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TrueStranger
02-25-2012, 03:23 AM
This question is directed towards the Mods and Admins.

Is it acceptable in this forum to call a Muslim a Kafir or a Munafiq without any concrete evidence, simply because they hold different opinions about non-religious matters?

If the answer is no, then why is it that post(s) stating such claims where deleted, but a particular member continues with such fallacious accusations.


I'm posting this on the public forum, because I think this should not be taken lightly and the same punishment for those who insult Islam and the Prophet (PBUH), or spread other faiths should apply to them.
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CosmicPathos
02-25-2012, 03:46 AM
the evidence was quite clear as you were supporting kaafirs and finding flaws in Muslims and publicly desecrating Muslim's honor, while the correct method is that you should counsel the Muslims who are at fault in private.

By publicly critizing Muslims for "discriminating against kaafirs," it seems you have sinister ambitions.

And no where did the particular member call you a kaafir.
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TrueStranger
02-25-2012, 03:48 AM
I will allow the mods to respond.......
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ardianto
02-25-2012, 03:51 AM
Assalamualaikum.

If a Muslim call you kafir, call him Muslim.
If a Muslim call you munafiq, call him Muslim.
If a Muslim call you fasiq, call him Muslim.
If a Muslim call you non-Muslim, make du'a, wish Allah gives him rahmat and baraqah.

Allah knows best.
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CosmicPathos
02-25-2012, 03:54 AM
Originally Posted by ardianto
Assalamualaikum.

If a Muslim call you kafir, call him Muslim.
If a Muslim call you munafiq, call him Muslim.
If a Muslim call you fasiq, call him Muslim.
If a Muslim call you non-Muslim, make du'a, wish Allah gives him rahmat and baraqah.

Allah knows best.
keep in mind no one called her a kaafir.

One of the signs of a munafiq is that whenever they speak, they tell a lie.

this person was spreading lies about Muslims from third world countries.
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TrueStranger
02-25-2012, 03:59 AM
Originally Posted by ardianto
Assalamualaikum.

If a Muslim call you kafir, call him Muslim.
If a Muslim call you munafiq, call him Muslim.
If a Muslim call you fasiq, call him Muslim.
If a Muslim call you non-Muslim, make du'a, wish Allah gives him rahmat and baraqah.

Allah knows best.
I will not call any self-declared Muslim a Kafir or a munafiq, even if I've evidence. A risk not worth taking. It's even worse when someone uses those words without any knowledge of the described characteristics of a kafir or a munafiq.

I'm just wondering why the Admins and Mods have not yet prohibit such statements from this forum. It appears acceptable for a Muslim to be called a Kafir in the open. Who is he to make me a kafir, when I establish my five prayers and take the Shahada.
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CosmicPathos
02-25-2012, 04:04 AM
^^ No one made you a kaafir, its your own delusion that someone called you a kaafir. I am sure mods ahve the deleted posts saved, they can go back and act sherlock holmes and have a look, at least I did not make takfeer on you.

now stop whining.
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TrueStranger
02-25-2012, 04:09 AM
Originally Posted by CosmicPathos
keep in mind no one called her a kaafir.

One of the signs of a munafiq is that whenever they speak, they tell a lie.

this person was spreading lies about Muslims from third world countries.
Let's look at your previous post:


the evidence was quite clear as you were supporting kaafirs and finding flaws in Muslims and publicly desecrating Muslim's honor, while the correct method is that you should counsel the Muslims who are at fault in private.

By publicly critizing Muslims for "discriminating against kaafirs," it seems you have sinister ambitions.

And no where did the particular member call you a kaafir.
Listen hear, your mentality is deteriorating by the second.

You wrote : evidence was quite clear as you were supporting kaafirs

Evidence of what? Kufar?

finding flaws in Muslims and publicly desecrating Muslim's honor,
Flaws are already there. And its not a sin to speak about the problems within our Ummah. And Whose HOnor? Which individual?Who did I name?

You've attacked my honor in public, have you not?

Did you counsel me in private?

I'm not for discriminating against kafirs who haven't committed any crime. And that is part of Islamic Law.

What lies was I spreading?

And do you think I forgot when you quoted Surah Al-Kafiroon?

the verse :Lakum deenukum waliya deeni

To you be your Way, and to me mine.


Are you not implying that we have two different religions? And I'm not a Muslim.

I swear to God, I have not forgiven your continuous defamation of my faith.
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CosmicPathos
02-25-2012, 04:11 AM
I did not counsel you in private because I fully believe you are acting like a munafiq.

So just because I quoted Surah al Kafiruin, it means i made a takfeer? whaaat? you are good at playing victim card.

no kaafir is innocent, for they have rejected the Prophet when the evidence has come to them.
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TrueStranger
02-25-2012, 04:21 AM
Originally Posted by CosmicPathos
I did not counsel you in private because I fully believe you are acting like a munafiq.

So just because I quoted Surah al Kafiruin, it means i made a takfeer? whaaat? you are good at playing victim card.

no kaafir is innocent, for they have rejected the Prophet when the evidence has come to them.

Isn't it interesting how you popped-up in this thread without me even mentioning your name.
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CosmicPathos
02-25-2012, 04:32 AM
cuz i know you are complaining about me.
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sister herb
02-25-2012, 04:53 AM
As super mod in other islamic forum I posted this as remind others 5 years ago.

Be carefull who you call kafir

"As to those who reject Faith, It is the same to them Whether thou warn them Or do not warn them; They will not believe." The Holy Quran, 02:06 Al Baqarah.

Abdullah Yusuf Ali's commentary: Kufr, Kafara, Kafir, and derivative forms of the word, imply a deliberate rejection of Faith as opposed to a mistaken idea of Allah or faith, which is not consistent with an ernest desire to see the truth. Where there is sch desire, the Grace and Mercy of Allah gives guidance. But that guidance is not efficacious when it is deliberately rejected, and the possibility of rejection follows from the grant of free will. The consequence of the rejection is that spiritual faculties become dead or impervious to better influence.

Be careful who you call Kafir because only Allah knows who is truly a rejector and who is merely a misguided person. It is not up to us to "sentence" a person to the Hellfire.

We must always maintain courtesy, diplomacy and a never-dying zeal to convey the message to others no matter how discouraging or useless it may seem - don't give up on a non-muslim because most people are good people who simply need a break from the anti-Islamic propaganda around them.

The Fastest Way to Leave Islam

It is always safest to assume that a non-muslim has been misguided, misinformed and fed lies and misconceptions about Islam and Muslims - don't jump to calling him a Kafir. Remove the name-calling from your articles and websites - wouldn't you rather be safe than sorry - name-calling, especially wrongly branding someone as 'evil', 'kafr' and 'manifestation of satan' - GHEEBOT - could entail dire consequences for us on Judgement Day.

Perhaps there is no faster way to leave Islam than by calling other Muslims "kafir" or "mushrik" without discrimination.

About calling other Muslims "kafir," we read the following hadith: It is reported on the authority of Ibn `Umar that the Prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) said: Any person who calls his brother: O Unbeliever! (then the truth of this label) would return to one of them. If it is true, (then it is) as he asserted, (but if it is not true), then it returns to him (and thus the person who made the accusation is an Unbeliever). [Muslim]

Therefore, if you call other Muslims "kafir" or "mushrik" without discrimination, you could find that you have left Islam, according to the words of the Prophet (s.a.w.), in less than a second.

Waste no time debating what a good Muslim should be. Be one!

Guiding a Non-Muslim to Islam only possible by the Grace of God. Our job is to help others understand Islam - that is our basic duty. And only then inshallah, will non-muslims move in the direction of becoming one of us. We must remain positive, open-minded and generous in our efforts to convey the true message.

You cannot encourage a non-muslim to be understanding and open-minded if you yourself are hot-tempered and hurling accusations at him/her. No non-muslim is going to respect you and it will certainly reflect badly on Islam if a Muslim, a representative of Islam, is narrow-minded.

I pray to Allah that we develop patience and sincerity in our efforts to bring about more tolerance in this world. Remember....every human being, regardless of whether he/she is born to Muslim or Non-Muslim parents, is born innocent and pure...it is society that influences him/her to stray from Islam and just as a person can stray, he/she can revert back and YOU can help this process.

We have a very important and sensitive role to play. We are the trusted Ummah of the Rasool, a servant of God...it has been made our duty and our obligation to pass on the pure, unadulterated truth - make honest and full use of this honourable task.
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CosmicPathos
02-25-2012, 04:56 AM
Originally Posted by sister harb
You cannot encourage a non-muslim to be understanding and open-minded if you yourself are hot-tempered and hurling accusations at him/her. No non-muslim is going to respect you and it will certainly reflect badly on Islam if a Muslim, a representative of Islam, is narrow-minded.
then I guess you are saying Umar bin Khattab was a narrow minded by slaying ppl who hurled abuses at Prophet? or by caning people who did not follow Sunnah? Umar (ra) was quite hot tempered, according to your standards.
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TrueStranger
02-25-2012, 05:01 AM
Thanks for the beautiful reminder Sister Herb.
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sister herb
02-25-2012, 05:06 AM
Originally Posted by CosmicPathos
then I guess you are saying Umar bin Khattab was a narrow minded by slaying ppl who hurled abuses at Prophet? or by caning people who did not follow Sunnah? Umar (ra) was quite hot tempered, according to your standards.
Salam alaykum

I didn´t say Umar (ra) was narrow-minded. You did.
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CosmicPathos
02-25-2012, 05:07 AM
Originally Posted by sister harb
Salam alaykum

I didn´t say Umar (ra) was narrow-minded. You did.
but the definitions you are posting of what is hot-tempered and what is not imply that.
Anyways.
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sister herb
02-25-2012, 05:15 AM
Salam alaykum

Waste no time debating what a good Muslim should be. Be one!
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sister herb
02-25-2012, 05:22 AM
Originally Posted by CosmicPathos
but the definitions you are posting of what is hot-tempered and what is not imply that.
Anyways.
Salam alaykum

have here any evidence that Umar (ra) would behave as disrespect against non-muslim and specially towards women, muslim or non-muslims? Or call muslim as kafir?
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AabiruSabeel
02-25-2012, 07:27 PM
:sl:

Please use the report button to report any offensive posts to the mods. Most of the time we don't read each and every line written on the forum.

We would also like to remind everyone to be kind and forgiving for all the Muslim brothers and sisters, and display good Islamic manners to our non-Muslims visitors.

Again, please use the report button instead of replying to offensive posts yourself.
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GuestFellow
02-25-2012, 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by TrueStranger
This question is directed towards the Mods and Admins.
Salaam,

Then it ought not to have been posted here. You should have PM the Mods/Admins. Now anyone can post here. Don't take this the wrong way lol. I'm just saying.
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CosmicPathos
02-25-2012, 07:41 PM
guys, i dont like username of a person, can I report that too? : p
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GuestFellow
02-25-2012, 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by CosmicPathos
guys, i dont like username of a person, can I report that too? : p
Salaam,

You don't like my username. :cry: Pathos, I thought we were best fwends *hugs*. O___o Your not going to report me...are you? :( I'm so sad.
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TrueStranger
02-25-2012, 07:45 PM
Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
Salaam,

Then it ought not to have been posted here. You should have PM the Mods/Admins. Now anyone can post here. Don't take this the wrong way lol. I'm just saying.
I don't mind if anyone posts here. I was checking some ground rules.
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CosmicPathos
02-25-2012, 07:48 PM
typos and pathos are bros foreva.
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