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SeekingJoy
Hello,
Well, the Quran says that Lucifer was created out of smokeless fire and
God gave him free will like to the Jinns, but not the other angels.
Jinn and angels are separate creations, therein is your first error!
'fallen angels' is a christian concept not an Islamic one.
Then God created Adam. God introduced his creation to the angels, and
told them to prostrate, the angels did so, but not Lucifer. He claimed that
he won't prostrate a creation that was created out of clay, and he was
created out of fire.
claim?
Then God made a place for Lucifer where he can do anything he wants,
and only he has power over it -- we call that hell.
God did no such thing:
Inna AAibadee laysa laka AAalayhim sultanun illa mani ittabaAAaka mina alghaweena
An-Nahl (The Bee) [16:99]
[RECITE]
Innahu laysa lahu sultanun AAala allatheena amanoo waAAala rabbihim yatawakkaloona
Then Lucifer was sent away to his place by God, together with other
angels who joined him.
ha? Where did you come up with this?
Sahih International
[ Allah ] said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?" [Satan] said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay."
7:13 to top
Sahih International
[ Allah ] said, "Descend from Paradise, for it is not for you to be arrogant therein. So get out; indeed, you are of the debased.
7:14 to top
Sahih International
[Satan] said, "Reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected."
7:15 to top
Sahih International
[ Allah ] said, "Indeed, you are of those reprieved."
7:16 to top
Sahih International
[Satan] said, "Because You have put me in error, I will surely sit in wait for them on Your straight path.
7:17 to top
Sahih International
Then I will come to them from before them and from behind them and on their right and on their left, and You will not find most of them grateful [to You]."
7:18 to top
Sahih International
[ Allah ] said, "Get out of Paradise, reproached and expelled. Whoever follows you among them - I will surely fill Hell with you, all together."
7:19 to top
so I am not sure which 'angels' you're speaking of, Again, they're a separate creation .. you need a paradigm shift and I think your problem would have been easily remedied if you'd indeed read like you claimed.
My problem and question is that: How could other angels join Lucifer,
Again, not sure where you got this from? Do you mind quoting directly from the Quran or ahadiths?
weren't they created without free will? If they were created without
free will, they wouldn't be able to do whether they wanted to, wouldn't
they?
Angels have no free will you're correct in that regard. Lucifier/ jinns (there are many different types of jinns, and there's a thread on them as well a chapter in the Quran, and humans do have free will!
I'm looking forward to hearing from you,
Well now that you've heard and were directly quoted from the Quran are you still confused?
best,