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Roasted Cashew
12-26-2011, 10:46 AM
"ABUJA (Reuters) - Islamist militants set off bombs across Nigeria on Christmas Day - three targeting churches including one that killed at least 27 people - raising fears that they are trying to ignite sectarian civil war.
The Boko Haram Islamist sect, which aims to impose sharia law across the country, claimed responsibility for the three church bombs, the second Christmas in a row the group has caused mass carnage with deadly bombings of churches. Security forces also blamed the sect for two other blasts in the north.
St Theresa's Catholic Church in Madala, a satellite town about 40 km (25 miles) from the center of the capital Abuja, was packed when the bomb exploded just outside...."


This is just plain horrible.:raging:

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/islamists-kill...76.htmlhttp://
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Ramadhan
12-26-2011, 01:52 PM
It is horrible.

Even in war muslims are commanded to spare churches and places of worships.
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Roasted Cashew
12-26-2011, 02:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ramadhan
It is horrible.

Even in war muslims are commanded to spare churches and places of worships.
Exactly...Why are these extremists hell bent on destroying Islam. They are but a disgrace and their ultimate abode is hell, Insha'Allah.
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User29123
12-27-2011, 03:07 PM
How do we know its true?
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Marina-Aisha
12-27-2011, 03:24 PM
i heard this on sky news, cant believe it...i dont understand how people could do such evil acts!
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ardianto
12-27-2011, 03:56 PM
Boko Haram ?

I just know they still exist. I remember them as group that wanted to eliminate every 'education' that against Qur'an and sunah. They force people to believe that the earth is flat because, according to them, Qur'an says the earth is flat.
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Roasted Cashew
12-27-2011, 04:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by PoweredByGoogle
How do we know its true?
Unless you have Boko Haram's leader on speed dial, respectable news agencies are our only source..
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User29123
12-27-2011, 05:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by marina28
i heard this on sky news, cant believe it...i dont understand how people could do such evil acts!
Sky News is full of .......... The Media will always do something to blame Islam, it happens every Xmas and New Years day First of January 2011 there was an explosion in Egypt done by we know who, Al-Qadea..
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Roasted Cashew
12-27-2011, 05:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by PoweredByGoogle
Sky News is full of .......... The Media will always do something to blame Islam, it happens every Xmas and New Years day First of January there was an explosion in Egypt done by we know who, Al-Qadea..
It is true that media always exaggerates and sensationalizes news for ratings or to serve their biased agenda but to say that they come up with stories from scratch to defame Islam is not true either. These Muslim extremists/terrorists do enough atrocities to meet the demand of these media outlets..
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Abz2000
12-27-2011, 06:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
They force people to believe that the earth is flat because, according to them, Qur'an says the earth is flat.
that's not true, i read the statement when it was made, they asked the guy if he would believe the earth was flat if the Quran said it, he replied that if the Quran said it he would,
this is a blatant twisting of the facts, if the Quran told me something then i'd believe it, if it was proven untrue, then i have the option of saying the Quran is false,
my kafir brother asked me the same thing, and without going into long winded arguments, i said the same thing to shut him up.
all it means is that i put more stock in what the Quran says,

when abu jahl asked Abu Bakr (ra) if he believed that that the Prophet (pbuh) had gone to Jerusalem and back in one night, he replied: if he said it, then it's true.

secondly, this attack doesn't make any sense, firstly it's against the rules of engagement in Islam, places of worship of the people of the book are not to be touched.
A real Islamic group could not do it in the name of Islam.

and since it's forbidden, one would have to look at the political gain and again it doesn't make any sense, because it is a way of driving the people of the book away from Islam at a sensitive time.

the question any murder investigator would ask is "cui bono"

if one looks into the counter insurgency methods employed by the colonialists from ages back, one would see that this is a normal method of demonizing movements that are gaining popular support among the populace, and it seems to happen on a regular basis,
the fbi admitted to having urged a clueless patsy to "blow up a christmas tree" last year and they even made the fake bomb for him.

this video i put together for you last year should refresh the mind:



and here's more:
http://www.infowars.com/the-false-flags-that-stole-christmas/

peace
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GuestFellow
12-27-2011, 06:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by PoweredByGoogle
How do we know its true?
We can say that about pretty much everything we hear on the news.
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Abz2000
12-27-2011, 06:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew
It is true that media always exaggerates and sensationalizes news for ratings or to serve their biased agenda but to say that they come up with stories from scratch to defame Islam is not true either.
yup, they do come out with fake stories from scratch, all this happened in a film studio and was controlled by cnn:

here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z0VxWZszyg
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جوري
12-27-2011, 06:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
We can say that about pretty much everything we hear on the news.
Which is precisely why newspapers are becoming extinct and corporate news agencies are losing audience .. Youtube and other independent sources have largely replaced .. When Corporate media starts giving opinions and dispenses with passive transmission of the news can many of us take some of these events with other than a grain of salt.. If it did happen then Islam doesn't condone it and their ideology is to be corrected.. but the fact is anyone can do anything and claim they're Muslims.. it is a great business..

________

It is hard to imagine amidst the omnipresence of discourse currently on Islam that a mere three decades ago, Islam had been a marginal concern situated on the periphery of western consciousness.
If ever encountered in press reports during the cold war, it would most likely have been in the figure of the "mujahideen" confronting the Empire of Evil in Afghanistan. Islam appeared as a benign ally of the forces of freedom camped in New York and London.
What finally brought it to the heart of Euro-American preoccupations were the events that occured on 9/11.
Islam became a local and globalised issue at once, transmitted in countless daily images across the globe.
Since then, rarely does a day go by without hearing, reading, or watching reports of a terrifying Muslim-related event. The presence of Muslim minorities within western capitals has further complicated things, aggravating the intricate interplay of the local and the global.
Fears of a perpetual Muslim danger overlapped with deep-seated fears of immigrants, aliens, and strangers.
Explicating the truth
Coverage of Islam has turned into an industry specialising in the engineering of images, scenes, and messages.
In a globalised world governed by the power of the image, the question is no longer what has sparked this event or that incident and how it has unfolded on the ground, but how it gets captured by the camera and reported to viewers, listeners, and readers at home.
Some might argue, that the media merely reports what is already in existence. However things are not so straightforward in the real world. For the lens is neither neutral nor objective.
It is subject to a set of pre-defined choices and calculations that decide what we see and do not see, know and do not know.
The media is not a mirror reflecting what is out there. Its role is not simple, passive transmission, but active creation, shaping, and manufacturing, through a lengthy process of selection, filtering, interpretation, and editing.
The hidden arms that hold the reins of our media - the giant news corporations and their masters - are not benign charities driven by the love of humanity.
Paradigms of dissemination
Of the 57 countries in the vast geographic and cultural expanse known as the Muslim world, some are rich, others poor; some royal, others republican; some conservative, others liberal; some stable, others less so; some where women preside over the state, others that deny them the right to vote; some that oppress in the name of religion, others that do so in the name of secularism...etc
But this strikingly varied mosaic is absent from mainstream coverage of the subject. What is compound, complex, diverse, and multi-faceted turns into a plain surface without depth, reduced to a narrow set of narratives about blood-thirsty terrorists, shouting mobs, black turbans, battered wives, and caged daughters.
The Muslim world becomes a silent object that does not speak, but is spoken for, an anonymous background against which stands the reporter dispatched from the metropolis.
S/he is the agent of understanding, the one who deciphers this strange entity's mysterious codes and uncovers its secrets for us; the one who gives it meaning, truth and order.
Nowhere is this will to superficiality and reductionism more evident than in reports of conflicts in the Middle East.
Viewers are given a few minutes during which they watch and hear descriptions of wreckage, smoke, burnt cars, scorched bodies, severed limbs, blood, and wailing widows.
With no attempt to explain the underlying causes and histories of the crises in question, the reports merely compound existing misunderstanding.
The confusion is such that roles are often reversed, with the victim mistaken for the oppressor.
Prisms of perception
This is confirmed by a number of studies, such as the one conducted following the Palestinian Intifada by Greg Philo and Mike Berry of the Glasgow University Group.
The researchers monitored hours of BBC and ITV coverage of the 2002 Intifada, examined 200 news programmes, and interviewed over 800 people about their perceptions of the conflict .
The researchers encountered an alarming level of ignorance and confusion among the viewers, of whom only 9 per cent knew that the "occupied territories" were occupied by Israel, with the majority believing that the Palestinians were the occupiers.
This is hardly surprising given the unbalanced coverage and its tendency to obscure the central truths in the conflict: It does not tell us that over 418 Palestinian villages were destroyed in 1948, that their inhabitants were expelled in their hundreds of thousands, that Israel was largely established by force on 78 per cent of historic Palestine, that since 1967 it has illegally occupied and imposed various forms of military rule on the remaining 22 per cent, or that the majority of Palestinians - over 8 million - live as refugees today.
Reports of the Iraq war do not fare better. The viewer is given the impression that the country's ills are rooted in its people's bloodthirstiness and love of self-mutilation, with one sect and ethnicity vying for the other's destruction.
The Americans emerge as benign mediators whose role consists in imposing order and preventing the different groups from exterminating each other.
The causes of the ongoing state of chaos are increasingly being brushed under the carpet, viz the 150,000 strong army deployed to invade a country hundreds of miles away, the destruction of its infrastructure, systematic demolition of its national collective memory, desecration of its cultural heritage, erection of an ethnic and sectarian based political system, dissolution of its army in the name of "de-baathisation", and arming of one faction against the other - first the Kurdish Peshmarga, then the Shia militias in the name of "confronting the Sunni triangle", and finally al-Anbar's Sunni tribes under the pretext of combating Al Qaeda.
What the media reports do not tell us is that Iraqis continue to suffer not because they are Arabs, Muslims, brown-skinned, or followers of an "inherently violent" religious culture, but because they are the victims of a heartless power game that saw them as little more than insects, worthless creatures to trample on without bothering to count the dead.
The west seems to have created its own "machinery of truth" about Islam, Muslims, Arabs, and the Middle East.
Through it the lens is directed and small narratives are produced and reproduced ad infinitum.
The titles and headlines may vary, but they lead back to a narrow ring of notions that define Muslim society in the eyes of manufacturer and domesticated consumer alike.
These boil down to violence, fanaticism, irrationality, emotiveness, stagnation, subordination, and despotism. They are the pillars of an orthodoxy, which is popularised by the media and bolstered by a complex network of power centres and institutions.
To defy it is to place oneself outside the mainstream and within the margins, alongside outsiders, heretics, and truth monsters.
Soumaya Ghannoushi is a freelance writer specialising in the history of European Perceptions of Islam. Her work has appeared in a number of leading British papers including the Guardian and the Independent.
The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...591745716.html
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Roasted Cashew
12-27-2011, 06:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000
one would see that this is a normal method of demonizing movements that are gaining popular support among the populace
Alright, so you totally ignore the fact that Boko Haram has come out and claimed responsibility for the horrendous attacks...and if they didn't how hard is it to send on of your guys to Al-Jazeera and deny any involvements. I am sure these dirty tactics have been used by the colonists but we too have to open our eyes and accept that there are black sheep among us who commit violent atrocities and crimes against humanity and are a disgrace to Islam. Closing your eyes will not erase this fact. The day my fellow Muslims embrace this harsh reality will be a great day indeed for all of us.
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GuestFellow
12-27-2011, 06:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll

Which is precisely why newspapers are becoming extinct and corporate news agencies are losing audience .. Youtube and other independent sources have largely replaced .. When Corporate media starts giving opinions and dispenses with passive transmission of the news can many of us take some of these events with other than a grain of salt.. If it did happen then Islam doesn't condone it and their ideology is to be corrected.. but the fact inufacturing, through a lengthy process of selection, filtering, interpretation, and editing.
The hidden arms that hold the reins of our media - the giant news corporations and their masters - are not benign charities driven by the love of humanity.
Salaam,

Let me rephrase that...we can pretty much say that about everything we hear/see. You can have a video footage and pictures, but some will claim that it's a fake video/fake picture. I mean the only way we really find out what happened if we were there at the time...

All I can say is that there must be an element of truth in everything we hear/see. The truth may have been distorted/taken of out context, bla bla bla...

Like this article:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15533011

^ I can argue, do we really know the soldier raped the women? Some of us would be quick to accept the article's version of events. Other than the article, what evidence do we really have that the soldier raped the women? The women may have been lying. Maybe the whole incident may have been fabricated. :skeleton:


^ That's just an example...though it's not a good one lol.
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Roasted Cashew
12-27-2011, 06:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000
yup, they do come out with fake stories from scratch, all this happened in a film studio and was controlled by cnn:

here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z0VxWZszyg

Thanks for sharing...but how does this story defame Islam?..Such skits to save cost of travelling were very common back then I guess and were not only used my western media alone.
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GuestFellow
12-27-2011, 06:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew
Alright, so you totally ignore the fact that Boko Haram has come out and claimed responsibility for the horrendous attacks...and if they didn't how hard is it to send on of your guys to Al-Jazeera and deny any involvements. I am sure these dirty tactics have been used by the colonists but we too have to open our eyes and accept that there are black sheep among us who commit violent atrocities and crimes against humanity and are a disgrace to Islam. Closing your eyes will not erase this fact. They day my fellow Muslims embrace this harsh reality will be a great day indeed for all of us.
Salaam,

Who knows, Boko Haram is claiming responsibility for the attacks in order to cause fear, when really it could have been another terror group. It could be a non-Muslim in disguise as a Muslim to make Muslims look bad. It could be a Muslim working with the CIA to cause instability and make Muslims look bad. It's possible the entire incident had never taken place and just fabricated by all the governments and the media for reasons to make Muslims look bad.

^ I can go on forever.
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Roasted Cashew
12-27-2011, 06:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
Salaam,

Who knows, Boko Haram is claiming responsibility for the attacks in order to cause fear, when really it could have been another terror group. It could be a non-Muslim in disguise as a Muslim to make Muslims look bad. It could be a Muslim working with the CIA to cause instability and make Muslims look bad. It's possible the entire incident had never taken place and just fabricated by all the governments and the media for reasons to make Muslims look bad.

^ I can go on forever.

haha..;D good one..(I assume you were being sarcastic there)
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جوري
12-27-2011, 06:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
Other than the article, what evidence do we really have that the soldier raped the women? The women may have been lying. Maybe the whole incident may have been fabricated.
We don't hence certain things are judicial and left to the courts.. News is not a passive transmission of all the events.. there's editing, twisting, exclusions, additions etc... When Andrea yates killed her five kids I think everyone in America wanted her for a public beheading ..knowing even that there was a element of sickness in her.. When the story was in the courts, we saw a woman who was repeatedly let go from the Psych. ward because her insurance ran out.. Is she solely responsible then for the death of those children? if it were left to the initial story, we'd think a woman woke up one day sick of her husband weighed down by her five kids wanted to start fresh and plead insanity. I think youtube and independent media outlets not financially coerced by institutions are doing a great job and have largely replaced large corporate media..
Be that as it may I don't condone any act of terrorism or stupidity or frank khawarij posing as Muslims.. but I take news I read from mainstream news with a grain of salt until I can verify it all from multiple sources.. I think that's all anyone here is saying, because we've been burnt repeatedly.. and I agree that eastern news is even more notorious for lies.. one only needs to look at the disparity in the mainstream news in Syria and what's going on the streets.. They all have that ability.. Do you have much about the occupy wall street movement here? I hardly see a 5 sec news brief about it..
They create what they want, they augment what they want, they diminish what they want they add and subtract what they want.. I am not going to be a jackass imbuing whatever they dish out because they've rated themselves 'respectable and esteemed'

:w:
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GuestFellow
12-27-2011, 07:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew
haha..;D good one..(I assume you were being sarcastic there)
Salaam,

I was. But keep in mind, we don't truly know what happened (being serious). I'm aware Muslims can do terrible things, but we must treat ALL cases with caution and not jump to conclusions.

format_quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll

We don't hence certain things are judicial and left to the courts..
Some may argue the courts are corrupt and are working with the government.


[QUOTENews is not a passive transmission of all the events.. there's editing, twisting, exclusions, additions etc... When Andrea yates killed her five kids I think everyone in America wanted her for a public beheading ..knowing even that there was a element of sickness in her.. When the story was in the courts, we saw a woman who was repeatedly let go from the Psych. ward because her insurance ran out.. Is she solely responsible then for the death of those children? if it were left to the initial story, we'd think a woman woke up one day sick of her husband weighed down by her five kids wanted to start fresh and plead insanity. I think youtube and independent media outlets not financially coerced by institutions are doing a great job and have largely replaced large corporate media..
Be that as it may I don't condone any act of terrorism or stupidity or frank khawarij posing as Muslims.. but I take news I read from mainstream news with a grain of salt until I can verify it all from multiple sources.. I think that's all anyone here is saying, because we've been burnt repeatedly.. and I agree that eastern news is even more notorious for lies.. one only needs to look at the disparity in the mainstream news in Syria and what's going on the streets.. They all have that ability.. Do you have much about the occupy wall street movement here? I hardly see a 5 sec news brief about it..
They create what they want, they augment what they want, they diminish what they want they add and subtract what they want.. I am not going to be a jackass imbuing whatever they dish out because they've rated themselves 'respectable and esteemed'

:w:[/QUOTE]

I agree.
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جوري
12-27-2011, 07:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
Some may argue the courts are corrupt and are working with the government.
And I too agree with that statement so you know the very last weapon of the believer and use it..:p

:w:
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Abz2000
12-27-2011, 08:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew
Alright, so you totally ignore the fact that Boko Haram has come out and claimed responsibility for the horrendous attacks
they had also given us fake footage with obl "claiming" he had carried out 9/11, when actual obl interviews after 9/11 clearly said it was forbidden to target innocents even in the course of battle.
and you might also want to ask yourself why he wasn't wanted for the 9/11 attacks on fbi dot gov despite "claiming" he had carried it out.
yes, the lamestream media had us convinced that it was him and it was all based on torture "confessions" and conspiracy theory.

how many times have they told us that a group has "claimed responsibility" and later found that it was an email that came out of texas - proven through tracing?

do you have the official boko head at his office claiming he had ordered it? no, you would rather hear of fringe elements who have become a part of the group, at God knows who's bidding.

regarding fake videos, here's a source:
During planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA’s Iraq Operations Group kicked around a number of ideas for discrediting Saddam Hussein in the eyes of his people.One was to create a video purporting to show the Iraqi dictator having sex with a teenage boy, according to two former CIA officials familiar with the project.“It would look like it was taken by a hidden camera,” said one of the former officials. “Very grainy, like it was a secret videotaping of a sex session.”The idea was to then “flood Iraq with the videos,” the former official said.Another idea was to interrupt Iraqi television programming with a fake special news bulletin. An actor playing Hussein would announce that he was stepping down in favor of his (much-reviled) son Uday.

http://www.infowars.com/cia-consider...saddam-as-gay/
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Abz2000
12-27-2011, 08:21 PM
lol, scrolling to 3 minutes should help a lot:

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Roasted Cashew
12-28-2011, 12:37 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000
lol, scrolling to 3 minutes should help a lot:

What I am suppose to be looking for in this video?
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Roasted Cashew
12-28-2011, 12:45 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000
fringe elements who have become a part of the group
So you do agree that there are fringe elements within this group which might have carried out this vicious and hateful attack...And I don't want to get into 9/11 conspiracy theories because it is prohibited to do so in this forum.
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IslamicRevival
12-28-2011, 01:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by PoweredByGoogle
How do we know its true?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa...423575815.html
The Nigerian group Boko Haram claimed responsibility for the attacks, which represent the most co-ordinated and wide-ranging assault yet in their increasingly bloody sectarian fight with the country's weak central government. "We are responsible for the attack in Borno [state] and Damaturu," Boko Haram spokesman Abul Qaqa told the AFP on Saturday.

Absolute despicable attack. Every Muslim should speak up and condemn this bombing instead of questioning the authenticity of the report.
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Roasted Cashew
12-28-2011, 01:40 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Vision
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa...423575815.html
The Nigerian group Boko Haram claimed responsibility for the attacks, which represent the most co-ordinated and wide-ranging assault yet in their increasingly bloody sectarian fight with the country's weak central government. "We are responsible for the attack in Borno [state] and Damaturu," Boko Haram spokesman Abul Qaqa told the AFP on Saturday.

Absolute despicable attack. Every Muslim should speak up and condemn this bombing instead of questioning the authenticity of the report.
Thank you. Finally a sane voice on this forum. I was beginning to feel that almost everyone here lives in his/her world surrounded by conspiracies.
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جوري
12-28-2011, 02:06 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew
Thank you. Finally a sane voice on this forum. I was beginning to feel that almost everyone here lives in his/her world surrounded by conspiracies.
I'd question my own sanity when everyone around me is a conspirator and I hold the only 'fact'!..
be that as it may we've already stated in as many words if it is true then it is despicable.. but those three words would put an end to your thread and you wouldn't get this golden opportunity to insult our intellect...

best,
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Roasted Cashew
12-28-2011, 02:23 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll
but those three words
What words are we talking about here?

format_quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll
this golden opportunity to insult our intellect
I am not insulting anyone here but to say that everything around us is being conspired by big uncle Sam because it wants to defame Islam is also very ridiculous.. Uncle Sam is greedy, opportunistic and imperialistic but not a 24/7 anti-Islam conspirator. I would agree with you if u said US invaded Iraq for oil but if you were to tell me that it invaded Iraq because it hates Islam, then mind you I wouldn't agree. And please stop turning a blind eye to these black sheep among us who disgrace Islam and commit crimes against humanity.
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جوري
12-28-2011, 02:27 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew
What words are we talking about here?
'It is despicable'



http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/I am not insulting anyone here but to say that everything around us is being conspired by big uncle Sam because it wants to defame Islam is also very ridiculous.. Uncle Sam is greedy, opportunistic and imperialistic but not a 24/7 anti-Islam conspirator. I would agree with you if u said US invaded Iraq for oil but if you were to tell me that it invaded Iraq because it hates Islam, then mind you I wouldn't agree. And please stop turning a blind eye to these black sheep among us who disgrace Islam and commit crimes against humanity.
You'll forgive that we like to look once twice and thrice before we agree.. and glad to see you made it safely to Gujrat from Moscow..

best,
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Roasted Cashew
12-28-2011, 02:33 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll
and glad to see you made it safely to Gujrat from Moscow..
You noticed the change.. Nah, I am still in Moscow. I am a Pakistani though. It's just that I am confused what should go in that location field...my current location or my hometown..??
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جوري
12-28-2011, 02:35 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew
You noticed the change.. Nah, I am still in Moscow. I am a Pakistani though. It's just that I am confused what should go in that location field...my current location or my hometown..??
Hence looking once, twice and three times.. :)

best,
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Eric H
12-28-2011, 09:02 AM
Greetings and peace be with you Roasted Cashew;

If we were to search for God amongst all this killing, I am sure he would want forgiveness, peace and reconcilliation, only God can act in a just way and put all things right.

Blessings

Eric
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Roasted Cashew
12-28-2011, 09:50 AM
Greetings and peace be with you too.
format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H
If we were to search for God amongst all this killing, I am sure he would want forgiveness, peace and reconcilliation, only God can act in a just way and put all things right.
Indeed!
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GuestFellow
12-28-2011, 07:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew
You noticed the change.. Nah, I am still in Moscow. I am a Pakistani though. It's just that I am confused what should go in that location field...my current location or my hometown..??
Salaam,

Your current location.
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syed_z
12-28-2011, 08:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Vision
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa...423575815.html
The Nigerian group Boko Haram claimed responsibility for the attacks, which represent the most co-ordinated and wide-ranging assault yet in their increasingly bloody sectarian fight with the country's weak central government. "We are responsible for the attack in Borno [state] and Damaturu," Boko Haram spokesman Abul Qaqa told the AFP on Saturday.

Absolute despicable attack. Every Muslim should speak up and condemn this bombing instead of questioning the authenticity of the report.

Aslaaam O Alaikum....


Quran clearly condemns and since Quran does so do we Since we're Muslims...


(6:151) ...and do NOT take any Human being's life - (the life)which God has declared to to be sacred - otherwise than (in pursuit of) justice: this has He enjoined upon you so that you might use your reason!


(5:32) ...If any one slays a human being unless it be (in punishment) for murder or for spreading corruption on Earth - it shall be as though he had slain all mankind! where as if any one saved a Life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind!


and i would also suggest that if delved a little more on the subject of Boko Haram in Nigeria you'll find that the main cause of these killings is the government itself because the government is corrupt and many politicians exploit these conditions for their own benefit just like it happens in every other country.... so its not Islam or Muslims who are to be blamed....please read below...


Government blamed



Salisu Mohammed, a conflict management specialist, told Al Jazeera that Nigerian authorities should have acted sooner to stop the proliferation of Boko Haram.


"Many people have known of the existence of this group, silently and within the community, especially in the last year," he said.


"They are becoming more extreme because in the past there wasn't a major push in place to check their proliferation.


"They are taking advantage of a broken-down structural condition in Nigeria that people can take the law into their hands without getting reprimanded."


Analysts have also said that at the heart of this week's violence is dire poverty and political manoeuvring - not religion.


They believe attacks were committed mainly by frustrated, unemployed youths and orchestrated by religious leaders and politicians who manipulate them to retain power.


Mohammed Yusuf, the group's leader, was killed in the aftermath of clashes between Boko Haram and Nigerian police in August 2009.


The police said that he was killed while trying to escape from custody, but his body was found in the street, still handcuffed, raising concerns that he had been the victim of an extrajudicial killing.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/Africa...529620235.html


.....since the government has Christians as well then should we blame everything on the Christians ? Obviously no because innocent Christians have nothing to do with it and neither has their faith anything to do with it.


So Muslims and Christians both have to condemn the killings and the reasons which lead towards this mess should also be kept in view by both.

Salaam.
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Ramadhan
12-28-2011, 10:19 PM
I am actually watching BBC World News as I type, and in the news, Pastor AYO ORITSEJAFOR, the head of Nigeria Christians Association is issuing command to all christians in Nigeria:

Do what you have to do.

and when he was asked by the journalist why not turning the other cheek, the pastor replied:
We don't have the other cheek.

Tha pastor went on to say that in the history of christianity they were never the one who attacked, but now they will have to retaliate. umm...okay.

errr.... isn't this what is accused of the terrorists: that they feel they are justified in carrying attacks because "they have to do what they have to do"?

With this kind of looney pastor, it is no wonder that there will be more religious conflicts in Nigeria.
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Ramadhan
12-28-2011, 10:21 PM
Also, as a side note, as far as I know, BBC never interviewed any muslim leader in Nigeria, while it keeps projecting news from the point of view of christians in this particular issue.
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GuestFellow
12-28-2011, 11:34 PM
The BBC can be sneaky. They deliberately omit important information.
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Eric H
12-29-2011, 10:50 PM
Greetings and peace be with you Ramadhan;

and when he was asked by the journalist why not turning the other cheek, the pastor replied:
We don't have the other cheek.
Sadly the human need for justice is far greater than than following the commands of God, we should love and pray for our enemies, we should turn the other cheek, we should forgive.

The ways of God are hard to follow.

In the spirit of praying for forgiveness and reconcilliation.

Eric
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Perseveranze
12-30-2011, 12:22 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Vision
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa...423575815.html
The Nigerian group Boko Haram claimed responsibility for the attacks, which represent the most co-ordinated and wide-ranging assault yet in their increasingly bloody sectarian fight with the country's weak central government. "We are responsible for the attack in Borno [state] and Damaturu," Boko Haram spokesman Abul Qaqa told the AFP on Saturday.

Absolute despicable attack. Every Muslim should speak up and condemn this bombing instead of questioning the authenticity of the report.
Asalaamu Alaikum,

Just warning you, Al Jazeera is not something you should rely on. They're as bad as any of the other Islamaphobe websites, I remember watching their channel and no doubt they were one of the first to assume the Oslo bombings had something to do with Muslims.

Just be careful is all I'm saying.
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Ramadhan
01-12-2012, 10:39 PM
http://www.onislam.net/english/news/...ia-strife.html


Global Muslim Body Slams Nigeria Strife

The IUMS called for peaceful co-existence between Muslims and Christians in Nigeria

CAIRO – A global Muslim body has condemned sectarian violence between Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, calling for concerted efforts to abort strife in Africa’s most populous nation.

“The International Union for Muslim Scholars (IUMS) strongly condemns gruesome massacres committed against Muslims and Christians in Nigeria and worship places,” the IUMS said in a statement obtained by OnIslam.net on Thursday, January 12.

Fears of sectarian war have gripped Nigeria in recent weeks following attacks by the radical Islamist group Boko Haram.
At least 40 people were killed in attacks by the radical groups on churches in northern Nigeria on Christmas Day.

In response, Christian leaders have vowed to take “measures” to defend their community, sparking fears of revenge against Muslim communities.

“We are following with deep concern the tragic incidents in Nigeria and the massacres committed against Christians, which the IUMS had strongly denounced, as well as the massacres committed by Christians against Muslims…which sent the country into abyss and bloody conflicts,” the IUMS said.
In a video on Wednesday, Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau said anti-Christians attacks were in revenge for assaults on Muslims.
"Christians, everyone knows what they have done to us and Muslims,” Shekau says in Hausa, sat in front of two Kalashnikov rifles and wearing a camouflage bullet proof jacket, Reuters reported.
“We were attacked and we decided to defend ourselves and, because we were on the right path, Allah has made us stronger.
The Boko Haram leader also said that Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan had no power to stop the group’s attacks.
"Jonathan, (you) know full well that this thing is beyond your powers," he added, referring to the president.
Shekau is understood to have taken over control of Boko Haram after the group’s founder Mohammed Yusuf was killed in police custody in 2009 following an uprising in which 700 people were killed.
"Everyone knows how our leader was murdered and everyone knows the way the Muslims were killed," Shekau says, remaining stony faced and calm throughout.
"Catastrophe is caused by unbelief, unrest is unbelief, injustice is unbelief, democracy is unbelief and the constitution is unbelief.
"Anyone who attacks us, we will attack him back even if he is a Muslim. We shall kill anyone who works against Islam, even if he is a Muslim," Shekau said in the online tape.

Co-existence



The IUMS called for peaceful co-existence between Muslims and Christians in Nigeria.

“We call for co-existence and tolerance in the country,” said the Dublin-based body, chaired by prominent scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi.
The IUMS also called for concerted efforts to end sectarian strife in heavyweight African nation.
“We call on the Nigerian government to provide security for all to help prevent any strife and give no room for foreign interference,” the Muslim body said.
“We also appeal to the Organization of the Islamic Cooperation to do utmost efforts to help Nigeria out of this crisis and dispatch a fact-finding mission to help defuse the strife.”
On Wednesday, the Christian Association of Nigeria called for talks with Muslim leaders to help defuse the sectarian tension in the country.
"We need Muslim leaders to be more proactive,” CAN head Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor told the BBC News Online.
“Number two, the government must find ways to empower the security agencies.
“The third point is the fact that one way or another, there must be room for some dialogue. But that dialogue must begin between myself, probably, and the leader of the Muslims."

Nigeria, one of the world's most religiously committed nations, is divided between a Muslim north and a Christian south.

Muslims and Christians, who constitute 55 and 40 percent of Nigeria's 140 million population respectively, have lived in peace for the most part.
But ethnic and religious tensions have bubbled for years, fuelled by decades of resentment between indigenous groups, mostly Christian or animist, who are vying for control of fertile farmlands with migrants and settlers from the Hausa-speaking Muslim north.
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Ramadhan
01-12-2012, 10:46 PM
What's crazy is that when mosques are attacked and muslims are killed in Nigeria, it does not make international news. Or if it is reported, it is reported as "fuel-strike"-related.

Nigerian fuel protests grow, mob kills 5 in mosque

By Tim Cocks and Mike Oboh
LAGOS/KANO | Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:19am IST

(Reuters) - A mob killed five people in an attack on a mosque in southern Nigeria on Tuesday, as tens of thousands took to the streets in a second day of nationwide protests against the scrapping of a fuel subsidy that has nearly doubled petrol prices.

The attack in Benin City raised fears that President Goodluck Jonathan's two major security headaches, opposition to fuel deregulation and sectarian strife, were merging into one.
An aid worker whose organisation operates in the area, who declined to be identified, said the mosque attack had forced 3,000 Muslims of northern origin to flee.
The assault was most likely a reprisal against northern Muslims for attacks by the radical Islamist sect Boko Haram on Christians of southern origin in the north, including a spate of deadly raids on churches which have killed dozens.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/0...8090M520120110



Thousands displaced in wake of Nigerian mosque attack
Jan 11, 2012, 12:32 GMT

Abuja - More than 8,000 people have been displaced after an attack the day before on a mosque in the southern Nigerian city of Benin, the Nigerian Red Cross told dpa Wednesday.

The attack - in which 25 people stormed the mosque and a Koranic school next door - left five people dead and several more injured.
A police source said young people had 'capitalized on (fuel subsidy protests) to carry out a reprisal attack on Muslims as revenge after (attacks) on southerners in the north.'
Nigeria's south is heavily Christian while the north is heavily Muslim. Tensions between the two regions have been on the rise in the wake of recent attacks by radical Islamist group Boko Haram on Christians in the north.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ne...-mosque-attack
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Ramadhan
01-12-2012, 10:49 PM
This happens every single time.
When a christian was killed in a sectarian violence in Indonesia, all international media were abuzz, but they never reported that more muslims have actually been killed by radical christians in sectarian violence in Central Sulawesi and Maluku than the opposite.
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Eric H
01-15-2012, 07:23 PM
Greetings and peace be with you Ramadhan;
the government must find ways to empower the security agencies.
I feel the people who have the most power to bring about any form of peace are the families and friends of the victims. You might read the following story about a Palestinian and a Jew, who have both had family members killed by the other side.

These are the people most in need of justice, but they seem to be forgiving and giving up their right for justice for themselves. It seems they are more keen to pursue a future peace that no more people should suffer.


Ghazi Briegeith, a Palestinian electrician living in Hebron, and Rami Elhanan, an Israeli graphic designer from Jerusalem, met through the Parents’ Circle – a group of bereaved families supporting reconciliation and peace. Ghazi’s brother was killed at a checkpoint in 2000. Rami’s 14-year-old daughter was the victim of a suicide bombing in Jerusalem in 1997.

Rami
I was on my way to the airport when my wife called and told me Smadar was missing. When something like this happens a cold hand grabs your heart. You rush between friends’ houses and hospitals, then eventually you find yourself in the morgue and you see a sight you’ll never forget for the rest of your life. From that moment you are a new person. Everything is different.
At first I was tormented with anger and grief; I wanted revenge, to get even. But we are people – not animals! I asked myself, “Will killing someone else release my pain?” Of course not. It was clear to my wife and I that the blame rests with the occupation. The suicide bomber was a victim just like my daughter, grown crazy out of anger and shame.
I don’t forgive and I don’t forget, but when this happened to my daughter I had to ask myself whether I’d contributed in any way. The answer was that I had – my people had, for ruling, dominating and oppressing three-and-a-half million Palestinians for 35 years. It is a sin and you pay for sins.
At first I foolishly thought I could just go back to work and resume my life, but the pain was unbearable. Then, a year later, I met Ytzhak Frankenthal, the founder of the Parents’ Circle. He was wearing a ‘kippah’ on his head, and immediately I stereotyped him as an ‘Arab eater’. Even when he told me his personal story, and about the reconciliation work of Parents’ Circle, I was very cynical.
He invited me to a meeting, and reluctantly I went along, just to take a look. I saw buses full of people, among them legends – parents who had lost kids in wars and who still wanted peace. I saw an Arab lady in a long black dress. On her chest was a picture of a six-year-old kid. A singer sang in Hebrew and Arabic, and suddenly I was hit by lightening. I can’t explain it, but from that moment I had a reason to get up in the morning again.
Since then my work with the Parents’ Circle has become the centre of my life, a sacred mission. If we – Ghazi and I – can talk and stand together after paying the highest price possible, then anyone can. There is a high wall between our two nations, a wall of hate and fear. Someone needs to put cracks in the wall in order for it to fall down.

Ghazi
You need a ticket to belong to the Parents’ Circle – the ticket is to have lost a member of your close family. This means Rami and I are brothers of pain.
My own brother was killed in 2000 at the beginning of the Intifada. I’d been with him just minutes before he died. As I was walking home I heard a shot. I found out later he’d been stopped and searched at the checkpoint. When he protested, the soldier shouted, “Shut your mouth, or I’ll shoot you, you son of a *****,” to which my brother replied: “YOU son of a *****!” So the soldier shot him. It was a machine gun in a kid’s hand. Sometimes the power makes them mad.
At first I was completely out of my mind – crazy with grief. There should be no forgiveness for the killers of innocents, and yet even then I saw the soldier as a victim of the occupation just as my brother was, just as I am still. But forgiveness is a very personal thing. Even if I choose to forgive the person who killed my brother, I can’t force my brother’s kids to forgive. But I can show them that far more valuable than a violent response, is opening your heart to reconciliation and peace. I can show them that opening a new page is their only hope of living a better life than ours.
The Palestinians have nothing left to lose, so the Israelis must realise that they are destroying their own nation by causing so much suffering. You don’t need to love each other to build a bridge between the two nations: you need respect. If I can stand with my Jewish brother Rami, respecting him as he respects me, then there is hope.

http://theforgivenessproject.com/sto...lhanan-israel/

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

Eric
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