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cuezed
05-05-2012, 06:34 PM
aslamualaikum

there are those who repeat "Allahu Allahu Allahu" repeatedly as zikr. is this ok? does it make sense?
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Muhammad
05-05-2012, 06:54 PM
Wa Alaykum Assalaam brother,

All acts of worship that we do must be according to the Qur'an and Sunnah. Repeating the Name of Allaah (swt) on its own as you have described is not the way the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) or his Companions taught us to do dhikr of Allaah (swt), therefore we should not do it. And Allaah (swt) knows best.
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aadil77
05-05-2012, 08:45 PM
:wa:

Doesn't 'Allahu' mean 'Allah is'? would it make sense repeating this?

Why not repeat something that actually praises Allah (swt), like AllahuAkbar?
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cuezed
05-06-2012, 07:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vspqUSxJAjY
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Endymion
05-06-2012, 08:00 AM
:sl:

I have found this answer from Khalid Zaheer website.Really logical explanation.Hope it will help you.

http://www.khalidzaheer.com/qa/208


In my city,there is a person who has connection with saints.They have a very large setup where they guide people,give them amulets and wadhaif and they cure people through herbal medicine and they have a meditation centre where people go and practice this Allahu thing.Majority of people said they find relief in this practice.I never find anything wrong in all that what they do to help people (just once i disagree with them) but reading the article above,i think one should strictly follow Quran and Sunnah and nothing else.
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Periwinkle18
05-06-2012, 08:03 AM
hmm good ques... cuz ova here wen mums put they're kids to sleep they pat them on the back n say Allahu.
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cuezed
05-09-2012, 07:59 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Periwinkle18
hmm good ques... cuz ova here wen mums put they're kids to sleep they pat them on the back n say Allahu.
this is what my family and i have been doing to get my kids to sleep. but i just thought it dont sound right.
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~ Sabr ~
05-09-2012, 08:18 AM
:salamext:

If we were repeating one of the names of Allaah then that would make more sense?
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Periwinkle18
05-09-2012, 08:35 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by cuezed
but i just thought it dont sound right.
y doesnt it sound rite?? ppl here recite Allahu alone alot... hmm duno will hav to ask a Alim/scholar abt it
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cuezed
05-09-2012, 08:56 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Periwinkle18
y doesnt it sound rite?? ppl here recite Allahu alone alot... hmm duno will hav to ask a Alim/scholar abt it
What does it literally mean? Allah is, Allah is etc etc
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~ Sabr ~
05-09-2012, 09:07 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by cuezed
What does it literally mean? Allah is, Allah is etc etc
Allah Hu means "God, Just He!" In Arabic Allah means God and with Hu, as an intensive added to Allah, means "God himself."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_(Sufism)
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Periwinkle18
05-09-2012, 09:13 AM
thts wht i was thinking Hu means He in arabic why is everyone saying tht it means is??
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~ Sabr ~
05-09-2012, 09:15 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Periwinkle18
thts wht i was thinking Hu means He in arabic why is everyone saying tht it means is??
I think they derive that from Allaahu Akbar - Allaah is Great
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Periwinkle18
05-09-2012, 09:16 AM
ahaan now i get it lol

JazakAllah sis :)
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AhlaamBella
05-09-2012, 10:59 AM
I find it better to recite the shahadah whilst patting my son on the back. Now he is 1 and he joins in mashaAllah :)
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Periwinkle18
05-09-2012, 12:54 PM
aww mashaAllah my sis recites the shahadah while putting her son to bed :)
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Tawangar
05-13-2012, 09:11 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by cuezed
aslamualaikum

there are those who repeat "Allahu Allahu Allahu" repeatedly as zikr. is this ok? does it make sense?
:wa:

It is allowed.

Saying Allah Allah alone is proven from two ahadith of Sahih Muslim, both in the Book of Faith.

1. “The Hour will not rise until Allah, Allah is no longer said on earth”

2. “The Hour will not rise on anyone saying Allah Allah”

Imam Nawawi al-Shafii' said, “Know that the narrations of this hadith are unanimous in the repetition of the name of Allah the Exalted for both versions and that is the way it is found in all the authoritative books.”(Sharh Sahih Muslim)

This is a general hadith and there is no exclusion in it for considering that saying 'Allah Allah' as dhikr is disallowed.

In so far as making sense from the point of view of Arabic grammar (Nahw) and the grammarians is concerned, here is a detailed answer by Shaykh al Hadith Mawlana Zakariyya Kandhalwi:

http://www.ilmgate.org/on-objections-to-the-practice-of-darb-in-dhikr/

Hope that helps.

:wa:



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Insaanah
05-13-2012, 02:57 PM
:sl:

format_quote Originally Posted by Muhammad
All acts of worship that we do must be according to the Qur'an and Sunnah. Repeating the Name of Allaah (swt) on its own as you have described is not the way the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) or his Companions taught us to do dhikr of Allaah (swt), therefore we should not do it. And Allaah (swt) knows best.
format_quote Originally Posted by Tawangar
It is allowed.
One must be careful when using the ahadeeth as evidence for the permissibility of something, to see if the Prophet :saws: and his companions (may Allah be pleased with them) understood the hadeeth that way or not, and practised on it according to that understanding, rather than applying our own understandings.

The link provided in the post above admits that this practice is done among Sufi groups:

as done in the Chishti tariqah
The primary form of dhikr according to the Naqshbandis is the word Allah
what is more sound according to the Naqshbandis is that there is no phrase[10] but one shall say Allah and then meditate the purity of His essence without composing a sentence.”
This (the dhikr of the name of Allah) is not particular to any one individual Silsilah. In fact it is prevalent in all Silsilahs in different ways.
The person answering appears to show his own personal opinion on one of the great Islamic scholars:

He often reads the books of Hafiz Ibn al-Qayyim who is extreme
That aside, this is the comment on the hadeeth:

Some shaykhs have also presented proof from the hadith: “The Day of Reckoning will not be established as long as ‘Allah, Allah’ is uttered on earth.” The objectors say the meaning of this hadith is general[9] (‘am). This is correct. However, this interpretation [of being allowed to do the dhikr of 'Allah, Allah'] also comes under this general meaning. There is no proof of exclusion.
format_quote Originally Posted by Tawangar
Imam Nawawi al-Shafii' said, “Know that the narrations of this hadith are unanimous in the repetition of the name of Allah the Exalted for both versions and that is the way it is found in all the authoritative books.”(Sharh Sahih Muslim)
In some versions of this hadeeth, it says: “The Hour will not begin so long as anyone says ‘Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah.’”

This version was narrated by Ahmad in al-Musnad (3/268) and by Ibn Hibbaan in his Saheeh (15/262) and al-Haakim (4/540). It is also one of the versions narrated by Muslim, as was narrated by al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad from Ibn Abi Ja’far. See: al-Nawawi, Sharh Muslim (2/178).

This version explains the first version, that the Hour will not come upon those who believe in Tawheed and who say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah.

“The Hour will not rise on anyone saying Allah Allah”
The hadeeth cannot mean that the Hour will not come upon the one who do zhikr of Allah by His name on its own, and it will come upon those who mention Him by something other than that. The most that can be said is that if this meaning was to be taken, if the hadeeth is to be taken literally as above, it would be that it is mustahabb to mention the name of Allaah on its own, but not obligatory. This gives the erroneous meaning that the Hour would come upon those who omit something mustahabb, i.e. that if the Muslims continue to do all their obligatory duties and adhere to sound belief, but they omit this mustahabb matter of saying Allah Allah, the Hour will come upon them. This does not make sense, and isn't the way the Prophet :saws: or companions (may Allah be pleased with them) applied the hadeeth.

The Sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them) and the Taabi’een who came after them did not understand from this hadeeth that one should do dhikr by saying the name of Allah on its own, and it is not narrated that any of them derived this idea from this hadeeth, or practised it, and nobody understood the ahadeeth better than them.

Had the meaning of the hadeeth been as mentioned above, the Prophet :saws: and his companions (may Allah be pleased with them) would have been the first ones to teach as 'Allah, Allah' as zhikr, and would have done it themselves, but they did not view the hadeeth as meaning that. So many azhkaar they have taught us, that have immense rewards, such as washing away sins even if they are as much as the foam on all the seas, or whoever recites in the morning or evening and dies before the latter part of the day will enter paradise, and lots more, all carrying a complete meaning, and conveying a sense of praise of Him by mentioning some of His attributes, but none mentioned Allah Allah, which is strange if it has such importance as to save us from the Hour.

So, it is not narrated from the Prophet :saws: or His companions (may Allah be pleased with them) or the early generations of Muslims that the Muslim should sit remembering Allah by saying His name on its own, so a e.g. a person says one hundred times “Allaah, Allaah, Allaah,” as is done by many tareeqahs. Its explanation is given in the report narrated by Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad: “The Hour will not begin so long as there is anyone on the face of the earth who says Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah."

The mention of the name on its own in the first report is a metaphor for Tawheed, and what that means is that the Hour will not begin whilst there is still anyone on the face of the earth who worships Allah.

This is stated clearly in the hadeeth of Abu Sam’aan that is narrated in Saheeh Muslim, in which it says that when Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, wants the Hour to begin, He will send a good wind which will take the soul of every believer, and there will be no one left on the face of the earth except the most evil of mankind, and upon them the Hour will come.

Hadeeth quotes taken from: http://islamqa.info/en/ref/91305/dhikr%20%20%20allaahu

Certainly one should stick to those ways of zhikr narrated from the Prophet :saws: in the hadeeth, ways whose reward is stated and guaranteed inshaa'Allah and so great, and they are beautiful, complete phrases, praising, glorifying, exalting, magnifying Allah, and seeking His forgiveness, the exact same phrases that were said by our beloved Prophet :saws:'s lips.

And Allah knows best in matters, an may He forgive me if I said anything wrong.
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Tawangar
05-15-2012, 08:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Insaanah
:sl:





One must be careful when using the ahadeeth as evidence for the permissibility of something, to see if the Prophet :saws: and his companions (may Allah be pleased with them) understood the hadeeth that way or not, and practised on it according to that understanding, rather than applying our own understandings.

The link provided in the post above admits that this practice is done among Sufi groups:






The person answering appears to show his own personal opinion on one of the great Islamic scholars:



That aside, this is the comment on the hadeeth:





In some versions of this hadeeth, it says: “The Hour will not begin so long as anyone says ‘Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah.’”

This version was narrated by Ahmad in al-Musnad (3/268) and by Ibn Hibbaan in his Saheeh (15/262) and al-Haakim (4/540). It is also one of the versions narrated by Muslim, as was narrated by al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad from Ibn Abi Ja’far. See: al-Nawawi, Sharh Muslim (2/178).

This version explains the first version, that the Hour will not come upon those who believe in Tawheed and who say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah.



The hadeeth cannot mean that the Hour will not come upon the one who do zhikr of Allah by His name on its own, and it will come upon those who mention Him by something other than that. The most that can be said is that if this meaning was to be taken, if the hadeeth is to be taken literally as above, it would be that it is mustahabb to mention the name of Allaah on its own, but not obligatory. This gives the erroneous meaning that the Hour would come upon those who omit something mustahabb, i.e. that if the Muslims continue to do all their obligatory duties and adhere to sound belief, but they omit this mustahabb matter of saying Allah Allah, the Hour will come upon them. This does not make sense, and isn't the way the Prophet :saws: or companions (may Allah be pleased with them) applied the hadeeth.

The Sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them) and the Taabi’een who came after them did not understand from this hadeeth that one should do dhikr by saying the name of Allah on its own, and it is not narrated that any of them derived this idea from this hadeeth, or practised it, and nobody understood the ahadeeth better than them.

Had the meaning of the hadeeth been as mentioned above, the Prophet :saws: and his companions (may Allah be pleased with them) would have been the first ones to teach as 'Allah, Allah' as zhikr, and would have done it themselves, but they did not view the hadeeth as meaning that. So many azhkaar they have taught us, that have immense rewards, such as washing away sins even if they are as much as the foam on all the seas, or whoever recites in the morning or evening and dies before the latter part of the day will enter paradise, and lots more, all carrying a complete meaning, and conveying a sense of praise of Him by mentioning some of His attributes, but none mentioned Allah Allah, which is strange if it has such importance as to save us from the Hour.

So, it is not narrated from the Prophet :saws: or His companions (may Allah be pleased with them) or the early generations of Muslims that the Muslim should sit remembering Allah by saying His name on its own, so a e.g. a person says one hundred times “Allaah, Allaah, Allaah,” as is done by many tareeqahs. Its explanation is given in the report narrated by Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad: “The Hour will not begin so long as there is anyone on the face of the earth who says Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah."

The mention of the name on its own in the first report is a metaphor for Tawheed, and what that means is that the Hour will not begin whilst there is still anyone on the face of the earth who worships Allah.

This is stated clearly in the hadeeth of Abu Sam’aan that is narrated in Saheeh Muslim, in which it says that when Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, wants the Hour to begin, He will send a good wind which will take the soul of every believer, and there will be no one left on the face of the earth except the most evil of mankind, and upon them the Hour will come.

Hadeeth quotes taken from: http://islamqa.info/en/ref/91305/dhikr allaahu

Certainly one should stick to those ways of zhikr narrated from the Prophet :saws: in the hadeeth, ways whose reward is stated and guaranteed inshaa'Allah and so great, and they are beautiful, complete phrases, praising, glorifying, exalting, magnifying Allah, and seeking His forgiveness, the exact same phrases that were said by our beloved Prophet :saws:'s lips.

And Allah knows best in matters, an may He forgive me if I said anything wrong.
One must be careful when using the ahadeeth as evidence for the permissibility of something, to see if the Prophet and his companions (may Allah be pleased with them) understood the hadeeth that way or not, and practised on it according to that understanding, rather than applying our own understandings.
The link provided in the post above admits that this practice is done among Sufi groups:

Wa’laykum Salam.
One must be careful not to let one’s lack of knowledge lead him/her away from good. It seems that Bilal the Abyssinian understood things the same way that the people of spiritual rectification do, because he used to say, “Ahad! Ahad!” when tortured by his brutal master. The link that is provided in the post clearly states the stand of the Sufi groups because it is not exaggeration to say that they are the Ahl Dhikr. It would be no exaggeration either to say that those who talk about Qur’an and Sunna all the time hardly ever do the dhikr of Allah – indeed they are known to look down on it.


The person answering appears to show his own personal opinion on one of the great Islamic scholars:

When a non-scholar refers to a scholar as “the person answering” then it shows his/her personal opinion regarding the ‘Ulama of Islam. It is easy to spot the speck in a brother’s eye while disregarding the beam in one’s own.

That aside, this is the comment on the hadeeth:

In some versions of this hadeeth, it says: “The Hour will not begin so long as anyone says ‘Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah.’”

This version was narrated by Ahmad in al-Musnad (3/268) and by Ibn Hibbaan in his Saheeh (15/262) and al-Haakim (4/540). It is also one of the versions narrated by Muslim, as was narrated by al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad from Ibn Abi Ja’far. See: al-Nawawi, Sharh Muslim (2/178).

This version explains the first version, that the Hour will not come upon those who believe in Tawheed and who say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah.
The hadeeth cannot mean that the Hour will not come upon the one who do zhikr of Allah by His name on its own, and it will come upon those who mention Him by something other than that. The most that can be said is that if this meaning was to be taken, if the hadeeth is to be taken literally as above, it would be that it is mustahabb to mention the name of Allaah on its own, but not obligatory. This gives the erroneous meaning that the Hour would come upon those who omit something mustahabb, i.e. that if the Muslims continue to do all their obligatory duties and adhere to sound belief, but they omit this mustahabb matter of saying Allah Allah, the Hour will come upon them. This does not make sense, and isn't the way the Prophet :saws: or companions (may Allah be pleased with them) applied the hadeeth.

The Sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them) and the Taabi’een who came after them did not understand from this hadeeth that one should do dhikr by saying the name of Allah on its own, and it is not narrated that any of them derived this idea from this hadeeth, or practised it, and nobody understood the ahadeeth better than them.

Had the meaning of the hadeeth been as mentioned above, the Prophet :saws: and his companions (may Allah be pleased with them) would have been the first ones to teach as 'Allah, Allah' as zhikr, and would have done it themselves, but they did not view the hadeeth as meaning that. So many azhkaar they have taught us, that have immense rewards, such as washing away sins even if they are as much as the foam on all the seas, or whoever recites in the morning or evening and dies before the latter part of the day will enter paradise, and lots more, all carrying a complete meaning, and conveying a sense of praise of Him by mentioning some of His attributes, but none mentioned Allah Allah, which is strange if it has such importance as to save us from the Hour.

So, it is not narrated from the Prophet :saws: or His companions (may Allah be pleased with them) or the early generations of Muslims that the Muslim should sit remembering Allah by saying His name on its own, so a e.g. a person says one hundred times “Allaah, Allaah, Allaah,” as is done by many tareeqahs. Its explanation is given in the report narrated by Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad: “The Hour will not begin so long as there is anyone on the face of the earth who says Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah."

The mention of the name on its own in the first report is a metaphor for Tawheed, and what that means is that the Hour will not begin whilst there is still anyone on the face of the earth who worships Allah.

This is stated clearly in the hadeeth of Abu Sam’aan that is narrated in Saheeh Muslim, in which it says that when Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, wants the Hour to begin, He will send a good wind which will take the soul of every believer, and there will be no one left on the face of the earth except the most evil of mankind, and upon them the Hour will come.

Hadeeth quotes taken from: http://islamqa.info/en/ref/91305/dhikr allaahu

Certainly one should stick to those ways of zhikr narrated from the Prophet :saws: in the hadeeth, ways whose reward is stated and guaranteed inshaa'Allah and so great, and they are beautiful, complete phrases, praising, glorifying, exalting, magnifying Allah, and seeking His forgiveness, the exact same phrases that were said by our beloved Prophet :saws:'s lips.

This is absolutely unnecessary taweel of the original Hadith in order to reach a pre-determined conclusion. The words of the Hadith are absolutely sareeh and mention the words ‘Allah, Allah’. Neither are they contradictory to the other variations that have come in lesser sahih books. One does not leave the wordings of Sahih Muslim for the wordings of Musnad Ahmad. Not only that but the words of Sahih Muslim confirm the words of the Qur’an itself!
Surely by mentioning Allah hearts become peaceful. 13:28
It is obvious that only the people of Tawheed will say ‘Allah, Allah’ and not the disbelievers.
Further: "No people mention Allah but the angels surround them, mercy covers them, tranquility descends on them, and ALLAH mentions them to those who are with Him." (Muslim, Tirmidhi)


And Allah knows best in matters, an may He forgive me if I said anything wrong.

Aameen.
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aadil77
05-15-2012, 09:50 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Tawangar
One must be careful when using the ahadeeth as evidence for the permissibility of something, to see if the Prophet and his companions (may Allah be pleased with them) understood the hadeeth that way or not, and practised on it according to that understanding, rather than applying our own understandings.
The link provided in the post above admits that this practice is done among Sufi groups:

Wa’laykum Salam.
One must be careful not to let one’s lack of knowledge lead him/her away from good. It seems that Bilal the Abyssinian understood things the same way that the people of spiritual rectification do, because he used to say, “Ahad! Ahad!” when tortured by his brutal master. The link that is provided in the post clearly states the stand of the Sufi groups because it is not exaggeration to say that they are the Ahl Dhikr. It would be no exaggeration either to say that those who talk about Qur’an and Sunna all the time hardly ever do the dhikr of Allah – indeed they are known to look down on it.


The person answering appears to show his own personal opinion on one of the great Islamic scholars:

When a non-scholar refers to a scholar as “the person answering” then it shows his/her personal opinion regarding the ‘Ulama of Islam. It is easy to spot the speck in a brother’s eye while disregarding the beam in one’s own.

That aside, this is the comment on the hadeeth:

In some versions of this hadeeth, it says: “The Hour will not begin so long as anyone says ‘Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah.’”

This version was narrated by Ahmad in al-Musnad (3/268) and by Ibn Hibbaan in his Saheeh (15/262) and al-Haakim (4/540). It is also one of the versions narrated by Muslim, as was narrated by al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad from Ibn Abi Ja’far. See: al-Nawawi, Sharh Muslim (2/178).

This version explains the first version, that the Hour will not come upon those who believe in Tawheed and who say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah.
The hadeeth cannot mean that the Hour will not come upon the one who do zhikr of Allah by His name on its own, and it will come upon those who mention Him by something other than that. The most that can be said is that if this meaning was to be taken, if the hadeeth is to be taken literally as above, it would be that it is mustahabb to mention the name of Allaah on its own, but not obligatory. This gives the erroneous meaning that the Hour would come upon those who omit something mustahabb, i.e. that if the Muslims continue to do all their obligatory duties and adhere to sound belief, but they omit this mustahabb matter of saying Allah Allah, the Hour will come upon them. This does not make sense, and isn't the way the Prophet :saws: or companions (may Allah be pleased with them) applied the hadeeth.

The Sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them) and the Taabi’een who came after them did not understand from this hadeeth that one should do dhikr by saying the name of Allah on its own, and it is not narrated that any of them derived this idea from this hadeeth, or practised it, and nobody understood the ahadeeth better than them.

Had the meaning of the hadeeth been as mentioned above, the Prophet :saws: and his companions (may Allah be pleased with them) would have been the first ones to teach as 'Allah, Allah' as zhikr, and would have done it themselves, but they did not view the hadeeth as meaning that. So many azhkaar they have taught us, that have immense rewards, such as washing away sins even if they are as much as the foam on all the seas, or whoever recites in the morning or evening and dies before the latter part of the day will enter paradise, and lots more, all carrying a complete meaning, and conveying a sense of praise of Him by mentioning some of His attributes, but none mentioned Allah Allah, which is strange if it has such importance as to save us from the Hour.

So, it is not narrated from the Prophet :saws: or His companions (may Allah be pleased with them) or the early generations of Muslims that the Muslim should sit remembering Allah by saying His name on its own, so a e.g. a person says one hundred times “Allaah, Allaah, Allaah,” as is done by many tareeqahs. Its explanation is given in the report narrated by Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad: “The Hour will not begin so long as there is anyone on the face of the earth who says Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah."

The mention of the name on its own in the first report is a metaphor for Tawheed, and what that means is that the Hour will not begin whilst there is still anyone on the face of the earth who worships Allah.

This is stated clearly in the hadeeth of Abu Sam’aan that is narrated in Saheeh Muslim, in which it says that when Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, wants the Hour to begin, He will send a good wind which will take the soul of every believer, and there will be no one left on the face of the earth except the most evil of mankind, and upon them the Hour will come.

Hadeeth quotes taken from: http://islamqa.info/en/ref/91305/dhikr allaahu

Certainly one should stick to those ways of zhikr narrated from the Prophet :saws: in the hadeeth, ways whose reward is stated and guaranteed inshaa'Allah and so great, and they are beautiful, complete phrases, praising, glorifying, exalting, magnifying Allah, and seeking His forgiveness, the exact same phrases that were said by our beloved Prophet :saws:'s lips.

This is absolutely unnecessary taweel of the original Hadith in order to reach a pre-determined conclusion. The words of the Hadith are absolutely sareeh and mention the words ‘Allah, Allah’. Neither are they contradictory to the other variations that have come in lesser sahih books. One does not leave the wordings of Sahih Muslim for the wordings of Musnad Ahmad. Not only that but the words of Sahih Muslim confirm the words of the Qur’an itself!
Surely by mentioning Allah hearts become peaceful. 13:28
It is obvious that only the people of Tawheed will say ‘Allah, Allah’ and not the disbelievers.
Further: "No people mention Allah but the angels surround them, mercy covers them, tranquility descends on them, and ALLAH mentions them to those who are with Him." (Muslim, Tirmidhi)


And Allah knows best in matters, an may He forgive me if I said anything wrong.

Aameen.
:sl:

Lets just accept there is a difference of opinion

Is there any harm in repeating the names of Allah SWT?
As zikr, or anything else?
I understand saying "Astagh firullah" or "Subhan Allah" or "Alhamdo Lillah" are ok...

Praise be to Allaah.

There is no doubt that it is bid’ah to mention the name of Allaah on its own or –even worse – to repeat the pronoun “Huwa” (“He”). Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The Name of Allaah on its own, either as a noun (“Allaah”) or a pronoun (“Huwa”) is not a complete phrase or meaningful sentence. It has no implications to do with eemaan (faith) or kufr (disbelief), commands or prohibitions. This was not mentioned by anyone from the Salaf (early generations) of this ummah, and it was not prescribed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). It does not bring any knowledge to the heart or bestow any kind of benefit upon it. All it does is give an unclear idea which is not defined by any negation or affirmation. Unless there is previous knowledge in a person's mind or he is in a state of mind where he could benefit from this, he gains no benefit at all. Islam prescribes adhkaar which in and of themselves bring benefit to the heart, without any such need for anything else.

Some of those who persisted in this kind of “dhikr” ended up in various kinds of heresies and ideas of “wahdat al-wujood” (unity of all that exists, pantheism), as has been explained in detail elsewhere.

It was mentioned that one of the shaykhs said: “I am afraid of dying between negation and affirmation”, but this is not an example to be followed, because it is obviously erroneous. If a person were to die in this state, he would die according to his intention, because actions are judged by intention. It was reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded us to tell the dying person to say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah, and he said, “Anyone whose last words are Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah will enter Paradise.” If this word (Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah) was something which required caution, why should we tell the dying person to say something which, if he dies in the middle of saying it, will lead to an improper death? Rather, if this were the case, he would be told to say “Allaah, Allaah” or “Huwa, Huwa.”

Mentioning the pronoun on its own is further removed from the Sunnah and is a worse kind of bid’ah, which is closer to the misguidance of the Shaytaan. If a person says “Yaa Huwa, yaa Huwaa (O He, O He)” or “Huwa, Huwa (He, He)” and so on, the pronoun does not refer to anything except whatever his heart imagines, and hearts may be guided or misguided.

Some shaykhs use as evidence to support saying “Allaah” (the name on its own) the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: ‘Allaah.’ Then leave them…” [al-An’aam 6:91]. They think that Allaah commanded His Prophet to say His Name on its own, but this is a mistake according to the consensus of the scholars, because the meaning of the phrase “Say ‘Allaah’” is that it is Allaah Who sent down the Book which was brought by Moosa. This is in response to the question:

“Say (O Muhammad): ‘Who then sent down the Book which Moosa (Moses) brought, a light and a guidance to mankind which you (the Jews) have made into (separate) paper sheets, disclosing (some of it) and concealing (much). And you (believers in Allaah and His Messenger Muhammad) were taught (through the Qur’aan) that which neither you nor your fathers knew.’ Say: ‘Allaah (sent it down).’” [al-An’aam 6:91 – interpretation of the meaning], i.e., Allaah is the One Who revealed the Book which was brought by Moosa. This is a refutation of the view of those who said, “Nothing did Allaah send down to any human being (by Revelation)” [al-An’aam 6:91 – interpretation of the meaning]. Allaah says: Who then sent down the Book which Moosa brought? Then He says: Say Allaah sent it down, then leave these liars to play in their vain discussions.

What we have said above is further explained by the comments of Seebawayh and other grammarians, who noted that when the Arabs say “Qaala” (or other forms of the verb meaning “to say”), they do not quote verbatim, rather they state what was said, giving a complete meaning. So what follows is a sentence with a complete meaning, or a nominal sentence or a verbal sentence. Hence after saying “qaala” they give a kasrah to the particle “anna” (making it “inna”); “qaala” cannot be followed by a noun standing alone. Allaah did not command anyone to mention His Name on its own, and it is not prescribed for the Muslims to say His Name on its own. Saying His Name on its own does not enhance faith or explain anything about the religion, according to the consensus of the scholars of Islam; it is not enjoined in any act of worship or in any case where Allaah addresses them.

(Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 10/226-229)

And he (may Allaah have mercy on him) also said:

Repeating the Name of Allaah on its own, such as saying “Allaah, Allaah,” or the pronoun, such as “Huwa, Huwa” is not prescribed in either the Qur’aan or the Sunnah. It is not reported that any of the salaf of this ummah or any of the righteous scholars who are taken as examples did this. It is only spoken by misguided people of the later generations.

Perhaps they are following a shaykh who had no control over himself in this regard, such as al-Shubli who, it was narrated, used to say ‘Allaah, Allaah.’ It was said to him, ‘Why do you not say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah?’ He said, “I am afraid of dying between the negation [saying La ilaaha (there is no god)] and the affirmation [ill-Allaah (except Allaah)]”!

This is one of the mistakes made by al-Shubli, who may be forgiven for it because of the sincerity of his faith and the strength of his emotions which overwhelmed him. Sometimes he would go crazy and would be taken to the asylum, and he would shave off his beard. There are other instances of this type in his case, which are not to be taken as examples, even if he may be excused or rewarded for them. If a person intends to say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah, and he dies before completing it, that will not harm him at all, because actions are judged by intentions, and what he intended to do is what will be written down for him.

Some of them go to extremes in this matter, and say that saying the name of Allaah is for the ‘elite’ whilst saying La ilaaha ill-Allaah is for the ‘masses.’ Some of them say that saying Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah is for the mu’mineen (believers), saying ‘Allaah’ is for the ‘aarifeen’ and saying ‘Huwa’ is for the muhaqqiqeen. One of them may restrict himself to saying, when alone or in a gathering, ‘Allaah, Allaah, Allaah’ or ‘Huwa’ or ‘Yaa Huwa’ or even ‘La Huwa illa Huwa (there is no He except He)’!

Some of those who have written about spiritual matters have expressed approval of this, quoting some known figures who, however, were in a state of overwhelming emotion at the time, or quoting opinions, or quoting false reports – for example some of them reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib to say ‘Allaah, Allaah, Allaah.’ The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said it three times, then he told ‘Ali to say it three times so he said it three times. This hadeeth is fabricated (mawdoo’), according to the consensus of the scholars of hadeeth.

It is narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught people various adhkaar to say, and the best of dhikr is Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah. This is what he urged his paternal uncle Abu Taalib to say when he was dying. He said, “O uncle, say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah and I will defend you thereby before Allaah.” And he said: “I know of a word which no one says when he is dying but his soul finds rest in it.” And he said, “Anyone whose last words are Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah will enter Paradise.” And he said, “Whoever dies knowing that there is no god except Allaah will enter Paradise.” And he said: “I have been commanded to fight people until they bear witness that there is no god except Allaah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah. If they do that, their blood and wealth will be safe from me, except for what is due from them [e.g., zakaah etc.], and their reckoning is with Allaah.” And there are many similar ahaadeeth.

(Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 10/556-558)

Whoever makes the Qur’aan and Sunnah his points of reference concerning his worship will not fail to distinguish right from wrong. We ask Allaah to bring us back to His religion in a gentle manner. And Allaah knows best.

Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
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Using the names of Allah as Dhikr counts as Bid’ah or counting on fingers or beats? & using the names of Allah as for the specific benefit counts as Bid’ah?

Praise be to Allaah.

With regard to the ruling on the masbahah (“prayer beads”), this had already been discussed in Question no. 3009.

With regard to remembering Allaah by saying a single name such as “Allaah” repeatedly, this is not narrated in sharee’ah, and there is no proof for that from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or from any of his companions. If it was something good they would have done it before us.

All goodness is in following those who came before us, and all evil is in the innovations of those who came later.

The Standing Committee was asked about someone who remembers Allaah by saying “Ya Lateef” repeatedly.

They replied:

That is not permissible because it was not narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Rather it was proven that he said: “Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours (i.e., Islam) that is not part of it, will have it rejected.” According to another version: “Whoever does any action that is not part of this matter of ours will have it rejected.”

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 2/379

With regard to the questioner saying that they say, “Hu, Hu, Hu” – those people are adding to their bid’ah because they are calling Allaah by a word by which He did not call Himself. “Hu” is not one of the names of Allaah.

See Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 2/185

And Allaah knows best.

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