya: officially - "to
defend human rights" and unofficially - an attempt to steal oil from the
Libyan people. Both of these arguments do not hold up to scrutiny.

The truth is that Colonel Muammar Gaddafi decided to repeat the attempts
by French General de Gaulle to abandon the use of U.S. junk paper money
called "dollars" and return to gold, i.e. he attempts to attack the
chief power of modern parasitic Zio Democracy - the banking system.

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Sarkozy hints at military attack on Libya

French President Nicolas Sarkozy says Paris will lead an attack on Libyan territories in a bid to
"protect the civilian population and preserve human consciousness".

Abu Bakr ibn Abi Maryam reported that he heard the Messenger of God, may Almighty God bless him and grant him peace, say:
"A time is certainly coming over mankind in which there will be nothing [left] which will be of value save a dinar and a dirham.
(Recorded in The Musnad of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal)
dinar = gold coin, dirham = silver coin

[جوري]

I must pose the following Q's
1- Do you think the U.S was victorious in Iraq?
2- Do you think the U.S was victorious in Afghanistan?

already their own writers are speaking of war fatigue and withdrawal as defeat . They had two purposes in the Iraq/Afghanistan war and let's face it the who whole WMD and 'war on terror' was a smoke screen.. one was to control the oil prices to sell to China and curb their progress and two to have a grip on the gas pipe line that runs from the countries above Afghanistan through afghanistan and when the taliban refused of course they instantly became (the laundry list of things they tote in the media daily). They've accomplished neither nor have they curbed on the Islam appeal and China has already sent out its shuttles to outer space and worked on its military might.. and the best the U.S can do is control areas like Qatar and Bahrain and not through war...

When you look at the big picture, you'll discover that in the scheme of things with or without the despots Allah's plan reigns supreme..

feel free to comment..

:w:

[Abz2000]

i feel that those in it for the cash are definitely winning in a worldly sense - the longer the war continues, the more they make, they've even had israeli agents get caught shooting at american soldiers and british soldiers shoot at iraqi police - all via false flag:



in the military sense, i believe the main objective is not oil, but that oil is just a stepping stone - it is about control, and having military bases in the region ready to attack at any time,
the main object is to ensure there is little resistance and immediate strike capability in anticipationt of Armageddon, the final Jihad (they study the scriptures more than we do).

they are surrounding the whole area and if you look at the strategic locations and the nations they pay most attention to - you'll find it's all based around palestine.

[جوري]

in the military sense, i believe the main objective is not oil, but that oil is just a stepping stone - it is about control, and having military bases in the region ready to attack at any time,

Yup and they've been successful at neither. Even the Iraqi Christians don't like the American brand of evangelism, they believe them to be heretics!
What they managed were a few minor victories, ruining the infrastructure and loss of life, it has done the same thing to them, loss of life and economic instability and an over all war fatigue. What it has done to us was wake the ummah and an all over Islamic revival and a more intense hatred toward them..
What we really should worry about aren't the war torn regions. War teaches people things that can't be taught in the effete decadent style of the gulf regions.
It's about oil, bases and destruction of Islam... and they have been successful at none of those, in fact it is backfiring on them every which way..

We should learn something from the chinese though.. they have let dogs and lions have their fun while they secretly built and progressed!

:w:

[Abz2000]

and Allah is the best of planners, they do all this out of fear of a united Islamic state, which they feel will prevent them achieving world domination, and the only reason why it begins happening is because of it.
they become an unwitting tool in the process,
i came back to the faith myself after seeing the world begin to change and getting more and more angry.
sad part is that our brothers and sisters suffer.

[جوري]

and Allah is the best of planners, they do all this out of fear of a united Islamic state, and the only reason why it begins happening is because of it.
they become a tool in the process,
sad part is that our brothers and sisters suffer.

This world is a prison to the believer indeed..

[Salahudeen]

and Allah is the best of planners, they do all this out of fear of a united Islamic state, which they feel will prevent them achieving world domination, and the only reason why it begins happening is because of it.
they become an unwitting tool in the process,
i came back to the faith myself after seeing the world begin to change and getting more and more angry.
sad part is that our brothers and sisters suffer.

Puppets and they don't even realize it, they're playing their part in a grand plan that will eventually come together with Isa descending and killing ad dajaal.