What was the motivation for Libyans to turn against Gadaffi?

[Salahudeen]

Having heard how good life was in Libya under Gadaffi, I'm trying to understand why the Libyan people rebelled against him, why were they unhappy with him when he provided such things such as free electricity, interest free loans, 60k for newly married couples to buy a home etc. I previously thought it to be a situation like Egpyt where the people were poor and the leader was living a wealthy life but Libya wasn't like that so I fail to see why they were rebelling against him when he provided them with such great wealth. Anyone know?

Also I heard the rebels established a new bank that's owned by Rothschild does anyone know if that's true?

['Aleena]

:sl:
I was wondering the same. The other day I read in the newspaper that he invested some $150bn in impoverished African nations. Many consider him an anti-imperialist martyr.

['Aleena]

Check this out http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...=international

[Maryan0]

1.He was in power for far too long and like many leaders of the Arab world wanted to hand over power to one of his sons?
2.When his people were protesting he used excessive force, too many people died. He really should have stepped down with dignity but then again he said he was going to die in Libya and he did.
Having said that, Ghaddafi wasnt the worst of them and I'm very disgusted by the way he was killed and the abuse he was subjected to before it. He should have been put on trial. Perhaps in his horrible and humiliating death some of his sins will be taken away. I have mixed feelings on him he was a despot who tortured and killed many but he also brought Libya to where it is today, the richest nation in Africa with one of the highest standards of living.
Salam

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[.iman.]

1.He was in power for far too long and like many leaders of the Arab world wanted to hand over power to one of his sons?
2.When his people were protesting he used excessive force, too many people died. He really should have stepped down with dignity but then again he said he was going to die in Libya and he did.
Having said that, Ghaddafi wasnt the worst of them and I'm very disgusted by the way he was killed and the abuse he was subjected to before it. He should have been put on trial. Perhaps in his horrible and humiliating death some of his sins will be taken away. I have mixed feelings on him he was a despot who tortured and killed many but he also brought Libya to where it is today, the richest nation in Africa with one of the highest standards of living.
Salam

I completely agree with this. It is true the horrible things that the had done to the protesters, there is no denying that or defending him, but the way that he was killed was equally as bad. I think that he should have had a trial as well.

I am really confused about where I stand on this issue because I live in the West, I only saw the terrible things he had done during the revolts, and of course no news coverage about the good things he had done. The media portrayed him as a mentally unstable individual who did nothing but oppress his people from day one. I am also skeptical about all of these positive things he did because it wasn't until AFTER he was killed that people started to talk about it - why weren't they pointing this out BEFORE? I also never know which news sources to trust - especially in the US, I think they are ALL liars!

[Who Am I?]

:sl:

What I really disagree with about the whole thing is the West's involvement in the Libyan Revolution. The West should have stayed out of it. It was a purely internal affair, Libyans vs Libyans, and no other nation should have become involved. I don't see where the West should get involved in the affairs of another sovereign nation simply because they can.

If the US was to break out in another civil war, I wouldn't want Canada to intervene "just because it can". This is essentially what happened in Libya.

To me, this is just another example of Western imperialism in the Muslim world. They can gloss it up as a "glorious freedom movement" all they want, but it's just another land grab for oil.

[Salahudeen]

I completely agree with this. It is true the horrible things that the had done to the protesters, there is no denying that or defending him, but the way that he was killed was equally as bad. I think that he should have had a trial as well.

I am really confused about where I stand on this issue because I live in the West, I only saw the terrible things he had done during the revolts, and of course no news coverage about the good things he had done. The media portrayed him as a mentally unstable individual who did nothing but oppress his people from day one. I am also skeptical about all of these positive things he did because it wasn't until AFTER he was killed that people started to talk about it - why weren't they pointing this out BEFORE? I also never know which news sources to trust - especially in the US, I think they are ALL liars!

Yeah it's sad horrible things had to be done to the protesters but what exactly was their reason for protesting? In the 40 years he was in power what did he do to the libyan people that made them want to protest?

Yes I only saw negative news coverage too, you're spot on with how the media portrayed him, I thought his people were poor while he was living life like a king so I was kinda surprised when I found out about all the benefits that the Libyan people enjoyed under his leadership, I would've actually wanted to live in Libya if they really had all those benefits.

I don't understand what you mean when you say "why weren't they pointing this out before", who are you referring to, the news agencies? If so the news agencies had an agenda I suspect. They still haven't mentioned the good quality of life people in Libya enjoyed, if you watch the news you'd think he was a greedy guy who kept all the wealth for himself and that's why his people revolted but when you learn about what the Libyan people had then you realize that isn't the case so then arises the question what exactly was their grievance :hmm:

I don't think being in power far too long is a good enough reason to revolt like they did, if they were being provided with good life styles from the government then why protest against someone's leadership as long as he's ensuring the people have good life styles and keeping their interests at heart.

[Salahudeen]

:sl:

What I really disagree with about the whole thing is the West's involvement in the Libyan Revolution. The West should have stayed out of it. It was a purely internal affair, Libyans vs Libyans, and no other nation should have become involved. I don't see where the West should get involved in the affairs of another sovereign nation simply because they can.

If the US was to break out in another civil war, I wouldn't want Canada to intervene "just because it can". This is essentially what happened in Libya.

To me, this is just another example of Western imperialism in the Muslim world. They can gloss it up as a "glorious freedom movement" all they want, but it's just another land grab for oil.

You know Nato's involvement was initially to preserve the life of the rebel's and stop Gadaffi's men from killing them. That was the initial agreement but it changed and Nato became the air force for the protesters and aided their advances. This isn't what all the other nations agreed to when the resolution was passed through.

[Who Am I?]

You know Nato's involvement was initially to preserve the life of the rebel's and stop Gadaffi's men from killing them. That was the initial agreement but it changed and Nato became the air force for the protesters and aided their advances. This isn't what all the other nations agreed to when the resolution was passed through.

*sarcasm mode on* What, you mean the West broke the terms of the agreement? Well there's a shocker... *sarcasm mode off*

[.iman.]

I saw this posted on another forum from a Libyan sister, this seems to clarify many of the rumors.

Nizar Mhani (Niz Ben-Essa) of the Free Generation Movement responds to common misconceptions relating to the Gaddafi regime (the bolded inaccurate statements are being circulated via email forward). Follow FGMovement on Facebook, and FGMovement on Twitter.

While there are no excuses for the way Gaddafi was treated in the videos posted publicly, we want to stress that those who have done this were not acting on behalf of the NTC nor the interim government. They were fighters who were swept in a moment of intense fighting, and after 8 long months of defending themselves, having lost friends and family. A full investigation of the circumstances of what happened has been officially launched and we hope its findings will be made public as soon as possible. Those acts don't represent the majority of Libyans and don't represent Islamic or Libyan traditional values.

There are a lot of people defending Muammer Gaddafi and his regime by stating living conditions and infrastructure in Libya was world class, and all the people in the country enjoyed unimaginable wealth. This is not true. The Gaddafi regime was rife with corruption and deception. Who you know was more important than who you were as a person, with many basic services being only available to the highest bidders.


There are no electricity bills in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
Categorically untrue. Despite poor electricity infrastructure and poor coverage of electricity lines, even in the Capital, Libyan home owners pay monthly/quarterly (area dependant) electricity bills based on meter readings. Electricity is cut off in instances of unpaid bills. Reconnection upon payment is not instant. The electric infrastructure is weak and some areas of Libya do not have electricity available at all.

There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
Categorically untrue. Banks all over Libya have been giving out loans for years and years. There is a percentage rate charge on all loans, which is comparable to an interest rate, but in the spirit of ‘islamic ethics’ it is not called interest, it is called an ‘Administrative Expense’ – Masareef Edareeya.

A House is considered a human right in Libya ¬ Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi¹s father has died while he, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.
Gaddafi abused this human right as much as he did other basic rights. It is well known in Libya that political opponents and successful business men/women had their homes confiscated and handed over to regime members, usually rewards for Free Officers – Dubat A7rar. Many farms and homes and businesses were confiscated during three infamous phases of Libyas dictatorial history:* 1969 – The dreaded Green Revolution. Free Officers were rewarded land, homes, and farms that sometimes belonged to other people and the original owners were not compensated or asked if this was ok.
* Late 70’s - The introduction of the law Albayt le Sakinehee – The Home Belongs to its Dwellers. As this law was passed overnight, thousands of homeowners instantly lost their homes, as tenants (those renting the homes) claimed ownership on account of being the ‘dwellers’. The law applied to homes, farms, shops, etc.
* 90’s - The introduction of Purification Committees (Lejnat al Tatheer). This committee ran by the widely know slogan, ‘Min ayna laka hada?’ – “From where did you obtain this?”, a form of ultra-socialism where people’s possessions, including homes and businesses, were confiscated if seen to be ‘surplus to requirement’ or contributing to a ‘monopoly’.Regarding Gaddafis ‘vow’: While Gaddafi waited for ‘everyone in Libya’ to be housed, he himself lived in a sprawling 6km square compound in the centre of the capital which was home to state of the art security and an underground network of rooms and ultramodern bunkers. He also had a vast and well known farm on Airport Road in Tripoli. This, just in the capital.

All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
This is a well known rumour and a common joke in Libya. Whilst it may have been passed as official legislation, I know of not a single family who has been given this grant. The backbreaking bureaucracy associated with such grants and loans make them more or less impossible to obtain.

Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
Education and Health Care – Free does not mean adequate. It is well known that Libya’s standard of health care is nothing short of appalling. It is widely known that the majority of Libyans seeking medical care leave for neighbouring countries for treatment. Our Education system is no better. It is outdated, teachers are underpaid and under-trained and libraries are largely non-existent. The syllabus was constantly being revised and reviewed under direct instruction from the former regime e.g. banning English, changing Quranic verses, etc.
It is commonly said that Libyans would be happy to forfeit their ‘free health care’ and pay for a National Health Service if it was up to the required standard.

Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and Livestock to kick- start their farms all for free.
This has never happened, in addition to this many farms and homes have been confiscated by the government to build railroads, The Great Man Made River and civil roads.
The owners of the land were only compensated if there was a covered structure on the land as the Gaddafi regime legally owned any land and the people were only allowed to build on it. When there was compensation offered it was nowhere near the actual value of the property and many waited years to receive anything if at all. This system was also rife with corruption many residents told they had to pay a bribe to receive what little they were given.

If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it not only free but they get $2, 300/month accommodation and car allowance.
Categorically untrue. If this was the case, the former regime would have been in receipt of 6 million application forms – one for every man, women and child who ‘cannot find education or medical facilities they need’. This grant does not exist for the mainstream public. There is anectdotal evidence of some medical grants being given but again, the system was corrupt and opaque.

In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government pays 50% of the price. ‎The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
There is no truth to the former Gaddafi regime paying 50% of the value of a new car. Whilst the price of fuel is indeed cheap, the quality of roads, the accuracy and availability of road signs, the presence of road traffic police, and all other transport infrastructure is of abysmal standard.
The absence of an integrated and functional public transport system means that people are reliant on their cars for all movement and might end up paying more on fuel than our neighbours around the Mediterranean basin.

Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion now frozen globally.
Whilst our sovereign wealth is undeniable, none of it was spent on the people of Libya nor the infrastructure of the country. Basic amenities, services, and state infrastructure are either absent or of appalling standard.
The availability of money is not tantamount to wealth or prosperity. The Arabs have a saying about Libya – “A rich nation of poor inhabitants.”

If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
Categorically untrue. Even basic wages are sometimes unpaid for months, for those lucky enough to be employed. Welfare for the unemployed is non-existent.

A portion of Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
No basis to this claim as no such case can be found.

A mother who gave birth to a child receive US $5 ,000
Categorically untrue. There is a Child Benefit welfare payment in Libya – it is roughly 15-20 Libyan Dinars a month per child. No Libyan citizen was given foreign currency as compensation.

40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
Bread was subsidized by the state. Whilst the price varies (marginally) from shop to shop, bread usually costs ¼ dinars for 10 baguettes (small) or roughly 500grams per dinar.

25% of Libyans have a university degree
The absence of a comprehensive selection process and a corrupt entry protocol means that universities in Libya are grossly over populated and over subscribed, despite limited facilities. This results in an over inflated number of graduates, but not necessarily an adequate level of employability. There are thousands of students studying foundation year medicine in Tripoli alone.

Gaddafi carried out the world¹s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available.
The Jury is still out on this. The project has indeed supplied water to many towns and cities around Libya, but the cost is thought to be as stratastrophic as the time it took to complete this. Further, decades of an absence of appropriate licensing, monitoring and control has meant that wells were dug for every home, putting immense pressure on Libya’s natural and naturally replenishable water sources. This resulted in the increase of salinity in local water reserves, which lead to the need for an expansive project such as the Man Made River.

[Abz2000]

it is true that he was not a fully islam orientated leader and he was a military guy who resorted to military methods quickly,
but the lies of the lamestream media are shocking - independent news sites on the net have always said good things about him, i don't watch tv, the only use for it is the kids' nintendo wii - the tv antenna is pulled off.

the lamestream media's presstitutes tried at first to pretend that most libyans were against him, then when nato was about to pounce, around 1.7 million libyans came out in a pro-Gaddafi rally in tripoli, that's almost a third of all libyans.




the NATO presstitutes have NEVER been able to muster such a large anti-Gaddafi rally in libya even after the coup.
so they resort to broadcasting images of indian flags from india:

hit 4 - or scroll to 30 seconds:


this parody captures the desperation of the western leaders:



and the rebels are still searching bags for "pro-Gaddafi sympathies":

press 6 - or scroll manually to 1 minute:

[Perseveranze]

I saw this posted on another forum from a Libyan sister, this seems to clarify many of the rumors.

Nizar Mhani (Niz Ben-Essa) of the Free Generation Movement responds to common misconceptions relating to the Gaddafi regime (the bolded inaccurate statements are being circulated via email forward). Follow FGMovement on Facebook, and FGMovement on Twitter.

While there are no excuses for the way Gaddafi was treated in the videos posted publicly, we want to stress that those who have done this were not acting on behalf of the NTC nor the interim government. They were fighters who were swept in a moment of intense fighting, and after 8 long months of defending themselves, having lost friends and family. A full investigation of the circumstances of what happened has been officially launched and we hope its findings will be made public as soon as possible. Those acts don't represent the majority of Libyans and don't represent Islamic or Libyan traditional values.

There are a lot of people defending Muammer Gaddafi and his regime by stating living conditions and infrastructure in Libya was world class, and all the people in the country enjoyed unimaginable wealth. This is not true. The Gaddafi regime was rife with corruption and deception. Who you know was more important than who you were as a person, with many basic services being only available to the highest bidders.


There are no electricity bills in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
Categorically untrue. Despite poor electricity infrastructure and poor coverage of electricity lines, even in the Capital, Libyan home owners pay monthly/quarterly (area dependant) electricity bills based on meter readings. Electricity is cut off in instances of unpaid bills. Reconnection upon payment is not instant. The electric infrastructure is weak and some areas of Libya do not have electricity available at all.

There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
Categorically untrue. Banks all over Libya have been giving out loans for years and years. There is a percentage rate charge on all loans, which is comparable to an interest rate, but in the spirit of ‘islamic ethics’ it is not called interest, it is called an ‘Administrative Expense’ – Masareef Edareeya.

A House is considered a human right in Libya ¬ Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi¹s father has died while he, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.
Gaddafi abused this human right as much as he did other basic rights. It is well known in Libya that political opponents and successful business men/women had their homes confiscated and handed over to regime members, usually rewards for Free Officers – Dubat A7rar. Many farms and homes and businesses were confiscated during three infamous phases of Libyas dictatorial history:* 1969 – The dreaded Green Revolution. Free Officers were rewarded land, homes, and farms that sometimes belonged to other people and the original owners were not compensated or asked if this was ok.
* Late 70’s - The introduction of the law Albayt le Sakinehee – The Home Belongs to its Dwellers. As this law was passed overnight, thousands of homeowners instantly lost their homes, as tenants (those renting the homes) claimed ownership on account of being the ‘dwellers’. The law applied to homes, farms, shops, etc.
* 90’s - The introduction of Purification Committees (Lejnat al Tatheer). This committee ran by the widely know slogan, ‘Min ayna laka hada?’ – “From where did you obtain this?”, a form of ultra-socialism where people’s possessions, including homes and businesses, were confiscated if seen to be ‘surplus to requirement’ or contributing to a ‘monopoly’.Regarding Gaddafis ‘vow’: While Gaddafi waited for ‘everyone in Libya’ to be housed, he himself lived in a sprawling 6km square compound in the centre of the capital which was home to state of the art security and an underground network of rooms and ultramodern bunkers. He also had a vast and well known farm on Airport Road in Tripoli. This, just in the capital.

All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
This is a well known rumour and a common joke in Libya. Whilst it may have been passed as official legislation, I know of not a single family who has been given this grant. The backbreaking bureaucracy associated with such grants and loans make them more or less impossible to obtain.

Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
Education and Health Care – Free does not mean adequate. It is well known that Libya’s standard of health care is nothing short of appalling. It is widely known that the majority of Libyans seeking medical care leave for neighbouring countries for treatment. Our Education system is no better. It is outdated, teachers are underpaid and under-trained and libraries are largely non-existent. The syllabus was constantly being revised and reviewed under direct instruction from the former regime e.g. banning English, changing Quranic verses, etc.
It is commonly said that Libyans would be happy to forfeit their ‘free health care’ and pay for a National Health Service if it was up to the required standard.

Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and Livestock to kick- start their farms all for free.
This has never happened, in addition to this many farms and homes have been confiscated by the government to build railroads, The Great Man Made River and civil roads.
The owners of the land were only compensated if there was a covered structure on the land as the Gaddafi regime legally owned any land and the people were only allowed to build on it. When there was compensation offered it was nowhere near the actual value of the property and many waited years to receive anything if at all. This system was also rife with corruption many residents told they had to pay a bribe to receive what little they were given.

If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it not only free but they get $2, 300/month accommodation and car allowance.
Categorically untrue. If this was the case, the former regime would have been in receipt of 6 million application forms – one for every man, women and child who ‘cannot find education or medical facilities they need’. This grant does not exist for the mainstream public. There is anectdotal evidence of some medical grants being given but again, the system was corrupt and opaque.

In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government pays 50% of the price. ‎The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
There is no truth to the former Gaddafi regime paying 50% of the value of a new car. Whilst the price of fuel is indeed cheap, the quality of roads, the accuracy and availability of road signs, the presence of road traffic police, and all other transport infrastructure is of abysmal standard.
The absence of an integrated and functional public transport system means that people are reliant on their cars for all movement and might end up paying more on fuel than our neighbours around the Mediterranean basin.

Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion now frozen globally.
Whilst our sovereign wealth is undeniable, none of it was spent on the people of Libya nor the infrastructure of the country. Basic amenities, services, and state infrastructure are either absent or of appalling standard.
The availability of money is not tantamount to wealth or prosperity. The Arabs have a saying about Libya – “A rich nation of poor inhabitants.”

If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
Categorically untrue. Even basic wages are sometimes unpaid for months, for those lucky enough to be employed. Welfare for the unemployed is non-existent.

A portion of Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
No basis to this claim as no such case can be found.

A mother who gave birth to a child receive US $5 ,000
Categorically untrue. There is a Child Benefit welfare payment in Libya – it is roughly 15-20 Libyan Dinars a month per child. No Libyan citizen was given foreign currency as compensation.

40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
Bread was subsidized by the state. Whilst the price varies (marginally) from shop to shop, bread usually costs ¼ dinars for 10 baguettes (small) or roughly 500grams per dinar.

25% of Libyans have a university degree
The absence of a comprehensive selection process and a corrupt entry protocol means that universities in Libya are grossly over populated and over subscribed, despite limited facilities. This results in an over inflated number of graduates, but not necessarily an adequate level of employability. There are thousands of students studying foundation year medicine in Tripoli alone.

Gaddafi carried out the world¹s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available.
The Jury is still out on this. The project has indeed supplied water to many towns and cities around Libya, but the cost is thought to be as stratastrophic as the time it took to complete this. Further, decades of an absence of appropriate licensing, monitoring and control has meant that wells were dug for every home, putting immense pressure on Libya’s natural and naturally replenishable water sources. This resulted in the increase of salinity in local water reserves, which lead to the need for an expansive project such as the Man Made River.

This.

The biggest reason to rebel against him (along with his oppression) is due to his kufr beliefs.

Assalamu alaykum


For the ones asking about the reason for the takfeer of Gaddafi



Here are some videos that answer that question:



In the following video he rejects the salat on the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, negates his shafa'ah, and salat al istikhara and Istisqa'.






In this video, he speakes about khilafa after the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam and that everything after the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam's death is not from Islam, and that polygamy is not from Islam, and that the Quran only tells to marry one.






In the following video he calls hijab "the work of the shaytan" :

http://www.safeshare.tv/w/UMoAiiSdBB







In this video he talks about people equally going to the haram, that it is not only for the followers of Muhammad (he doesn't say salat on him since he doesn't believe in it, he calls him by his name "Muhammad", astaghfirullah). He says that it is for all people equally, and not allowing people (regardless if they are Muslim or not) is kufr according to his tafsir of the Quran, and says that the vatican has the right to go do tawaf around kabah.






In this video he compares Hadeeth Qudsi to the Talmud :






In this video shaikh Sulaiman al Bira (Libyan shaikh) speaks about Gaddafi tearing pages from the Quran that speak against the Jews :

http://www.safeshare.tv/w/UsADcecFUo






Shaikh Nasir al Umar about kufr of Gaddafi and the issuing of fatwa on his kufr many years ago:






Shaikh Luhaidan speaks about Gaddafi's kufr statements and him rejecting the sunnah of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and making tahrif of the Quran by saying not to say "Qul Huwa Allah Ahad" but say "Huwa Allahu Ahad" because "Qul" was for the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam !! he also speaks about when he and some other shaikhs went to him in the 70s telling him to make tawbah from his statements, but he continued on his kufr (some of the videos I posted were between 1980 and 2000 :






shaikh Uthman al-Khamis on Gaddafi not being Muslim:





There are other videos but these should suffice.


Note: there is no proof that he repented from these kufr beliefs

[Abz2000]

he was a deviant with regards to Islam - but that's not why nato killed him.
they killed him because he opposed them and especially opposed the zionists - and that's not something abdullah does:

iraq

[esperanza]

I completely agree with this. It is true the horrible things that the had done to the protesters, there is no denying that or defending him, but the way that he was killed was equally as bad. I think that he should have had a trial as well.

I am really confused about where I stand on this issue because I live in the West, I only saw the terrible things he had done during the revolts, and of course no news coverage about the good things he had done. The media portrayed him as a mentally unstable individual who did nothing but oppress his people from day one. I am also skeptical about all of these positive things he did because it wasn't until AFTER he was killed that people started to talk about it - why weren't they pointing this out BEFORE? I also never know which news sources to trust - especially in the US, I think they are ALL liars!

who said noone talked about him before....for years people have complained..but just a word against the regime they an be put away in prison

he has a history of torturing people for just speaking up or being religious or islamists..he would hang people in the street...for minor things,,
just talk to people who left libya many years ago..thye left in fear of thier lives...

he may have done some good things for the country....but he was an evil man.....


and it has been underccovered that even uk and us sent political priosoners to libya for torture


im not wrting to support natos involvement ..yes thye have ulterior motives..but to ask people to see the truth ..how gadaffi treated his people,

[.iman.]

who said noone talked about him before....for years people have complained..but just a word against the regime they an be put away in prison

he has a history of torturing people for just speaking up or being religious or islamists..he would hang people in the street...for minor things,,
just talk to people who left libya many years ago..thye left in fear of thier lives...

he may have done some good things for the country....but he was an evil man.....


and it has been underccovered that even uk and us sent political priosoners to libya for torture


im not wrting to support natos involvement ..yes thye have ulterior motives..but to ask people to see the truth ..how gadaffi treated his people,

right sister, I agree with you about the bad things that have happened under his rule. What I was trying to ask was if he was such a good leader, why weren't people talking about the positive things he had done for his country? I was being skeptical about why Libyans would rebel against someone who was supposedly so good to them. I think I had good reason for being skeptical because now I see that the negatives outweighed the positives and the people had every reason to rebel against him, and that his regime was based upon empty lies.

[Abz2000]

STILL - he was straightforward about who he was and didn't mince words: