Saudi man faces death calls after prophet tweets

[CosmicPathos]

Riyadh: A young Saudi journalist is facing calls for his execution after tweeting remarks about the Prophet Mohammed, and the kingdom's top clerics are demanding his trial after denouncing him as an "apostate."

On the occasion of the Muslim prophet's birthday last week, 23-year-old Hamza Kashgari tweeted: "I have loved things about you and I have hated things about you and there is a lot I don't understand about you."

"I will not pray for you," he added.

Insulting the prophet is considered blasphemous in Islam, and is a crime punishable by death.

Kashgari quickly apologised for his remarks, but the calls for his execution only multiplied.

A Facebook page entitled "The Saudi people demand Hamza Kashgari's execution" already has nearly 10,000 members.

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[Who Am I?]

Well...

... I too used to hate the Prophet, and I used to hate Muslims. I once insulted and blasphemed the Prophet, which is a crime punishable by death.

This was before I accepted Islam, but would I still be held accountable for those words now, I wonder?

[Abz2000]

no, you wont brother,
Islam erases all past deeds as Allah wills and leaves a believer with a clean slate, leave only the lessons learnt from the faults and mistakes.
Umar (ra) wanted to kill the Prophet (pbuh), he was made our respected leader after he became a pioneer of truth.
this guy seems to be claiming to be Muslim and knowingly supporting the anti-Islamic cause, journalists are often the first assets acquired in intelligence and propaganda wars.
i feel it may be a lot deeper than just tweets but Allah knows best.

[Who Am I?]

no, you wont brother,
Islam erases all past deeds as Allah wills and leaves a believer with a clean slate, leave only the lessons learnt from the faults and mistakes.
Umar (ra) wanted to kill the Prophet (pbuh), he was made our respected leader after he became a pioneer of truth.
this guy seems to be claiming to be Muslim and knowingly supporting the anti-Islamic cause, journalists are often the first assets acquired in intelligence and propaganda wars.
i feel it may be a lot deeper than just tweets but Allah knows best.

Well it sounds like this guy is a part of the vast worldwide conspiracy... that's about all I can say, really.

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[CosmicPathos]

Atheism in Saudi is very strong. Almost 50% of Saudi youth are atheists.

The Arab Spring was also driven by Atheist Arabs.

It seems in next 100 years, most of the Muslim world will be atheistic and secular in nature. its good that Ill be dead before that.

[Muslim Woman]

:sl:


what's the ruling about this matter ? If he offers his repentance before judge , still he will be considered as a sinner & deserve the punishment ??

[إحسان]

Atheism in Saudi is very strong. Almost 50% of Saudi youth are atheists.

The Arab Spring was also driven by Atheist Arabs.

It seems in next 100 years, most of the Muslim world will be atheistic and secular in nature. its good that Ill be dead before that.

That is a pretty huge assumption you're making. Don't spout lies without evidence. How the heck would you know if 50% of the youth in Saudi are atheists? Ridiculous. As a Saudi I'm outraged, how can one conduct this survey anyway if publicly stating you're atheist in Saudi Arabia leads to execution. You won't get the correct figures at all...

And the Arab Spring was NOT driven by Athiest Arabs! The millions calling for an Islamic government are non Muslims then? How about those strong Tunisians who defeated their tyrant of a president who now are happy to hear the Azans loud and clear in their streets? Are they atheists too? Your whole post is slightly ridiculous...

People always seem to downplay the future of Muslimeen, we should do our best in this generation so the following generation can benefit. We're hold responsible.

[GuestFellow]

Salaam,

Atheism in Saudi is very strong. Almost 50% of Saudi youth are atheists.

How do you know? o_o

[CosmicPathos]

Salaam,



How do you know? o_o

cuz i grew up there

cuz u can see them on net

yea, i dont have official stats. but the prob is severe enough, and thats why king abdullah approached yahood and christians to combat "atheism".
http://www.christianpost.com/news/sa...ialogue-31665/

[CosmicPathos]

That is a pretty huge assumption you're making. Don't spout lies without evidence. How the heck would you know if 50% of the youth in Saudi are atheists? Ridiculous. As a Saudi I'm outraged, how can one conduct this survey anyway if publicly stating you're atheist in Saudi Arabia leads to execution. You won't get the correct figures at all...

And the Arab Spring was NOT driven by Athiest Arabs! The millions calling for an Islamic government are non Muslims then? How about those strong Tunisians who defeated their tyrant of a president who now are happy to hear the Azans loud and clear in their streets? Are they atheists too? Your whole post is slightly ridiculous...

People always seem to downplay the future of Muslimeen, we should do our best in this generation so the following generation can benefit. We're hold responsible.

well I didnt mean to outrage you. But the truth is out there. Your country is in conflict between secularists (many of whom are exmuslims) and conservatives. Of course Muslims are in power right now, but for how long? what will happen when religious run out of oil? science service based industry will take over, and that is the game of the atheists.

[إحسان]

well I didnt mean to outrage you. But the truth is out there. Your country is in conflict between secularists (many of whom are exmuslims) and conservatives. Of course Muslims are in power right now, but for how long? what will happen when religious run out of oil? science service based industry will take over, and that is the game of the atheists.

:hmm:

To what you said to Tragic Typos, 'cuz you see them on net' YEAHH RIGHT. Absolute nonsense ahaha, do you visit Arabic forums? Esp. those that are of Saudi majority? Like eqla3 and hawaaworld which are THE biggest Khaleeji forums... I don't see anything about athiesm there...

And of course there's some (very little I'd say) athiests, but they're not big in number. Perhaps more agnostics... But I can't see them dominating over Muslims. But seriously there's no place where EVERYONE in a country is religious or in this case PRACTISING Muslim.

And what do you mean, 'for how long?' ... There's no mention of the rest of Arabia but Makkah and Madinah SITUATED in current Saudi Arabia will NEVER be conquered by other faiths EVEN the Dajjal, the Antichrist... So the thought of Saudi Arabia having problems in the future due to Atheism is very unlikely.

Have a little more faith in Saudi Arabia, Makkah and Madinah are there okay?

[CosmicPathos]

:hmm:

To what you said to Tragic Typos, 'cuz you see them on net' YEAHH RIGHT. Absolute nonsense ahaha, do you visit Arabic forums? Esp. those that are of Saudi majority? Like eqla3 and hawaaworld which are THE biggest Khaleeji forums... I don't see anything about athiesm there...

And of course there's some (very little I'd say) athiests, but they're not big in number. Perhaps more agnostics... But I can't see them dominating over Muslims. But seriously there's no place where EVERYONE in a country is religious or in this case PRACTISING Muslim.

And what do you mean, 'for how long?' ... There's no mention of the rest of Arabia but Makkah and Madinah SITUATED in current Saudi Arabia will NEVER be conquered by other faiths EVEN the Dajjal, the Antichrist... So the thought of Saudi Arabia having problems in the future due to Atheism is very unlikely.

Have a little more faith in Saudi Arabia, Makkah and Madinah are there okay?

Well I`d like to be more hopeful.

I do not think there are many atheists in Makkah and almadina, but in cities like Riyadh, Jiddah, Qaseem, Jeezan, there are some. I've heard that the Govt has banned and shut down the Muttaween? Why? From pressure from highly educated women and men from public?

Well the current movement for letting females drive is driven by the same emotions of freedom of expression and freedom of speech. Do you agree with freedom of expression/speech? There is this famous Saudi Blogger called Saudi Jeans, have you heard of him? He has a lot to say about humanism and freedom of expression and whole concept of "civil society."

And dont take it as personal insult, I was not taking jibes at you or your country. I am as concerned about atheism in my country Pakistan. They even have official organizations there.

[GuestFellow]

Well both Cosmic and dua are making claims based on their experience. There is no strong evidence to substantiate their claims.

I do think atheism exists in many countries. Not sure about the numbers...

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

From what I'm hearing (someone living in Mecca is telling me), the guy is apparently only going to get fired from his newspaper job.

[CosmicPathos]

[Galaxy]

I have a question, is insulting the Prophet :saws1: punishable by death? Because there are people who will continue doing so, like in articles, books, television shows, etc., and I thought that the only thing we must do is try to speak against it.

[GuestFellow]

I don't understand the insult.

On your birthday, I will say that I have loved the rebel in you, that you've always been a source of inspiration to me, and that I do not like the halos of divinity around you. I shall not pray for you.

On your birthday, I find you wherever I turn. I will say that I have loved aspects of you, hated others, and could not understand many more.

On your birthday, I shall not bow to you. I shall not kiss your hand. Rather, I shall shake it as equals do, and smile at you as you smile at me. I shall speak to you as a friend, no more.

I'm not really into poetry, so I'm not entirely sure what the above is supposed to mean. It appears as though he is treating Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) as his equal or something along those lines.

Is this the actual insult? I thought it would have been a lot worse, like the comments on YouTube.

[Abz2000]

I have a question, is insulting the Prophet punishable by death? Because there are people who will continue doing so, like in articles, books, television shows, etc., and I thought that the only thing we must do is try to speak against it.

there is an apparently detailed book on this situation called “Mukhtasar As-Saram Al-Maslool `Ala Shatim Ar-Rasul
(Summary of The Drawn Sword Against the One Who Curses the Messenger)
by Ibn Taymiyyah, the book takes many references from the times of the Prophet pbuh and that of his honoured companions.

some of you may find this speech to be hardline, but the facts should be presented as they are without us being ashamed of our Prophet pbuh or his honoured companions just because we like to appear "moderate" to the ones who rape, murder and humiliate us.
It actually gives dignity to the humiliated nation that we are
see for yourselves:



i do however feel that if someone is sincere in their repentance, forgiveness was widely practiced.
even those who committed riddah were forgiven and some even went on to be soldiers of Islam.

[Muslim Woman]

:sl:

what's the update ?