format_quote Originally Posted by
schpoogie
That is true, I'm not letting the beautiful verses of the Bible be my only reason for having faith in it. But also, love is a really important thing to me, and the New Testament just blows me away with what it says.
What does it say? According to Christians, it says that the first man committed a sin, and that all of mankind is tainted with that sin, and that God could not/did not forgive him, so made another man suffer and die thousands of years later for the mistakes of the first man and for all mankind's sins, sins that the man who was made to die himself did not commit.
This does not paint the picture of a loving, forgiving God as Christians like to trumpet, but an unloving, unforgiving, unjust God, who lacked the power to forgive without having to make a sacrifice.
Now compare the above with this:
While the Christian concept of God seems to be that God is unjust and unforgiving, and lacking in power, the Islamic concept of God, is that He is Most Just, and He is Forgiving, Merciful for all who repent sincerely, forgiving them at will, from the very first people on earth, to all those who will ever live:
Sahih International
They said, "Our Lord, we have wronged ourselves, and if You do not forgive us and have mercy upon us, we will surely be among the losers." (7:23)
Sahih International
Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful. (2:37)
Sahih International
Then his Lord chose him and turned to him in forgiveness and guided [him]. (20:122)
Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) repented sincerely, so God forgave him. As simple as that. No sacrifice needed.
I find Islam to be the only religion that recognises Allah's power to forgive with just His will. All other religions seem to claim that forgiveness requires a purchase price and if we can't pay it, somebody else has to pay it on our behalf.
In Islam, forgiveness comes without a purchase price or sacrifice. We do not/can not: buy, sacrifice for, earn or steal it. It comes freely when we sincerely ask for forgiveness and truly repent, accepting Allaah's will. (as stated by Br Woodrow)
format_quote Originally Posted by
schpoogie
I don't understand why all the prophets listed in the Quran are Israelites
All of them are not. Prophets Saalih and Hud (peace be upon them both) are non-israelite prophets.
And remember the Israelite line of Prophets only started through Israil (Prophet Jacob) peace be upon him via Isaac (peace be upon him), so all the Prophets before that are non-israelite; Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham Lot, etc (peace be upon them all).
format_quote Originally Posted by
schpoogie
I understand that he claimed heritage from Ishmael, Abraham's 1st son, but it was through the line of Isaac that God brought about the Prophets.
That implies that Christians reject Ishmael (peace be upon him) as a Prophet, while Muslims do not reject any of the Prophets God sent, nor defame their characters.
And mention in the Book, Ishmael. Indeed, he was true to his promise, and he was a messenger and a prophet.
And he used to enjoin on his people prayer and almsgiving and was to his Lord, pleasing. (Translation of Qur'an 19:54-55)
format_quote Originally Posted by
schpoogie
I said that all the prophets came from the line of Isaac, not Ishmael
As above, you are forgetting about all the prophets that came before, whereas Muslims accept all prophets, the ones we've been told about and their stories told to us, and the ones we don't know about and haven't been told about as well.
Say (O Muslims): "We believe in Allah, and that which has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the descendants, and what was given to to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And to Him we have submitted (in Islam).." (Holy Qur'an 2:136).
The Qur'an does not say that all Prophets were descended from the line of Isaac (peace be upon him):
And when Abraham and Ishmael were raising the foundations of the House, (saying): Our Lord! Accept from us (this duty). Lo! You, only You, are the Hearer, the Knower.
Our Lord, and make us Muslims [in submission] to You and from our descendants a Muslim nation [in submission] to You. And show us our rites and accept our repentance. Indeed, You are the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.
Our Lord! And raise up in their midst a messenger from among them who shall recite unto them Your revelations, and shall instruct them in the Scripture and in wisdom and shall make them grow. Lo! You, only You, are the Mighty, Wise. (2:127-129)
And Allah answered that prayer:
Just as We have sent among you a messenger from yourselves reciting to you Our verses and purifying you and teaching you the Book and wisdom and teaching you that which you did not know. (2:151)
And, actually, God tells Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) in the Bible that there will come a non-israelite prophet, specifically an ishmaelite prophet, who people have to follow:
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
like unto thee,
and I will put my words in his mouth;
and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." (Deuteronomy.18:18).
First thing is "a prophet from among their brethren", note that it does not say "from among them" but "from among their brethren". Who are the brethren of the israelites? The ishmaelites! If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham (peace be upon them all), then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. So God is telling you that a Prophet will come, who is a descendent of Ishmael (peace be upon him).
Next: "Like unto thee".
Some say the verses refer to Jesus (peace be upon him) but let's put that to the test and examine the likes:
Both Moses (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh) had a mother and father, Jesus (pbuh) did not.
Both Moses (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh) had a normal birth, Jesus (pbuh) did not.
Both Moses (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh) married and had children, Jesus (pbuh) did not.
Both Moses (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh) were accepted by their people in their lifetime, while Jesus (pbuh) on the whole was not accepted by the Jews he was sent to.
Both Moses (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh) died natural deaths, Jesus (pbuh) did not.
And the list goes on...
So the Prophet like unto Moses (peace be upon him) is Muhammad (peace be upon him).
Next:"And I will put my words into his mouth"
History tells us that Muhummad (pbuh) was forty years of age. He was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Mecca. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue: 'Iqra'' which means Read! or Proclaim! or Recite! Muhummed (pbuh) was terrified and in his bewilderment replied that he was not learned! The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the third time the angel continues.
Now Muhummad (pbuh) grasps what was required of him was to repeat! to rehearse! And he repeats the words as they were put into his mouth:
"Read! In the name of your Lord and Cherisher, who created-
Created man, from a clinging substance:
Read! And thy Lord is most bountiful,-
He who taught (the use of) the pen,
Taught man that which he knew not".
(Holy Qur'an 96:1-5)
These are the first five verses which were revealed to Prophet Muhummad (peace be upon him) which now occupy the beginning of the 96th chapter of the Holy Qur'an.
"If anyone does not listen to
my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account." (Deuteronomy 18:19)
113 chapters of the Qur'an as revealed by Allah to, and spoken by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) all begin with "
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful." God's words, spoken by the Prophet, in His name. With this formula in fact, Muslims begin every lawful act. And in the first revelation to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), mentioned above, what were the words that came immediately after Read? Have a look... "in the name of your Lord."
The Prophecy is fulfilled in Prophet Muhummad (peace be upon him) to the letter.
"If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name,
I myself will call him to account." (Deuteronomy 18:19)
So God is telling you in the Bible to believe in prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). And I invite you to do so.
Sahih International
O Mankind, the Messenger has come to you with the truth from your Lord, so believe; it is better for you. But if you disbelieve - then indeed, to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and earth. And ever is Allah Knowing and Wise. (4:70)
Sahih International
Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided. (7:158)
Peace.