Let's talk Egypt

[جوري]

I am very annoyed with Today's verdict.. very annoyed with the constant western presence. It is fixed so that we either have a substitution of faces but same regime like Yemen or so that NATO would enter pretty much like Libya and soon to be Syria.. They don't want to let go, it has got to be constant turmoil and absurd concocted factions or some form of fear mongering. Fixed pretty much so that shafeeq would take office and grant pardon to the cretin along with his money to live a life of luxury in exile to one of those other countries where he holds citizenship like England...
I am really sick of the state of affairs and the division in this ummah..

[Scimitar]

remember this?:



What happened? :(

[جوري]

didn't they villify abu ismael enough? and the brotherhood although in spite of over 80 years of oppression they were the only group meeting with Egyptian needs and in fact are the only ones in the country who are very well educated...
why would they want good for us? Nothing can stand in the way of their new world order..

[Scimitar]

They can plot/plan all they like. :) I am happier with Allah's plan. NWO can take a back seat when the revival begins. Ameen to that! The uprisings are already happening. It's spring time, "Arab Spring" time... the buds have not bloomed yet, so to spea. But come the summer, and after that, the autumn, they'll bloom... and when they do, the rest of the world, the kuffar world - that is, the antichrist world, will be left out in the cold.

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[Jedi_Mindset]

remember this?:



What happened? :(

He got disqualified from the egypt leader-run candidate list. Bad...i know.
Egypt must not stop until the whole regime of mubarak is vanished even if it must result in war. When that Shafeeq comes in power, then israel-egypt ties will remain. If not then israel-egypt war will emerge. I hope the egyptians wont seek alliance from NATO like the libyans did because that was a bad mistake and made no change at all.

The leader of NTC said that libya will be ruled by shariah law, didn't happen. The Benghazi bank is owned by rothchild.

But please Egypt open the rafah crossing Insha'Allah

The Syrian people shouldn't let themselves be armed by NATO either. They're inviting a great disaster, the massacre in houla was created by israel/the west to pave a way for invasion. Putin has its own agenda on syria, simply because the base in tartus is the only base in the area.

[جوري]

The speech shafeeq gave today made me want to take my highest heeled shoe and throw it at the screen.
I am still seething from it:


today in his speech called the Muslim brotherhood, backwards, idiots, medieval etc.

[Jedi_Mindset]

What a idiot, He is amongst the traitors. i've seen many liberal egyptian women speaking against the muslim brotherhood, because they fear they will be oppressed. do they want to let them ruled by this junk either? Stupid feminists...shows how low our state of ummah is.

[جوري]

why would they do that? Even the time when Islam was actually supreme in the land and Maimondes was expelled from Europe and lived in our midst as most parasites do writing all sorts of crap against us as they still do like the book where he mocked the sons of Ishmael meaning the Arabs, all the Muslim scholars did were rebutt with a book singing the praise with the sons of Ishmael. Why would we need to issue fatwas on an idiots head? That's not the way Islam works. He should be removed however through qanoon al3azl for the crimes he committed as a member and patriot of the old regime.

[Jedi_Mindset]

why would they do that? Even the time when Islam was actually supreme in the land and Maimondes was expelled from Europe and lived in our midst as most parasites do writing all sorts of crap against us as they still do like the book where he mocked the sons of Ishmael meaning the Arabs, all the Muslim scholars did were rebutt with a book singing the praise with the sons of Ishmael. Why would we need to issue fatwas on an idiots head? That's not the way Islam works. He should be removed however through qanoon al3azl for the crimes he committed as a member and patriot of the old regime.

He should be judged according to Shariah law when muslim brotherhood comes into power Insha'Allah
He is behind the killings of 800+ protestors along with the other puppets and servants of the Americans.
Subhan'Allah what a great turmoil we're gonna face soon, harj man, harj....israel-egypt war looming around the corner? I think so.

[جوري]

I think he should indeed be tried, he shouldn't have been enabled to run for presidency at all it is a farce.
Be that as it may (yes a war is looming) but we're not ready for that yet.
I read a funny caption the other day that says a country is rebuilding, visitors keep out.. Do you have any idea how many cretins are in Egypt now doing all sorts of carnage? It is unbelievable. Italian groups discovering oil west of Alexandria calling dibs, Belgian groups exploring the desert and finding old WWII planes. Dutch groups in charge of the gold mines and that's just what we know it is freaking unheard of.

[Jedi_Mindset]

Might have a chance that israel will take this role over soon, current egypt gov is too weak to counter israel. I am in no way supporting israelbut its their plan, for their false messiah to rule over greater israel according to torah and bible. But this will only happen when israel will feel threatened, be prepared that when MB comes to power that propaganda will emerge from israel, because ''terorrists'' are in sinai supplying Hamas in gaza, that Egypt is supporting Hamas fully. And that ''evil'' islamic law rules over Egypt. Dajjal propaganda... in their eyes we are gog and magog lol

[جوري]

It isn't a question of military preparedness.


[Pickthal 2:249] --------------- But those who knew that they would meet Allah exclaimed: How many a little company hath overcome a mighty host by Allah's leave! Allah is with the steadfast.

It is a question of spiritual and psychological preparedness.

and Allah swt knows best,

[alcurad]

Lamees, you're over reacting, Misr is fine.

Mursi just met with Abulfotouh & Sabbahi yesterday for a plan to counter Shafiq so it's not all bad news.

Now, Mursi had 30% and Abulfotouh and Sabbahi each had something over 20%, that's enough to win the next election and that's all there is to it.

[جوري]

Lamees, you're over reacting, Misr is fine.

Mursi just met with Abulfotouh & Sabbahi yesterday for a plan to counter Shafiq so it's not all bad news.

Now, Mursi had 30% and Abulfotouh and Sabbahi each had something over 20%, that's enough to win the next election and that's all there is to it.

I wish I shared your optimism.. I wish I shared the optimism of others I speak with including members of my own family. But I know how they plan and I know how things turn out.. I don't think we're the right people for the change.. We still have fear in our hearts and the devil has millenniums of experience & legions of followers...:(

[Cabdullahi]

I must say ive been really disappointed with some egyptians, i dont understand the hatred for the muslim brotherhood...most of these guys were suppressed for years...thrown into jail...they've been working at grass root levels and then i see men with beards and women with hijab saying they dont want the muslim brotherhood.

What do they want?

As much as i wanted it to be an islamic revolution it now seems some had other intentions

There is this fear of religion and politics being combined, and with majority of parliamentary seats being held by the muslims people fear that they'll not live a free life anymore.

[Jedi_Mindset]

I must say ive been really disappointed with some egyptians, i dont understand the hatred for the muslim brotherhood...most of these guys were suppressed for years...thrown into jail...they've been working at grass root levels and then i see men with beards and women with hijab saying they dont want the muslim brotherhood.

What do they want?

As much as i wanted it to be an islamic revolution it now seems some had other intentions

There is this fear of religion and politics being combined, and with majority of parliamentary seats being held by the muslims people fear that they'll not live a free life anymore.

Because many women have this feminist thoughts and muslims have adopted the idea of ''moderate islam''

[جوري]

actually it isn't what you think. They're just rigging the election either throw bribery in poor areas (these people have billions to squander), using dead soldiers names or coercing others. I have cousins in Air force who were basically told in so many words who they'd better vote for.

[Cabdullahi]

Egypt to me is divided, you have the socialists, secularists, islamists and then you have the copts

You have so called islamists voting for socialists and secularists, rejecting the islamic candidates, particularly the brotherhood becauthey feel the other candidates will provide stability.

I hope the man they call the spare tyre wins inshaAllah and that he governs egypt by implementing shariah even if they try to bully him into compromising certain aspect of his beliefs

[جوري]

May 27th, 2012 14:52
EGYPT: AHMED SHAFIK, THE CIA’S MAN FOR PRESIDENT!

By nikos_retsos

The Egyptians had a Arab Spring that turned into a Revolution! And they thought they won it! And they were ecstatic, and they celebrated! But suddenly the revolution vanished! And it looks
now that the Revolution was like a magician’s trick: “Now you see it; Now you don’t!” What happened? Well, the Revolution was hijacked, by the Egyptian Army, under a U.S. demand to
contain the damage to the U.S. interests in Middle East.
Former president Hosni Mubarak had pledged not to resign during the massive continuous protests, and the U.S. was fearful that there may be a military coup by lower officers, the so-called Naserites, as it happened in 1953 under Gamal Abdel Nasser. To prevent this, the U.S. ordered the Egyptian General to overthrow Mubarak. Mubarak was then shown on TV moody while he was escorted to a military helicopter under guard to be put under house arrest in his Sinai vacation home. Then his VP Omar Suleiman went on TV to tell Egyptians that Mubarak had resigned. He didn’t, but the military junta told Mubarak to keep quiet, or go to prison for life. Mubarak did, there was a short farcical trial, and Mubarak lives now untouched in splendor at his Sinai villa!
Why did the Egyptian Generals take orders from the U.S.? a) Without U.S. arms, supplies, funding and spare parts, the Egyptian army will be strip-naked! b) U.S. aid has helped the Egyptian Generals to control a vast array of industries that experts estimate as 20% of the Egyptian economy. That makes them as rich as the Saudi princess, courtesy of their relations and subservience to the U.S. Can they do without the U.S. arms and money? NO! They have little oil and natural gas. They are as dependent to the U.S. as the Afghan government of Hamid Karzai is, except they don’t have a Taliban insurgency to deal with!
When the U.S. ordered the Egyptian junta to overthrow Mubarak, the U.S. also initiated other plans “to stabilize Egypt,” a euphemism for subverting the revolution and maintaining the status quo. Immediately, the U.S. Congress appropriated plenty of $$$$ millions to fund NGO’s, like the International Republican Institute, NDI, Freedom House, and in synch with other European NGOs, they set the stage to corral the Egyptian Revolution. When some Egyptians started to wonder why no foreign NGOs came to promote democracy during Mubarak’s 30 years of despotic rule, and now they flooded Egypt, the Egyptian Generals arrested Sam LaHood, the son of the U.S. Transportation Secretary, in a smokescreen effort to show Egyptians that foreigners will not design Egypt’s future! But they will.
With plenty of U.S. money and NGOs, and with the full support of the Egyptian military junta, the former Mubarak prime minister Ahmed Shafik has risen to the top. The U.S. just flipped the Egyptian Revolution like a coin; the Mubarak side went down; the Shafik side came up. Bet won. The ultimate goal? Prevent Egypt from becoming an Islamic Republic like Iran!
The U.S. effort to hijack the Egyptian Revolution is the second, after a similar effort to hijack the Libyan Revolution by forcing the Transitional National Council to appoint two U.S. citizens and Libyan expatriates, Mahmud Jibril, as prime minister, and Khalifa Hiftar as Supreme Commander of the New Libyan Army. They were fired after I exposed them here in my December 11, 2011, blog here, and then the Radio 17 in Libya posted my blog on its website, on Facebook, and other Arab newspapers. Afterward, Libyan rebel commanders demanded their firing from the TNC, and Abdel Hakim Belhai, the Libyan rebel commander who took Tripoli from Gadhagi’s forces, and who claim to have been tortured by the CIA in Bangkok, Thailand, run a gun battle with Khalifa Hiftar when he tried to take control of Tripoli’s airport. Belhai demanded the dismissal of Hiftar, and the TNC obliged.
There are no rebel commanders in Egypt to save the revolution, as Egypt’s military commanders removed Mubarak and took control of it themselves! The Egyptians now fume against their junta, but the junta is crashing their skulls under the pretext of stability! General Hussein Tantawi is the new U.S. Augusto Pinochet in Cairo, and the U.S. choice for Egyptian president is Ahmed Shafik!
During the Serbia-Kosovo conflict, U.S. senator John McCain told reporters: “We (the U.S.) are a superpower; we cannot lose!,” on quote. The U.S. “cannot lose” in Egypt either! It has Egypt’s military in a chock-hold, and the Egyptian military has the Revolution in a chock-hold! Nikos Retsos, retired professor, USA

Tags: Egyptians protest military rule, How Egypt's Revolution was hijacked?, Now what for Egypt?, Presidential elections 2012 in Egypt
http://my.telegraph.co.uk/retsos_nik...for-president/

[Jedi_Mindset]

Sadly but true Subhan'Allah


But who is the best of planners? Allah subhana wa'a ta'ala

[جوري]

I thought that article was brilliantly written and very true. .. so few people speak the truth now a days.. indeed Allah swt is the best of planners.. Allah swt however doesn't change a people until they decide to change themselves.. The older generation are used to humiliation and obsequiousness.. they're not willing to die for this.. they're short sighted and out of breath.. they make me sick.. whenever I talk to any of my parent's friends I get really angry with their ideology...

[جوري]

hizb watan SOB pretending to be an 'Islamist'

[Cabdullahi]

Miskeen he even has the sujuud mark but he needs to work on his crying cus squinting your eyes and squealing is not crying

[جوري]

There was another one but it isn't on camera where a pretend 'Islamist' and I got to tell you the term is funny to be heard amongst Muslims nonetheless, he went to an all women salon and cursed and did his thing and when the women chased him out (God I love Egyptian women ;D) his beard fell off.. It is unbelievable walhi.. how these people live with themselves knowing they work for the devil for a few lousy pounds..

[جوري]

The Military council is dissolving the legitimacy of the of the Egyptian parliament i.e the brotherhood, they're writing the Constitution backed by the supreme court .. it is over for Egypt.. Israel and the U.S won!

[جوري]

Mursi should remove himself as a candidate, shafeeq is a criminal and the elections are already rigged. The parliament members should remain seated let them millitary council which should actually be tried for high treason remove them with their tanks if they can...
Sob7an Allah.. I can't believe the filthy vile game played here..

[جوري]

at least Egypt hates Obama the most... and boy am I glad of it.. although it doesn't explain the death of the revolution ..

[Jedi_Mindset]

Sis, Morsi shouldn't leave the elections. Allah is the best of planners, not the satanic cabals or governments. I really hope he will win Insha'Allah . Otherwise the egyptian people need to prepare themselves for more injustice.

[جوري]

Lol he can't win as the guy said yesterday if he gets Egypt and Sudan he's still a loser as the elections will be rigged .. Do you know who stands watch over these? Still don't know how dirty politics works I guess. If Mursi resigns at least it will cast doubt on the legitimacy of these so called elections then the cretins at the the top of that one eyed pyramid cant public leak to the media that he stood elections and came out the winner as the headlines are sure to read in a few days!

[جوري]

Sry for typos and syntax was writing from phone while waiting for fajr can't fix them 'cause it's so tiny and it's a hassle hopefully you got the gist!

[- Qatada -]

:salamext: The pace things are going, there is going to be a war between the practising Muslims ('islamists') vs the new tyrant government. Either that, or they are going to be chased, captured one by one and tortured like the days of the Pharoahs like Mubarak, and those before him... Be prepared for the bloody summer in Egypt, either through war or torture. I ask Allah to aid His believing slaves, ameen ya Rabb.

[جوري]

I fear you're right akhi .. Egypt will become Syria soon.. The people are familiar with the games played but you never see it in the media. My consolation و الحمد لله Is that they seem to know why this filthy game is played and would like the military council to be tried for high treason.

[MysticSoumeya]

:hmm:

Too sad for our Ummah.

[- Qatada -]

I fear you're right akhi .. Egypt will become Syria soon.. The people are familiar with the games played but you never see it in the media. My consolation و الحمد لله Is that they seem to know why this filthy game is played and would like the military council to be tried for high treason.

:salamext:

The difference is, this time the tyrant president will have 'legitimacy' in the worlds eyes for a long time because he was elected through so called democratic means.

All of the Muslim world is now on fire, and Allah azza wa jal is planning something huge through it...

[جوري]

which is precisely why Mursi should take himself out of the elections .. everyone knows that there are charges against shafeeq some 21 charges he's a criminal!

[White Rose]

I hate how the media covers the actual story and portray Muslims in the wrong light. Not only that, because of these liars, everyone jumps the bandwagon and agrees with sticking their nose in the Muslim countries. :mad: Very few people dare to question whats shown to them....

Just yesterday, right after the news about the protest in Egypt, there was news about women in Egypt being attacked by fellow Muslims. I am pretty sure it was their own agents creating chaos and blaming Muslims as usual. :raging:

I also notice how when Muslims attack, the word women and children is thrown around so casually but when their own people go on rampaging in schools in US, it is usually because they had mental problem or had some unsolved problems with the ones they shot. Doesn't matter if all the victims were women. :skeleton:

May Allah unite Muslims as soon as possible and help all of us see the reality.
Ameen

[جوري]

I hate how the media covers the actual story and portray Muslims in the wrong light. Not only that, because of these liars, everyone jumps the bandwagon and agrees with sticking their nose in the Muslim countries. :mad: Very few people dare to question whats shown to them....

Just yesterday, right after the news about the protest in Egypt, there was news about women in Egypt being attacked by fellow Muslims. I am pretty sure it was their own agents creating chaos and blaming Muslims as usual. :raging:

I also notice how when Muslims attack, the word women and children is thrown around so casually but when their own people go on rampaging in schools in US, it is usually because they had mental problem or had some unsolved problems with the ones they shot. Doesn't matter if all the victims were women. :skeleton:

May Allah unite Muslims as soon as possible and help all of us see the reality.
Ameen

Main stream media news has become obsolete. You should check out youtube vids as they happen and follow the blogs of the revolutionaries. Ma shaa Allah. I listened to an interview of two guys yesterday express their opinion on what went down and they're not going to be given a voice in either suaris backed media in Egypt nor Murdoch one in all the west.
U.S and Israel and their beloved despots are like Satan, they've perfected the game. but they don't know how to counter the caprice of youth, the young don't know enough to be prudent sit there and plan and perhaps that is the downfall but it is also what takes these cretins by surprise.
Of course they speak of women as if oppressed. They never actually go speak with the women because they'll counter that image they've so built in their own wh0res. They see no dignity in putting on clothes but all the dignity and liberation in taking it off so need I say more? They'd no right to take away the rights of women to supposedly give it to them now.
The brotherhood is the people, that is what the fellow said yesterday when the question of is it 'the fear of the Islamists that gave rise to this counter revolution' He said, the brotherhood has been in prison for eighty years, they're the people, how can we be afraid of ourselves? for all their faults, they were the ones always there trying, when the others knew nothing but bloodshed and corruption.

So Allah Akbar, Allah Akbar..

As-Saff (The Row) [61:8]

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Yureedoona liyutfioo noora Allahi biafwahihim waAllahu mutimmu noorihi walaw kariha alkafiroona

61:8 Their intention is to extinguish Allah's Light (by blowing) with their mouths: But Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).

time to fight every which way you can and if all you can is a word of truth then spread it. For this is an all out war and it is a war of words and ideology!

:w:

[White Rose]

Main stream media news has become obsolete. You should check out youtube vids as they happen and follow the blogs of the revolutionaries. Ma shaa Allah. I listened to an interview of two guys yesterday express their opinion on what went down and they're not going to be given a voice in either suaris backed media in Egypt nor Murdoch one in all the west.
U.S and Israel and their beloved despots are like Satan, they've perfected the game. but they don't know how to counter the caprice of youth, the young don't know enough to be prudent sit there and plan and perhaps that is the downfall but it is also what takes these cretins by surprise.

You are right sis. I follow the mainstream media to see what new methods they are using to fool the public ;D
It is through you and the others who post on this forum that I find new and reliable sources which keep us up to date and show us the actual reality.
By the way sis, do you have the link to that interview?
Jazak Allah

And Subhan Allah, eighty years? Wow, what else are they hiding!

[جوري]

It was on al jazeera yesterday he had two guests. I am on my phone now when I go home will search for it in shaa Allah

[جوري]

[Cabdullahi]

The real revolutionaries are the muslim brotherhood..

[جوري]

Yup.. pls make du3a for Egypt and Syria and Yemen and Libya and Tunisia and Palestine and Afghanistan and Chechnya and Bosnia and all the Muslims in the east and west who are suffering so...

[Banu_Hashim]

What does everyone make of the election result? Aparently the Muslim Brotherhood has taken 53% of the votes in presidential elections, but the Army has declared itself the supreme authority until a new constitution is written. I suspect the constitution will be written by the Army and like-minded people to somehow disqualify the Muslim Brotherhood candidate! The people have chosen and the armed forces are denying their choice! :hmm:

[Samiun]

:sl: man I'm so confused about the situation in Egypt. Who are the Muslim Brotherhood and can they be trusted? I even heard that the former Egypt president (not mubarak) is also running for presidency this year..

[Jedi_Mindset]

I've seen a report that israeli tanks are on the egyptian border now, but it still needs to be checked if its true, if so then they're preparing to invade sinai soon.

[جوري]

Sayd Qutb was from the brotherhood.. remember him? he was sentenced to death by Abdul Nassar along with many members of the brotherhood. They've been tortured and imprisoned for 80+ years.. so why can't they be trusted? They were the ones passing out bags of wheat and rice and meat to people when the elites were putting billions in swiss banks. I guess it is like the taliban type thing.. Israel and the west say how they're backwards, they're this they're that and everyone jumps on that bandwagon.
Well they're what the people want, they won by popular vote and the military council which should be tried for high treason dissolved the parliament anyway and spent billions of suaris money on smear campaigns. Should tell you how strong the grip of the west is even on the way the people should think. Nonetheless the brotherhood is from the people, the people who are educated doctors and engineers and teachers etc. and volunteered their time and wealth and money hence they're popular with the people because they're who the people are and who they know when the old regime was busy in sharm el sheikh.
Military council, media and judges union are old regime picked and instated so screw 'em in plain English and the Spawn they're working for. I don't think Egypt is in a position to fight Israel this very moment but it is the compass that most of the Arab world follows for leadership so it is a matter of time.
YES PALESTINE COURSES THROUGH OUR VEINS AND WE WON'T FORGET THEM. We're coming in shaa Allah....

:w:

[جوري]

Yeah Israel is on the borders, bombing themselves as usual to show that only military rule works for Egypt etc. etc. etc.

[Jedi_Mindset]

I Think its false alarm, they were on a spot where a shoot out was exchanged between mujahideen and israeli soldiers, one israeli got killed and 3 palestinians killed also. Its not the right ''justification'' for israel to invade yet.

[جوري]

I Think its false alarm, they were on a spot where a shoot out was exchanged between mujahideen and israeli soldiers, one israeli got killed and 3 palestinians killed also. Its not the right ''justification'' for israel to invade yet.

They never had justification to enter ANYWHERE.. They've already killed six Egyptians at the border and breached the so-called treaty .. those mujahadeen if that's in fact what they were are Palestinian not coming at them from Egypt. They just want to cut down the legs of something crippled because that's what they do best!
Libya gone to NATO, they've ruined the Tunisian revolt now they've to take permission to protest, they've also made sure that the former regime vice president took seat in Yemen, they went after Sudan until it split, and please have a look at Syria, you know that has to be providing high entertainment and now want Shafeeq same regime different face. Guaranteed the first thing to do is enter Egypt open their embassy again, and make sure the brotherhood is completely destroyed.

[جوري]

[Jedi_Mindset]

The current Us-backed government(Pro-mubarak/secular) wont go down with a fight. Its a big chance a civil war will loom for egypt and the muslim brotherhood will declare war on the traitors(Pro-americans) if the elections will become fraud insha'Allah

[جوري]

I am trying to find this debate that took place yesterday on Al Jazeera between Qandeel (who was beaten and stripped and left in the desert during the Mubarak regime) and HasabaAllah.. I don't think it is been made available for youtube yet as it only happened yesterday but it was brilliant.. positively laid it all out on the table.. salaries of the traitors, bought judges, intentions, what huge role Israel and the U.S play in the current trends.. Which countries which are occupied militarily and others politically & how..
Is it any wonder they tried to bomb Al-Jazeera Arabic several times and succeeding in some instances, killing reporters in the process plus coercing the Qatari sheikh to shut it down..
No thanks to his funding he simply happened upon some amazing journalists (the Arabic version) I never watch the English crap as it is made to echo western style news. I need to find that debate again as it was a priceless nugget..

[Jedi_Mindset]

Not everything from al-jazeera is truth either, it was set up with the help of washington and KSA.
But yes you can pick some out of every media outlet, which contain some truth in it.

[جوري]

it wasn't set up by either .. in fact the U.S was so pissed off after multiple attempts of trying to shut it down or bomb its headquarters and it times even hack it decided to set up their own station called Al hurra trying to snatch that Muslim audience and KSA also tried to rival it I believe with the station called Al Arbiaya neither was successful. Except they proclaim that al Hurra is the number one station watched by Iraqis.
Either case the English version is probably catered to them but the Arabic version is brilliant in all the ways that I have seen.
You've to follow it, you can't just guess of it with preconceived prejudices!

[Jedi_Mindset]

Well it is owned and approved by the Emir of qatar, so thats why i've such seriously doubts. It is zionists- controlled, but doesnt spread every lie around, the zionists are smart by convincing the arabs that al-jazeera is trusted. You can get some truth out of it, but for me- nada nope, no media networks anymore. Talking with locals helps alot more, if you want to know something in a foreign country. Books, analysts.

Anyway lets go ontopic now, dont want to ramble about media outlets here. lol

[جوري]

Well it is owned and approved by the Emir of qatar, so thats why i've such seriously doubts. It is zionists- controlled, but doesnt spread every lie around, the zionists are smart by convincing the arabs that al-jazeera is trusted. You can get some truth out of it, but for me- nada nope, no media networks anymore. Talking with locals helps alot more, if you want to know something in a foreign country. Books, analysts.

Anyway lets go ontopic now, dont want to ramble about media outlets here. lol

actually they don't and the Emir wanted to sell it, it is probably the best thing that came out of his kingdom:

Israel

On 13 March 2008, Israel imposed sanctions on Al Jazeera, accusing it of slanted coverage favoring Hamas. Deputy Foreign Minister Majalli Wahabi said that Israel would deny entry visas to Al Jazeera employees, and that Israeli officials would not be available for interviews with the network. According to Wahabi, "We have seen that Al Jazeera has become a part of Hamas... taking sides and cooperating with people who are enemies of the State of Israel. The moment a station like Al Jazeera gives unreliable reports, represents only one side, and doesn't present the positions of the other side, why should we cooperate"? Wahabi said that the Israeli Foreign Ministry would send letters of complaint to the government of Qatar and Al Jazeera.^[72]
In February 2009, Israel again imposed sanctions on Al Jazeera after Qatar closed the Israeli trade office in Doha in protest to the Gaza War. Initially, Israel contemplated declaring Al Jazeera a hostile entity and shutting down its Israel offices, but after a legal review, the Israeli government decided instead to impose limited measures to restrict Al Jazeera's activities in the country. All Al Jazeera employees would not have their visas renewed, and the Israeli government would issue no new visas. Al Jazeera staff would also not be allowed to attend government briefings and reduced access to government and military offices or interview Knesset members. The station would only be allowed access to three official spokespersons: The Prime Minister's Office, the Foreign Ministry, and the IDF Spokesperson's Unit.^[73]
In August 2011, Samer Allawi, Al Jazeera's Afghanistan bureau chief, was arrested by Israeli authorities on charges of being a member of Hamas. Walied Al-Omary, Al Jazeera's bureau chief in Israel and the Palestinian territories, said the military court accused Allawi of making contact with members of Hamas's armed wing.^[74] A co-leader of The Committee to Protect Journalists said "Israel must clarify why it continues to hold Samer Allawi."<sup>[75][76]

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Iraq

During the Iraq war, Al Jazeera faced reporting and movement restrictions, as did other news-gathering organizations. In addition, one of its reporters, Tayseer Allouni, was expelled from the country, while another one, Diyar Al-Omari, was stripped of his journalistic permits by the US. Reacting to this, Al Jazeera announced on 2 April 2003, that it would "temporarily freeze all coverage" of Iraq in protest of what Al Jazeera described as unreasonable interference from Iraqi officials.^[121] During 2004, Al Jazeera broadcast several video tapes of various victims of kidnappings in Iraq, which had been sent to the network. The videos had been filmed by the kidnappers holding the hostages. The hostages were shown, often blindfolded, pleading for their release. They often appeared to be forced to read out prepared statements of their kidnappers. Al Jazeera has assisted authorities from the home countries of the victims in an attempt to secure the release of kidnapping victims.^{[citation needed]} This included broadcasting pleas from family members and government officials. Contrary to some allegations, including the oft-reported comments of Donald Rumsfeld on 4 June 2005, Al Jazeera has never shown beheadings. (Beheadings have appeared on numerous non-Al Jazeera websites and have sometimes been misattributed to Al Jazeera.)^[107]
On 7 August 2004, the Iraqi Allawi government shut down the Iraq office of Al Jazeera, claiming that it was responsible for presenting a negative image of Iraq, and charging the network with fueling anti-Coalition hostilities. Al Jazeera spokesman Jihad Ballout said: "It's regrettable and we believe it's not justifiable. This latest decision runs contrary to all the promises made by Iraqi authorities concerning freedom of expression and freedom of the press,"^[122] and Al Jazeera vowed to continue its reporting from inside Iraq.^[123] News photographs showed United States and Iraqi military personnel working together to close the office. Initially closed by a one-month ban, the shutdown was extended indefinitely in September 2004, and the offices were sealed,^[124] drawing condemnation from international journalists.<sup>[125]

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In presenting "The opinion and the other opinion" to which the Arabic script in the network's logo refers, it did not take long for Al Jazeera to shock local viewers by presenting the Israeli speaking Hebrew on Arab TV for the first time. Lively and far-ranging talk shows, particularly a popular, confrontational one called The Opposite Direction, were a constant source of controversy regarding issues of morality and religion. This prompted a torrent of criticism from the conservative voices among the region's press. It also led to official complaints and censures from neighboring governments. Some jammed Al Jazeera's terrestrial broadcast or booted its correspondents. In 1999, the Algerian government reportedly cut power to several major cities to censor one broadcast. There were also commercial repercussions; Saudi Arabia reportedly pressured advertisers to avoid the channel, to great effect. Al Jazeera was also becoming a favorite sounding board for militant groups such as Hamas and Chechen separatists.
Al Jazeera was the only international news network to have correspondents in Iraq during the Operation Desert Fox bombing campaign in 1998. In a precursor of a pattern to follow, its exclusive video clips were highly prized by Western media.

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United States

Since 9/11 U.S. officials have claimed an anti-American bias to Al Jazeera's news coverage.^[81][135] The station first gained widespread attention in the West following the September 11, 2001 attacks, when it broadcast videos in which Osama bin Laden and Sulaiman Abu Ghaith defended and justified the attacks. This led to significant controversy and accusations by the United States government that Al Jazeera was engaging in propaganda on behalf of terrorists. Al Jazeera countered that it was merely making information available without comment, and several western television channels later followed suit in broadcasting portions of the tapes. At an 3 October 2001 press conference, Colin Powell tried to persuade the emir of Qatar to shut down Al Jazeera.^{[136][137][138]}
On 13 November 2001, during the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, a U.S. missile strike destroyed Al Jazeera's office in Kabul. There were no casualties.^[79] On 12 October 2008, Al Jazeera broadcast interviews with people attending a Sarah Palin 2008 United States presidential election rally in St. Clairsville, Ohio, with interviewees making comments about Barack Obama such as "he regards white people as trash" and "I'm afraid if he wins, the blacks will take over". The report received over 2 million views on YouTube^[139] and elicited comment by Colin Powell: "Those kind of images going out on Al Jazeera are killing us."^[140] Following this the Washington Post ran an op-ed,^[141] claiming the news channel was deliberately encouraging "anti-American sentiment overseas",^[141] which was criticized by Al Jazeera as "a gratuitous and uninformed shot at Al Jazeera's motives", as the report was just one of "hundreds of hours of diverse coverage".<sup>[140

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Al Jazeera bombing memo

Main article: Al Jazeera bombing memo
Also see O'Connor - Keogh official secrets trial. On 22 November 2005, the UK tabloid The Daily Mirror published a story claiming that it had obtained a leaked memo from 10 Downing Street saying that former U.S. President George W. Bush had considered bombing Al Jazeera's Doha headquarters in April 2004, when United States Marines were conducting a contentious assault on Fallujah.^[93]
In light of this allegation, Al Jazeera has questioned whether it has been targeted deliberately in the past – Al Jazeera's Kabul office was bombed in 2001 and another missile hit its office in Baghdad during the invasion of Iraq, killing correspondent Tareq Ayyoub. Both of these attacks occurred subsequent to Al Jazeera's disclosure of the locations of their offices to the United States.<sup>[94]

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just to showcase a few events to how much the west and Israel wishes this portal would simply go away</sup>


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera





so you're welcome to show me in which Al Jazeera Arabic is speaking for the U.S or Israel.
It is one of the very few media outlets short of a few independent sources that show it like it is, live unadulterated.. furthermore, they have many programs on sharia with prominent speakers.

[Jedi_Mindset]

hmm thats interesting, but i doubt it, they've always done this: creating opposition, it might be true but these are times we living appearance is other than reaility. Especially with the things happening in the middle east.

Does al-jazeera also reports truth from afghanistan? like that US troops getting killed on daily basis? while the west doesnt report that?

Just like russia shows ''opposition'' towards US, but in meanwhile they train together to ''counter-terrorism''. <--- this example might not be relevant to this but appearance is different then reality.

I'll just try to refrain from media sources, just like things happening in syria i've talked with locals.

[جوري]

you're welcome to your doubts however you need to level those doubts with actual evidence to the contrary if we are to dispense with facts not emotion and not opinion. You've not been able to offer either so on what basis am I to accept your doubts? Simply because an unrelated matter from an unrelated news outlet has proven contrary to the values of free independent reporting? I've asked you repeatedly to showcase their shady reporting with something that counteracts it and you've not been able to do so.
How do you create or foster your knowledge of world affairs? Isn't it by reading multiple sources and comparing? You yourself aren't in any of the places you care to defend so on what authority do you speak? المؤمن فطن he or she doesn't go through life on bombast and emotion without facts it then becomes an empty passion.

:w:

[Jedi_Mindset]

the point is that al-jazeera is broadcasted for free or with cable here in the west, if it was really a good news source it would've been removed from every television. Just like they silence the ones who speak out truth.

If they would've get rid of al-jazeera they would've done it a long time ago. Al-jazeera is just like other media outlet zionist controlled and remember when al-jazeera blamed 9/11 caused by ''bin laden''?

''

Al-Jazeera the propaganda Channel for the Zionist 'War on terror'

Al-Jazeera is a Zionist tool that promotes the Jewish 'War on Terror' and perpetuates the myth of Al-Qaeda across the Arab World. Most if not all amateurish audio and video tapes were faked by Al-Jazeera and/or its Zionist sister Intel center. Al-Jazeera also Promotes the 'Al-Qaeda did 9/11' scum. I personally sent copies of '911 Eyewitness' for their consideration, twice, the latter was by 'recorded delivery'. Never got a reply and to my knowledge Al-Jazeera never aired '911 Eyewitness'

Al Jazeera's motto is: ‘‘We get both sides of the story.'' BS!''


''Post-9/11

Al Jazeera came to the attention of many in the West during the hunt for Osama bin Laden after the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States. The station aired videos it received from Osama bin Laden and the Taliban, deeming new footage of the world's most wanted fugitives to be newsworthy. Some criticized the network, however, for giving a voice to terrorists. Al Jazeera's Washington, D.C. bureau chief compared the situation to that of the Unabomber's messages in The New York Times. The network said it had been given the tapes merely because it had a large Arab audience.
The rest of the world's television networks were eager to acquire the same footage. CNN International had exclusive rights for six hours before other networks could broadcast it (a provision that was broken by the others on at least one controversial occasion). Prime Minister Tony Blair soon appeared on an Al Jazeera talk show to state Britain's case for pursuing the Taliban into Afghanistan.
Al Jazeera's prominence was heightened during the war in Afghanistan since it had opened a bureau in Kabul before 9/11. This gave it better video than the others scrambling to cover the invasion, clips that sold for as much as $250,000. The Kabul office was destroyed, however, by United States bombs in 2001. Looking to stay ahead of the future conflicts Al Jazeera then opened bureaus in other trouble spots.
The network remained dependent on government support in 2002, having a budget of $40 million and ad revenues of about $8 million. It also took in fees for sharing its news feed with other networks. It was estimated to have up to roughly 45 million viewers around the world. Al Jazeera soon had to contend with a new rival, Al Arabiya, an offshoot of the Middle East Broadcasting Center, set up in nearby Dubai with generous Saudi backing.
http://factsnotfairies.blogspot.nl/2011/03/al-jazeera-propaganda-channel-for_21.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera

[Jedi_Mindset]

Anyways, using presstv owned by reuters as a source now but this wont suprise you:

''Egypt rulling junta threatens to crack down on protests''

Egypt ruling military council has warned of using force against protesters who have gathered in Cairo’s Liberation Square to protest the army’s grip on power.


The Supreme Council of Armed Forces (SCAF) warned on Friday that the army will "deal firmly" with what it called attempts to harm public interests.

The junta also criticized the Muslim Brotherhood for giving election result early, claiming that releasing unofficial poll results has caused divisions among the nation.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06...down-protests/

[Signor]

^^this is true,my sources confirms that report

[جوري]

There are no outlets for al jazeera least of which the Arabic one we've to get it through a special cable. I have stated that I don't watch al jazeera English obviously it caters to a western audience. We keep going around in circles. You've neither proven your point nor conceded to the obvious .. Do you watch al jazeera Arabic? If so which content did you find incorrect and objectionable?

[Jedi_Mindset]

i havent watched the arabic one since i cant understand arabic at all, but i've watched the english one and its biased to the point. how could it be different from each other while it comes from the same media station? (huh lol??)

[جوري]

Guess you'll have to watch and compare then no? It isn't the same meal nor cooked by the same chefs. They're simply paid through the same source who was looking to sell it under duress when the west didn't like its content so again under what factual authority do you speak? You've not watched nor compared it how can I help your preconceived prejudices?

[Jedi_Mindset]

these aren't prejudices, i find it odd that news suddenly is changed and not deceptive anymore when its told in arabic. But when in english its suddenly deceptive, when they report the same things and same situations. How can a station bring out deceptive and good news at the same time? Thats a weak argument you have there sis Bluebell.

Al-jazeera has supported the war on islam since 9/11 and also blamed bin laden for those attacks.Its not really independend when its broadcasted for free here in the western world.

Atleast tell the women on al-jazeera to wear modest clothes, not dress like men and at the same time to wear hijab.

[جوري]

I don't feel like arguing this anymore. As stated you're welcome to watch it and bring me the programs in question.
Their job isn't to blame or point the fingers but to transmit to you the news as it happens.. I find it ironic that it is exactly what the Zionists and westerners proclaim of this station that it is biased and prejudiced against them.
Anyhow as per title this is about Egypt not al-Jazeera.

:w:

[Jedi_Mindset]

Ok then we will stop arguing about it. Just wanted you to see that not everything does look like what it is.

Looks like a civil war is looming for egypt soon and i salute the egyptian people for their jihad against the government and army. May Allah(SWT) give them victory. Ameen

[جوري]

Mursi is making concessions because they're turning this otherwise into a religious vs. civil state.. which in fact it is between a military vs. civil state..
It is a long way yet before Egypt adheres to its true identity, as a small chunk want it to cower behind their personal identity crisis..

[White Rose]

I haven't had the time to keep up with news recently so sorry for sounding ignorant.
What is going on with Russia? Are they actually allies or what? A week ago, there was some news about a missile test that Russia launched and it was seen by Saudi Arabia.
What could Russia be up to?

[جوري]

Russia, China and Iran are all playing a dirty game.. I can see Armageddon and have a pretty good clue as to the allies and parties involved ..



Russia is supplying air force weaponry which is actually what he's using to raid his citizens. His Air force are composed of entirely Alawites (his father's doing) who like Bashar before him exterminated some 20,000 people.
One pilot however took to Jordan yesterday so he's a defector which gives hope that maybe more will follow his lead but I am not sure.
God how I wish we'd get rid of all those people inside and outside and live free prosperous and happy..
look at Syria

the soul can't take much more of these images.. and the soul is learning of the depth of cruelty of humans who shouldn't be classified as such..

:w:

[White Rose]

Ah I see what is going on. Jazak Allah sis for keeping us up to date.

God how I wish we'd get rid of all those people inside and outside and live free prosperous and happy..

I know sis, I know. At times I feel useless for not being able to do anything by myself. Atleast the thought that Allah is with them and will help them makes me feel a bit better.
And yes, now I realize humans are actually worse than animals... When early in my childhood, some of my family members used tell me that humans are the most dangerous animals, I used to think not much of it. Oh how wrong I was.

[جوري]

mursi wonnnnnnn
allah akbar allah akbar..

[Jedi_Mindset]

ALLAHU AKBAR!!!

Thats great news :) Hope we will see change in Egypt soon Insha'Allah

The muslim brotherhood, needs to expel the rothchild banks, masonic orders, zionist influence, every european diplomat or outsider who works with kufar. hope we will see that coming soon, its gonna be a huge task and may cause a invasion from the west and israel but when you choose to estabilish shariah, clean shariah, Allah is by your side.

[Banu_Hashim]

Morsi is president!! Who else watched the announcement live?

I thought the head of the election committee would never finish!!

[جوري]

al7mdullilah may Allah swt grant us ummatan muslimatan lah.
I watched it live I thought it would be at 3 pm which it is but obviously not my time.. I am glad I was spared the stress of people camping out all night...

[Cabdullahi]

You will see a clash between the muslim brotherhood and the scaf, it will happen soon.

[MustafaMc]

mursi wonnnnnnn
allah akbar allah akbar..

"The Muslim Brotherhood declares its candidate, Mohamed Morsi, has won Egypt’s presidential run-off. The victory over Mubarak’s former prime minister, Ahmed Shafiq, is claimed ahead of the official announcement of the ballot results on Thursday." http://www.rt.com/news/muslim-brothe...ory-egypt-052/

There is so much unrest in the Middle East (currently Syria) right now and it seems we are heading toward WWIII. The massive investment the USA has made into its military indicates that it will be used extensively, presumably against those who oppose NWO domination, and that an incredible amount of bloodshed is just around the corner. It is so hard to really know what is really going on these days.

[جوري]

YUP..Israel is already doing its thing so it can concot another 'terrorist attack' and start a war.. but you know all the other neighboring nations including Yemen which was royally screwed has their morale boosted now.. Surely you're familiar with suret al-baqra:

فَلَمَّا فَصَلَ طَالُوتُ بِالْجُنُودِ قَالَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ مُبْتَلِيكُمْ بِنَهَرٍ فَمَنْ شَرِبَ مِنْهُ فَلَيْسَ مِنِّي وَمَنْ لَمْ يَطْعَمْهُ فَإِنَّهُ مِنِّي إِلَّا مَنِ اغْتَرَفَ غُرْفَةً بِيَدِهِ ۚ فَشَرِبُوا مِنْهُ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا مِنْهُمْ ۚ فَلَمَّا جَاوَزَهُ هُوَ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مَعَهُ قَالُوا لَا طَاقَةَ لَنَا الْيَوْمَ بِجَالُوتَ وَجُنُودِهِ ۚ قَالَ الَّذِينَ يَظُنُّونَ أَنَّهُمْ مُلَاقُو اللَّهِ كَمْ مِنْ فِئَةٍ قَلِيلَةٍ غَلَبَتْ فِئَةً كَثِيرَةً بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ مَعَ الصَّابِرِينَ {249}
[Pickthal 2:249] And when Saul set out with the army, he said: Lo! Allah will try you by (the ordeal of) a river. Whosoever therefore drinketh thereof he is not of me, and whosoever tasteth it not he is of me, save him who taketh (thereof) in the hollow of his hand. But they drank thereof, all save a few of them. And after he had crossed (the river), he and those who believed with him, they said: We have no power this day against Goliath and his hosts. But those who knew that they would meet Allah exclaimed: How many a little company hath overcome a mighty host by Allah's leave! Allah is with the steadfast.

[MustafaMc]

How many a little company hath overcome a mighty host by Allah's leave! Allah is with the steadfast.

I love the story and am reminded of how the Muslims were victorious at Badr. The important thing is to purify our hearts and to hope and strive for one of the 2 best things.

[جوري]

Indeed .. Numbers mean nothing and Muslims also learned of that the hard way youm hunain..
Ameen to your du3a

[MustafaMc]

A couple of questions to ponder in this day of uncertainty, "Did those who died while fighting against Ali ibn Abu Talib or those who died while fighting against Muawiyah ibn Abu Sufyan at the Battle of Siffin die as shaheed?" and "Did the victors gain merit and expect to be rewarded due to their victory over the other?"

[جوري]

A couple of questions to ponder in this day of uncertainty, "Did those who died while fighting against Ali ibn Abu Talib or those who died while fighting against Muawiyah ibn Abu Sufyan at the Battle of Siffin die as shaheed?" and "Did the victors gain merit and expect to be rewarded due to their victory over the other?"

strangely enough a similar question arose today in my house as a reflection of today's events but, I felt it should be nullified right away for even if mawuaya was many a cunning things, he still governed by Allah swt's laws he didn't bring kaffir laws into a Islamic state... I believe everyone will be raised based on intent..
and Allah swt knows best,
:w:

[Al-Mufarridun]

:sl:

A point of reflection;

Not that long ago,
Morsi was in Prison and Mubarak was the president,
Mubarak is now in Prison and Morsi is the President!

وَتِلْكَ الْأَيَّامُ نُدَاوِلُهَا بَيْنَ النَّاسِ وَلِيَعْلَمَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَيَتَّخِذَ مِنكُمْ شُهَدَاءَ ۗ وَاللَّهُ لَا يُحِبُّ الظَّالِمِينَ
Al-Imran v. 140

May Allah swt guide and assist him. Ameen

[Jedi_Mindset]

Is this serious?

Muslim Brotherhood: Israel-Egypt peace treaty will stand

By Jennifer Lipman, June 25, 2012

Mohammed Morsi

Quote:
The newly-elected Egyptian president has vowed to maintain the peace treaty with Israel signed more than 30 years ago.

Supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood were celebrating this weekend after the Islamist party's candidate, Mohammed Morsi, was declared the victor in the runoff election.

The once-banned party has said that it would protect the treaty but also suggested that it would call for modifications to it.

President Mohammed Morsi said he would "preserve international accords and obligations" after the result was announced.

Israeli officials offered cautious congratulations to the new president. "Israel appreciates the democratic process in Egypt and respects its outcome", said a spokesman.

"Israel expects to continue co-operation with the Egyptian government on the basis of the peace agreement between the two countries," said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. "It is of interest to the two peoples and contributes to regional stability."

The peace treaty was signed in 1979 and its existence is considered a cornerstone of Israel's security policy.

Britain's Foreign Secretary, William Hague, said he wished Mr Morsi success, but called for the new government "to stand for national unity and reconciliation, to build bridges across Egyptian society and to uphold human rights, including the rights of women and religious minorities, and the rule of law".

In Gaza, which is bordered by Egypt, the Brotherhood's success was also a cause for celebration, although reports said one person was killed by celebratory gunfire.

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh called the election result "a victory for all Arabs and Muslims".

"This is God's promise to his believers," he said.
http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news...aty-will-stand

[جوري]

The newly-elected Egyptian president has vowed to maintain the peace treaty with Israel signed more than 30 years ago.

The peace treaty has conditions, Israel has already breached its contents in the cross border attack of 2011 where it killed five Egyptian soldiers. No newly elected leader is going to declare war the minute he goes into office least of which when his country is torn and divided and in an economic meltdown.
Stop knocking everything down- I haven't seen your efforts helping Muslims out beyond conspiracy theories and knocking down revolutions and making Assad into a saint while the brotherhood into satanists.
Please pray do tell how do you think? what's your war strategy beyond what you post here as facts?
Already Egypt has cut the gas supply to Israel several times the one one the colonial settler state has been getting for free for the past three years while Egyptians shell out fifty pounds a barrel. Change can't happen over night and wars need some thoughts.. War isn't about wielding a sword and yelling out Allah Akbar.
No one helps anyone that way. Merely look at the war of 56 and that of 73 to have an understanding of what it means to be unprepared.

[Jedi_Mindset]

The peace treaty has conditions, Israel has already breached its contents in the cross border attack of 2011 where it killed five Egyptian soldiers. No newly elected leader is going to declare war the minute he goes into office least of which when his country is torn and divided and in an economic meltdown.
Stop knocking everything down- I haven't seen your efforts helping Muslims out beyond conspiracy theories and knocking down revolutions and making Assad into a saint while the brotherhood into satanists.
Please pray do tell how do you think? what's your war strategy beyond what you post here as facts?
Already Egypt has cut the gas supply to Israel several times the one one the colonial settler state has been getting for free for the past three years while Egyptians shell out fifty pounds a barrel. Change can't happen over night and wars need some thoughts.. War isn't about wielding a sword and yelling out Allah Akbar.
No one helps anyone that way. Merely look at the war of 56 and that of 73 to have an understanding of what it means to be unprepared.

Assumptions&suspicions are Haram in islam, i suggest u need to ask for repentance because of slandering and being suspicious. Guessing someones intentions are haram, because only the person himself knows whats in his heart. Its only you who supports the arming of syrian rebels by the evil zionists. Which btw they also admitted. There isnt one side and supporting one other. There is a chessboard game going on in the middle east, which may end up in a bloody war. The greatest fitnah of these times is the fitnah of dajjal, in case you should stop watching al-jazeera or any media station.

Incase what i've said about Assad many times: His regime has communist roots and arabic nationalism, also secularism is a factor of the assad regime. His father commited a bloodshed which killed around 20,000 people. This was supported by the US. Also syria participated in operation desert shield to protect the american oil.

Are you happy btw bluebell that UK is ramping up its war rethoric on syria? That we may find a invasion soon? because you sincerly behave that when they invade, that a good government will replace Assad? Never, they're just gonna replace it with another secular regime.

Its not a coincidence that the west supports this arab spring. Even israel wants to see assad being toppled, the great war criminal president peres has admitted it.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCont...-will-win.aspx

[MohamedMaghrebi]

i think its a good thing to give the brotherhood the chance , but i think also there speech is too ''religious'' .

[جوري]

Assumptions&suspicions are Haram in islam, i suggest u need to ask for repentance because of slandering and being suspicious. Guessing someones intentions are haram, because only the person himself knows whats in his heart. Its only you who supports the arming of syrian rebels by the evil zionists. Which btw they also admitted. There isnt one side and supporting one other. There is a chessboard game going on in the middle east, which may end up in a bloody war. The greatest fitnah of these times is the fitnah of dajjal, in case you should stop watching al-jazeera or any media station.

Incase what i've said about Assad many times: His regime has communist roots and arabic nationalism, also secularism is a factor of the assad regime. His father commited a bloodshed which killed around 20,000 people. This was supported by the US. Also syria participated in operation desert shield to protect the american oil.

Are you happy btw bluebell that UK is ramping up its war rethoric on syria? That we may find a invasion soon? because you sincerly behave that when they invade, that a good government will replace Assad? Never, they're just gonna replace it with another secular regime.

Its not a coincidence that the west supports this arab spring. Even israel wants to see assad being toppled, the great war criminal president peres has admitted it.

I am nt guessing your intentions, I am commenting on what yu write. You always have a chance to defend your position. Furthermore, you speak of avoiding suspicions & in the same breath proclaim to know who is arming the rebels? are you for real? And more bewildering still is that you seem against a war yet again, speak of how the brotherhood is going to keep the peace agreement.. is that not asking for war?
why don't you spend some time defining your principals- you won't then end up a target of your posts being taken apart piece by piece to become so emotional about.

i think its a good thing to give the brotherhood the chance , but i think also there speech is too ''religious'' .

So what if his speech is too religious? This is the Egyptian identity.. do they have to politically water that down?
They have to learn to deal with us on our terms not the other way around.. & :welcome: aboard btw

:w:

[MohamedMaghrebi]

They have to learn to deal with us on our terms not the other way around.. & aboard btw

thank you , but when you are doing politics , you are not just dealing with muslims , i dont have any thing against their religious speech but im afraid that it's not going to be easy if they use the same speech with western

[جوري]

The Egyptian elections: Victory for Mohammed Morsi

Shaikh (Dr) Haitham Al-Haddad

Jun 24|00:00
Last Updated on Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:10

The victory for Mohammed Mursi of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt's presidential election is a milestone in the history of modern Arab countries. After having been imprisoned by the ex-president Husni Mubarak, one of the most corrupt dictators of the Middle East, he will now replace him as the president. This is not a victory for the Brotherhood or even political Islam, but a victory of truth over falsehood and a manifestation of the real colour of Muslims, whether they are educated, lay people, men, women, young or old.

The victory for Mohammed Mursi of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt's presidential election is a milestone in the history of modern Arab countries. After having been imprisoned by the ex-president Husni Mubarak, one of the most corrupt dictators of the Middle East, he will now replace him as the president. This is not a victory for the Brotherhood or even political Islam, but a victory of truth over falsehood and a manifestation of the real colour of Muslims, whether they are educated, lay people, men, women, young or old. Allah says,

“He sends down water (rain) from the sky, and the valleys flow according to their measure, but the flood bears away the foam that mounts up to the surface, and (also) from that (ore) which they heat in the fire in order to make ornaments or utensils, rises a foam like unto it, thus does Allah (by parables) show forth truth and falsehood. Then, as for the foam it passes away as scum upon the banks, while that which is for the good of mankind remains in the earth. Thus Allah sets forth parables.”[1]

Beyond the many reservations we have of democracy, we always believed that had Muslims been given a genuine choice to choose between Islam and complete secularism, they would chose Islam. This has been manifested in countries where Muslims were subjected to staunch efforts to hijack their Islamic identity. Accordingly, I believe that the imperial powers will always be the first to oppose any actual democratic process in the Muslim world as they know that the result will be favourable to Islam and Muslims.

The first thing we should do is thank Allah for His blessings that He has bestowed upon us after the long wait for political change across the Arab world. The new leadership should, even more than before, refer to the Prophet’s (peace be upon him) methodology of establishing the first Islamic state. The manifesto of the Prophet was very simple; "O people, exchange greetings of peace; feed people, strengthen the ties of kinship, and be in prayer when others are asleep, you will enter paradise in peace."[2] Similarly, the manifesto of the Prophet Abraham in establishing his first Islamic state, the most significant state in history - the Islamic state of Makkah, was reflected in his supplication (the first mentioned in the Qur’an):

“And [mention] when Abraham said, "My Lord, make this a secure city and provide its people with fruits - whoever of them believes in Allah and the Last Day." [Allah] said: "And whoever disbelieves - I will grant him enjoyment for a little; then I will force him to the punishment of the Fire, and wretched is the destination."[3]

While peace is at the top of the list of priorities, food and basic economic needs are the next priority. However, the main goal of the Islamic state is to facilitate entry into paradise in peace. The new Egyptian authorities should realize that they face a very challenging situation whereby many will work to cause failure which will then be attributed to the Muslims of Egypt. They must work hard in all spheres.

We also advise all Muslims in Egypt to cooperate with the new leadership, irrespective of their differences with them, in order not to destroy the initial success of attaining leadership. Allah says in the Quran,

“And cooperate in righteousness and piety, but do not cooperate in sin and aggression. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.”[4]

Everyone should realize that a successful Egyptian model means success for all Muslims around the world. It will open the doors to real change in all Arab and Muslim countries. We also appeal to Muslims outside of Egypt to support their brothers in Egypt in this regards. There are many ways to support them which cannot be covered in this short article.

We advise the new Egyptian government to start a new page in Egypt’s history and to avoid any act of revenge against parties or individuals, including those who used to persecute them. Their model should be our Prophet (peace be upon him); he pardoned all the people of Quraish when assuming overarching leadership.

The new Egyptian government should not repeat the momentous mistakes of the Sudanese leadership (who were also part of the Brotherhood). The Sudanese government over-compromised in regards to Islamic laws out of fear of external powers and anti-Islamic groups within Sudan. We have seen what they achieved after all of their compromise; they neither pleased their Lord nor the powers. Instead they lost almost one third of Sudan as well as destroying the economy. They forgot the fundamental divine law:

“Whoever has the Hereafter as his main concern, Allah will fill his heart with a feeling of richness and independence; he will be focused and feel content, and this world will come to him in spite of it. Whoever has this world as his main concern, Allah will cause him to feel constant fear of poverty; he will be distracted and unfocused, and he will have nothing of this world except what was already predestined for him.”[5]

We should all remember the main divine code regarding establishing Islam on earth:

“Allah has promised those who have believed amongst you and performed righteous deeds that He will surely grant them succession [to authority] upon the earth just as He granted it to those before them and that He will surely establish for them [therein] their religion which He has preferred for them and that He will surely substitute for them, after their fear, security, [for] they worship Me, not associating anything with Me. But whoever disbelieves after that - then those are the defiantly disobedient.”[6]

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[1] 13:17
[2] Al-Tirmidhi, narrated by Abdullah ibn Salaam.
[3] 2:126
[4] 5:2
[5] Al-Tirmidhi: authentic hadith reported by Anas ibn Malik
[6] 24:55

[Jedi_Mindset]

I am nt guessing your intentions, I am commenting on what yu write. You always have a chance to defend your position. Furthermore, you speak of avoiding suspicions & in the same breath proclaim to know who is arming the rebels? are you for real? And more bewildering still is that you seem against a war yet again, speak of how the brotherhood is going to keep the peace agreement.. is that not asking for war?
why don't you spend some time defining your principals- you won't then end up a target of your posts being taken apart piece by piece to become so emotional about.


So what if his speech is too religious? This is the Egyptian identity.. do they have to politically water that down?
They have to learn to deal with us on our terms not the other way around.. & :welcome: aboard btw

:w:

Lol proclaim? Roffle man, its admitted by themselves that they arm the rebels. There are even rebels there with american M-16's walking around. Syria hasnt any of these weapons. I posted a article right there where shimon peres supported the rebels in their cause. And you simply ignore it and move on, whilst you want me to bring proof?

Its not a one sided support, but take a look at history how they funded revolutions. They have agents feeding both sides. Mi6 was responsible for arming gadaffi with chemical weapons and artillery. And the libyan rebels got armed by poland, qatar, KSA, egypt, also belgium sent FN Fals towards the rebels.

I use historic examples, its nothing new what they are doing. This happened 100 years ago, when britian gave the wahhabi movement arms to attack the khalifah. Not much later the house of saud was made the ruler of the lands of arabia.

For egypt, i guess we have to gonna see. But dont cry when its false hope.

And yes- you made assumptions of me being supporting Assad. why the hell would i support communism? Lol. Don't deny and walk away blindly, just admit that you made assumptions. dont make your nafs turn your blind.

Also: dont use the escapist attitude. You provoked me and i am here. You want a debate? I am here.

[جوري]

thank you , but when you are doing politics , you are not just dealing with muslims , i dont have any thing against their religious speech but im afraid that it's not going to be easy if they use the same speech with western

Any sovereign nation has a right to define its own identity. Who it wants for allies or enemies or even non-relations with. The U.S doesn't have relations or embassy in Iran. It is their prerogative. We shouldn't be afraid of who we are, for that is who we're. We're a people who were dignified through Islam and if we seek a glory in other than Islam then we will be humiliated.
To be quite frank.. I wish Egypt would build a citadel about itself in this time of rebuilding because we have many injuries that need to heal in private.

[جوري]

Lol proclaim? Roffle man, its admitted by themselves that they arm the rebels. There are even rebels there with american M-16's walking around. Syria hasnt any of these weapons. I posted a article right there where shimon peres supported the rebels in their cause. And you simply ignore it and move on, whilst you want me to bring proof?

Its not a one sided support, but take a look at history how they funded revolutions. They have agents feeding both sides. Mi6 was responsible for arming gadaffi with chemical weapons and artillery. And the libyan rebels got armed by poland, qatar, KSA, egypt, also belgium sent FN Fals towards the rebels.

I use historic examples, its nothing new what they are doing. This happened 100 years ago, when britian gave the wahhabi movement arms to attack the khalifah. Not much later the house of saud was made the ruler of the lands of arabia.

For egypt, i guess we have to gonna see. But dont cry when its false hope.

What the hell is with all this psycho babble?... You are so easily psychologically manipulated. Israel or the west can take credit all it wants for anything, anyone can say anything. It is a good game.. You don't know what a subterfuge is, in action or meaning.

best,

[MohamedMaghrebi]

I wish Egypt would build a citadel about itself in this time of rebuilding because we have many injuries that need to heal in private.

and you think it's a good thing for egypte , to be isolated , like iran?

by the way is there any notification to know that people have quote your says ....

[Jedi_Mindset]

[QUOTE=منوة الخيال;1527863]

What the hell is with all this psycho babble?... You are so easily psychologically manipulated. Israel or the west can take credit all it wants for anything, anyone can say anything. It is a good game.. You don't know what a subterfuge is, in action or meaning.

best,[/QUOTE

M16 right here above^

Another American weapon. m4 and Fn fals

Guy in the front has a FN fal, qatar has FN fals as main army weapon.

With military knowledge, knowledge from history, knowledge in exo-politics you can easily see that it has foreign influence. This syrian rebels might not know themselves, but the heads of the SNC really know about these matters.

I hope syrian rebels wont be decieved by the game and will the same like the taliban- justice and no foreign influence, by the will of Allah they will design their own weapons, like the iraqi mujahideen and taliban do.

Dont believe everything is just when it shouts la ilaha ill Allah or Allahu Akbar, the wahhabis did the same you know.

[جوري]

and you think it's a good thing for egypte , to be isolated , like iran?

by the way is there any notification to know that people have quote your says ....

Egypt isn't Iran, neither geographically nor religion wise. It is a soverign country with the rights to have dealings only with those countries it deems worthy and where it is mutually beneficial. I'd rather it do its business with a big country like Malaysia than the U.S... having relations with the U.S or Israel hasn't been benefcial to Egypt. It can also define the terms of its relations if it desires to have it with countries deemed less friendly. Right now, they're digging in the soukarry mines stealing gold, right now they're in west of Alexandria stealing oil, right now they're in the desert finding old war planes and uranium.. it is as if Egypt is sprawled out for every pimp to rape her.. I won't even touch upon the factories sold for pennies to the dollar by the former regime..
So the answer is even in extreme isolation I'd still say we'be better off.. for now anyway..

[جوري]

.

With military knowledge, knowledge from history, knowledge in exo-politics you can easily see that it has foreign influence. This syrian rebels might not know themselves, but the heads of the SNC really know about these matters.
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You've no such knowledge..
:w:

[Jedi_Mindset]

Bilderberg MeetingsChantilly, Virginia, USA, 31 May-3 June 2012Final List of Participants


Chairman

FRA	Castries, Henri de	Chairman and CEO, AXA Group
DEU	Ackermann, Josef	Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG
GBR	Agius, Marcus	Chairman, Barclays plc
USA	Ajami, Fouad	Senior Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University
USA	Alexander, Keith B.	Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency
INT	Almunia, Joaquín	Vice-President – Commissioner for Competition, European Commission
USA	Altman, Roger C.	Chairman, Evercore Partners
PRT	Amado, Luís	Chairman, Banco Internacional do Funchal (BANIF)
NOR	Andresen, Johan H.	Owner and CEO, FERD
FIN	Apunen, Matti	Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA
TUR	Babacan, Ali	Deputy Prime Minister for Economic and Financial Affairs
PRT	Balsemão, Francisco Pinto	President and CEO, Impresa; Former Prime Minister
FRA	Baverez, Nicolas	Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP
FRA	Béchu, Christophe	Senator, and Chairman, General Council of Maine-et-Loire
BEL	Belgium, H.R.H. Prince Philippe of
TUR	Berberoğlu, Enis	Editor-in-Chief, Hürriyet Newspaper
ITA	Bernabè, Franco	Chairman and CEO, Telecom Italia
GBR	Boles, Nick	Member of Parliament
SWE	Bonnier, Jonas	President and CEO, Bonnier AB
NOR	Brandtzæg, Svein Richard	President and CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA
AUT	Bronner, Oscar	Publisher, Der Standard Medienwelt
SWE	Carlsson, Gunilla	Minister for International Development Cooperation
CAN	Carney, Mark J.	Governor, Bank of Canada
ESP	Cebrián, Juan Luis	CEO, PRISA; Chairman, El País
AUT	Cernko, Willibald	CEO, UniCredit Bank Austria AG
FRA	Chalendar, Pierre André de	Chairman and CEO, Saint-Gobain
DNK	Christiansen, Jeppe	CEO, Maj Invest
RUS	Chubais, Anatoly B.	CEO, OJSC RUSNANO
CAN	Clark, W. Edmund	Group President and CEO, TD Bank Group
GBR	Clarke, Kenneth	Member of Parliament, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of Justice
USA	Collins, Timothy C.	CEO and Senior Managing Director, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC
ITA	Conti, Fulvio	CEO and General Manager, Enel S.p.A.
USA	Daniels, Jr., Mitchell E.	Governor of Indiana
USA	DeMuth, Christopher	Distinguished Fellow, Hudson Institute
USA	Donilon, Thomas E.	National Security Advisor, The White House
GBR	Dudley, Robert	Group Chief Executive, BP plc
ITA	Elkann, John	Chairman, Fiat S.p.A.
DEU	Enders, Thomas	CEO, Airbus
USA	Evans, J. Michael	Vice Chairman, Global Head of Growth Markets, Goldman Sachs & Co.
AUT	Faymann, Werner	Federal Chancellor
DNK	Federspiel, Ulrik	Executive Vice President, Haldor Topsøe A/S
USA	Ferguson, Niall	Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History, Harvard University
GBR	Flint, Douglas J.	Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc
CHN	Fu, Ying	Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs
IRL	Gallagher, Paul	Former Attorney General; Senior Counsel
USA	Gephardt, Richard A.	President and CEO, Gephardt Group
GRC	Giannitsis, Anastasios	Former Minister of Interior; Professor of Development and International Economics, University of Athens
USA	Goolsbee, Austan D.	Professor of Economics, University of Chicago Booth School of Business
USA	Graham, Donald E.	Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company
ITA	Gruber, Lilli	Journalist – Anchorwoman, La 7 TV
INT	Gucht, Karel de	Commissioner for Trade, European Commission
NLD	Halberstadt, Victor	Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings
USA	Harris, Britt	CIO, Teacher Retirement System of Texas
USA	Hoffman, Reid	Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn
CHN	Huang, Yiping	Professor of Economics, China Center for Economic Research, Peking University
USA	Huntsman, Jr., Jon M.	Chairman, Huntsman Cancer Foundation
DEU	Ischinger, Wolfgang	Chairman, Munich Security Conference; Global Head Government Relations, Allianz SE
RUS	Ivanov, Igor S.	Associate member, Russian Academy of Science; President, Russian International Affairs Council
FRA	Izraelewicz, Erik	CEO, Le Monde
USA	Jacobs, Kenneth M.	Chairman and CEO, Lazard
USA	Johnson, James A.	Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
USA	Jordan, Jr., Vernon E.	Senior Managing Director, Lazard
USA	Karp, Alexander	CEO, Palantir Technologies
USA	Karsner, Alexander	Executive Chairman, Manifest Energy, Inc
FRA	Karvar, Anousheh	Inspector, Inter-ministerial Audit and Evaluation Office for Social, Health, Employment and Labor Policies
RUS	Kasparov, Garry	Chairman, United Civil Front (of Russia)
GBR	Kerr, John	Independent Member, House of Lords
USA	Kerry, John	Senator for Massachusetts
TUR	Keyman, E. Fuat	Director, Istanbul Policy Center and Professor of International Relations, Sabanci University
USA	Kissinger, Henry A.	Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
USA	Kleinfeld, Klaus	Chairman and CEO, Alcoa
TUR	Koç, Mustafa	Chairman, Koç Holding A.Ş.
DEU	Koch, Roland	CEO, Bilfinger Berger SE
INT	Kodmani, Bassma	Member of the Executive Bureau and Head of Foreign Affairs, Syrian National Council
USA	Kravis, Henry R.	Co-Chairman and Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
USA	Kravis, Marie-Josée	Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute
INT	Kroes, Neelie	Vice President, European Commission; Commissioner for Digital Agenda
USA	Krupp, Fred	President, Environmental Defense Fund
INT	Lamy, Pascal	Director-General, World Trade Organization
ITA	Letta, Enrico	Deputy Leader, Democratic Party (PD)
ISR	Levite, Ariel E.	Nonresident Senior Associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
USA	Li, Cheng	Director of Research and Senior Fellow, John L. Thornton China Center, Brookings Institution
USA	Lipsky, John	Distinguished Visiting Scholar, Johns Hopkins University
USA	Liveris, Andrew N.	President, Chairman and CEO, The Dow Chemical Company
DEU	Löscher, Peter	President and CEO, Siemens AG
USA	Lynn, William J.	Chairman and CEO, DRS Technologies, Inc.
GBR	Mandelson, Peter	Member, House of Lords; Chairman, Global Counsel
USA	Mathews, Jessica T.	President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
DEN	Mchangama, Jacob	Director of Legal Affairs, Center for Political Studies (CEPOS)
CAN	McKenna, Frank	Deputy Chair, TD Bank Group
USA	Mehlman, Kenneth B.	Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
GBR	Micklethwait, John	Editor-in-Chief, The Economist
FRA	Montbrial, Thierry de	President, French Institute for International Relations
PRT	Moreira da Silva, Jorge	First Vice-President, Partido Social Democrata (PSD)
USA	Mundie, Craig J.	Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation
DEU	Nass, Matthias	Chief International Correspondent, Die Zeit
NLD	Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the
ESP	Nin Génova, Juan María	Deputy Chairman and CEO, Caixabank
IRL	Noonan, Michael	Minister for Finance
USA	Noonan, Peggy	Author, Columnist, The Wall Street Journal
FIN	Ollila, Jorma	Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell, plc
USA	Orszag, Peter R.	Vice Chairman, Citigroup
GRC	Papalexopoulos, Dimitri	Managing Director, Titan Cement Co.
NLD	Pechtold, Alexander	Parliamentary Leader, Democrats ’66 (D66)
USA	Perle, Richard N.	Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
NLD	Polman, Paul	CEO, Unilever PLC
CAN	Prichard, J. Robert S.	Chair, Torys LLP
ISR	Rabinovich, Itamar	Global Distinguished Professor, New York University
GBR	Rachman, Gideon	Chief Foreign Affairs Commentator, The Financial Times
USA	Rattner, Steven	Chairman, Willett Advisors LLC
CAN	Redford, Alison M.	Premier of Alberta
CAN	Reisman, Heather M.	CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
DEU	Reitzle, Wolfgang	CEO & President, Linde AG
USA	Rogoff, Kenneth S.	Professor of Economics, Harvard University
USA	Rose, Charlie	Executive Editor and Anchor, Charlie Rose
USA	Ross, Dennis B.	Counselor, Washington Institute for Near East Policy
POL	Rostowski, Jacek	Minister of Finance
USA	Rubin, Robert E.	Co-Chair, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury
NLD	Rutte, Mark	Prime Minister
ESP	Sáenz de Santamaría Antón, Soraya	Vice President and Minister for the Presidency
NLD	Scheffer, Paul	Professor of European Studies, Tilburg University
USA	Schmidt, Eric E.	Executive Chairman, Google Inc.
AUT	Scholten, Rudolf	Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
FRA	Senard, Jean-Dominique	CEO, Michelin Group
USA	Shambaugh, David	Director, China Policy Program, George Washington University
INT	Sheeran, Josette	Vice Chairman, World Economic Forum
FIN	Siilasmaa, Risto	Chairman of the Board of Directors, Nokia Corporation
USA	Speyer, Jerry I.	Chairman and Co-CEO, Tishman Speyer
CHE	Supino, Pietro	Chairman and Publisher, Tamedia AG
IRL	Sutherland, Peter D.	Chairman, Goldman Sachs International
USA	Thiel, Peter A.	President, Clarium Capital / Thiel Capital
TUR	Timuray, Serpil	CEO, Vodafone Turkey
DEU	Trittin, Jürgen	Parliamentary Leader, Alliance 90/The Greens
GRC	Tsoukalis, Loukas	President, Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy
FIN	Urpilainen, Jutta	Minister of Finance
CHE	Vasella, Daniel L.	Chairman, Novartis AG
INT	Vimont, Pierre	Executive Secretary General, European External Action Service
GBR	Voser, Peter	CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc
SWE	Wallenberg, Jacob	Chairman, Investor AB
USA	Warsh, Kevin	Distinguished Visiting Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University
GBR	Wolf, Martin H.	Chief Economics Commentator, The Financial Times
USA	Wolfensohn, James D.	Chairman and CEO, Wolfensohn and Company
CAN	Wright, Nigel S.	Chief of Staff, Office of the Prime Minister
USA	Yergin, Daniel	Chairman, IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates
INT	Zoellick, Robert B.	President, The World Bank Group
	Rapporteurs
GBR	Bredow, Vendeline von	Business Correspondent, The Economist
GBR	Wooldridge, Adrian D.	Foreign Correspondent, The Economist

[جوري]

Bilderberg MeetingsChantilly, Virginia, USA, 31 May-3 June 2012Final List of Participants


Chairman

FRA	Castries, Henri de	Chairman and CEO, AXA Group
DEU	Ackermann, Josef	Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG
GBR	Agius, Marcus	Chairman, Barclays plc
USA	Ajami, Fouad	Senior Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University
USA	Alexander, Keith B.	Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency
INT	Almunia, Joaquín	Vice-President – Commissioner for Competition, European Commission
USA	Altman, Roger C.	Chairman, Evercore Partners
PRT	Amado, Luís	Chairman, Banco Internacional do Funchal (BANIF)
NOR	Andresen, Johan H.	Owner and CEO, FERD
FIN	Apunen, Matti	Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA
TUR	Babacan, Ali	Deputy Prime Minister for Economic and Financial Affairs
PRT	Balsemão, Francisco Pinto	President and CEO, Impresa; Former Prime Minister
FRA	Baverez, Nicolas	Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP
FRA	Béchu, Christophe	Senator, and Chairman, General Council of Maine-et-Loire
BEL	Belgium, H.R.H. Prince Philippe of
TUR	Berberoğlu, Enis	Editor-in-Chief, Hürriyet Newspaper
ITA	Bernabè, Franco	Chairman and CEO, Telecom Italia
GBR	Boles, Nick	Member of Parliament
SWE	Bonnier, Jonas	President and CEO, Bonnier AB
NOR	Brandtzæg, Svein Richard	President and CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA
AUT	Bronner, Oscar	Publisher, Der Standard Medienwelt
SWE	Carlsson, Gunilla	Minister for International Development Cooperation
CAN	Carney, Mark J.	Governor, Bank of Canada
ESP	Cebrián, Juan Luis	CEO, PRISA; Chairman, El País
AUT	Cernko, Willibald	CEO, UniCredit Bank Austria AG
FRA	Chalendar, Pierre André de	Chairman and CEO, Saint-Gobain
DNK	Christiansen, Jeppe	CEO, Maj Invest
RUS	Chubais, Anatoly B.	CEO, OJSC RUSNANO
CAN	Clark, W. Edmund	Group President and CEO, TD Bank Group
GBR	Clarke, Kenneth	Member of Parliament, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of Justice
USA	Collins, Timothy C.	CEO and Senior Managing Director, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC
ITA	Conti, Fulvio	CEO and General Manager, Enel S.p.A.
USA	Daniels, Jr., Mitchell E.	Governor of Indiana
USA	DeMuth, Christopher	Distinguished Fellow, Hudson Institute
USA	Donilon, Thomas E.	National Security Advisor, The White House
GBR	Dudley, Robert	Group Chief Executive, BP plc
ITA	Elkann, John	Chairman, Fiat S.p.A.
DEU	Enders, Thomas	CEO, Airbus
USA	Evans, J. Michael	Vice Chairman, Global Head of Growth Markets, Goldman Sachs & Co.
AUT	Faymann, Werner	Federal Chancellor
DNK	Federspiel, Ulrik	Executive Vice President, Haldor Topsøe A/S
USA	Ferguson, Niall	Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History, Harvard University
GBR	Flint, Douglas J.	Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc
CHN	Fu, Ying	Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs
IRL	Gallagher, Paul	Former Attorney General; Senior Counsel
USA	Gephardt, Richard A.	President and CEO, Gephardt Group
GRC	Giannitsis, Anastasios	Former Minister of Interior; Professor of Development and International Economics, University of Athens
USA	Goolsbee, Austan D.	Professor of Economics, University of Chicago Booth School of Business
USA	Graham, Donald E.	Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company
ITA	Gruber, Lilli	Journalist – Anchorwoman, La 7 TV
INT	Gucht, Karel de	Commissioner for Trade, European Commission
NLD	Halberstadt, Victor	Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings
USA	Harris, Britt	CIO, Teacher Retirement System of Texas
USA	Hoffman, Reid	Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn
CHN	Huang, Yiping	Professor of Economics, China Center for Economic Research, Peking University
USA	Huntsman, Jr., Jon M.	Chairman, Huntsman Cancer Foundation
DEU	Ischinger, Wolfgang	Chairman, Munich Security Conference; Global Head Government Relations, Allianz SE
RUS	Ivanov, Igor S.	Associate member, Russian Academy of Science; President, Russian International Affairs Council
FRA	Izraelewicz, Erik	CEO, Le Monde
USA	Jacobs, Kenneth M.	Chairman and CEO, Lazard
USA	Johnson, James A.	Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
USA	Jordan, Jr., Vernon E.	Senior Managing Director, Lazard
USA	Karp, Alexander	CEO, Palantir Technologies
USA	Karsner, Alexander	Executive Chairman, Manifest Energy, Inc
FRA	Karvar, Anousheh	Inspector, Inter-ministerial Audit and Evaluation Office for Social, Health, Employment and Labor Policies
RUS	Kasparov, Garry	Chairman, United Civil Front (of Russia)
GBR	Kerr, John	Independent Member, House of Lords
USA	Kerry, John	Senator for Massachusetts
TUR	Keyman, E. Fuat	Director, Istanbul Policy Center and Professor of International Relations, Sabanci University
USA	Kissinger, Henry A.	Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
USA	Kleinfeld, Klaus	Chairman and CEO, Alcoa
TUR	Koç, Mustafa	Chairman, Koç Holding A.Ş.
DEU	Koch, Roland	CEO, Bilfinger Berger SE
INT	Kodmani, Bassma	Member of the Executive Bureau and Head of Foreign Affairs, Syrian National Council
USA	Kravis, Henry R.	Co-Chairman and Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
USA	Kravis, Marie-Josée	Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute
INT	Kroes, Neelie	Vice President, European Commission; Commissioner for Digital Agenda
USA	Krupp, Fred	President, Environmental Defense Fund
INT	Lamy, Pascal	Director-General, World Trade Organization
ITA	Letta, Enrico	Deputy Leader, Democratic Party (PD)
ISR	Levite, Ariel E.	Nonresident Senior Associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
USA	Li, Cheng	Director of Research and Senior Fellow, John L. Thornton China Center, Brookings Institution
USA	Lipsky, John	Distinguished Visiting Scholar, Johns Hopkins University
USA	Liveris, Andrew N.	President, Chairman and CEO, The Dow Chemical Company
DEU	Löscher, Peter	President and CEO, Siemens AG
USA	Lynn, William J.	Chairman and CEO, DRS Technologies, Inc.
GBR	Mandelson, Peter	Member, House of Lords; Chairman, Global Counsel
USA	Mathews, Jessica T.	President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
DEN	Mchangama, Jacob	Director of Legal Affairs, Center for Political Studies (CEPOS)
CAN	McKenna, Frank	Deputy Chair, TD Bank Group
USA	Mehlman, Kenneth B.	Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
GBR	Micklethwait, John	Editor-in-Chief, The Economist
FRA	Montbrial, Thierry de	President, French Institute for International Relations
PRT	Moreira da Silva, Jorge	First Vice-President, Partido Social Democrata (PSD)
USA	Mundie, Craig J.	Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation
DEU	Nass, Matthias	Chief International Correspondent, Die Zeit
NLD	Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the
ESP	Nin Génova, Juan María	Deputy Chairman and CEO, Caixabank
IRL	Noonan, Michael	Minister for Finance
USA	Noonan, Peggy	Author, Columnist, The Wall Street Journal
FIN	Ollila, Jorma	Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell, plc
USA	Orszag, Peter R.	Vice Chairman, Citigroup
GRC	Papalexopoulos, Dimitri	Managing Director, Titan Cement Co.
NLD	Pechtold, Alexander	Parliamentary Leader, Democrats ’66 (D66)
USA	Perle, Richard N.	Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
NLD	Polman, Paul	CEO, Unilever PLC
CAN	Prichard, J. Robert S.	Chair, Torys LLP
ISR	Rabinovich, Itamar	Global Distinguished Professor, New York University
GBR	Rachman, Gideon	Chief Foreign Affairs Commentator, The Financial Times
USA	Rattner, Steven	Chairman, Willett Advisors LLC
CAN	Redford, Alison M.	Premier of Alberta
CAN	Reisman, Heather M.	CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
DEU	Reitzle, Wolfgang	CEO & President, Linde AG
USA	Rogoff, Kenneth S.	Professor of Economics, Harvard University
USA	Rose, Charlie	Executive Editor and Anchor, Charlie Rose
USA	Ross, Dennis B.	Counselor, Washington Institute for Near East Policy
POL	Rostowski, Jacek	Minister of Finance
USA	Rubin, Robert E.	Co-Chair, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury
NLD	Rutte, Mark	Prime Minister
ESP	Sáenz de Santamaría Antón, Soraya	Vice President and Minister for the Presidency
NLD	Scheffer, Paul	Professor of European Studies, Tilburg University
USA	Schmidt, Eric E.	Executive Chairman, Google Inc.
AUT	Scholten, Rudolf	Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
FRA	Senard, Jean-Dominique	CEO, Michelin Group
USA	Shambaugh, David	Director, China Policy Program, George Washington University
INT	Sheeran, Josette	Vice Chairman, World Economic Forum
FIN	Siilasmaa, Risto	Chairman of the Board of Directors, Nokia Corporation
USA	Speyer, Jerry I.	Chairman and Co-CEO, Tishman Speyer
CHE	Supino, Pietro	Chairman and Publisher, Tamedia AG
IRL	Sutherland, Peter D.	Chairman, Goldman Sachs International
USA	Thiel, Peter A.	President, Clarium Capital / Thiel Capital
TUR	Timuray, Serpil	CEO, Vodafone Turkey
DEU	Trittin, Jürgen	Parliamentary Leader, Alliance 90/The Greens
GRC	Tsoukalis, Loukas	President, Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy
FIN	Urpilainen, Jutta	Minister of Finance
CHE	Vasella, Daniel L.	Chairman, Novartis AG
INT	Vimont, Pierre	Executive Secretary General, European External Action Service
GBR	Voser, Peter	CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc
SWE	Wallenberg, Jacob	Chairman, Investor AB
USA	Warsh, Kevin	Distinguished Visiting Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University
GBR	Wolf, Martin H.	Chief Economics Commentator, The Financial Times
USA	Wolfensohn, James D.	Chairman and CEO, Wolfensohn and Company
CAN	Wright, Nigel S.	Chief of Staff, Office of the Prime Minister
USA	Yergin, Daniel	Chairman, IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates
INT	Zoellick, Robert B.	President, The World Bank Group
	Rapporteurs
GBR	Bredow, Vendeline von	Business Correspondent, The Economist
GBR	Wooldridge, Adrian D.	Foreign Correspondent, The Economist

& what am I to deduce from this sordid song of the south? ;D

[Jedi_Mindset]

You've no such knowledge..
:w:

And you? Coming from a non-historic view and only puts on some opinions and add them as truth? I Use examples from history, sister. They havent changed their tactics - remember we're already in WW3 its the battle for your mind and soul. The media has launched wars already. I just added the list of participants of the bilderberg conference and you see who was present there, the head of the Syrian national counsil, the counsil made by the oppostion has headquarters in istanbull - turkey is a NATO country.

The ones who are smiling now are the americans, russians and israelis.

[Jedi_Mindset]

& what am I to deduce from this sordid song of the south? ;D

You have no power anymore, admit it, atleast admit you shouldnt put such assumptions anymore. Because i can be pretty mean in targeting your nafs. This sordid song of the south is a list of the bilderberg group participants, if you dont know who these guys are be atleast quiet. They're a front of the upcoming New World order and are amongst the many groups. And your heroes from the SNC where there too.

[MohamedMaghrebi]

Egypt isn't Iran, neither geographically nor religion wise. It is a soverign country with the rights to have dealings only with those countries it deems worthy and where it is mutually beneficial. I'd rather it do its business with a big country like Malaysia than the U.S... having relations with the U.S or Israel hasn't been benefcial to Egypt. It can also define the terms of its relations if it desires to have it with countries deemed less friendly. Right now, they're digging in the soukarry mines stealing gold, right now they're in west of Alexandria stealing oil, right now they're in the desert finding old war planes and uranium.. it is as if Egypt is sprawled out for every pimp to rape her.. I won't even touch upon the factories sold for pennies to the dollar by the former regime..
So the answer is even in extreme isolation I'd still say we'be better off.. for now anyway..

they will not have the choice , having relations whit big poles in the World like US , EUROPE , CHINA ...is unavoidable , they have to adopt an other terms and ways to talk to poeple ,

and you didnt answer my question about notification ^o)

[جوري]

You have no power anymore, admit it, atleast admit you shouldnt put such assumptions anymore. Because i can be pretty mean in targeting your nafs. This sordid song of the south is a list of the bilderberg group participants, if you dont know who these guys are be atleast quiet. They're a front of the upcoming New World order and are amongst the many groups. And your heroes from the SNC where there too.

jabs at my light saber I fear aren't going to cut.. the simplest answer is usually the most accurate. Rebels armed by Israel wouldn't have such a protracted course of war nor would the average death of civilians mount to a hundred daily..
I like conspiracy theories as much as the next guy but the weekend is over..

:w:

[Jedi_Mindset]

jabs at my light saber I fear aren't going to cut.. the simplest answer is usually the most accurate. Rebels armed by Israel wouldn't have such a protracted course of war nor would the average death of civilians mount to a hundred daily..
I like conspiracy theories as much as the next guy but the weekend is over..

:w:

conspiracy theories arent facts, soon your gonna believe that 9/11 was done by bin laden. Get a grip please. I've showed oyu pics from rebels with american made weapons.

And now the next step watch this:



Righteous? i think so. So much for saudi paid ''scholars''. They have asked to kill women and children and they're gonna do it. You have certainly no idea of false flags, covert operations, smugglers and so forth.

[Abz2000]

Russia: US arming Syrian rebels


http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/8411

Russia's foreign minister on Wednesday accused the United States of supplying Syrian rebels with weapons to fight against the government.
It is the latest tit-for-tat between Moscow and Washington over the Syrian crisis, coming a day after US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton accused Russia of sending attack helicopters to Syria.
"We are not violating any international law in performing these contracts," said Sergei Lavrov, in response to a question about Clinton's comments at a news conference during a visit to Iran.
Lavrov described as "patently untrue" US accusations it was aiding the Syrian government in its crackdown, maintaining Moscow's argument that its arms transfers to Syria are unrelated to the conflict there.
"They (the United States) are providing arms and weapons to the Syrian opposition that can be used in fighting against the Damascus government," he said on Iranian state television, speaking through an interpreter.

Secretary of State

Hillary Clinton

told Charlie Rose earlier in the week that the United States is working with the FSA and other opposition groups and attempting to turn them into a force capable of overthrowing the al-Assad regime.
“We’re also working very hard to try to prop up and better organize the opposition. We’ve spent a lot of time on that. It’s still a work in progress,” she said.

BASICALLY, WHAT THE U.S IS DOING, IS TERRORISM ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN LAW.
AND WHAT RUSSIA IS DOING, IS LEGAL ACCORDING TO THE U.S AND RUSSIAN LAW.
WHICH IS WHY THE U.S REMAINS SILENT ON IT'S OWN ACTS.
it is however clear, that the US embarked on a plan to overthrow Syria over a decade ago, and cannot find any legal or moral justification other than through provocations and destabilization.

US and UK Government International Intervention Since 1945:

http://www.us-uk-interventions.org/b...lio_syria.html

US will allocate $5m to finance Syria opposition
February 18, 2006

The United States will allocate $5 million to finance the Syrian opposition, the State Department said yesterday, two days after announcing a similar initiative for the Iranian opposition.

The State Department said in a statement that it will give the money “to accelerate the work of reformers in Syria.”

The money would come from the department’s Middle East Partnership Initiative, it said.

The State Department announced on Wednesday that it would seek $75 million to step up efforts — through extra broadcasts and other activities — to influence democratic change in Iran.

Meanwhile, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said yesterday that the United States wants to strengthen its sanctions against Syria and is trying to convince other nations to follow suit.

“We intend to use the Syrian Accountability Act and use it to its fullest,” the top US diplomat told Congress, referring to a 2003 law that allows the US administration to impose sanctions against Syria. The law, which provides for a series of six diplomatic, economic and financial sanctions, was partially applied in May 2004 by President George W. Bush, but some sanctions have yet to be used.

“The Syrian Accountability Act is a very important tool,” Rice told the House of Representatives International Relations Committee.

“We’ve used a great deal of it,” she recalled.

http://dotandcalm.com/calm-archive/index/t-15689.html

it's amazing how we live under all this for decades, and only decide to act when the u.s wants to invade.....

[جوري]

they will not have the choice , having relations whit big poles in the World like US , EUROPE , CHINA ...is unavoidable , they have to adopt an other terms and ways to talk to poeple ,

and you didnt answer my question about notification ^o)

I disagree with that, of course I am not the one overseeing policy making.
This verse truly comes to mind when I think of what you or they are proposing:
Al-Imran (The Family of Imran)[3:175]

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Innama thalikumu alshshaytanu yukhawwifu awliyaahu fala takhafoohum wakhafooni in kuntum mumineena

3:175 It is only the Evil One that suggests to you the fear of his votaries: Be ye not afraid of them, but fear Me, if ye have Faith.

It is almost as if you believe Islamic banking couldn't work, that man made system is better than God's. It is just a matter of being principled and standing firm on said principals. None of the aid coming in was seen by the Egyptians anyway, and their major forms of agriculture, like wheat and cotton production was greatly and slowly destroyed over the years again thanks to the former regime. So in closure I don't believe that anything was gained by having those kinds of foreign relations. In fact they were detrimental.
As for quoting multiple would be that little quote tab with a plus sign the first on your anatomic right from the bottom, while just one quote is the button next to it from the left..

:w:

[Jedi_Mindset]

Russia: US arming Syrian rebels


http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/8411

Russia's foreign minister on Wednesday accused the United States of supplying Syrian rebels with weapons to fight against the government.
It is the latest tit-for-tat between Moscow and Washington over the Syrian crisis, coming a day after US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton accused Russia of sending attack helicopters to Syria.
"We are not violating any international law in performing these contracts," said Sergei Lavrov, in response to a question about Clinton's comments at a news conference during a visit to Iran.
Lavrov described as "patently untrue" US accusations it was aiding the Syrian government in its crackdown, maintaining Moscow's argument that its arms transfers to Syria are unrelated to the conflict there.
"They (the United States) are providing arms and weapons to the Syrian opposition that can be used in fighting against the Damascus government," he said on Iranian state television, speaking through an interpreter.

Secretary of State

Hillary Clinton

told Charlie Rose earlier in the week that the United States is working with the FSA and other opposition groups and attempting to turn them into a force capable of overthrowing the al-Assad regime.
“We’re also working very hard to try to prop up and better organize the opposition. We’ve spent a lot of time on that. It’s still a work in progress,” she said.

BASICALLY, WHAT THE U.S IS DOING, IS TERRORISM ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN LAW.
AND WHAT RUSSIA IS DOING, IS LEGAL ACCORDING TO THE U.S AND RUSSIAN LAW.
WHICH IS WHY THE U.S REMAINS SILENT ON IT'S OWN ACTS.
it is however clear, that the US embarked on a plan to overthrow Syria over a decade ago, and cannot find any legal or moral justification other than through provocations and destabilization.

US and UK Government International Intervention Since 1945:

http://www.us-uk-interventions.org/b...lio_syria.html

US will allocate $5m to finance Syria opposition
February 18, 2006

The United States will allocate $5 million to finance the Syrian opposition, the State Department said yesterday, two days after announcing a similar initiative for the Iranian opposition.

The State Department said in a statement that it will give the money “to accelerate the work of reformers in Syria.”

The money would come from the department’s Middle East Partnership Initiative, it said.

The State Department announced on Wednesday that it would seek $75 million to step up efforts — through extra broadcasts and other activities — to influence democratic change in Iran.

Meanwhile, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said yesterday that the United States wants to strengthen its sanctions against Syria and is trying to convince other nations to follow suit.

“We intend to use the Syrian Accountability Act and use it to its fullest,” the top US diplomat told Congress, referring to a 2003 law that allows the US administration to impose sanctions against Syria. The law, which provides for a series of six diplomatic, economic and financial sanctions, was partially applied in May 2004 by President George W. Bush, but some sanctions have yet to be used.

“The Syrian Accountability Act is a very important tool,” Rice told the House of Representatives International Relations Committee.

“We’ve used a great deal of it,” she recalled.

http://dotandcalm.com/calm-archive/index/t-15689.html

it's amazing how we live under all this for decades, and only decide to act when the u.s wants to invade.....

Bro, Sis bluebell wont reply or ignore it because she have chosen the bilderbergers of the SNC as her heroes.

U.S. official to Israel:
We'll deal with Syria, Iran after Iraq war

(from an Israeli newspaper that often
reveals more truth than US media)
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/263923.html


Monday, February 17, 2003 Adar1 15, 5763 Israel Time: 19:57 (GMT+2)

U.S. official to Israel:
We'll deal with Syria, Iran after Iraq war

By Aluf Benn and Sharon Sadeh, Haaretz Correspondents, Haaretz Service and Agencies

U.S. Undersec'y of State John Bolton
Syria and Iran are next.
(Photo: AP)

U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton said in meetings with Israeli officials on Monday that he has no doubt America will attack Iraq, and that it will be necessary to deal with threats from Syria, Iran and North Korea afterwards. (maybe not that last part... about North Korea... any time soon)

Bolton, who is undersecretary for arms control and international security, is in Israel for meetings about preventing the spread of weapons of mass destruction.

In a meeting with Bolton on Monday, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said that Israel is concerned about the security threat posed by Iran. It's important to deal with Iran even while American attention is turned toward Iraq, Sharon said.

Bolton also met with Foreign Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Housing and Construction Minister Natan Sharansky.

NOTE: Netanyahu and Sharansky along with Sharon are all well known for their avowal of the right of settlement and eventual claim to the West Bank and Gaza as part of Greater Israel -- although Sharon is currently lying that he is willing to enter into a peace process again after Iraq and other Arab nations are vanquished by the U.S. military. Is Bush such a fool, or does he know he is cooperating with these criminals?




iraq war has ended, now they're going for syria and iran. Is it a coincidence that israel is barking the chemical weapons excuse?

[جوري]

Russia: US arming Syrian rebels

And Russia is so credible.. Russia wasn't supplying Assad with attack helicopters, which is precisely how he's exterminating his citizens.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...nt-helicopters

shame on you both in lieu of loaning your support to your fellow Muslims you favor one evil b@stard over another over the best route to eradicate Syrians.

[Jedi_Mindset]

And Russia is so credible.. Russia wasn't supplying Assad with attack helicopters, which is precisely how he's exterminating his citizens.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...nt-helicopters

shame on you both in lieu of loaning your support to your fellow Muslims you favor one evil b@stard over another over the best route to eradicate Syrians.

shame on your for supporting american invasion, like you were happy when gadaffi was toppled. But the NTC is no less different. You are blind to think everything comes good from them. They're on the verge of invading syria and you still support the revolution which is been hijacked already since previous year. Syrians know this, i've talked with them. May they wake up soon when USA invades Insha'Allah .

really, i hope so you will be quiet when you read reports that US killed over 100,000 syrians by bombings. just like the 50,000 ones by NATO in libya. Again you fall in their lies, again shame on this ummah for playing their games. You are brainwashed by the media war. Your heroes at the bilderberg group will certainly be happy. (The SNC)

And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers."
Surely! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive it not." (Holy Qur'an 2:11-12)


yeah hell i support al-assad, i love communism lol ;D assumptions made again by her. Oh dear.

[جوري]

shame on your for supporting american invasion, like you were happy when gadaffi was toppled. But the NTC is no less different. You are blind to think everything comes good from them. They're on the verge of invading syria and you still support the revolution which is been hijacked already since previous year. Syrians know this, i've talked with them. May they wake up soon when USA invades Insha'Allah .

really, i hope so you will be quiet when you read reports that US killed over 100,000 syrians by bombings. just like the 50,000 ones by NATO in libya. Again you fall in their lies, again shame on this ummah for playing their games. You are brainwashed by the media war.

I don't which parts are difficult for you to understand, how you sort through information, you're truly a cross between pitiable & frankly dangerous..neither is a compliment in case you need a conspiracy video to sort through meaning.

[Jedi_Mindset]

I don't which parts are difficult for you to understand, how you sort through information, you're truly a cross between pitiable & frankly dangerous..neither is a compliment in case you need a conspiracy video to sort through meaning.

You think that syrian regime killing people is bad, but completely remain silent when wahhabi scholars issue fatwas that FSA can do the same. Don't follow the masses, i certainly dont. You do, lambs for the slaughter let me say. Don't cry when you see US troops raping syrian girls. I dont want to see any of your words when that happens. I only want to see your face full of regret and dissapointment. Al-jewzeera has brainwashed you. (Sold by emir of qatar, towards who?)

Dont take christians and jews as their allies even with arming. Dont seek the west for help but ask Allah for help. Then wait patiently. Allah likes the ones who have patience. Selfishness has reached your toll, i've got the weakness already out of you Alhamdulillah. And thats ignorance and selfishness.

Here are your buddies killing prisoners: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0bc_1339637024 (warning graphic vid)
Ask your bilderbergers SNC why they allow that? Aren't they just and truthfull?

Have you ever talked with syrians? I even talked with lebanese who lived under Syria's occupation. It was not pretty but it seems that there are indeed foreign groups in the country. A Syrian sister said this to me. She was sunni btw. Its so good when you talk with locals, you can bring everyone down with it.

You'vre never talked with syrians on this matter, but instead remain on tv watching al-jewzeera lol. You are only such a fool making out of yourself with absurd arguments ''if israel says that doesnt mean they do that'' what a load of -------s, those m-16 rifles are used by israel.

Not everyone who says La ilaha ill Allah or allahu Akbar is truthfull, certainly not in times like this.

[جوري]

You think that syrian regime killing people is bad, but completely remain silent when wahhabi scholars issue fatwas that FSA can do the same. Don't follow the masses, i certainly dont. You do, lambs for the slaughter let me say. Don't cry wolf when you see US troops raping syrian girls. I dont want to see any of your words when that happens. I only want to see your face full of regret and dissapointment. Al-jewzeera has brainwashed you. (Sold by emir of qatar, towards who?)

Dont take christians and jews as their allies even with arming. Dont seek the west for help but ask Allah for help. Then wait patiently. Allah likes the ones who have patience. Selfishness has reached your toll, i've got the weakness already out of you Alhamdulillah. And thats ignorance and selfishness.

Here are your buddies killing prisoners: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0bc_1339637024 (warning graphic vid)
Ask your bilderbergers SNC why they allow that? Aren't they just and truthfull?

Have you ever talked with syrians?

You can skip over what I write.. I do hope that they eradicate the Alawites in shaa Allah, unless they repent which I highly doubt.. no one here has asked for allies with anyone.. It is as if there is an impenetrable barricade around your head that merely puts out and doesn't take any input. Syrians are being raped and killed now.. is the rape and killing of now worse than hypothetical rape and killing of the future? Are you too good to be true or what exactly is wrong with you?



selective knowledge is more dangerous than ignorance!

[Jedi_Mindset]

Wallahi you cant understand me, and i certainly cant understand you. Nobody would agree with these kind of things. The syrian army is based on secularism but every army is.

You are speaking out of your emotion dont do that, killing women and children is unlawful. our blessed prophet(Saw) didn't touch pagan children and women either.

But you are picking one side, support the one, despise the other. Both sides have commited autrocities. FSA is known for killing government supporters even though they arent in army or police. its a whole bloody chessgame for israel to launch its bloody nukes soon on every muslims country? Do you know why our blessed prophet (Saw) woke up in a state of fear?

The arabs are used for the mass slaughter, usedf as pawns for secterian warfare.

(2) Narrated Zainab bint Jahsh: That the Prophet once came to her in a state of fear and said, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah. Woe unto the Arabs from a danger that has come near. An opening has been made in the wall of gog and Magog like this," making a circle with his thumb and index finger. Zainab bint Jahsh said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we be destroyed even though there are pious persons among us?" He said, "Yes, when the evil person will increase." (Book #55, Hadith #565)


This hadith really recalls that big portions of the arabs will be destroyed. do you and see know why i am worried? Why the syrians should wake up and not fall in these traps? If not for Assad then a bigger and greater evil will come to them. And this is why they arm the syrian rebels to betray them later and kill them. Just like they did with our brothers and sisters in khurasan.

I want the best of syrians- but they should never fall in America's trap. This are NOT glorious times, you see how happy the US&israeli were when dictators got toppled around the middle east. They are not scared at all.


Look at this part of the hadith:

"O Allah's Apostle! Shall we be destroyed even though there are pious persons among us?" He said, "Yes, when the evil person will increase."


Dont reply on this, until you ponder and reflect on it.

[جوري]

Like I said, I am not interested in gog and magog or future deaths and rapes.. I am concerned with the here and now.
This is WAR not a picnic. Alwaites aren't Muslims, they're pigs no different than Zionists IDF or fundie christians mercenaries and should be eliminated
9:36-------------------------- And fight against the disbelievers collectively as they fight against you collectively. And know that Allah is with the righteous [who fear Him].
.. These are trained soldiers not civilians. You don't know how to be sharp and cut straight through the crap and that's a problem!

[Jedi_Mindset]

The Frenchies gave Assad power after they left the country so no doubt Assad was always western backed. Sis one thing: Saddam Hussein. Very same with the situation in syria today.

But the syrians should stop trusting america, israel or their allies(The house of Yahoud, NTC, turkey and jordan). They are not for any good. I'm not speaking out disorted truth, its only you who can't fit the puzzles. You remain quiet when Saudi arabia send mercenaries to blow themselves up in the midst of damascus.

It isnt still right to blow yourself up in a crowded street many sunnis died in this explosion btw, and no it wasnt assad who did this, who the hell would target its own military? even USA didnt do that on 9/11.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/10/syria-violence_n_1505488.html

[جوري]

Saddam was weak wasn't he? he stood against his masters, he wanted to sell oil by the barrel in euros and they showed him. The current Iraqi govt. wasn't borne of a grassroots revolution. It was born of direct occupation. Countries in the Muslim world are either physically occupied or politically occupied, and the average git on the streets no matter how poor their education knows it. Unlike in the west for one simple reason and that is outside of what they see happening. Usually when a country has a despotic regime people can overlook it if the economic conditions are good.. like in China for instance or even the U.S.. but when the govt. is oppressive they live in castles while the rest are outside the gate you get something ugly like happened in Russia with the late czar Nicholas the II ...
it is really that simple..how much are the people willing to tolerate..

[Jedi_Mindset]

Saddam was weak wasn't he? he stood against his masters, he wanted to sell oil by the barrel in euros and they showed him. The current Iraqi govt. wasn't borne of a grassroots revolution. It was born of direct occupation. Countries in the Muslim world are either physically occupied or politically occupied, and the average git on the streets no matter how poor their education knows it. Unlike in the west for one simple reason and that is outside of what they see happening. Usually when a country has a despotic regime people can overlook it if the economic conditions are good.. like in China for instance or even the U.S.. but when the govt. is oppressive they live in castles while the rest are outside the gate you get something ugly like happened in Russia with the late czar Nicholas the II ...
it is really that simple..how much are the people willing to tolerate..

Yes and the western media claimed he killed kurds and shia muslims, later on its known that it was very false(Or atleast it was exaggerated). Thats why i say: Dont believe the same media when it targets dictators like gadaffi or Assad, there is something very fishy. Like i said, israel came with the chemical WMD excuse again. Al-assad has now such a bad image in the arab world and europe, US that no one would bother when US or NATO invades.

Dont believe that syrian rebels atleast some of them are such friendly guys, i've seen a vid where they almost targeted children with a RPG. Blowing themselves up in the midst of damascus isnt right either eh? We are now on the very countdown of syria intervention, so lets stop talking and see further ok?

The syrain rebels have every right to kill syrian soldiers but do not involve innocents in their actions. Also they need to stop let themselves be armed by you know who. Its not about how long a jihad is during, but how steadfast you are on your deen and imaan. the afghans are fighting more then 30 years and they still don't have lost hope.

And there are around 4 million afghans killed by Russia and the US.

Rely on Allah but not the west and other dictatorships. (kinda uncanny when you get armed by another dictatorship like jordan or house of saud eh?) Dictatorships arming groups fighting against another dictatorship. I think thats hypocritical.

[جوري]

I am not concerned with who says what.. I am concerned with what is.. maligning them further or making them into saints won't change the fact of the matter, nor will it make time move back.. I don't hate Assad because the west says he's a bad guy. I hate him because he is a bad guy and he's not governing by the rule of God and it actually serves the west o plenty to have a minority riding a majority, hence Lebanon, Iraq, Syria Sudan and Egypt if they could play on the Coptic psychology long enough.. the problem however is that they're not very seasoned with the tricks they play because they're an ocean away.. the Brits can play that game better or at least have played it better but now have t relinquish the throne to the new guys on the block and carpet bombing works some but it doesn't change hearts nor minds...
It takes skill and I have to concede that once upon a time the British empire had it and played their cards well.
Now it is time to move on. Again, no going back so might as well figure out how to move from here..

:w:

[Jedi_Mindset]

The Americans are using the same tricks as britain did: Divide and conquer
This is both leaded by USA- britain- israel. They're not failing in this matter. Look at iraq and libya, Pakistan and you mentioned Sudan also. This is true. the best to see the truth is to go talk with syrian people like i've done and Alhamdulillah it changed my perspective. truth can come very hard.

But take in mind that US wanted to invade syria for decades, this would be just the right oppertunity. This is why i have a sharp eye, and on this why USA supports the opposition by even granting them a place in istanbul, and inviting them on the bilderberg conference (which is completely zionist)

I only want you to view the bigger picture and not the media one:

U.S. official to Israel:
We'll deal with Syria, Iran after Iraq war

(from an Israeli newspaper that often
reveals more truth than US media)
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/263923.html


Monday, February 17, 2003 Adar1 15, 5763 Israel Time: 19:57 (GMT+2)

U.S. official to Israel:
We'll deal with Syria, Iran after Iraq war

By Aluf Benn and Sharon Sadeh, Haaretz Correspondents, Haaretz Service and Agencies

U.S. Undersec'y of State John Bolton
Syria and Iran are next.
(Photo: AP)

U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton said in meetings with Israeli officials on Monday that he has no doubt America will attack Iraq, and that it will be necessary to deal with threats from Syria, Iran and North Korea afterwards. (maybe not that last part... about North Korea... any time soon)

Bolton, who is undersecretary for arms control and international security, is in Israel for meetings about preventing the spread of weapons of mass destruction.

In a meeting with Bolton on Monday, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said that Israel is concerned about the security threat posed by Iran. It's important to deal with Iran even while American attention is turned toward Iraq, Sharon said.

Bolton also met with Foreign Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Housing and Construction Minister Natan Sharansky.

NOTE: Netanyahu and Sharansky along with Sharon are all well known for their avowal of the right of settlement and eventual claim to the West Bank and Gaza as part of Greater Israel -- although Sharon is currently lying that he is willing to enter into a peace process again after Iraq and other Arab nations are vanquished by the U.S. military. Is Bush such a fool, or does he know he is cooperating with these criminals?

[جوري]

and better still than talking is visiting those places first hand.. I have .. you should too!

:w:

[Jedi_Mindset]

and better still than talking is visiting those places first hand.. I have .. you should too!

:w:

Have you visited syria? If so it would be pleasure to hear the stories (smiles) But read my post, i've posted some info in there you might consider to read. On why US is supporting the rebels. They wanted to invade syria even before 9/11 and this is actually a fact. I know syria was a puppet government, but i think Assad has not done something right in their eyes, doesnt make him good, he is corrupt like hell. the Crypto-jews have a huge prescence in syrian government.

[جوري]

before the current mess.. they're alot like Egyptians and it is beautiful..

[Jedi_Mindset]

before the current mess.. they're alot like Egyptians and it is beautiful..

Ok so you have also seen the ground realities? I know majority of syrians dont support assad government. But my point is the United snakes of America wanted to invade it for a long time. Syria hasnt a US military base you know, every arab country has except syria and iran.

Anyone who cant see the NWO is blind. Its not about wether its good or bad, they just want that easy way to attack Iran.

[جوري]

Ok so you have also seen the ground realities? Did they suffer much under the oppression of bashar at first hand?

Yup, in the same way Egyptians suffer (as we've always been close to them) and as a result many leave to go abroad..
same nepotism, same economic problems, equal oppression of Muslims for the worst prisons there are for torture of Muslims are in in Egypt, Syria and Morocco.
You would lose your religion of it, if your faith emanates from a weak place and may Allah swt save us such tribulations.

:w:

[Jedi_Mindset]

Ameen

I hope Allah will save us from more tribulations, we are certainly in the end times.

Anyway:

s the United snakes of America wanted to invade it for a long time. Syria hasnt a US military base you know, every arab country has except syria and iran.

Anyone who cant see the NWO is blind. Its not about wether its good or bad, they just want that easy way to attack Iran. (its about full spectrum dominance)

all these wars, civil wars in the ME east are for israel and God Forbid they will succeed in to create the israel they want.

Thats the point i wanted to get all the time, but lol you couldnt understand me nor i couldnt understand you. It was just the way i expressed. I need a Facewall at the moment.

[Cabdullahi]

inshaAllah in a few years time i might look for a job in egypt, and then i can live a good life - eat ful for breakfast, ful for lunch, ful for just before i go to bed - have a ful drink.

inshaAllah

[جوري]

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