O ummah, for how much longer?

[Abz2000]

[Ramadhan]

Ya Allah please protect my brothers and sisters in Palestine, and may your curse be upon those evil zionists. ameen ya rabb al alameen.

[IslamicRevival]

Ameen, Ameen

[Tasnym]

Problems is not only zionists but also jewish diaspora over the world.
That's why Israel is strong. They control the world finances....

Please remember me what Allah SWT said about the jews ???

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[Ramadhan]

Problems is not only zionists but also jewish diaspora over the world.
That's why Israel is strong. They control the world finances....

:sl:

Please learn what zionists mean.

Not all jews are zionists and not all zionists are jews (diaspora or not).
There are many jews who are against the evil practices of the state of Israel and against zionism.

[Tasnym]

You are right then remember me what Allah SWT said about jews.

[Tasnym]

Dominique Gaston André Strauss-Kahn is a French economist, lawyer, politician, and member of the French Socialist Party (PS). Strauss-Kahn became the Managing Director of the IMF on 28 September 2007.

<sup>WIKI



He said : Dominique Strauss-Kahn déclarait dans un entretien à Passages en 1991 :

"Je considère que tout Juif dans la diaspora, et donc c'est vrai en France, doit partout où il le peut apporter son aide à Israël. C'est pour ça d'ailleurs qu'il est important que les Juifs prennent des responsabilités politiques. Tout le monde ne pense pas la même chose dans la Communauté juive, mais je crois que c'est nécessaire. Car, on ne peut pas à la fois se plaindre qu'un pays comme la France, par exemple, ait dans le passé et peut-être encore aujourd'hui, une politique par trop pro-arabe et ne pas essayer de l'infléchir par des individus qui pensent différemment en leur permettant de prendre le plus grand nombre de responsabilités. En somme, dans mes fonctions et dans ma vie de tous les jours, au travers de l'ensemble de mes actions, j'essaie de faire en sorte que ma modeste pierre soit apportée à la construction de la terre d'Israël." (Propos recueillis par Emille Malet, Passages n°35, février-mars 1991).


===>

I get up every morning I wonder what I can do to help israel like jewish diaspora.</sup>

[Ramadhan]

You are right then remember me what Allah SWT said about jews.

Yes, I remember some verses in the Qur'an. Allah says in the Qur'an that some jews will go to hell and some jews will go to jannah (paradise).

And your point is?

[Samiun]

:sl: I wake up everyday to pray salat, have breakfast, dinner and lunch yet sometimes I am not grateful for what I have. When that happens, I always remind my-self about people who are always suffering in Palestine, Gaza. Then I would be thankful to Allah S.W.T. for giving me such a privilege to live in this world like this.

[Tasnym]

Yes, I remember some verses in the Qur'an. Allah says in the Qur'an that some jews will go to hell and some jews will go to jannah (paradise).

And your point is?

Please in which verses ?

[Tasnym]

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.
(related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

[Abz2000]

sis, i understand what you are saying, and there is a muddying of the lines when it comes to zionism
but we must always remember not to push at the jews who are looking at the truth and may come to it some day.

the hadith you mentioned was not a rule, but a prophecy,
it was not the case during the time of the Prophet pbuh, and he never commanded such a thing generalizing all jews.
i believe it may possibly happen as a result of the atrocities they commit and will clarify that this is not a rule,

we must do our best to give them the guidance, people the world over are waking up,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyGwC3Wtlmw




love your posts though

[Ramadhan]

Please in which verses ?

Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (QS. 2:62)

[1] Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among Pagans, were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence.
[2] A Messenger (Muhammad) from Allâh, reciting (the Qur'ân) purified pages.
[3] Containing correct and straight laws from Allâh.
[4] And the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) differed not until after there came to them clear evidence. (i.e. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and whatever was revealed to him).
[5] And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allâh, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him), and perform Prayers and give Charity: and that is the right religion.
[6] Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islâm, the Qur'ân and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and pagans will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
[7] Verily, those who believe [in the Oneness of Allâh, and in His Messenger Muhammad (pbuh)) including all obligations ordered by Islâm] and do righteous good deeds, they are the best of creatures.
[8] Their reward with their Lord is Eden Paradise (Gardens of Eternity), underneath which rivers flow, they will abide therein forever, Allâh Well-Pleased with them, and they with Him. That is for him who fears his Lord.
(QS. 98)

"By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, there is no-one of this Ummah, Jew or Christian, who hears of me then dies without believing in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the people of Hell." (Sahih Muslim, 153).

So, please tell me directly that you believe that ALL jews now will be going to hell?

[Ramadhan]

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.
(related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

Please tell me if the hadith says "all jews"?
or if it even says "all muslims"?

[syilla]

this is where dislike button is needed... subhnallah amin to all the duas :(

[Tasnym]

Please tell me if the hadith says "all jews"?
or if it even says "all muslims"?

The hadith says " Jews"
not some jews or this jews, or man or those who live here...

so you must understand all jews in this period

[Tasnym]

No one who doesn't accept Islam, Allah SWT and El Rassoul SAWS
will go to paradis !!!

It's the first time of my live I hear some jews will go to paradis, until they convert and accept Islam.

We don't know if we'll go to paradise too but we have more chance than jews.

Wa Allah Wallam.

[Tasnym]

Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (QS. 2:62)

[1] Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among Pagans, were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence.
[2] A Messenger (Muhammad) from Allâh, reciting (the Qur'ân) purified pages.
[3] Containing correct and straight laws from Allâh.
[4] And the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) differed not until after there came to them clear evidence. (i.e. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and whatever was revealed to him).
[5] And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allâh, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him), and perform Prayers and give Charity: and that is the right religion.
[6] Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islâm, the Qur'ân and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and pagans will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
[7] Verily, those who believe [in the Oneness of Allâh, and in His Messenger Muhammad (pbuh)) including all obligations ordered by Islâm] and do righteous good deeds, they are the best of creatures.
[8] Their reward with their Lord is Eden Paradise (Gardens of Eternity), underneath which rivers flow, they will abide therein forever, Allâh Well-Pleased with them, and they with Him. That is for him who fears his Lord.
(QS. 98)

"By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, there is no-one of this Ummah, Jew or Christian, who hears of me then dies without believing in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the people of Hell." (Sahih Muslim, 153).

So, please tell me directly that you believe that ALL jews now will be going to hell?

I have send this to a Cheikh in University of Sharjah and i'll come back inchallah with the answer. Inchallah.

[Tasnym]

[85] And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will NEVER be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. [86] How shall Allâh guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and after they bore witness that the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) is true and after clear proofs had come unto them? And Allâh guides not the people who are Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers). [87] They are those whose recompense is that on them (rests) the Curse of Allâh, of the angels, and of all mankind. [88] They will abide therein (Hell). Neither will their torment be lightened, nor will it be delayed or postponed (for a while). (Qur’an 3:85-88)

[Tasnym]

Their is also a hadith that says out of every 1000 person 999 will go to hell. Narrated in Bukhari and Muslim: Allah will say, Send forth those who are destined for hell? Adam (pbuh) will say.Who are those? ...Allah will say Out of every thousand, 999 go to hell and 1 to paradise". - Bukhari 6:60:265

[Ramadhan]

The hadith says " Jews"
not some jews or this jews, or man or those who live here...

so you must understand all jews in this period

sister, this all started when I asked Allah to curse the zionists wrongdoers, but you told me not to forget all the jews.

No, I will not do that.

You are welcome to ask Allah to curse all the jews.

But remember, if there is only, just one, innocent jew in this world, the curse will come back to you.

[Ramadhan]

No one who doesn't accept Islam, Allah SWT and El Rassoul SAWS
will go to paradis !!!

Only if they have heard the true message of Islam.

If there is one jew in this world who have never heard the true message of Islam, but they never associate God with any partner and they follow what they believe is their true scripture, then you are one who have wrongly accused them to hell.

Please be careful with what you say.

It's the first time of my live I hear some jews will go to paradis, until they convert and accept Islam.

Yes, there will be some jews in paradise.
Shocking? Not if you believe in the words of Allah (Al Qur'an)

We don't know if we'll go to paradise too but we have more chance than jews.

Only if we die as muslim Insha Allah.

[Ramadhan]

Their is also a hadith that says out of every 1000 person 999 will go to hell. Narrated in Bukhari and Muslim: Allah will say, Send forth those who are destined for hell? Adam (pbuh) will say.Who are those? ...Allah will say Out of every thousand, 999 go to hell and 1 to paradise". - Bukhari 6:60:265

You copy and paste qur'an ayats and hadith and not even understanding the context.

the hadith above was to show that majority of those who will go to hell and paradise will be from gog and magog (juj and majuj). I really cannot see how the hadith is related to our discussion. Are you saying that all current non-muslims are gog and magog? But even then, they are not 999 out of 1000.

Keep learning, but in the meantime, guard your mouth so that you don't wrongly accurse innocents.

[Ramadhan]

[85] And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will NEVER be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. [86] How shall Allâh guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and after they bore witness that the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) is true and after clear proofs had come unto them? And Allâh guides not the people who are Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers). [87] They are those whose recompense is that on them (rests) the Curse of Allâh, of the angels, and of all mankind. [88] They will abide therein (Hell). Neither will their torment be lightened, nor will it be delayed or postponed (for a while). (Qur’an 3:85-88)

You need to read the above verses slowly and carefully again:
The verse 85 is not separated from 86. Those two verses are d amning against people who left Islam (murtad) to seek another religion.
And the next verse (87) is for zalimun.

Now please tell me that you also consider a jew, who never associate any partner to God (swt) and is not a wrongdoer and never heard the true message of Islam, is a zalimun?

I'll be careful with what I say in case they come back to me.

[Tasnym]

:sl:,

The Cheikh and his wife will receive me next days. He lived more than 10 years in Soudan, 7 in Mecqua El Moukarama and nearly 10 years in UAE. He participates in many conferences in Malaysia, Indonesia,... He regularly participates in TV programs on Islam on Sharjah TV. You can find his name in the list of the staff of Sharjah University.

I' ll come back after to give you my point. I need time to write in English.

[Tasnym]

sister, this all started when I asked Allah to curse the zionists wrongdoers, but you told me not to forget all the jews.

No, I will not do that.

You are welcome to ask Allah to curse all the jews.

But remember, if there is only, just one, innocent jew in this world, the curse will come back to you.

First I didn' t say all jews but jewish diaspora means the " Elite " with the power of decision.

You mean Innocent jew or other religion who spits on El Rassoul SAW, Jesus AS, Mary RA,... on Sahaba RA,... ?

I don't speak about kids, mental patient,... but everyone who have a conscience and have receive the Message " El Risala"

[Tasnym]

Salam Alikum

Only if they have heard the true message of Islam.

And who haven't heard the true message of Islam in our century ?
Maybe pygmies living in the Amazon or the North Koreans or Eskimos but certainly not jews with all the media we have on earth.
If there is one jew in this world who have never heard the true message of Islam, but they never associate God with any partner and they follow what they believe is their true scripture, then you are one who have wrongly accused them to hell.

Of course, I agree.

Please be careful with what you say.

You are right but you too, no one khows who will go to hell or paradise.

Yes, there will be some jews in paradise.
Shocking? Not if you believe in the words of Allah

Repetition

Only if we die as muslim Insha Allah.

Not jews ?

[UmmuShaheed]

May Allah guide ALL PEOPLE to al deenul-haaq.!
May allah give a tormenting punishment to the Jews who are behind ANY sort of torture to A SINGLE muslim.
And Anyone who wrongs them. No Ones deserves what their going through.
May Allah give fill their hearts with imaan to perserve. And Inshallah lets not forget our dear brothers and sisters around the world.

[Abz2000]

may Allah guide all people - including jews, to the truth.
for there are yet many who believe in Allah from what their parents have taught them, and are considering the message which came afterwards.

[Scimitar]

Scimi

[Amat Allah]

Bismellah Tawakkalna ala Allah

Assalaamu Alikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh

in the same book of Sahih Al Bukhari which you have mentioned a hadeeth from it above about Jews there is another hadeeths tells us the Akhlaaq of Rassol Allah salla Allahu alyhi wa sallam and that Allah had sent him as a mercy for the whole world....

Allah says:"And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds. (107)" Surat Al Anbiyaa

in the following hadeeth I will post ; those people whom Rasool Allah made Duaa for are not muslims honey but from the mushrikeeen:

Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)' of Sahih Bukhari , hadeeth number 188:

Narrated Abu Huraira: Tufail bin 'Amr Ad-Dausi and his companions came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! The people of the tribe of Daus disobeyed and refused to follow you; so invoke Allah against them." The people said, "The tribe of Daus is ruined." The Prophet said, "O Allah! Give guidance to the people of Daus, and let them embrace Islam."

my sweetheart if we would only curse and hate then the love of hidayah for others won`t fill our hearts but will be replaced with those dark feelings which will make us a source of hatred and won`t be able to guide others after Allah to the Deen of Allah...

Allah says:"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. (8)" Surat Al Mumtahanah

how to invite someone to the way of guidance while despising him/her?

how to curse him/her and make duaa against him/her or say we will kill ya all someday then say oh our deen is the deen of mercy and peace; would ya like to convert?

you are the worshipper of stones , trees, prophets , angels...etc, Allah hates ya O disbelievers and He will make ya all the food of hellfire, do you know that Allah Is The Most Merciful to His slaves?

oh really, if I were in their places I would see ya as someone has some mental disorder and run with my life, I`ll believe not someone curses me , insults me , wana kill me and see himself better than me...and I`ll be like a sponge which will only absorb the wrong concepts and lies about that religion and won`t believe anythng good about it but will laugh each time ...

in saheeh Muslim the book of Al Jihaad wa Assiyar:

It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Masa that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) deputed any of his Companions on a mission, he would say: Give tidings (to the people) ; do not create (in their minds) aversion (towards religion) ; show them leniency and do not be hard upon them.

It has also been narrated by Sa'd b. Abu Burda through his father through his grandfather that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent him and Mu'adh (on a mission) to the Yemen, and said (by way of advising them): Show leniency (to the people) ; don't be hard upon them; give them glad tidings (of Divine favours in this world and the Hereafter) ; and do not create aversion. Work in collaboration and don't be divided.

Allah says:"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided. (125)" Surat Annahil

and also we should never say or assure the fire of hell for anyone, this is in Allah`s Hand only ;not in ours the slaves and servants ...

May Allah guide the whole world to Him The Exalted Ameeeen

[Amat Allah]

and also , if you would read in Sunnah and Seerah then you will see how Rasool Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) used to treat Jewish people and also how much generous he was with them and also the amazing treatments of Sahabah to Jews (May Allah be pleased with them all)...

There you will find the guidance of Muhammad (salla Allahu Alyhi wa sallam) and the path of those whom were his students (May Allah be pleased with them) ...

[ILuvAllah]

Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (QS. 2:62)

[1] Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among Pagans, were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence.
[2] A Messenger (Muhammad) from Allâh, reciting (the Qur'ân) purified pages.
[3] Containing correct and straight laws from Allâh.
[4] And the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) differed not until after there came to them clear evidence. (i.e. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and whatever was revealed to him).
[5] And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allâh, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him), and perform Prayers and give Charity: and that is the right religion.
[6] Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islâm, the Qur'ân and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and pagans will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
[7] Verily, those who believe [in the Oneness of Allâh, and in His Messenger Muhammad (pbuh)) including all obligations ordered by Islâm] and do righteous good deeds, they are the best of creatures.
[8] Their reward with their Lord is Eden Paradise (Gardens of Eternity), underneath which rivers flow, they will abide therein forever, Allâh Well-Pleased with them, and they with Him. That is for him who fears his Lord.
(QS. 98)

"By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, there is no-one of this Ummah, Jew or Christian, who hears of me then dies without believing in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the people of Hell." (Sahih Muslim, 153).

So, please tell me directly that you believe that ALL jews now will be going to hell?

but how? their scriptures has been changed. Quran is the last revelation and if they dont follow the last revelation and the last Prophet (pbuh) how can they enter paradise?

[KDhieb]

this is so heart breaking and brutally disgusting.

[Abz2000]

this is so heart breaking and brutally disgusting.

and this one got my blood boiling:

[Abz2000]

[KDhieb]

Akh... I don't what to say really...

sick *******s

[KDhieb]

Insha Allah I pray I get to see the day that Palestine is back.
Insha Allah one day sooner than later, the children of Palestine can live as children. Insha Allah one day, the mothers of Palestine do not have to shed any more tears over the torment from these animals.

[Roasted Cashew]

and this one got my blood boiling

The Israelis show their soldiers footage of Israeli children dying thanks to Palestinian rockets and bombs and that boils their blood. Remember, we are not the only ones with blood that can boil. Palestinians need to understand that either you are the victim or the aggressor. If you choose to be someone in between these two, then you are not helping your cause and you are making it difficult for the world to openly support your cause. If you want to be seen as the victim, then stop the rockets and attacks. Give the world NOTHING to point back at you. And if you think, you can not sit silent, the go all out. Finish it once and for all. Stop with this random attacks which give you a bad name.

[KDhieb]

^^ you cannot tell me that the Palestinians are not victims.

[Roasted Cashew]

^^ you cannot tell me that the Palestinians are not victims.

They certainly are. There is no doubt. But some of them have done a fair share of aggression as well which gives their cause a bad name.

[KDhieb]

I don't think the word fair can be used anywhere in this situation brother..
that is just my opinion..

[Roasted Cashew]

I don't think the word fair can be used anywhere in this situation brother..
that is just my opinion..

And I respect your opinion.

[Abz2000]

cashew, it's not their fault for not losing morale and doing what they can,
and btw, they are beyond ur definition of sympathy, they know the world benefits them nothing without Allah and that Allah can stir up the world as He sees fit,
Allah sent them a public message and they received it, here's what Allah told them:
38. Those who hearken
To their Lord, and establish
Regular prayer; who (conduct)
Their affairs by mutual
Consultation;
Who spend out of what
We bestow on them
For Sustenance;

---

39. And those who, when
An oppressive wrong is inflicted
On them, (are not cowed
But) help and defend themselves.

---

40. The recompense for an injury
Is an injury equal thereto
(In degree): but if a person
Forgives and makes reconciliation,
His reward is due
From God: for (God)
Loveth not those who
Do wrong.

---

41. But indeed if any do help
And defend themselves
After a wrong (done)
To them, against such
There is no cause
Of blame.

---

42. The blame is only
Against those who oppress
Men with wrong-doing
And insolently transgress
Beyond bounds through the land,
Defying right and justice:
For such there will be
A Penalty grievous.

---

43. But indeed if any
Show patience and forgive,
That would truly be
An exercise of courageous will
And resolution in the conduct
Of affairs.


Quran Chapter 42


O Allah, the turner of hearts, make our hearts steadfast on your religion.

[Pure Purple]

We muslims failed to fulfilled our duty.
please have a look on this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6QB19Qw48I

[Jedi_Mindset]

Roasted cashews, can't believe you said that as a muslim, palestinians deserve every right to fire thousands of rockets into israel because those zionists are oppressing them and attacking them for more then 60 years. They deserve to kill those zionists. not every jew should be killed, but their soldiers and supporters should be. And of course satanyahoo.

Be honest roasted cashews and stop watching crusaders media and their puppets. You are only following dajjal's lies.

Israel is there for one reason- to await the false messiah, and to destroy us. Ofcourse they wont succeed but fights will be bloody.

[Roasted Cashew]

Roasted cashews, can't believe you said that as a muslim, palestinians deserve every right to fire thousands of rockets into israel because those zionists are oppressing them and attacking them for more then 60 years. They deserve to kill those zionists. not every jew should be killed, but their soldiers and supporters should be. And of course satanyahoo.

You do realize these rockets hardly target soldiers but instead civilians.. Children and women and older men: - what I am saying is they are indiscriminate in their targets. PLS DO TARGET the soldiers but spare the kids. If not, what is the difference between you and them.

[Jedi_Mindset]

You do realize these rockets hardly target soldiers but instead civilians.. Children and women and older men: - what I am saying is they are indiscriminate in their targets. PLS DO TARGET the soldiers but spare the kids. If not, what is the difference between you and them.

There is alot of propaganda going on, and israeli jumps very often that these rockets killed civilians. Just like the USA lies about the taliban attacks on military bases in which they claim only civilians died. How can there be civilians at very distant army bases in the mountains? lol. Look the problem is that even israel settlers shoot and target palestinians and burn olive trees. They are no different from the IDF. Hamas should thinking about minimize the civilian casualties, but there are alot of lies going on about that. The targeting of civilians by Hamas is often rare. And it isn't done on purpose.

[Roasted Cashew]

The targeting of civilians by Hamas is often rare. And it isn't done on purpose.

You do realize that Israel also says that they don't target civilians and only militants. These militants are the ones who hide in civilian locations. And they say they don't target civilians on purpose either. I believe Hamas as much as I believe the IDF.

[Jedi_Mindset]

You do realize that Israel also says that they don't target civilians and only militants. These militants are the ones who hide in civilian locations. And they say they don't target civilians on purpose either. I believe Hamas as much as I believe the IDF.

Because Hamas mujahids are ordinary civilians in normal houses, who have families. What could they do when israel drops 3000 pounds JDAMS on their neighbourhood? Killing everyone in and around it? Israel attacked UN schools on purpose, no militants were hiding there. Are you suggesting that hamas needs to make concrete bunkers to hide in? (Which they can't btw the poverty in gaza is rising non-stop, lack of money)

[Scimitar]

The truth is, the situation always gets worse, and keeps getting worse until it hits a crescendo break-point. And right when everyone gives up - Allah the Most Merciful Benefactor, sends HIS help.

Just look at our history. It's all there, it repeats itself. We're so stupid as a species, that Allah has made it all too clear for us. Still, we forget. Such is our nature.

No point getting all strung up about it now. Let's just either watch as it plays out, and pray for the ones who are in hardship... or keep silent on the matter. No point getting angry at eachother, we're on the same side :)

Scimi

[Abz2000]

roasted cashews is making his allegiances clear as he has constantly done.
and the only reason i ever bother to respond to his posts is to clear any misconceptions he may cause.
God knows his heart, not me, but i sure will not stop at clearing the misconceptions he creates.

You see those in whose hearts is a disease - how eagerly they run about amongst them,
saying: "We do fear lest disaster befalls us."
Ah! perhaps Allah will give (thee) victory, or a decision according to His will.
Then will they repent of the thoughts which they secretly harboured in their hearts.

Dhaalikal Kitaab: 5:52

[Roasted Cashew]

Because Hamas mujahids are ordinary civilians

That is an oxymoron right there. If you are a Mujahid, then you are not a civilian. If you take up arms you no longer remain a civilian.

[Abz2000]

lol another misconception from roasting cashews to clear,
a mujahid is one who strives,
that could mean someone who works to feed his children so they grow to be strong guided Muslims,
someone who saves lives by operating on them,
or someone who fights to protect his faith.
and many other things,
research the term b4 u open ur trap.

anyway, it isnt lawful for them to target Mujahids because they are the illegal invaders and instigators of agression, not the Mujahids.
Just like it wasn't lawful for them to target the people in Iraq, including those who stood up to thwart an illegal invasion.
it's not a mirror u know?



btw, obama and the queen are actively plotting to attack syria, and are using manufactured and instigated sectarian violence to gain public opinion, they have murdered many Muslims in iraq under the guise of removing their ex-puppet saddam, and are now attempting to use that deviant assad as their new excuse.
we must be aware of who the real aggressors are in this battle between truth and falsehood. and who seeks to gain from unjustified bloodshed and violence.
they have shown that they are treacherous and stand on falsehood, and only move forward (backward) through deceit and falsehood.
May Allah wake the Ummah up, and cause the people of the planet to come out of their drunken stupour and see the truth.

[IslamicRevival]

The Israelis show their soldiers footage of Israeli children dying thanks to Palestinian rockets and bombs and that boils their blood. Palestinians need to understand that either you are the victim or the aggressor. If you choose to be someone in between these two, then you are not helping your cause and you are making it difficult for the world to openly support your cause.

Apologies for the harsh tone i'm about to use but this has to be the most pathetic piece of garbage ive ever read on this forum. How many fatalities have there been from these rocket attacks? 1, 2? 3 at a push? Compare that to the amount of Palestinians killed since the creation of the satanic Israeli state, thousands upon thousands systematically killed and thousands made refugees, Now tell me, who's the victim and who's the aggressor?

If you want to be seen as the victim, then stop the rockets and attacks. Give the world NOTHING to point back at you. And if you think, you can not sit silent, the go all out. Finish it once and for all. Stop with this random attacks which give you a bad name. And if you think, you can not sit silent, the go all out. Finish it once and for all

What rocket attacks are you talking about? The only attacks im seeing are from the Israeli devil forces, bombing Gaza on a weekly basis.

If the Palestinians are firing homemade, harmless rockets into occupied Palestine, they're only doing so in retaliation to Israeli missile strikes which kill innocent civilians, for the Palestinians its their only means of resistance and without it the Zionists would have succeeded in driving them out completely a long time ago.

I don't think you understand the complexity of the situation as you've clearly been influenced by the crap you hear on Mainstream news channels, either that or its just plain ignorance.
[Long live the resistance, Palestine will be free one day InshAllah]

[Roasted Cashew]

Apologies for the harsh tone i'm about to use

apology accepted.

How many fatalities have there been from these rocket attacks?

28 maybe.

who's the victim

the civilians on BOTH sides

who's the aggressor?

IDF and Islamic militants whose rockets and suicide attacks killed innocent people.

What rocket attacks are you talking about?

Qassams and Katyushas

they're only doing so in retaliation to Israeli missile strikes which kill innocent civilians

two wrongs don't make a right. So you are saying, it's okay to target Israeli civilians because IDF targets Palestinian civilians?? So if I were to to kill someone's son. It would be perfectly legal for the father of that son to kill my son in retaliation instead of me??? I disagree. If I kill your son. You kill me. Not my son. Otherwise, you are no different than me.

Palestine will be free one day InshAllah

InsyaAllah. What Palestinians need is a charismatic leader who can unite the different factions. A true diplomat and a true deal breaker. One has to be realistic. America and Israel are military powers. Rockets are not gonna win back Palestine anytime soon. A true good leader would have won it decades ago without firing a single rocket

[جوري]

it's okay to target Israeli civilians because IDF targets Palestinian civilians??

Every Israeli that takes residence in Palestine through force is already making a Palestinian and his family refugees in their own homeland. Why shouldn't they be targeted? Furthermore EVERY ISRAELI is to enter the army(gals and guys) thus their army is conscript of the people leaving none of them the innocent title of civilians. They're all fair game.. and if I were a Palestinian I'd have only two things to look forward to either nasr or shahada but I wouldn't accept the situation as is. And I don't think there's any semblance of a normal life there for them to try to adhere to the principles that you think are good or that Israel enforces but exempts itself from..

I must ask you this, are you Muslim? Because there's only two places to go now, you either are or you aren't.. I'd hate for you to be persecuted for a religion that is so under the microscope for nothing or something when the views you profess are so obviously unipolar but from the the wrong end of the spectrum..

Good luck with that..

best,

[Abz2000]

lol at "bomb the peanut factories"



heres a second call:

[Abz2000]

here cashew, this is for you:

[Roasted Cashew]

their army is conscript of the people leaving none of them the innocent title of civilians. They're all fair game..

What abt the little kids. They are fair game as well? It doesn't matter if they all are required to undergo military training. What matters is who is holding guns and shooting. Those are the IDF's. They are your targets. Spare the civilians please.

I must ask you this, are you Muslim?

YES, I am; but not a proud one, instead, a thankful one.

the views you profess

I know my views do not go well with everyone. So much more being a Muslim. But my views are not meant to please anyone, not even myself. Sometimes, we need to look at things from the "OTHER" perspective rather than just "OURS" so that our conclusions are not biased. Therefore, Muslims and non-Muslims who only look at things from their perspectives alone abhor my views.

[Roasted Cashew]

here cashew, this is for you:

When did I say IDF were angels?? or when did I say they never committed any atrocities. I had this video in my favs on youtube since the day it came out.

[جوري]

What abt the little kids. They are fair game as well? It doesn't matter if they all are required to undergo military training. What matters is who is holding guns and shooting. Those are the IDF's. They are your targets. Spare the civilians please.

so far the only kids I see targeted are Palestenian ones so I am not really big on a hypothetical but please allow me to use the line of Madeleine Albright 'collateral damage' in the face of the greater good. So maybe you can let go of that self righteous humbug now?

YES, I am; but not a proud one, instead, a thankful one.

what the hell does that even mean?

I know my views do not go well with everyone. So much more being a Muslim. But my views are not meant to please anyone, not even myself. Sometimes, we need to look at things from the "OTHER" perspective rather than just "OURS" so that our conclusions are not biased. Therefore, Muslims and non-Muslims who only look at things from their perspectives alone abhor my views.

yes I've looked at the other point of view and found it to follow that path of the devil and fulfills his purpose of destruction, division and injustice do maybe the point of view is about right and wrong not what the other perspective is. I am not personally into empathizing with criminals if that counts for something in your book then your book is worthless. Your liege should be to justice and truth not parroting for me the same crappy 'rhetoric' that the 'other' guy dishes daily.
Ugh أعوذ بالله من النفاق ومن امثالكم

[IslamicRevival]

IDF and Islamic militants whose rockets and suicide attacks killed innocent people

Islamic militants? You mean the ones who have been driven out of their homeland and pushed to one corner (Gaza) like bag of trash, deprived of basic human needs? These are the same people who have to dig tunnels underground to bring food into Gaza, so they can feed their families but even then the Zionists come in with their F16's and bomb them to oblivion.

________

If someone came into your property, pointed a gun at you and and said "Get out..if not i'm going to force you out, This is our land, we belong here as our holy book says so" What would you do? Lay down or fight for what is yours?

Because what the Palestinians are doing right now are fighting for their homeland and freedom and no one can criticism them for that.

two wrongs don't make a right. So you are saying, it's okay to target Israeli civilians because IDF targets Palestinian civilians??

Hamas do not target Civilians, you must understand the rockets they fire are home made. They do not have laser guided precision like the F16s fighter jets the Israeli devil forces use. If anyone is guilty of targeting and systematically killing Palestinians its the Zionists, look back to 2009 when over a 1,000 people, mostly children were slaughtered, Poisonous nuclear phosphorous bombs raining down on them, Mosques, schools..even medical centers demolished due to them being bombed.

Who's targeting civilians i ask? Even a blind man can see whats going on.

America and Israel are military powers.

Correction, Military powers who have been humiliated time and time again by the true Mujahideen/Resistance in Gaza, Afghanistan and Iraq.

Rockets are not gonna win back Palestine anytime soon. A true good leader would have won it decades ago without firing a single rocket

What do you expect the Palestinians to do? Suffer silently whilst the Ummah (Me included) and world ignores their plight? The only leader who had a chance of winning Palestine back or broker some sort of deal was Yasser Arafat but look what happened to him, The Zionists murdered him by poisoning him.

[Roasted Cashew]

so far the only kids I see targeted are Palestenian ones so I am not really big on a hypothetical but please allow me to use the line of Madeleine Albright 'collateral damage' in the face of the greater good.

In that case, Palestinian kids are also "collateral damage". You have more Palestinian kids die because these so-called Mujahids hide around them when they run. Instead of fighting from the front they hide in civilian places and then cry foul.

what the hell does that even mean?

A lot of Muslims around here say that they are "Proud to be a Muslim" although Allah has clearly said in the Qur'an that he dislikes pride . Therefore all I was saying was that I am a thankful Muslim not a proud one.

Your liege should be to justice and truth not parroting for me the same crappy 'rhetoric'

I could say exactly the same thing to you.

Islamic militants? You mean

I mean those who killed INNOCENT civilians.

They do not have laser guided precision

That's exactly why they should not fire them. Unless you know your targets are IDF, you are deliberately putting civilian lives at risk. Closing your eyes and firing a rocket doesn't make you any better than those who precisely aim at you.

true Mujahideen

very hard to find TRUE Mujahideen now-a-days. The likes of Hazrat Ali r.a and all. What you have today is brainwashed and emotional cowards who are so cowardly that instead of blowing themselves of up in a military base, they deliberately choose soft targets and kill women and children. However, those who give their lives reaching the military bases and actually kill the military, salute to them. They do not die. They live forever.

[جوري]

In that case, Palestinian kids are also "collateral damage". You have more Palestinian kids die because these so-called Mujahids hide around them when they run. Instead of fighting from the front they hide in civilian places and then cry foul.

Firstly I don't accept the premise you've spun to create an exit out of your nonsense. It is not compatible with Islamic principles to target the old, the crippled, women or children & I haven't read any reports of Israeli children being targeted as it would be on the news around the clock! Secondly that's exactly what they call OUR children when they turn them int a deliberate target. And they brain wash even their own little satanist kids to do just that:

ahh aren't they adorable?

heard of the American turd who killed over 244 civilians? he was just on Bill O'Reilly. He called the Savages and Barbarians, women going to the market with their kids elderly etc. When O'Reilly said well what do they think of you, he said he didn't give a ****, and given O'Reilly's disposition to 'not able to kill all Muslims so we got to win hearts & minds' he was rather happy with his guest who had medals not taken for a trial for being war criminal. So what do you want? Exactly what do you want? Have you a clue how many Iraqi, Palestinian, Chechen, Bosnian, Afghani etc. etc. children killed up to date? Sure they call them collateral damage so what's your point? It is about avoidance of an ugly term in your book? Are you for real?

A lot of Muslims around here say that they are "Proud to be a Muslim" although Allah has clearly said in the Qur'an that he dislikes pride . Therefore all I was saying was that I am a thankful Muslim not a proud one.

This has no relevance to the topic nor the crap you spew.

I could say exactly the same thing to you.

You've been doing nothing but parroting stuff for the devil, so again what's your point?

[Jedi_Mindset]

very hard to find TRUE Mujahideen now-a-days. The likes of Hazrat Ali r.a and all. What you have today is brainwashed and emotional cowards who are so cowardly that instead of blowing themselves of up in a military base, they deliberately choose soft targets and kill women and children. However, those who give their lives reaching the military bases and actually kill the military, salute to them. They do not die. They live forever.

Atleast they've the courage and passion to fight the invaders, unlike you sitting behind the pc slandering and spewing propaganda against the mujahideen of our ummah who fight against oppressors and the hypocrites. May Allah(SWT) guide you. Ameen.

You are the result of a muslim who is believing in dajjal's propaganda and you wont get out of it until you help yourself, i hope the best for you Insha'Allah.

Regarding the mujahideen tactics qua blowing themselves up, we have no right to speak about on that let the scholars judge. I can't see if thats haram or permissible. But point is you are believing too much propaganda, the mujahideen aren't reponsible for civilian killings as the western media claims. infact have you heard about false flag operations with help of USA-puppet governments? So the mujahideen can be blamed? They did it many times in afghanistan and pakistan by placing car bombs nearby masjids and blamed the mujahideen for that while government-backed militia's were responsible for it.

U should be aware that 90% of the palestinians support hamas, the others support Fatah, but both have merged together now, what a glorious defeat towards the zionists Masha'Allah

[IslamicRevival]

I mean those who killed INNOCENT civilians.

You can mean what you want but the facts are 'Islamic Militants' do not target or deliberately kill innocent civilians, they aim for military bases/army personnel. Proof is in the number of illegal settlers killed, which is barely up to double figures

That's exactly why they should not fire them. Unless you know your targets are IDF, you are deliberately putting civilian lives at risk.

What about the Zionists who put the lives of thousands of Palestinians at risk? If they are wounded or killed, people of your ilk like to call it 'collateral damage' so whats the difference between them and Israeli's who's supposed lives are being put at risk?

Closing your eyes and firing a rocket doesn't make you any better than those who precisely aim at you.

Closing your eyes and aiming a rocket at the very people who are killing and oppressing you is better then staying silent.
You provoke a people, don't expect them to lie down and take it.

Very hard to find TRUE Mujahideen now-a-days. The likes of Haz rat Ali r.a and all. What you have today is brainwashed and emotional cowards who are so cowardly that instead of blowing themselves of up in a military base, they deliberately choose soft targets and kill women and children. However, those who give their lives reaching the military bases and actually kill the military, salute to them. They do not die. They live forever.

I agree to a certain extent. When i meant Mujahideen, i didn't mean Al Qaeda or Taliban per se as no one knows who they truly are..Only Allah knows..I meant the individuals who are unknown to us and who are fighting for their country with dignity, those are true Mujahideen.

[Jedi_Mindset]

I agree to a certain extent. When i meant Mujahideen, i didn't mean Al Qaeda or Taliban per se as no one knows who they truly are..Only Allah knows..I meant the individuals who are unknown to us and who are fighting for their country with dignity, those are true Mujahideen.

Taliban don't target civilians, i've visited their site which i won't post here :) But they've made it clear that they won't target civilians, all these false flag operations are done by western-backed militias or blackwater. Divide and conquer you get me?

[Roasted Cashew]

satanist kids

The hatred that you spew out is just outstanding. Anger and hatred only will bring upon your own downfall. We Muslims need to to learn how to manage our anger and emotions and make opinions with rational minds. People like you are the very problem with us - who are so engulfed in hatred that it is saddening. One should not throw stones at others if one lives in a greenhouse. Forget pictures, I can post videos here of Palestinian kids yelling Death to the Jews/Israelis and talking about martyrdom but I am not gonna do that.

heard of the American turd who killed over 244 civilians? he was just on Bill O'Reilly

I don't watch FOX News. Nor could I care what they have to say.

Have you a clue how many Iraqi, Palestinian, Chechen, Bosnian, Afghani etc. etc. children killed up to date?

Yes, I know. Why are you mentioning this. How is this relevant to Palestinian-Israel conflict we are talking abt. So Israeli civilians are responsible for the death of all of Muslim children all over the world??

[Roasted Cashew]

Taliban don't target civilians

Civilian to them is those who follow their strict version of radical Islam. If you don't have a beard or listen to music. You are no longer a civilian to them and legitimate targets. Pakistani Taliban have claimed responsibilities for a number of suicide attacks on Pakistani soil. So not sure what Taliban you are talking abt.

[IslamicRevival]

You have more Palestinian kids die because these so-called Mujahids hide around them when they run. Instead of fighting from the front they hide in civilian places and then cry foul.

Do you have any idea how populated Gaza is? Wherever the Mujahideen are, there will always be Men, women and children around! There's nowhere to hide as Gaza is like an open prison

All these false flag operations are done by western-backed militias or blackwater. Divide and conquer you get me?

Yes, Most bombings are likely to be false flag operations. Allah knows best

[جوري]

The hatred that you spew out is just outstanding. Anger and hatred only will bring upon your own downfall. We Muslims need to to learn how to manage our anger and emotions and make opinions with rational minds. People like you are the very problem with us - who are so engulfed in hatred that it is saddening. One should not throw stones at others if one lives in a greenhouse. Forget pictures, I can post videos here of Palestinian kids yelling Death to the Jews/Israelis and talking about martyrdom but I am not gonna do that.

Stating the obvious is hatred spewed in your book? I don't know of the brand of Islam you subscribe to but I have no desire to adhere to your version of events. You're engulfed with apathy and he who doesn't care for the affairs of the ummah or feels for the condition of Muslims isn't one of them. You shed tears over the hypothetical Israeli children killed but don't bat an eyelash when a filthy sniper takes out 244 civilians. You feel nothing because your heart is dead. So please don't come teach the rest of us how we should feel. You're no example to live by!

I don't watch FOX News. Nor could I care what they have to say.

Yes, I can see that and it explains why you're clueless!

Yes, I know. Why are you mentioning this. How is this relevant to Palestinian-Israel conflict we are talking abt. So Israeli civilians are responsible for the death of all of Muslim children all over the world??

Indeed they're.. the condition of Muslims including after the so-called Arab springs goes back to Amero/Israeli interests in the region.
Can you hold an independent thought that doesn't loan itself to some form of brain wash or premised from something someone else has written but taken to denote the opposite of what is factual?

[Roasted Cashew]

May Allah(SWT) guide you. Ameen.

Ameen. May Allah(SWT) guide us all to the right path. Ameen.

Atleast they've the courage and passion to fight the invaders

a select
Sadly we use our courage and passion only to fight. If we were smart and united we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. We Muslims brought this upon ourselves. SADDAM gassed his own people and was stupid enough to risk his country in front of America for his own ego. NOT SMART. The Taliban sheltered Osama knowing that America is after him and will do anything to get him. Had they given him up?? Just imagine. If the NOT SO SMART Taliban had given him up. There wouldn't have been any invasion. Our leaders endanger their whole population for a select few. Just to protect that ONE OSAMA, how many lives did we lose. A good leader would have been rational and would have thought about all the consequences.

We need to evolve through times. U know we are no longer the military might we once were. Let's do jihad with our intellect and with our minds instead of with swords. Once again, we need rational leaders. Look at the leaders that we had. MUBARAK in Egypt. Assad in Syria. Gadafi in Libya. SADDAM in Iraq. All iron fist dictators. Our leaders betrayed us. Nobody else.

[KDhieb]

Cashew, it doesn't require an individual to have any sort of high intellect to assess this situation as just complete atrocities being committed on the victims of Palestine. Forget the emotional aspect of this, just even from a simple rational perspective. Regardless of rockets or whatever else being thrown from the Palestinian side.. which i highly doubt commit even the slightest amount of damage that has been caused upon them... simple scenario : imagine individuals demolishing your house.... are you no longer the victim if you decide to defend yourself and not be a silent sheep ? i know each person is entitled to their own opinion but i just cannot comprehend how a person, especially a Muslim, can even see this from their brainwashed perspective...

[Jedi_Mindset]

.... remove this post

[Jedi_Mindset]

Ameen. May Allah(SWT) guide us all to the right path. Ameen.


a select
Sadly we use our courage and passion only to fight. If we were smart and united we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. We Muslims brought this upon ourselves. SADDAM gassed his own people and was stupid enough to risk his country in front of America for his own ego. NOT SMART. The Taliban sheltered Osama knowing that America is after him and will do anything to get him. Had they given him up?? Just imagine. If the NOT SO SMART Taliban had given him up. There wouldn't have been any invasion. Our leaders endanger their whole population for a select few. Just to protect that ONE OSAMA, how many lives did we lose. A good leader would have been rational and would have thought about all the consequences.

We need to evolve through times. U know we are no longer the military might we once were. Let's do jihad with our intellect and with our minds instead of with swords. Once again, we need rational leaders. Look at the leaders that we had. MUBARAK in Egypt. Assad in Syria. Gadafi in Libya. SADDAM in Iraq. All iron fist dictators. Our leaders betrayed us. Nobody else.

A jihad with mind and intellect won't help anymore either, our ummah is in great danger, we are oppressed by tyrants, its time to overthrow them, not just with words but action. The taliban didn't give up Osama bin laden (May Allah grant him highest rank of jannah. Ameen) because that would be a very big betrayal between brothers. Kinda nonsense you made this statement.

Saddam was always a puppet of USA, but during the first gulf war he attacked israel thats why they needed to replace him with other puppet(The current iraqi government is still on orders from USA)

They knew if saddam liberated saudi occupied arabia that no more oil would be transported towards israel and the west. I'm not a supporter of saddam, because he has done bad things. He was baathist either. so...

I agree with you that we brought this upon ourselves and we are paying for it now. We need to battle our ownself and prepare. Many muslims have thrown away this idea and are waiting for the mahdi. Its time now, not when he arrives.

The only thing i went against you is because u made some foolish statements and all can be rebuttled with some studies.

Civilian to them is those who follow their strict version of radical Islam. If you don't have a beard or listen to music. You are no longer a civilian to them and legitimate targets. Pakistani Taliban have claimed responsibilities for a number of suicide attacks on Pakistani soil. So not sure what Taliban you are talking abt.

Afghan taliban, but they are also divided in groups after the US invasion and the taliban is not the only resistance group there. they are divided per region/district. Pakistani taliban the same, there are western backed mercenaries but also true mujahids between them. radical islam is in my eyes a western joke. Or you follow islam or you dont. There is no ''moderate'' islam. Many Afghans are known for supporting taliban even women. Taliban didn't forbid girls going to school. U should read their statement against these lies.

Taliban was created during great turmoil after the soviets left. It started all when communist afghans suddenly attacked the muslims. These same communist afghans are in the police forces and Afghan army now.

[Roasted Cashew]

Cashew, it doesn't require an individual to have any sort of high intellect to assess this situation as just complete atrocities being committed on the victims of Palestine.

Dear Sis, I am not sure how did I give the impression that I don't recognize the atrocities being committed against the Palestinians. Never did I say anything like that. In fact, I greatly condemn such atrocities. I swear I cry I every time I see those videos on youtube. My only cry is that please do not be like those who oppress you. If they kill your children, do not do the same. That's all.

[Roasted Cashew]

we are oppressed by tyrants, its time to overthrow them

Saddam was always a puppet of USA

So you agree we Muslims need better leaders and not sell-outs. We brought this upon ourselves.

not just with words but action.

I agree, we need a balanced approach.

[Aprender]

We need to evolve through times. U know we are no longer the military might we once were. Let's do jihad with our intellect and with our minds instead of with swords. Once again, we need rational leaders. Look at the leaders that we had. MUBARAK in Egypt. Assad in Syria. Gadafi in Libya. SADDAM in Iraq. All iron fist dictators. Our leaders betrayed us. Nobody else.

I'm not Palestinian. Libyan. Iraqi or Egyptian. As a matter of fact, I grew up in the United States and as you know from a previous discussion that I had with you on the message board I used to be a journalist and report the news. Once I got my foot in the door at the major news networks and I saw just how clueless the journalists were about the situation at hand I began to question a lot of things. You know something is wrong when there are articles being put online that say one thing when you send them in by deadline but paint an entirely different picture by the time they are printed for the public to see. I'm not saying that every news article that comes out about this conflict is wrong but many of them that I read do in fact have an agenda.

But I suppose you won't listen to anything that I say either because I am a woman and you don't value my opinion or simply because I had a change of heart while actually working with some of the major news networks in the U.S. I never shared my revert story on this message board but I used to hate Islam and I used to hate Muslims. I thought that the U.S. could do no wrong and that Palestinians had no right to that land and they were all terrorists. Much of this I learned from watching news networks and being indoctrinated to believe this in public schools that all "Islamists" are bad and oppressive and I felt sorry for anyone who was a Muslim--especially the women.

Now, it's actually been a little over 1 year since I became a Muslim, alhamdulillah, and I do have a background in international politics with an emphasis especially on areas of intelligence within the agencies. My dear brother you have to be very blind if you think that it was simply those "leaders" who failed the people. Do you realize that in order to protect the U.S. interests, this country has the power to put people in office who will comply to what they want? It is no secret and the U.S. takes pride in it. I used to marvel at how much power the U.S. has on the global political landscape and I actually wanted to work for one of the agencies to help rid the world of Islam and other religions or countries that try to get in the way. Astagfirullah.

But after I learned about the Israeli-Palestianian conflict I realized that something was very wrong with my views and that there was an entire side of the story that I really had no idea about. It set in and burned into my brain even more after I visited the holocaust museum in D.C. because I saw some similarities between the stories of the people who lived to tell it there and what was happening in Palestine. It simply wasn't right.

I guess the problem that I have with what you're saying as a Muslim is that it's a lot of what I said in my days of ignorance. I understand that intelligence and not the sword should be used to fight against the occupation of Palestine but I don't think you have any right to post on this message board and say they're not smart for even using the sword because you're not in that position. Do you really think you would not jump to take up arms if your family was killed by some arrogant soldier? Even though I consider myself a calm person I can't even say that I would fight with my intellect from the start. I feel for them now more than I ever had in the past now that I became a Muslim and I cry for them knowing what is happening and knowing that I am in no position to help at this point and time. It is something about this Ummah that I am now apart of to make me feel such strong emotions for people that I don't know...

Yeah, you're right about the intellect. But it makes no sense to me why you would bash them when there is an entire country that should KNOW BETTER than to even think of oppressing an entire group of people like this! Especially after what happened to them. There is no excuse. Even the UN knows it.

I guess I just don't feel comfortable with you is all, Cashew. If some federal agency came to pick me up from a picnic in the park with sisters from the masjid alleging I was involved in some type of terror activity earlier that day even though you saw me earlier that day at the exact time and place they said that it happened because the masjid took everyone out for a hike that morning, I feel like you'd point them right over to arrest me simply because they said I did it despite that fact that you saw me and you knew that I didn't do it. I feel like you would believe them over me and even what your own eyes see.

[جوري]

^^^ you know that African American convert brothers whose lectures I posted here and linked you to (a former military man) is now taken in on terrorism charges. Just google him. I think some 'Muslims' here think that if they become 'moderates' whatever that term entails, that somehow they're exempt. The Fellow teaches Arabic and Fiqh.. so you tell me what crime this father of 12 committed? It is just a matter of time before they make it illegal to be Muslim.. How many more of our rights should we give up for the sons of pigs to be satisfied?..

[Scimitar]

I used to work in the media too, and what Aprender has said is the absolute truth.

Scimi

[Txyib]

salaam muslim brothers and sisters
i hope that i am not offending anyone but don't you think that this is a sign towards qiyamah? think about about it,allah mentions that near the end of the world muslims will fight muslims due to weak imaan and the non muslims will take over,is that not true!!? egypt,libya,syria and more are fighting , however some are good who are trying to defend the ummah and fighting for the right whereas some people would have died for the presedent in libya i think and used to worship him instead of allah as they think he is better! astaghfurullah, how can these people be so cold hearted????:raging:

My point is that maybe this is a sign towards day of qiyamah (muslims imaan is getting weaker , people dont know what is right and what is wrong, etc) and maybe imam mahdi may appear sooner or later,because nearly all the MINOR signs towards day of qiyamah have happened
wasalam

[Roasted Cashew]

But I suppose you won't listen to anything that I say either because I am a woman and you don't value my opinion

Sis, where did that come from?? Can u just share with me one line that I posted that led you to that conclusion. I am not sure why people on this board make broad assumptions on their own.

my revert story

SubhanAllah. I am glad Allah(SWT) guided you to the right path.

why you would bash them

Sister, I did not bash anyone. Their fight for their homeland is legitimate. All I said was that they should target the IDF's and spare the civilians. I am not sure why saying that stirs up so much emotion here on this board. Everyone here thinks as long as you are an Israeli, you deserve to die.

[Roasted Cashew]

Do you have any idea how populated Gaza is? Wherever the Mujahideen are, there will always be Men, women and children around! There's nowhere to hide as Gaza is like an open prison

Again, if these Mujahideen were lead by rational and able leaders this wouldn't have happened. This is basic warfare. You do not attack the enemy from a civilian location because it endangers the population if the enemy retaliates. Seems to me the Mujahideen are using the civilians as tools for their own propaganda. Not so noble after all.

[Roasted Cashew]

Indeed they're.. the condition of Muslims including after the so-called Arab springs goes back to Amero/Israeli interests in the region.

I said Israeli civilians. Not American/Israeli interests. There is a difference.

[Abz2000]

You do not attack the enemy from a civilian location because it endangers the population if the enemy retaliates.

oh, so u now agree that anywhere in the u.s is a legitimate target since they control drones from there?

[Roasted Cashew]

oh, so u now agree that anywhere in the u.s is a legitimate target since they control drones from there?

Absolutely NOT. The drones are not controlled from a location near to schools, hospitals or any civilian infrastructure. They are controlled from military bases. Anyway, you got this all wrong. I did not say that since Mujahideen target IDF from civilian locations, civilians are legitimate targets. It is just that there are chances more civilians will die as a result of "collateral damage". I just said that the Mujahideen need to change their strategies if they really want to inflict more harm to the enemy rather than be on the receiving end of it.

[جوري]

I said Israeli civilians. Not American/Israeli interests. There is a difference.

We've already discussed that the army is conscript of the people. Did that part not register? furthermore, they have absolutely no rights to that land, political or biblical, for even Abraham (PBUH) who was originally from Iraq with Yemeni ancestry i.e a middle easterner through and through which is more than any of those European Jews can claim still purchased a land in which to bury his wife Sarah from the people of Canaan. He didn't say oh people this land belongs to me. So where the heck do you get off calling them civilians? You're a hoot! They're all colonialists & should be fought or go back to the countries that housed them or live in Palestine under Islamic law like the Christians of the land do.
Do you read outside of the corporate news that has apparently so brainwashed you?

[Abz2000]

Absolutely NOT. The drones are not controlled from a location near to schools, hospitals or any civilian infrastructure. They are controlled from military bases. Anyway, you got this all wrong.

really? u seem to know where they're operated from and are even willing to go as far as vouching for them

Drone Warfare In Yemen By Stephen Lendman 4-29-12

Predator drones sanitize killing on the cheap compared to manned aircraft and ground troops. Teams of remote warriors work far from, and at times, closer to battlefields. Drone pilots operate computer keyboards and multiple monitors. Sensor staff work with them. They handle TV and infrared cameras, as well as other high-tech drone sensors. Faceless enemies nearby or half a world away are attacked. Virtual war kills like sport. At day's end, home-based operators head there for dinner, relaxation, family time, then a good night sleep before another day guiding weapons with joysticks and monitors like computer games. Dozens of drone command centers operate worldwide. Dozens more are planned. Pentagon and CIA personnel run them. Some are bare bones. Climate-controlled trailers work fine. They operate effectively anywhere. They maintain constant radio contact with command centers.

{Or do those in whose hearts is disease think that Allaah would never expose their [feelings of] hatred?
And if We willed, We could show them to you, and you would know them by their mark;
but you will surely know them by the tone of [their] speech. And Allaah knows your deeds.}
[Quran 47: 29-30]

They are the ones who ally themselves with disbelievers instead of believers. Are they seeking dignity with them?
All dignity belongs with GOD alone.
Quran 4:139

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ جَاهِدِ الْكُفَّارَ وَالْمُنَافِقِينَ وَاغْلُظْ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ وَمَأْوَاهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ ۖ وَبِئْسَ الْمَصِيرُ

O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Strive hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be harsh against them,
their abode is Hell, - and worst indeed is that destination.
Quran 9:73

[Aprender]

Sis, where did that come from?? Can u just share with me one line that I posted that led you to that conclusion. I am not sure why people on this board make broad assumptions on their own.

Unfortunately that entire thread was deleted or else I would have dug it back up again. We got into a debate about media bias and you made it seem as if I didn't know what I am talking about because you read the news despite my having degrees in media and having worked in the journalism business with people who warned about and spoke against this in reporting. It is part of the reason why I walked away from it. I remember a few years ago I was taking a class with a few people from the UAE and a journalist from the NY Times wrote an article about some workers from India living in slums in a neighborhood. One of the members of my group lived around the corner from that exact neighborhood that the journalist described. He wanted to try and help them but when he went over there he saw nothing. There was no one and nothing like what was described in the story.

The story made it seem like the UAE was making all these guest workers live in harsh conditions in some type of land field with no water and food yet the journalist got zero audio, no photos to go with the story. Maybe the reporter got the address wrong, but it's obvious that the editors didn't bother checking to see if the story was true. They just went with it.

All I said was that they should target the IDF's and spare the civilians. I am not sure why saying that stirs up so much emotion here on this board. Everyone here thinks as long as you are an Israeli, you deserve to die.

Brother, if that was all you're saying then surely other members on here wouldn't be making so many points about the things you say here on the forum. You like to say they should fight with intellect but when they tried to do that to get Palestine recognized as a state at the UN they got denied. There are just so many layers here and it just goes so deep.

In terms of making broad assumptions, I don't think everyone on this forum believes that if you are an Israeli that you should die. :hmm:

[Abz2000]

Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew

All I said was that they should target the IDF's and spare the civilians. I am not sure why saying that stirs up so much emotion here on this board. Everyone here thinks as long as you are an Israeli, you deserve to die.

oh really???
i thought you said they should be either victims or aggressors?
or maybe my eyes deceive me.

Palestinians need to understand that either you are the victim or the aggressor.
If you choose to be someone in between these two, then you are not helping your cause and you are making it difficult for the world to openly support your cause.
If you want to be seen as the victim, then stop the rockets and attacks. Give the world NOTHING to point back at you.

[IslamicRevival]

Cashew has been well and trully roasted, You should quit before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole.

[جوري]

By God I hate when we gang up on a person but I just can't make sense of what he writes..

[Roasted Cashew]

We've already discussed that the army is conscript of the people. Did that part not register? furthermore, they have absolutely no rights to that land, political or biblical, for even Abraham (PBUH) who was originally from Iraq with Yemeni ancestry i.e a middle easterner through and through which is more than any of those European Jews can claim still purchased a land in which to bury his wife Sarah from the people of Canaan. He didn't say oh people this land belongs to me. So where the heck do you get off calling them civilians? You're a hoot! They're all colonialists & should be fought or go back to the countries that housed them or live in Palestine under Islamic law like the Christians of the land do.
Do you read outside of the corporate news that has apparently so brainwashed you?

This is off topic. What here supports your claim that Israeli civilians are responsible for the deaths of all Muslim children in the world as you first stated. Again and again you bring in things that are irrelevant to the question posed at you.

[Roasted Cashew]

really? u seem to know where they're operated from and are even willing to go as far as vouching for them

It's general knowledge not some top secret. I am personally against drone attacks and have never supported them.

[جوري]

This is off topic. What here supports your claim that Israeli civilians are responsible for the deaths of all Muslim children in the world as you first stated. Again and again you bring in things that are irrelevant to the question posed at you.

Where did I say that ALL Israeli civilians are responsible for ALL Muslim children deaths in the world?
maybe a break really is due you until you get yourself together.. maybe come back with a different SN and avy so we don't enter your threads of per-conceived notions of what to expect.

best,

[Roasted Cashew]

oh really???
i thought you said they should be either victims or aggressors?
or maybe my eyes deceive me.

Maybe they do. You are not the aggressor if you fight for your right. You are an aggressor when in that fight you transgress(for example kill civilians) and Allah(SWT) does not like transgressors. I think I have made that clear in my earlier posts as where do I stand on this issue.

[Roasted Cashew]

Cashew has been well and trully roasted,

My name already has "roasted" in it. If you really wanted to poke fun you could have tried "this roasted cashew got burnt" ;D

[IslamicRevival]

My name already has "roasted" in it. If you really wanted to poke fun you could have tried "this roasted cashew got burnt" ;D

Probably the best post you've written so far, it makes sense too. Well done :)

[Roasted Cashew]

Where did I say that ALL Israeli civilians are responsible for ALL Muslim children deaths in the world?

Go and check post #72. And I quote below:

The question:

Yes, I know. Why are you mentioning this. How is this relevant to Palestinian-Israel conflict we are talking abt. So Israeli civilians are responsible for the death of all of Muslim children all over the world??

Your response:

Indeed they're.. the condition of Muslims including after the so-called Arab springs goes back to Amero/Israeli interests in the region.
Can you hold an independent thought that doesn't loan itself to some form of brain wash or premised from something someone else has written but taken to denote the opposite of what is factual?

I am off to sleep now. Maybe you need some rest too. And I say that with all due respect.

[Roasted Cashew]

Probably the best post you've written so far, it makes sense too. Well done :)

HEHE! :lol:

[Abz2000]

You are not the aggressor if you fight for your right. You are an aggressor when in that fight you transgress(for example kill civilians) and Allah(SWT) does not like transgressors.

glad that's resolved,

hamas have said that they target illegal occupiers and soldiers and not civilians,

and they can't be blamed for a few loose cannons over which they hold no control since they don't control the territory, nor the innumerable checkpoints set up all over the place just to cause distress to the palestinians.
even israeli soldiers have gone on record saying that totally unjustified checkpoints had been set up in the middle of a village and people would be made to stand in queues for hours on end just to get to work.
they have also held ambulances for no reason where people have died waiting at checkpoints through their own villages,

what would any human being with any remnant of dignity do when faced with such tyranny and humiliation?
these aren't the people with the mentality of slaves under pharaoh who would taunt Moses (pbuh) for leading them to freedom from slavery just because there were no meat pots or garlic.
nor the type who would tattle and betray Moses to be sentenced to death despite him having fought for them the day before.
they bow before none but Almighty God and God gives them a sense of dignity.

do you know how bitter it must feel to be allowed to walk along your own street after six years and still feel a sense of relief and joy while settler armies point guns at you?

[جوري]

I am off to sleep now. Maybe you need some rest too. And I say that with all due respect.

The statement of absolution was made by you. I refrain from terms like ALL or None, I don't take what you write with more than a grain of salt hence I skim over most of it, You should quote my comment in context :

the condition of Muslims including after the so-called Arab springs goes back to Amero/Israeli interests in the region.

And no I don't need to get rest at 6:48 on a Sunday especially when I am having such fun using dry heat...

best

[Roasted Cashew]

hamas have said that they target illegal occupiers and soldiers and not civilians

I hope this is true.

and they can't be blamed for a few loose cannons

Hamas then should strictly distance themselves from these factions which transgress and being in charge of the government punish these loose cannons so that it sends a clear message to these factions and to the world as to where does Hamas stand.

[Roasted Cashew]

You should quote my comment in context

I think, I did quote the whole response. Anyway, not a big issue. We all forget. You asked me where did you say it?? And I told you where. That's basically all there is to it.

I am having such fun

glad you are having fun since most of the time you are angry or sad.

[جوري]

glad you are having fun since most of the time you are angry or sad.

when did you strike a tent and get a crystal ball? Ma shaa Allah you've so many talents perhaps that's why you can't do any one thing right. try to hone in your abilities on just one thing and perfect it you might not find yourself being owned on the forum by 90% of the members sadly the otherwise 100% you're meant to identify with & Almost every time you write!
At the end of the day your psychic abilities from your Russian/Pakistani alcove isn't what's going to grant you entry to the station to rat out fellow Muslims nor is a talent with which to meet your lord!

As for the first part of your comment I can't be made responsible for the 'All' you desire as a focus nor how you misconstrue intent & half quote thereafter!

Best

[Roasted Cashew]

when did you strike a tent and get a crystal ball?

Well, one doesn't need a crystal ball to figure that out. The general tone and attitude of your posts give away most of it.

being owned on the forum by 90% of the members sadly the otherwise 100% you're meant to identify with & Almost every time you write!

maybe we are not on the same forum...and btw I don't write to get likes or recognition from fellow Muslims on this forum. All I need for that is to curse the Israelis and the Americans and voila my reputation would be skyrocketing. I write what is right and if that strikes a nerve with my fellow Muslims, then so be it.

[جوري]

Well, one doesn't need a crystal ball to figure that out. The general tone and attitude of your posts give away most of it.

As stated you don't strike me personally as getting much of anything correct from your record with everyone furthermore any of my moods or affects shouldn't otherwise cause you symptoms!

maybe we are not on the same forum...and btw I don't write to get likes or recognition from fellow Muslims on this forum. All I need for that is to curse the Israelis and the Americans and voila my reputation would be skyrocketing. I write what is right and if that strikes a nerve with my fellow Muslims, then so be it.

as the saying goes so long as you're getting some reinforcement positive or negative I guess it shouldn't matter to someone in your level of expertise I don't expect altruism or truth or outrage at the miscarriage of justice to play any factor in how you think or what you write. You're only a nut after all!

Best

[Roasted Cashew]

I don't expect altruism or truth or outrage at the miscarriage of justice to play any factor

obviously it does but I am not biased and not blinded by anger and hatred that I don't see the wrongs and atrocities of my Muslims at all.

You're only a nut after all!

:p Love the pun intended. :hiding:

[جوري]

obviously it does but I am not biased and not blinded by anger and hatred that I don't see the wrong and atrocities of my Muslims at all.

that's unfortunate as you lack the concept of cause & effect/ action & reaction aggressor or victim. So we are already starting from two different platforms. You create a rhetoric rather than solve it. And problems can't be solved eith the same level of thinking that created them. At least you're keeping your sense of humor at the end of the day it's the second best defense mechanism.

[Roasted Cashew]

that's unfortunate as you lack the concept of cause & effect/ action & reaction aggressor or victim.

Look, this Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not something which started yesterday or day before yesterday. Their initial reaction is not what I am talking about. NOW, don't you think they need to rethink their approach. Obviously whatever they have been doing has not translated into results.

[Scimitar]

"Oh Ummah, for how much longer?"

at this rate? it's gonna take forever. Stop fighting.

Scimi

[جوري]

NOW, don't you think they need to rethink their approach. Obviously whatever they have been doing has not translated into results.

& what do you propose be done when as we write Israel is going ahead with illegal settlements. Literally handing eviction notices to Palestinians and coming in with demolition balls to claim everything from Jerusalem to the west bank in defiance of all laws, the same laws they're so apt at crying out when broken (if ever) while they're funded by every organization and tax dollar to carry out their plans and at the same time stop any form of aid coming in to the Palestinians.
Honestly where do you get off making the comments you do? Are you clueless or a just traitorous? You don't even have to be Muslim to see what's wrong with this picture. Or how the proposed two state solution is going to work in this particular situation if Israel says one thing and does another?
Lastly The Prophet said: If one of you sees something evil he should change it with his hand. If he cannot, he should speak out against it, and if he cannot do even that he should at least detest it in his heart, this being the weakest form of faith (Sahih of Muslim).

if you think this is a popularity contest and garnering the most votes then rest assured outside this forum you'd probably be applauded by your fellow Zionists and their poodles with high Kudos. It is always more difficult to stand for the right thing as I understand it.

best,

[Roasted Cashew]

as we write Israel is going ahead with illegal settlements. Literally handing eviction notices to Palestinians and coming in with demolition balls to claim everything from Jerusalem to the west bank in defiance of all laws

EXACTLY. So have their rockets stopped Israel from building more illegal settlements? Clearly as you would agree, NO! I would suggest you play their game instead playing into their game. Their most powerful tool is media. First thing first, stop feeding their media. You are not helping your cause with headlines that read Hamas fired 100 rockets into Israel. People read that much and make their opinion. They don't go online and research. Why is there so much sympathy in the world for JEWS? Because when the Jews were being killed by the Nazis, the Jews weren't firing back rockets. Now, they rule the world.

Obviously I am not suggesting Palestinians let the Israelis kill them. Not at all. We are Muslims and we will fight for our right. It's just that, in our times, we need to change our strategies and our approach. . Mujahideen who still think they can achieve their goals with swords alone have got it wrong. They need strategists, think tanks, lobbyers, etc. It's a different ball game altogether.

[Abz2000]

yeah, let's write ehud barak and say: please man



Those to whom they (hypocrites) said, "Indeed, the people have gathered against you, so fear them."
But it [merely] increased them in faith, and they said,
"Sufficient for us is Allah , and [He is] the best Disposer of affairs."
Quran 3:173

[Aprender]

Obviously I am not suggesting Palestinians let the Israelis kill them. Not at all. We are Muslims and we will fight for our right. It's just that, in our times, we need to change our strategies and our approach. . Mujahideen who still think they can achieve their goals with swords alone have got it wrong. They need strategists, think tanks, lobbyers, etc. It's a different ball game altogether.

And how do you propose they do that? Tell me how can they get the funds together to fight in Washington D.C. with think tanks and lobbyists that cost money, and I'm talking tens of millions here, if they can't even get their houses together? I'm very interested to hear your ideas since you say the Jews already rule the world. So how exactly are they going to get their foot in the door with this? What's the plan brother?

I can tell you right now if you went to Capitol Hill talking about freeing Palestine and Israel is oppressing people and violating international laws they'll just look at you like you're stupid and laugh as you walk out of the room embarrassed.

[Roasted Cashew]

how can they get the funds together

Muslim Ummah if they care so much wouldn't they help them out?? I would with as much as I can.

What's the plan brother?

I was merely suggesting. If I had a plan, I would have shared. I was not pointing at myself when I said they need to hire strategists and think tanks. I am sure there are capable Palestinians or other Muslims out there with brains smart enough. They just need to be lead by someone who knows how to utilize them.

I can tell you right now if you went to Capitol Hill talking about freeing Palestine and Israel is oppressing people and violating international laws they'll just look at you like you're stupid and laugh as you walk out of the room embarrassed.

Obviously, it is not an overnight process. It will take time. There are those who have expertise in this field. They need to be hired. They will know what to propose and what to talk and how not to walk out embarrassed.

Anyway, how do you think the Palestinians should approach their ordeal. Do you think Hamas's approach has been fruitful? You are obviously more well-versed in politics and world affairs than I am. Would love to hear your suggestions.

[Roasted Cashew]

since you say the Jews already rule the world

That was an exaggeration to get my point across. More of a metaphor. Not to be taken literally.

[Jedi_Mindset]

i'm in no way defending assad, but look at these scholars brainwashing the oppostion groups in syria that its permissible for them to kill alawite women and children. Wahhabis *facepalm*





Can anyone see it now? That the zionists want to incite secterian wars between muslims? its not a little monopoly game, this is gonna be really nasty. And when things are going to get really... nasty that the ''superhero'' called US will invade?

Al-assad is bad, the syrians have every right to throw him out but not this way, not western backed.

[Periwinkle18]

i would suggest u guys stop fighting sis lamees theres no point in arguing sis if ur rite n leave the argument inshaAllah Allah will give u a house in the center of jannah inshaAllah

[Abz2000]

You are not helping your cause with headlines that read Hamas fired 100 rockets into Israel.

lol, if hamas didn't fire any rockets, the palestinian issue probably wouldn't even be ON THE LAMESTREAM NEWS.
and you wouldn't be talking about it now, they'd just suffer in silence while you sat at your rocket stove roasting cashews while watching glenn beck, while the rest of us scoured alternative sites for real news.

Muslim Ummah if they care so much wouldn't they help them out?? I would with as much as I can.

ummm, there are hundreds of non violent activist organisations that are doing just that, wen was the last time you contributed other than trashing them for their efforts?

and btw, wen you speak of lobbying, it's a bit like spitting at the crow on the telegraph pole, because you're trying to lobby the opposition agents themselves and not a neutral party. the operative word here is "institutionalized" .

[Abz2000]

"I am a Zionist," Conservative Party leader David Cameron told an audience of party supporters of Israel in London on Tuesday.
"If what you mean by Zionist, is someone who believes that the Jews have a right to a homeland in Israel and a right to their country then, yes, I am a Zionist and I'm proud of the fact that Conservative politicians down the ages have played a huge role in helping to bring this about,"

http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/Pri....aspx?id=64803

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Britain to abstain on Palestine statehood vote at UN
David Cameron, the prime minister, has stepped back from a confrontation with the United States and Israel by refusing to support a United Nations vote recognising a Palestinian state.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ote-at-UN.html

In a study of BBC television news coverage,
the Glasgow Media Group documented differences in the language used by journalists for Israelis and Palestinians.
The study found that terms such as "atrocity," "brutal murder," "mass murder," "savage cold blooded killing," "lynching" and "slaughter"
were used describe the death of Israelis but not for the death of Palestinians.
The word "terrorist" was often used to describe Palestinians.
However, in reports of an Israeli group attempting to bomb a Palestinian school
members of the Israeli group were referred to as "extremists" or "vigilantes" but not as "terrorists."

[Abz2000]

In a 2001 study done by FAIR, only 4% of the US media mentioned that an occupation by Israel is occurring.
In an update to the study, the number has reportedly gone down to only 2% of the media mentioning an occupation.
The 2001 figure is also seen in the documentary Peace, Propaganda and the Promised Land.

and on top of that, there are still many fox news type viewers who believe that the occupied territories are illegally occupied by palestinians! and that the "settlers" are palestinians. due to the lack of detail when using the term combined with villification of the palestinians as "terrorists",
but they usually use the term "neighbourhood" in place of "illegal settlement" anyway............


Americans believe Palestinians are the illegal settlers in West Bank
-- a confusion OK with US media

In a new study of media coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, a group of American college students was asked, "Who is occupying the occupied territories, and what nationality are the settlers?" Fairly simple questions, but only 29 percent knew the correct answers. The Israelis are both the occupiers and the settlers.

Some thought the Palestinians occupy the occupied territories, but the Israelis are the settlers. Others thought the Israelis occupy the occupied territories, but the Palestinians are the settlers. A smaller number thought the Palestinians were both the settlers and the occupiers. The rest simply could not answer.

The study points out that the Americans questioned were journalism and media students and some had even done projects on the Israeli-Palestinian issue. So their answers clearly overstated the public's level of knowledge about the Middle East.

As a journalist who has spent almost four decades reporting on world affairs and especially the Middle East, I was not surprised. I learned long ago that you cannot underestimate the level of understanding of the general public.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in630386.shtml

[Jedi_Mindset]

Israel vows more force against Gaza if…

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vows escalation of Israel’s acts of aggression against the Gaza Strip at -- what he calls -- Tel Aviv’s discretion.


Netanyahu made the remarks during a weekly cabinet meeting in Jerusalem (al-Quds) on Sunday evening after the regime’s military killed over a dozen people in the coastal strip over the past week, AFP reported.

He said that “if necessary, it (the military) will act with even more force.”

Israeli airstrikes have killed at least 16 Palestinian since Monday. Dozens of Palestinians have also been injured in the assaults.

Palestinian resistance movement Hamas has threatened to end an Egypt-brokered truce with Tel Aviv if the Israeli aggression against the besieged enclave continues.

The Tel Aviv regime has been recurrently bombarding Gaza ever since its 22-day war on the impoverished territory in December 2008 and January 2009, which killed more than 1,400 Palestinians and inflicted a damage of USD 1.6 billion on the region's already-stagnant economy.

The offensives are often launched under the usual pretext of responding to the purported firing of rockets from the direction of Gaza.

This is while the home-made projectiles seldom leave any casualties or considerable damage to property.

The Israeli hostility rages on, while Tel Aviv refuses to lift an all-out blockade it imposed on Gaza in mid-June 2007.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/24/247805/israel-vows-more-force-gaza/


They just cant stop, looks like they want to scare the hell out of the palestinians and expel them, but even after the 2009 genocide the palestinians remained strong.

[sofiap]

Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (for the right); they rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right (3:113-115 AYA).

[Abz2000]

It looks like they colluded with the treacherous u.s funded scaf to use gaza as a bargaining chip to make the brotherhood accept the concessions.

[Jedi_Mindset]

Is this serious?

Muslim Brotherhood: Israel-Egypt peace treaty will stand

By Jennifer Lipman, June 25, 2012

Mohammed Morsi

Quote:
The newly-elected Egyptian president has vowed to maintain the peace treaty with Israel signed more than 30 years ago.

Supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood were celebrating this weekend after the Islamist party's candidate, Mohammed Morsi, was declared the victor in the runoff election.

The once-banned party has said that it would protect the treaty but also suggested that it would call for modifications to it.

President Mohammed Morsi said he would "preserve international accords and obligations" after the result was announced.

Israeli officials offered cautious congratulations to the new president. "Israel appreciates the democratic process in Egypt and respects its outcome", said a spokesman.

"Israel expects to continue co-operation with the Egyptian government on the basis of the peace agreement between the two countries," said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. "It is of interest to the two peoples and contributes to regional stability."

The peace treaty was signed in 1979 and its existence is considered a cornerstone of Israel's security policy.

Britain's Foreign Secretary, William Hague, said he wished Mr Morsi success, but called for the new government "to stand for national unity and reconciliation, to build bridges across Egyptian society and to uphold human rights, including the rights of women and religious minorities, and the rule of law".

In Gaza, which is bordered by Egypt, the Brotherhood's success was also a cause for celebration, although reports said one person was killed by celebratory gunfire.

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh called the election result "a victory for all Arabs and Muslims".

"This is God's promise to his believers," he said.
http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/69199/muslim-brotherhood-israel-egypt-peace-treaty-will-stand