For those of you who support Zionism and Israel and a Two State Solution for Israel/P

[truthseeker63]

For those of you who support Zionism and Israel and a Two State Solution for Israel/Palestine if a people or even one person broke into your home house and or land farm or property and raped or killed you and your family or were trying to or they drove you out of your own house and let you back in and said we both can share this house you take one half I take the other half then we can share the kitchen would you accept this ? This seems immoral to me. The Israelis drove into refugee camps the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims why is this a good thing ? I don't want the pre 1967 borders I want pre 1947 borders for Palestine. I call on the Americans to stop voting for American Politicians who are Puppets of Israel.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_refugee_camps

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugee

[truthseeker63]

Please reply anyone.

[truthseeker63]

It would be immoral to accept Israel's right to exist. I admire and respected Yasser Arafat I was sad to hear that he died.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_exist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat

Islamic Demonstration Against Israel (1of4)

Uploaded by islamicthinkers on Jul 3, 2009
A demonstration organized by the Islamic Thinkers Society against the 60+ years of Zionazi occupation against Palestine.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MKBH...6&feature=plcp



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO83Z...eature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7qh3...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh02W...3&feature=plcp

Islamic Thinkers Society Rally Against Salute to Israeli Parade 2009

Uploaded by islamicthinkers on Jun 2, 2009
The Islamic Thinkers Society rallied against the Zionazis in the Salute to Israel Parade 2009. In the parade, they forbade the evils that Zionazis brought to the streets of NYC. These same Zionazis who eat of our tax money and kill innocent babies and women.

* They were shown no respect for the vermin they are.
* All those who support Israel are enemies of Islam.
* All Zionists must leave Palestine before any talk of negotiation can be held.
* Germany should compensate for the Jews, not Palestinians
* If American government loves Israel, they should make Texas the Israeli State.
* There is no Two-State Solution
* May Allah grant victory to the legitimate resistance of Palestine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RihrU...9&feature=plcp

Islamic Thinkers Society Crash Israeli Day Parade in NYC, Desecrates Flag

Uploaded by islamicthinkers on May 16, 2009
The Islamic Thinkers Society crashed in the Israeli Day Parade and caused havoc by ripping the Israeli flag into pieces in front of the paraders. They showed their presence by holding posters which stated:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4BtO...7&feature=plcp


"Mushroom Cloud Over Israel"

"Palestine is Muslim Land"

[truthseeker63]

Zionist Occupation Government
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Zionist Occupation Government or Zionist Occupied Government (abbreviated as ZOG) is an antisemitic conspiracy theory which holds that Jews secretly control a given country, while the formal government is a puppet regime.<sup>[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist...ion_Government</sup>

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[truthseeker63]

Israeli Professor - 'We Could
Destroy All European Capitals'
By Nadim Ladki
2-6-3

(IAP News) -- An Israeli professor and military historian hinted that Israel could avenge the holocaust by annihilating millions of Germans and other Europeans. Speaking during an interview which was published in Jerusalem Friday, Professor Martin Van Crevel said Israel had the capability of hitting most European capitals with nuclear weapons. "We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets of our air force." Creveld, a professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, pointed out that "collective deportation" was Israel's only meaningful strategy towards the Palestinian people. "The Palestinians should all be deported. The people who strive for this (the Israeli government) are waiting only for the right man and the right time. Two years ago, only 7 or 8 per cent of Israelis were of the opinion that this would be the best solution, two months ago it was 33 per cent, and now, according to a Gallup poll, the figure is 44 percent." Creveld said he was sure that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon wanted to deport the Palestinians. "I think it's quite possible that he wants to do that. He wants to escalate the conflict. He knows that nothing else we do will succeed." Asked if he was worried about Israel becoming a rogue state if it carried out a genocidal deportation against Palestinians, Creveld quoted former Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan who said "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." Creveld argued that Israel wouldn't care much about becoming a rogue state. "Our armed forces are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that this will happen before Israel goes under." Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) http://www.iap.org http://www.rense.com/general34/esde.htm

[truthseeker63]

The Book that Hitler Fears

Germany Must Perish!

by Theodore N. Kaufman
Newark, N.J., Argyle press
Copyright 1941
Library of Congress Call No.: DD222.K3

Introductory Note

by Mark WeberTheodore N. Kaufman, the author of Germany Must Perish, was a Manhattan-born Jewish businessman who was also chairman of a group that called itself the "American Federation for Peace." The first edition of this slim volume was published in 1940 or early 1941. A second, 96-page edition, which sold for 25 cents, was published in 1941 by Argyle Press of Newark, New Jersey. Both editions were issued when the United States was still officially neutral, that is, before the Pearl Harbor attack of December 7, 1941, that brought the U.S. openly into World War II.

Kaufman's fervent proposal for the systematic sterilization of the entire German population was given respectful attention in the American press, including reviews in a number of newspapers. A review in the weekly Time magazine, March 24, 1941, called Kaufman's plan a "sensational idea."

http://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.html

[truthseeker63]

Publications on Jews and other Diaspora Peoples

Writing on Judaism from an Evolutionary Perspective

Books: I have written three books on Judaism within a modern evolutionary perspective. These books are in the Evolution, Behavior, and Intelligence series edited by Seymour W. Itzkoff and published by Praeger Publishers, an imprint of the Greenwood Publishing Group. Praeger has gotten out of the business of publishing and distributing these books, but they are now available in paperback editions, each with a preface that updates the original and explores topics not in the original editions.

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/books.htm

[truthseeker63]

Please reply.

[Sunnie Ameena]

I would share my opinion, but sorry to say I have to plead ignorant to any of that. I have been told that one of the largest Mosques is in Israel. So I am not understanding why they have any issues with Muslims. I try to find information and study on it. At 52 years old, you would think that I would have watched what is going on there. I will keep track of this thread to learn more. Sunnie Ameena

[Pygoscelis]

I call on the Americans to stop voting for American Politicians who are Puppets of Israel.

Ya.... good luck with that. The USA is so far up Israel's rear end that... well... just good luck with that lol

I actually think the creation of Israel and displacement of Palestinians was a collosal mistake, but I'm not sure what the solution would now be. A generation has gone by and many Israelis living there were born there. It isn't like they can "go home" and leave. Meanwhile we've got Palestinians living in what is essentially a concentration camp, reminiscent of native american reserves only at least native americans can enter and integrate with the rest of north america. I think the real problem is all the hate from both sides' extremists and the overlay of religion making rational attempts at co-existence impossible (remember it is the jewish religion that makes them think they have a right to own Israel). Both sides feel entitled and neither will compromise, at least not until some generations flow past.

[truthseeker63]

I agree.

[marwen]

The state of Israel will not live too long, simply because it's founded on oppression and injustice, it kind a planted the seeds of its destruction at the moment of its creation. Israelis have taken what does not belong to them by force, and what is taken by force will be retrieved by force sooner or later, and the oppressed people, as weak as they are now, will acquire force and arise against the oppressing enemy.
The wise ones of them should leave israel before that day comes, because it's stated in our books and the jews know about that day.

[Pygoscelis]

By that logic the USA will fall to the Iriqois and Cherokee people. The USA may be on its way down, but that isn't why.

[marwen]

The USA may be on its way down, but that isn't why.

yes.

By that logic the USA will fall to the Iriqois and Cherokee people

If native americans were still existing as a defined population and they still have the will to restore their rights (which is not true today) like palestinians, than yes.
To be rigourous, yes, the same crime has been conducted in America, but with a different means and in a different time of the history of humanity, and also resulting to a different state of population, than israel.
American continent was viewed as a virgin land, or a separate part of the world. Nobody cares about the indiginous people whom they considered as an inferior race. No human rights organizations were there, like today. Europeans invaded them with the "Kill the indian" attitude, resulting to a total genocide. The few remaining indian decendence were forcibly integrated in the new culture, brain washing them and making them forget their origins and their rights. For a long time, they continued their crime, in a complete unconsciousness of the rest of the world.

That what happened with americans. Fortunately, israel was unable to attain the same results, although having the same intention, due to the difference in circumstances and with the fear of the reaction of other global forces. Israel was even unable to integrate the arab palestinians in its culture because its fear of the "other" and its urging will to squat and to close on itself is preventing them to accept others.
The palestinian nation is still alive, not like native americans. And the palestinians' desire to retrieve their land is still blazing. That's why Palestine and the USA are not exactly the same thing.

[truthseeker63]

The Israelis don't seem to want a two state solution they just pay lip service to the idea they are liars. The Israelis/Zionists/Jews have for years abd still are occupying East Jerusalem the West Bank and the Gaza Strip the Israelis have occupied the Golden Heights Mount Sinai and Lebanon among other lands. Israel seeks a Greater Israel an Empire that the Bible talks about. It my view the State of Israel has no moral right to exist does anyone agree or disagree thank you ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...Greater_Israel


God promised the descendants of the prophet Abraham the 'Promised Land', why are Palestinians defying the Almighty's prophecy?

Finally, the exact borders of the "Promised Land" have not been geographically defined. The Biblical "Promise", which "God had granted to Abraham's descendants", covered the areas between the Nile River in Egypt and the Euphrates River in Iraq,
Does that imply that Israel's future borders eventually will span the borders of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Southern Turkey?

http://www.palestineremembered.com/A.../Story418.html

What is the meaning of your call for Muslims to take arms against America in particular, and what is the message that you wish to send to the West in general?
The call to wage war against America was made because America has spear-headed the crusade against the Islamic nation, sending tens of thousands of its troops to the land of the two Holy Mosques over and above its meddling in its affairs and its politics, and its support of the oppressive, corrupt and tyrannical regime that is in control. These are the reasons behind the singling out of America as a target. And not exempt of responsibility are those Western regimes whose presence in the region offers support to the American troops there. We know at least one reason behind the symbolic participation of the Western forces and that is to support the Jewish and Zionist plans for expansion of what is called the Great Israel. Surely, their presence is not out of concern over their interests in the region. ... Their presence has no meaning save one and that is to offer support to the Jews in Palestine who are in need of their Christian brothers to achieve full control over the Arab Peninsula which they intend to make an important part of the so called Greater Israel. ...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...interview.html

[truthseeker63]

In my view you can't be both pro Israel and pro Palestine at the sametime it is one or the other you can not be both.

[Pygoscelis]

If native americans were still existing as a defined population and they still have the will to restore their rights (which is not true today) like palestinians, than yes.

There are some. Here in Canada, native land right claims are common and I have a friend who works for vairous native bands in pursuit of these claims through the court system. Sometimes they get violent (I drove through Oka in Quebec during that conflict a decade or so ago). Also, whenever Quebec talks about separating from Canada, there are some native bands that invariiably stand up and say they want to separate from Quebec. Itreally puts the Quebec separatists on the defensive lol.

But again, just like with Israel, it isn't like the Cherokee and Iriqois (and other native bands) are going to force all the white people (and now asian, brown, middle eastern, you name it) out of the country and turn Toronto, Vancouver, or Montreal (all three are native american names btw) back into the native hunting grounds they once were.

[Pygoscelis]

The Israelis don't seem to want a two state solution they just pay lip service to the idea

I agree. They also don't want an integrated nation. You can't have Israel as a "jewish state" and also a democratic state if you let the Palestinians have full citizenship and voting rights. Religion clouds everything on both sides of this conflict and it is really unfortunate.

In my view you can't be both pro Israel and pro Palestine at the sametime it is one or the other you can not be both.

I agree. But you can be against both. Just because you oppose the one doesn't mean you must support the other :D

[sister herb]

Zionists have learnt they way to behave from nazists and from apartheid-South Africa; they believe to be master-race against others, they create Bantustans, make Palestine like cheese with holes: they keep cheese and let holes to Palestinians.

You have seen what happened to nazi-Germany and what happened to apartheid-South Africa even at they time they were strong and powerful.

;D

[ILuvAllah]

The answer is in the Quran. So, dont worry about it too much.

WATCH

[glo]

So what actually would be workable solution for Palestine and Israel? Given that both peoples now consider (rightly or wrongly) the land to be 'theirs'?
If we assume that we want both groups to live in the same land together, peacefully and fairly - how could that be done?

I don't expect there is any easy solution (given that people have debated this issues for some 70 years), but I am looking for serious and thoughtful answers.

[truthseeker63]

The solution is to get rid of the State of Israel just like the Soviet Union no longer exists the land should be renamed Palestine and the Palestinian Refugees should be given the right to return this is the solution there should be no 1967 borders or 1948 borders or 1956 borders it is all Palestine.

[truthseeker63]

According to the Bible the Canaanites were in Palestine before the Israelites. I know it is a debated issue if the Jews are bloodline Israelites but I just want to point this out. Also the Jews were given Palestine by the British read the Balfour Declaration Israel is a creation of European Imperialism just like Apartheid South Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–...rica_relations

Israel and South Africa

excerpted from the book

Israeli Foreign Policy

by Jane Hunter

South End Press, 1987


History

lsrael's ties with South Africa seem to be especially disturbing to many who follow Israel's international activities. Perhaps it is natural that Israel has been castigated more harshly for its arms sales to South Africa than for its sales to other countries: first, because there has been for a decade an arms embargo against South Africa; and second, because of the unsurpassed criminality of the white regime and the uses to which it puts the Israeli-supplied weapons.It has also been said that those arms sales are understandable, given the striking similarities between the two countries in their day-to-day abuse and repression of their subject populations, South African blacks and Palestinians under Israeli rule; in their operating philosophies of apartheid and Zionism; and in their similar objective situations: "the only two Western nations to have established themselves in a predominantly nonwhite part of the world," as a South African Broadcasting Corporation editorial put it. That understanding, however, is somewhat superficial, and the focus on similarities of political behavior has somewhat obscured the view of the breadth and depth of the totality of Israeli-South African relations and their implications.Israel's relations with South Africa are different than its interactions with any of its other arms clients. That Israel gave South Africa its nuclear weapons capability underscores the special nature of Tel Aviv's relations with the white minority government and begins to describe it - a full-fledged, if covert, partnership based on the determination of both countries to continue as unrepentant pariahs and to help each other avoid the consequences of their behavior. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Gl...l_SAfrica.html