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~Zaria~
04-09-2012, 09:56 AM
Mecca for the rich: Islam's holiest site 'turning into Vegas'




Historic and culturally important landmarks are being destroyed to make way for luxury hotels and malls, reports Jerome Taylor



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Behind closed doors – in places where the religious police cannot listen in – residents of Mecca are beginning to refer to their city as Las Vegas, and the moniker is not a compliment.

Over the past 10 years the holiest site in Islam has undergone a huge transformation, one that has divided opinion among Muslims all over the world.

Once a dusty desert town struggling to cope with the ever-increasing number of pilgrims arriving for the annual Hajj, the city now soars above its surroundings with a glittering array of skyscrapers, shopping malls and luxury hotels.

To the al-Saud monarchy, Mecca is their vision of the future – a steel and concrete metropolis built on the proceeds of enormous oil wealth that showcases their national pride.

Yet growing numbers of citizens, particularly those living in the two holy cities of Mecca and Medina, have looked on aghast as the nation's archaeological heritage is trampled under a construction mania backed by hardline clerics who preach against the preservation of their own heritage. Mecca, once a place where the Prophet Mohamed insisted all Muslims would be equal, has become a playground for the rich, critics say, where naked capitalism has usurped spirituality as the city's raison d'être.

Few are willing to discuss their fears openly because of the risks associated with criticising official policy in the authoritarian kingdom. And, with the exceptions of Turkey and Iran, fellow Muslim nations have largely held their tongues for fear of of a diplomatic fallout and restrictions on their citizens' pilgrimage visas. Western archaeologists are silent out of fear that the few sites they are allowed access to will be closed to them.

But a number of prominent Saudi archaeologists and historians are speaking up in the belief that the opportunity to save Saudi Arabia's remaining historical sites is closing fast.

"No one has the balls to stand up and condemn this cultural vandalism," says Dr Irfan al-Alawi who, as executive director of the Islamic Heritage Research Foundation, has fought in vain to protect his country's historical sites. "We have already lost 400-500 sites. I just hope it's not too late to turn things around."

Sami Angawi, a renowned Saudi expert on the region's Islamic architecture, is equally concerned. "This is an absolute contradiction to the nature of Mecca and the sacredness of the house of God," he told the Reuters news agency earlier this year. "Both [Mecca and Medina] are historically almost finished. You do not find anything except skyscrapers."

Dr Alawi's most pressing concern is the planned £690m expansion of the Grand Mosque, the most sacred site in Islam which contains the Kaaba – the black stone cube built by Ibrahim (Abraham) that Muslims face when they pray.

Construction officially began earlier this month with the country's Justice Minister, Mohammed al-Eissa, exclaiming that the project would respect "the sacredness and glory of the location, which calls for the highest care and attention of the servants or Islam and Muslims".

The 400,000 square metre development is being built to accommodate an extra 1.2 million pilgrims each year and will turn the Grand Mosque into the largest religious structure in the world. But the Islamic Heritage Foundation has compiled a list of key historical sites that they believe are now at risk from the ongoing development of Mecca, including the old Ottoman and Abbasi sections of the Grand Mosque, the house where the Prophet Mohamed was born and the house where his paternal uncle Hamza grew up.

There is little argument that Mecca and Medina desperately need infrastructure development. Twelve million pilgrims visit the cities every year with the numbers expected to increase to 17 million by 2025.

But critics fear that the desire to expand the pilgrimage sites has allowed the authorities to ride roughshod over the area's cultural heritage. The Washington-based Gulf Institute estimates that 95 per cent of Mecca's millennium-old buildings have been demolished in the past two decades alone.

The destruction has been aided by Wahabism, the austere interpretation of Islam that has served as the kingdom's official religion ever since the al-Sauds rose to power across the Arabian Peninsula in the 19th century.

In the eyes of Wahabis, historical sites and shrines encourage "shirq" – the sin of idolatry or polytheism – and should be destroyed. When the al-Saud tribes swept through Mecca in the 1920s, the first thing they did was lay waste to cemeteries holding many of Islam's important figures. They have been destroying the country's heritage ever since. Of the three sites the Saudis have allowed the UN to designate World Heritage Sites, none are related to Islam.

Those circling the Kaaba only need to look skywards to see the latest example of the Saudi monarchy's insatiable appetite for architectural bling. At 1,972ft, the Royal Mecca Clock Tower, opened earlier this year, soars over the surrounding Grand Mosque, part of an enormous development of skyscrapers that will house five-star hotels for the minority of pilgrims rich enough to afford them.

To build the skyscraper city, the authorities dynamited an entire mountain and the Ottoman era Ajyad Fortress that lay on top of it. At the other end of the Grand Mosque complex, the house of the Prophet's first wife Khadijah has been turned into a toilet block. The fate of the house he was born in is uncertain. Also planned for demolition are the Grand Mosque's Ottoman columns which dare to contain the names of the Prophet's companions, something hardline Wahabis detest.

For ordinary Meccans living in the mainly Ottoman-era town houses that make up much of what remains of the old city, development often means the loss of their family home.

Non-Muslims cannot visit Mecca and Medina, but The Independent was able to interview a number of citizens who expressed discontent over the way their town was changing. One young woman whose father recently had his house bulldozed described how her family was still waiting for compensation. "There was very little warning; they just came and told him that the house had to be bulldozed," she said.

Another Meccan added: "If a prince of a member of the royal family wants to extend his palace he just does it. No one talks about it in public though. There's such a climate of fear."

Dr Alawi hopes the international community will finally begin to wake up to what is happening in the cradle of Islam. "We would never allow someone to destroy the Pyramids, so why are we letting Islam's history disappear?"



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Bayt al-Mawlid

When the Wahabis took Mecca in the 1920s they destroyed the dome on top of the house where the Prophet Mohammed was born. It was thenused as a cattle market before being turned into a library after a campaign by Meccans. There are concerns that the expansion of the Grand Mosque will destroy it once more. The site has never been excavated by archaeologists.

Ottoman and Abasi columns of the Grand Mosque

Slated for demolition as part of the Grand Mosque expansion, these intricately carved columns date back to the 17th century and are the oldest surviving sections of Islam's holiest site. Much to the chagrin of Wahabis, they are inscribed with the names of the Prophet's companions. Ottomon Mecca is now rapidly disappearing

Al-Masjid al-Nawabi

For many years, hardline Wahabi clerics have had their sites set on the 15th century green dome that rests above the tomb holding the Prophet, Abu Bakr and Umar in Medina. The mosque is regarded as the second holiest site in Islam. Wahabis, however, believe marked graves are idolatrous. A pamphlet published in 2007 by the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs, endorsed by Abdulaziz Al Sheikh, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, stated that "the green dome shall be demolished and the three graves flattened in the Prophet's Masjid".

Jabal al-Nour

A mountain outside Mecca where Mohammed received his first Koranic revelations. The Prophet used to spend long spells in a cave called Hira. The cave is particularly popular among South Asian pilgrims who have carved steps up to its entrance and adorned the walls with graffiti. Religious hardliners are keen to dissuade pilgrims from congregating there and have mooted the idea of removing the steps and even destroying the mountain altogether.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-2360114.html
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Jedi_Mindset
04-09-2012, 11:07 AM
a good thing to be angry about... :raging: O Allah may you punish those hypocrites who are ruining the image of islam and are ruining the land of Arabia, the land where 70 Prophets (Peace be upon them) have walked upon. Ameen

can't wait till mahdi(As) arrives, hopefully it will be soon..
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Abou_sirine
04-09-2012, 03:10 PM
Mecca has always been a trading town !? Before Nabi and after Nabi ... What is the problem ?
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Abou_sirine
04-09-2012, 03:11 PM
You can travel to mecca for the Hajj or for business ... what's the problem ?
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CosmicPathos
04-09-2012, 03:28 PM
pathetic.

they are truly changing Makkah into Mecca.
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Muslim Woman
04-09-2012, 03:42 PM
:sl:

format_quote Originally Posted by Abou_sirine
You can travel to mecca for the Hajj or for business ... what's the problem ?

I did not like to see the authority has covered the Zamzam well . Why is that ? It's a historic place and we can't see it now :(

They could covered it - if it was a must to cover -with glass , so that Muslims can watch the well .

Also , many can't afford to stay at expensive hotels and why we need so many multi - stored buildings around the Kaaba ?
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Abou_sirine
04-09-2012, 03:44 PM
Simply,

- If what they are doing is forbidden, then inform us a text who forbidden that ?
- If you cannot, just keep the silence ...
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White Rose
04-09-2012, 03:44 PM
"the green dome shall be demolished and the three graves flattened in the Prophet's Masjid".
Wow.... It amazes me how one can twist words and make another meaning out of a context.
This makes me really angry :raging: but then Prophet Muhammad SAW already warned us about this. :hmm:

Off topic: I bet somebody pays them a huge sum of money to do all of this. Can't destroy the holy places from outside, well lets just pay them and make it seem like its been done for expansion and stuff.
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Abou_sirine
04-09-2012, 03:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
Also , many can't afford to stay at expensive hotels and why we need so many multi - stored buildings around the Kaaba ?
And what would you like to see ? tents of wood ?
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Muslim Woman
04-09-2012, 03:52 PM
:sl:

format_quote Originally Posted by Abou_sirine
And what would you like to see ? tents of wood ?
At least , I don't want to see anything that covers holy Kaaba . It's to nice to see the old photo of Kaaba when all could see the holy place from far away.
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Abou_sirine
04-09-2012, 03:56 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
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Also , many can't afford to stay at expensive hotels and why we need so many multi - stored buildings around the Kaaba ?
<br><br>And what would you like to see ? <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">tents</span> <span class="hps">of wood</span><span class=""> ?<strong></strong></span></span>


And where do, the 2 millions of pilgrims, sleep during these 30 days?
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CosmicPathos
04-09-2012, 03:56 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abou_sirine
Simply,

- If what they are doing is forbidden, then inform us a text who forbidden that ?
- If you cannot, just keep the silence ...
are youal saud sympathizer? or from his family?

there is text upon text that goes against your taghoot. one of the signs of qiyamah is tall buildings. nothing wrong with tall buildings but something is definitely wrong these tall buildings cater to rich ppl than to an avg Muslim who earns less than $1 a day.
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Abou_sirine
04-09-2012, 04:00 PM
Is it forbidden ? Yes ? ... plz give us the text ...
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Muslim Woman
04-09-2012, 04:02 PM
:sl:
format_quote Originally Posted by ~Zaria~
A pamphlet published in 2007 by the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs, endorsed by Abdulaziz Al Sheikh, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, stated that "the green dome shall be demolished and the three graves flattened in the Prophet's Masjid".


Can anyone give more info about it ? Thanks.
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Abou_sirine
04-09-2012, 04:08 PM
Google traduction (sorry my english is very bad) :

From what other Muslim and narrated from ibn Harun that Thumama Shufayy said:

"We were with Fadâla Ibn 'Ubayd the country of the Byzantines, in Rhodes, when one of our companions died. So Fadâla Ibn 'Ubayd ordered to level the grave and then said: I heard the Prophet ordering to level the graves.

Abu Al-Hayyâj Al-Asadi said:

'Ali bin Abu Talib said: Wilt thou that I may learn what the prophet had taught me? Do not leave any statue without that you will destroy the tomb or a high that you do without the vials.


Châfi'y said: "I do not like to be added to the tomb of the land other than that dug the grave itself, I do not like that most of the student that a span, or that building or that plaster on it because this sounds like ostentation, and ostentation has no place on the graves. Just as I have not seen the graves of emigrants or Ansar plastered, and governors have destroyed what was built on the graves, cemeteries, and no one among the jurisconsults reproves their conduct. "[...]
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Muslim Woman
04-09-2012, 04:09 PM
:sl:

[QUOTE=Abou_sirine;1509439
And where do, the 2 millions of pilgrims, sleep during these 30 days?[/QUOTE]

say about 10 to 15 minutes walking distance from Kaaba .
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CosmicPathos
04-09-2012, 04:20 PM
you wnat to destroy tomb and architecture over Prophet's mosque which Ottomons so beautifully built, yet you want to build architeecture for capitalistic sharks and their businesses? subhanAllah.
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Abou_sirine
04-09-2012, 04:23 PM
" I heard the Prophet ordering ...."
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CosmicPathos
04-09-2012, 04:28 PM
Prophet also ordered to eliminate financial inequality which capitalism creates. Yet you seem to ignore that order of Prophet.
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Insaanah
04-09-2012, 06:07 PM
:sl:

Before, when you approached Makkah by road from Jiddah, the minarets of the Masjid were one of the first things you saw, and it held you in awe; they were the most awe inspiring things in the landscape. It would be nice if there had been some respect for the masjid, so that it should be the most important thing in the vicinity. But now, the masjid seems tiny and is made to look unimportant in comparison to the hotels.

There were many, many affordable hotels directly in front of the masjid, and on the streets very close to it, which even poor people could afford. They have now been demolished to make way for these five star giants right in front of the masjid, which only the rich can afford. This means that average people, along with poor people, even if they cannot walk much, have no choice but to stay far away from the masjid. i.e. the rich can stay close to the masjid, but the poor cannot, and must stay far away. This creation of a divide is totally against the spirit of Islamic brotherhood and unity. When you go for Umrah and Hajj, men don the same white sheets, whether king or toilet cleaner, rich or poor, and stand side by side, one's status now unimportant other than as a slave of Allah.

Yet step outside the masjid, and this brotherhood is immediately destroyed. Unfortunately the signs of this divide are clearly visible and unmissable as you are doing tawaf inside the masjid.

We also know that the building of tall buildings by the bedouins is one of the signs of qiyaamah, mentioned alongside a woman giving birth to her mistress. But to have the audacity to do this right in front of the ka'bah? And then to have amongst the shops pro-Israeli companies like Starbucks?

On another note, I'd heard there was a pact between the Ottomans/Turks and Saudis that the Ottoman part of the masjid could not be destroyed. But I can't find anything on it, so maybe it's not true...

format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
I did not like to see the authority has covered the Zamzam well . Why is that ? It's a historic place and we can't see it now
I was upset about this too. There were steps going down in the tawaf area, seperate sections for women and men, where you could freely utilise the zamzam. There was a lovely ginger cat that used to hang out down there too..
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Abz2000
04-09-2012, 07:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abou_sirine
If what they are doing is forbidden, then inform us a text who forbidden that ?
yup, here's a text, it's from a book called Al Quran, and a chapter called The Pilgrimage:

25. As to those who have rejected ((Allah)), and would keep back (men) from the Way of Allah,
and from the Sacred Mosque, which We have made (open) to (all believing) people- equal is the dweller there and the visitor from the country
- and any whose purpose therein is profanity or wrong-doing - them will We cause to taste of a most Grievous Penalty.



26. Behold! We gave the site, to Abraham, of the (Sacred) House, (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me; and sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or stand up, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).


27. "And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;


28. "That they may witness the benefits (provided) for them, and celebrate the name of Allah, through the Days appointed, over the cattle which He has provided for them (for sacrifice): then eat ye thereof and feed the distressed ones in want.


29. "Then let them complete the rites prescribed for them, perform their vows, and (again) circumambulate the Ancient House."


30. Such (is the Pilgrimage): whoever honours the sacred rites of Allah, for him it is good in the Sight of his Lord. Lawful to you (for food in Pilgrimage) are cattle, except those mentioned to you (as exception): but shun the abomination of idols, and shun the word that is false,-


31. Being true in faith to Allah, and never assigning partners to Him: if anyone assigns partners to Allah, is as if he had fallen from heaven and been snatched up by birds, or the wind had swooped (like a bird on its prey) and thrown him into a far- distant place.


32. Such (is his state): and whoever holds in honour the symbols of Allah, such (honour) should come truly from piety of heart.


those things which they cover - like the zamzam well, are symbols of Allah
as also also safah and marwah, parts of which have been neatly chopped up in order to make a way between the high royal palace and the sacred mosque.
Innasuafa wal marwata min sha'aa-irillah.
verily safa nd marwa are from among the symbols of God.

it is also sad envisioning a time when all the poor people will have to travel through a 5 star ring in order to get to the ka'bah.
and then when they finish their rites and look up into the heavens - they see the skyscrapers covering the whole horizon.

i am not against skyscrapers, and i have no issue with them being built further off. but to completely cover the haram al shareef and only be available to the rich while the poor can walk a few kilometers is sickening.
people used to go to hajj on camels with just a few required provisions.
now it is becoming a vip resort for only those who are rich.

again:
As to those who have rejected ((Allah)), and would keep back (men) from the Way of Allah,
and from the Sacred Mosque, which We have made (open) to (all believing) people- equal is the dweller there and the visitor from the country
- and any whose purpose therein is profanity or wrong-doing - them will We cause to taste of a most Grievous Penalty.

format_quote Originally Posted by Abou_sirine
And what would you like to see ? tents of wood ?
yup, that would be a move in the right direction, it was always permissible for pilgrims to bring their own accommodation along with them, and the people of Makkah - even the pagans of Makkah - were famous for their hospitality too.
pilgrims would come on lean camels with tents, and some would be given hospitality in the houses of the people of Makkah free of charge.
i see no text saying that the Prophet pbuh - or even the pagans - demanded to see proof of paid accommodation before being allowed entry to hajj
or that the maccans' houses were being bought out by roman companies in order for them to be able to charge pilgrims huge amounts for luxury accommodation - it is becoming an extortion racket..
do you know how many people die every year without fulfilling their dream of performing pilgrimage, having enough for food and travel etc but not enough for accommodation and all the other extra costs involved? simply because it has become a competing ground for 5 star multinational hotel companies who continue to drive up the prices of accommodation in the area so that smaller owners just sell out and buy somewhere else.

"And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men:
they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;

so yes, tents are quite useful, i actually saw a family who rented the space under a stairway leading to our small hotel. they couldn't stand up in it, they could just about sit in it and leave their bags and then go and sleep on the lower floor of the Masjid. They were however able to fulfill their dream of performing pilgrimage.

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Darth Ultor
04-09-2012, 07:42 PM
I understand being mad at the rest of it but what is the big deal about expanding the Masjid al-Haram? More Muslims would be able to come and perform their religious duties.
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~Zaria~
04-10-2012, 12:51 PM
Assalamu-alaikum,

This article should bring tears to our eyes - at just the thought of:

All the heritage sites that have been lost over the years........
the montrosity that over-hangs the Kaaba......
the 5 Star hotels that surround the Harem, fit for kings and the super-rich, complete with satellite TV and its filth - right outside the House of Allah!

Ya SubhanAllah!

This ummah should be hanging their heads in shame and grief at just this thought!


HOW is it possible for some hearts not to grow heavy...... not to feel mournful of what has become of the holy land?

It is the hearts that are so tied to this dunya, that they have grown blind to the fitnah created at OUR hands - not the Zionists, not the Americans, not the British - but our very own brothers whose responsibility it has been, and is, to secure OUR deen!

Save for the Kaaba and what remains of the foot-prints of the prophet (sallalahu alaihi wasalam), his sahaba, and those before him......today, there is very little that sets Makkah apart from every other city in this dunya.



:wa:
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Haya emaan
04-10-2012, 02:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Insaanah
But now, the masjid seems tiny and is made to look unimportant in comparison to the hotels.
and that big clock tower.. a big test for one's concentration on ibadah while doing tawaf..!!
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جوري
04-10-2012, 03:01 PM
Buildings around the Kaaba shouldn't tower over it. I read that somewhere and would love if someone can find that hadith because I came across it so long ago. I think expansion of Makkah is mandatory though given how many people die and get trampled on every year and also to accommodate more Muslims. some people wait for 20 years. My grandmother had to wait a good five years and then it was too late she was only able to make umrah and that's terribly unfortunate to miss a major religious rite. It should be done without changing the identity of Makkah.

:w:
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Insaanah
04-10-2012, 08:11 PM
:sl:

I just came across these ahadeeth in the Darussalam book, "History of Makkah". Emphasis mine.

It was reported from Sa'eed bin Sa'man that he heard Abu Hurairah telling Abu Qatadah that Allah's Messenger :saws: said:
"Allegiance will be sworn to a man between the Rukn and the Maqam, and no one will violate the sancitity of this house except it's own people. When they violate it, do not ask about the destruction of the Arabs. Then the Abyssinians will come and destroy it in such a way that it will never be rebuilt, and they are the ones who will extract its treasures." [Ahmad (2/291), Al-Hakim (4/452)]

Umar bin Al-Khattab ‬used to say to the Quraish: “The guardians of this House before you were Tasm, but they lost respect for it and violated its sanctity, so Allâh destroyed them. Then guardianship passed to Jurhum, but they lost respect for it and violated its sanctity, so Allâh destroyed them. So, do not lose respect for it, and honour its sanctity.” (Reported by al-Baihaqi in ad-Dala'il, 2/49,50)
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AbdulazizB
04-10-2012, 09:22 PM
Hmm, I dunno what to say but i'll tell you how I feel since I am a Saudi Arabian guy. Every year we have Muslims coming to Makkah and Madinah all year around al hamd li llah thanks to the Dua of Ibrahim Alaihi al salam; we know that Al Saud did wrong things and they also did good things. To call them kafirs or comparing Makkah to Vegas or having Victoria secrets shop? makes me wonder if you really lived in Saudi Arabia for 15 years like you claim~ Beside all that lets say Al Saud are no more the rulers who do you think will be the new ruler? Right now as a Saudi I am more worried about what is happening around us and I am not talking about the Arab spring but things like Syria and how Bashar al Asad killing our Muslims brothers/Sisters with the help of Iran and it's puppets from HizboAllah and al Mehdi army in Iraq. Trust me we as Saudis we have our eyes opened we don't need your fitna among us and the youth is pretty much well informed of what's really going on. :zip:
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Scimitar
04-11-2012, 01:53 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by لميس
we're headed for rough seas
Afflictions at the end of time.

In Bukhari,

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Time will pass rapidly, good deeds will decrease, miserliness will be thrown (in the hearts of the people) afflictions will appear and there will be much 'Al-Harj." They said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is "Al-Harj?" He said, "Killing! Killing!" (See Hadith No. 63, Vol. 8)

I really don't need to say anything really, it's a no brainer from here onwards. Sadly, this provides me with no comfort.

But that eschatology section will (come on admin... please?)

Scimi
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جوري
04-11-2012, 02:01 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

Afflictions at the end of time.

In Bukhari,

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Time will pass rapidly, good deeds will decrease, miserliness will be thrown (in the hearts of the people) afflictions will appear and there will be much 'Al-Harj." They said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is "Al-Harj?" He said, "Killing! Killing!" (See Hadith No. 63, Vol. 8)

I really don't need to say anything really, it's a no brainer from here onwards. Sadly, this provides me with no comfort.

But that eschatology section will (come on admin... please?)

Scimi

:lol: Br. Muhammad said that is what the akhira section is for.. speaking of which I posted something there but part of it was inappropriate I guess so it was never approved.. or maybe it was just forgotten who knows..
Yes difficult times ahead so hang on to the rope of Allah:

WaiAAtasimoo bihabli Allahi jameeAAan wala tafarraqoo waothkuroo niAAmata Allahi AAalaykum ith kuntum aAAdaan faallafa bayna quloobikum faasbahtum biniAAmatihi ikhwanan wakuntum AAala shafa hufratin mina alnnari faanqathakum minha kathalika yubayyinu Allahu lakum ayatihi laAAallakum tahtadoona
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Scimitar
04-11-2012, 03:37 AM


format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
Salaam,

I think some Saudi scholars have argued these ancient architects lead to shirk. Not sure if this is true.
The destruction of sites associated with early Islam is an on-going phenomenon that has occurred mainly in the Hejaz region of westernSaudi Arabia, particularly around the holy cities of Mecca and Medina. The demolition has focused on Mosques, burial sites, homes and historical locations associated with the Islamic prophet, Muhammad and many of the founding personalities of early Islamic history. In Saudi Arabia, many of the demolitions have officially been part of the continued expansion of the Masjid Al-Haram at Mecca and the Prophet's Mosque in Medina and their auxiliary service facilities in order to accommodate the ever-increasing number of Hajj pilgrims. Detractors of the demolitions and expansion programs have argued that this phenomenon is part of the implementation of state-endorsed Wahhabi religious policy that emphasizes the Oneness of God (Tawhid) and entirely rejects the worship of divine proxies to God or even the practices and habits which might lead to idolatry and polytheistic association (Shirk).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_early_Islamic_heritage_sites

What the article goes on to say is this:

The last ten years have seen an increase in the demolition of sites in Mecca and Medina. As the annual Hajj continues to draw larger crowds year after year, the Saudi authorities have deemed it necessary to raze large tracts of formerly residential neighborhoods around the two mosques to make way for tourism-related infrastructure. Opposition to the phenomenon discussed in this stub has been limited but vocal. While many believe that the loss of the old-world character of the two cities is the inevitable result of progress and much needed modernization, others worry that the anonymous steel and concrete façade that is reshaping the sites is detracting from the cities’ spiritual purpose. With nearly 20 million pilgrims expected to visit Mecca in the coming years[when?], developers are forecasted to spend an estimated $13 billion dollars on the largest expansion project in the city’s history.[7] While there is widespread agreement for the need of facilities that can accommodate greater numbers of pilgrims, the development of upscale hotels and condominium towers, restaurants, shopping centers and even two luxury spas.[8] has caused some to criticize the over-commercialization of a site which many consider to be a Divinely ordained sanctuary for humanity (the very meaning of the Arabic word “Haram” is “sanctuary”). The rapid influx of capitalist investment in Mecca and Medina leads many to believe that money and economic growth are ultimately the bottom line for Saudi authorities. A proposition which critics argue works hand in hand with Wahhabi state policy that looks to impose a massive cultural and social deletion within the Holy Cities,[9] erasing any elements that give way to practices that go against the Wahhabi creed.

Destroyed sites


Mosques

Cemeteries and tombs

Historical religious sites
  • The house of Mawlid where Muhammad is believed to have been born in 570. Originally turned into a cattle market, it now lies under a rundown building which was built 70 years ago as a compromise after Wahhabi clerics called for it to be torn down.[11]
  • The house of Khadija, Muhammad’s first wife. Muslims believe he received some of the first revelations there. It was also where his children Umm Kulthum, Ruqayyah, Zainab, Fatimah and Qasimwere born. After it was rediscovered during the Haram extensions in 1989, it was covered over and it was made into a library.
  • House of Muhammed in Medina, where he lived after the migration from Mecca.[10]
  • Dar al Arqam, the first Islamic school where Muhammad taught.[11] It now lies under the extension of the Masjid Al Nabawi of Madinah.
  • Qubbat’ al-Thanaya, the burial site of Muhammed's incisor that was broken in the Battle of Uhud.[6]
  • Mashrubat Umm Ibrahim, built to mark the location of the house where Muhammad’s son, Ibrahim, was born to Mariah.
  • Dome which served as a canopy over the Well of Zamzam.[10]
  • Bayt al-Ahzan of Sayyida Fatima, in Medina.[10]
  • House of Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq, in Medina.[10]
  • Mahhalla complex of Banu Hashim, in Medina.[10]
  • House of Ali where Hasan and Husayn were born.[10]
And they're planning on more... I fail to see how a proper understanding into the importance of shirk related issues, armed guards and signboards would not deter people from committing shirk or vandalising places of antiquity, though. I agree with the levelling of graves, since this is from sahih... but still, The wahhabi run shariah of Saud is just not working for me. They go too far...

... I'd like to say that Islam is not bland and tasteless, we have a rich tapestry of history that is fascinating and inspiring. To see the last standing testaments to the buildings and sites of antiquity in Islam, systematically eradicated for a supposed expansion project which covers a darker and more sinister aim - is something very obvious to me, at least.

With the best architects at their disposal, could the house of Saud with their ridiculous budgets not specify that the expansions respect the sites and buildings of antiquity? Even make access to them in clearly coloured zones, letting pilgrims know that these are not sites of worship, but historical testaments with true stories attached - a chance to learn more of early Islam's history?... No?


Scimi









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cuezed
04-11-2012, 03:31 PM
That place is only for the rich
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A-Believer-25
04-24-2012, 06:13 PM
:sl:

Why do they feel the need to do this??? :raging:
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~ Sabr ~
04-30-2012, 08:26 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ~Zaria~
A pamphlet published in 2007 by the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs, endorsed by Abdulaziz Al Sheikh, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, stated that "the green dome shall be demolished and the three graves flattened in the Prophet's Masjid".
I don't think this will happen. As that was stated in 2007, and it has been 5 years and no action has taken place.
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Scimitar
05-19-2012, 01:07 PM
Salaam Said_Soussi,

You from WUP too, right?

Come on bro - we both know what they are up to. Preparation: Dajjal thread in WUP got locked for review due to some over zealous and uneducated morons trolling it... needs a good clean. But yeah, everything is in that thread - and you and I both know what is "really" happening.

My posts keep disappearing from this thread so I won't say much.

Scimi
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Said_Soussi
05-19-2012, 02:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
Salaam Said_Soussi,

You from WUP too, right?

Come on bro - we both know what they are up to. Preparation: Dajjal thread in WUP got locked for review due to some over zealous and uneducated morons trolling it... needs a good clean. But yeah, everything is in that thread - and you and I both know what is "really" happening.

My posts keep disappearing from this thread so I won't say much.

Scimi
Aleykoum sallaam Scimitar,
yes i am.
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Said_Soussi
05-19-2012, 11:10 PM
It's a big shame what those 'people' are doing to the Haramein and yet the Ummah keeps on sleeping ??


ps I have a feeling i know brothers Scimitar and Jedi_Mindset from somewhere:D
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Said_Soussi
05-19-2012, 11:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
a good thing to be angry about... :raging: O Allah may you punish those hypocrites who are ruining the image of islam and are ruining the land of Arabia, the land where 70 Prophets (Peace be upon them) have walked upon. Ameen

can't wait till mahdi(As) arrives, hopefully it will be soon..
:raging:

:muslimah:AMEEN!:beard:
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Scimitar
05-20-2012, 04:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ~Zaria~
Assalamu-alaikum,

This article should bring tears to our eyes - at just the thought of:

All the heritage sites that have been lost over the years........
the montrosity that over-hangs the Kaaba......
the 5 Star hotels that surround the Harem, fit for kings and the super-rich, complete with satellite TV and its filth - right outside the House of Allah!

Ya SubhanAllah!

This ummah should be hanging their heads in shame and grief at just this thought!


HOW is it possible for some hearts not to grow heavy...... not to feel mournful of what has become of the holy land?

It is the hearts that are so tied to this dunya, that they have grown blind to the fitnah created at OUR hands - not the Zionists, not the Americans, not the British - but our very own brothers whose responsibility it has been, and is, to secure OUR deen!

Save for the Kaaba and what remains of the foot-prints of the prophet (sallalahu alaihi wasalam), his sahaba, and those before him......today, there is very little that sets Makkah apart from every other city in this dunya.



:wa:
No Music Version - please don't delete this one:
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Signor
05-21-2012, 08:03 AM
The Destruction Of Mecca
Saudi Hardliners Wiping Out Their Own Heritage

By Daniel Howden
The Independent - UK
8-5-5
Historic Mecca, the cradle of Islam, is being buried in an unprecedented onslaught by religious zealots. Almost all of the rich and multi-layered history of the holy city is gone. The Washington-based Gulf Institute estimates that 95 per cent of millennium-old buildings have been demolished in the past two decades. Now the actual birthplace of the Prophet Mohamed is facing the bulldozers, with the connivance of Saudi religious authorities whose hardline interpretation of Islam is compelling them to wipe out their own heritage. It is the same oil-rich orthodoxy that pumped money into the Taliban as they prepared to detonate the Bamiyan buddhas in 2000. And the same doctrine - violently opposed to all forms of idolatry - that this week decreed that the Saudis' own king be buried in an unmarked desert grave. A Saudi architect, Sami Angawi, who is an acknowledged specialist on the region's Islamic architecture, told The Independent that the final farewell to Mecca is imminent: "What we are witnessing are the last days of Mecca and Medina." According to Dr Angawi - who has dedicated his life to preserving Islam's two holiest cities - as few as 20 structures are left that date back to the lifetime of the Prophet 1,400 years ago and those that remain could be bulldozed at any time. "This is the end of history in Mecca and Medina and the end of their future," said Dr Angawi. Mecca is the most visited pilgrimage site in the world. It is home to the Grand Mosque and, along with the nearby city of Medina which houses the Prophet's tomb, receives four million people annually as they undertake the Islamic duty of the Haj and Umra pilgrimages. The driving force behind the demolition campaign that has transformed these cities is Wahhabism. This, the austere state faith of Saudi Arabia, was imported by the al-Saud tribal chieftains when they conquered the region in the 1920s. The motive behind the destruction is the Wahhabists' fanatical fear that places of historical and religious interest could give rise to idolatry or polytheism, the worship of multiple and potentially equal gods. The practice of idolatry in Saudi Arabia remains, in principle at least, punishable by beheading. This same literalism mandates that advertising posters can and need to be altered. The walls of Jeddah are adorned with ads featuring people deliberately missing an eye or with a foot painted over. These contrived imperfections are the most glaring sign of an orthodoxy that tolerates nothing which fosters adulation of the graven image. Nothing can, or can be seen to, interfere with a person's devotion to Allah. "At the root of the problem is Wahhabism," says Dr Angawi. "They have a big complex about idolatry and anything that relates to the Prophet." The Wahhabists now have the birthplace of the Prophet in their sights. The site survived redevelopment early in the reign of King Abdul al-Aziz ibn Saud 50 years ago when the architect for a library there persuaded the absolute ruler to allow him to keep the remains under the new structure. That concession is under threat after Saudi authorities approved plans to "update" the library with a new structure that would concrete over the existing foundations and their priceless remains. Dr Angawi is the descendant of a respected merchant family in Jeddah and a leading figure in the Hijaz - a swath of the kingdom that includes the holy cities and runs from the mountains bordering Yemen in the south to the northern shores of the Red Sea and the frontier with Jordan. He established the Haj Research Centre two decades ago to preserve the rich history of Mecca and Medina. Yet it has largely been a doomed effort. He says that the bulldozers could come "at any time" and the Prophet's birthplace would be gone in a single night. He is not alone in his concerns. The Gulf Institute, an independent news-gathering group, has publicised what it says is a fatwa, issued by the senior Saudi council of religious scholars in 1994, stating that preserving historical sites "could lead to polytheism and idolatry". Ali al-Ahmed, the head of the organisation, formerly known as the Saudi Institute, said: "The destruction of Islamic landmarks in Hijaz is the largest in history, and worse than the desecration of the Koran." Most of the buildings have suffered the same fate as the house of Ali-Oraid, the grandson of the Prophet, which was identified and excavated by Dr Angawi. After its discovery, King Fahd ordered that it be bulldozed before it could become a pilgrimage site. "The bulldozer is there and they take only two hours to destroy everything. It has no sensitivity to history. It digs down to the bedrock and then the concrete is poured in," he said. Similarly, finds by a Lebanese professor, Kamal Salibi, which indicated that once-Jewish villages in what is now Saudi Arabia might have been the location of scenes from the Bible, prompted the bulldozers to be sent in. All traces were destroyed. This depressing pattern of excavation and demolition has led Dr Angawi and his colleagues to keep secret a number of locations in the holy cities that could date back as far as the time of Abraham. The ruling House of Saud has been bound to Wahhabism since the religious reformer Mohamed Ibn abdul-Wahab signed a pact with Mohammed bin Saud in 1744. The combination of the al-Saud clan and Wahhab's warrior zealots became the foundation of the modern state. The House of Saud received its wealth and power and the hardline clerics got the state backing that would enable them in the decades to come to promote their Wahhabist ideology across the globe. On the tailcoats of the religious zealots have come commercial developers keen to fill the historic void left by demolitions with lucrative high-rises. "The man-made history of Mecca has gone and now the Mecca that God made is going as well." Says Dr Angawi. "The projects that are coming up are going to finish them historically, architecturally and environmentally," he said. With the annual pilgrimage expected to increase five-fold to 20 million in the coming years as Saudi authorities relax entry controls, estate agencies are seeing a chance to cash in on huge demand for accommodation. "The infrastructure at the moment cannot cope. New hotels, apartments and services are badly needed," the director of a leading Saudi estate agency told Reuters. Despite an estimated $13bn in development cash currently washing around Mecca, Saudi sceptics dismiss the developers' argument. "The service of pilgrims is not the goal really," says Mr Ahmed. "If they were concerned for the pilgrims, they would have built a railroad between Mecca and Jeddah, and Mecca and Medina. They are removing any historical landmark that is not Saudi-Wahhabi, and using the prime location to make money," he says. Dominating these new developments is the Jabal Omar scheme which will feature two 50-storey hotel towers and seven 35-storey apartment blocks - all within a stone's throw of the Grand Mosque. Dr Angawi said: "Mecca should be the reflection of the multicultural Muslim world, not a concrete parking lot." Whereas proposals for high-rise developments in Jerusalem have prompted a worldwide outcry and the Taliban's demolition of the Bamiyan buddhas was condemned by Unicef, Mecca's busy bulldozers have barely raised a whisper of protest. "The house where the Prophet received the word of God is gone and nobody cares," says Dr Angawi. "I don't want trouble. I just want this to stop."

Source:http://www.rense.com/general67/mecca.htm

(Original Link No Longer Exists)
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Imaduddin
05-21-2012, 08:15 AM
Maybe it's rude of me to say this, but I am amazed how people know of this and everyone is waiting on someone else to come and take care of our troubles. Go ahead call the US and NATO, it's not like 1.6 billion Muslims are worth anything. All we know is 5 daily prayers and telling Allah what to do. For some reason it is his duty to obey us because we are too attached to the dunya and we fear death.

I have been reading upon things of this nature and the comments of people have always been "O Allah send us a Salahud-din", "Send us a Khalid bin Walid". Why doesn't anyone say "O Allah make me like the Sahaba and to love death more than the dunya"?

A scholar has said that when the people will become corrupt they will have the worst leaders. I think that rings quite a few bells doesn't it.
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Jedi_Mindset
05-22-2012, 06:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Said_Soussi
It's a big shame what those 'people' are doing to the Haramein and yet the Ummah keeps on sleeping ??


ps I have a feeling i know brothers Scimitar and Jedi_Mindset from somewhere:D
:)

I'm brother Ridwhan from WUP yes, how do you know?


Ontopic:

Kuddos to the poster above me, you said it quite well Masha'Allah
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Said_Soussi
05-22-2012, 09:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
:)

I'm brother Ridwhan from WUP yes, how do you know?


Ontopic:

Kuddos to the poster above me, you said it quite well Masha'Allah
Op WUP zag ik dat je iets met jedi (starwars) had, vandaar.


on-topic:
3 words for that hideous tower = INSULT TO ISLAM

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hDeQJx6aqQU
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Txyib
05-22-2012, 09:18 PM
salaam
inna lillah he wa inna elayhe raaji oon
i cannot believe this is happening upon the society ,la hawla why dont the muslims open up their eyes and see what a terrible thing they are doing ,destroying some of the most important landmarks and objects.i think that there should be a letter sent to the king informing him about what is happening and what EFFECT this is having upon the muslims and other people who are thinking bad due to the fact that the "so called " holiest cities are being transformed into luxury style hotels and inna lillah we cant even bear to see how the conditions are of the poor people in saudi.
wasalam
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Said_Soussi
05-22-2012, 09:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by tayib786
salaam
inna lillah he wa inna elayhe raaji oon
i cannot believe this is happening upon the society ,la hawla why dont the muslims open up their eyes and see what a terrible thing they are doing ,destroying some of the most important landmarks and objects.i think that there should be a letter sent to the king informing him about what is happening and what EFFECT this is having upon the muslims and other people who are thinking bad due to the fact that the "so called " holiest cities are being transformed into luxury style hotels and inna lillah we cant even bear to see how the conditions are of the poor people in saudi.
wasalam
My brother, that ''king'' knows what is happening there because he is the one doing it (giving permission for it).
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dysphoricrocker
05-23-2012, 12:32 PM
It's just getting worst aint it :hmm:
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Said_Soussi
05-23-2012, 12:45 PM
It may seem so brother, but Islam will never be defeated!
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dysphoricrocker
05-23-2012, 12:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Said_Soussi
It may seem so brother, but Islam will never be defeated!
Aye. Thanks for the reminder brother.
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Said_Soussi
05-23-2012, 02:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by dysphoricrocker
Aye. Thanks for the reminder brother.
No problem at all, brother.

''They'' are ruining if not destroying the Haramein.
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Scimitar
05-23-2012, 03:14 PM
This is the vid that bro Said_Souusi posted earlier, but he didnt know how to embed it so :



Watch this all.

Scimi
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Txyib
05-23-2012, 03:40 PM
salaam
i just dont know what is happening ? does it mean its getting close to day of qiyamah
im thinking how can a person do hajj at least once a year in their lifetime when the prices are high due to luxury
should it not be that the muslims are going for doing umrah and hajj and not about quality or does that matter,how can such people afford to pay extreme prices ,brothers think about it (and sisters)
i think that this is not good as i have already seen the extension which is good and they will have grey minarets and stuff,but how will so many people visit such a holy place and pay the price meaning what iis the point of extending it so much so another few million people could access the haram
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SyedSaboor
05-23-2012, 03:58 PM
That is why I advocate breaking up the umma. Let's divide along the basis of race, nationality, etc.. Muslims should unite around religion, but around their racial heritage. Keep the races seperate and pure!!!!!!!
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Muezzin
05-23-2012, 07:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by SyedSaboor
That is why I advocate breaking up the umma. Let's divide along the basis of race, nationality, etc.. Muslims should unite around religion, but around their racial heritage. Keep the races seperate and pure!!!!!!!
What gives you the impression that Islam is about racial purity?

I'm talking about Islam the religion, not the alleged acts of certain Muslims who are flawed because they are human.
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Said_Soussi
05-23-2012, 07:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by SyedSaboor
That is why I advocate breaking up the umma. Let's divide along the basis of race, nationality, etc.. Muslims should unite around religion, but around their racial heritage. Keep the races seperate and pure!!!!!!!
That has to be the most STUPID thing i've heard in my life!
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