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anonymous
06-17-2012, 09:28 PM
I guess I can post now. Perhaps I was required to introduce myself first. Anyways, this is fairly old..about 1-2 yrs ago but it still troubles me and I have remained undecided and troubled about it.

My friend (female) who I was best friends with for 5-6 years turned out to be involved in a homosexual relationship with her friend. We cut off about two years ago due to various reasons and later I discovered that she got into a homosexual relationship with her new best friend. I could obviously not believe it and didn't want to either but I did my research to confirm.. I even have their pictures and other content (including conversations) which clearly prove the nature of their relationship. I have never told anyone about this since despite not being her friend anymore, I would never wish defame and harm upon her and being a girl, I know how fragile the element of honour and dignity is.

At times I was tempted to message her new best friend(partner) anonymously and educate her about the severity of consequences and amount of gunnah homosexuality evokes thinking maybe she's ignorant and doesn't have enough Islamic knowledge but I don't know her at all. I know my ex-best friend is aware of all the islamic knowledge regarding this issue based on my past interactions and observations since we were quite close.

Do you think it would be advisable to email the pictures etc to her elder sister (anonymously because my friend is very hostile and impolite, she will ensure to ruin my life in every way if she were to find out) so she could look into this matter herself? Now there are sme sides to this I'm confused about:
1) Maybe my act of emailing her the pictures would create differences/clashes/estrangement between the two sisters and even her whole family forever, thus, defaming my ex-friend for her entire life. She'll always be viewed in a negative light
2) It could turn out to be good for her as well

3) Important: I don't want to do this out of revenge. Although I wish no harm upon her I was abused and deeply hurt by her for years and suffered a lot. A part of me did want Allah to show her the wrongness of her treatment with me but I would never ever want to destroy someones life forever. To me, that is the greatest sin and I am afraid that in emailing her pictures to her sister could involve a bit of my own 'revenge' if you want to call it - unwillingly/unintentionally.

I only want to email her pictures for her betterment and only if I'm also becoming a part of this grave sin by hiding it from her family and letting it continue despite knowing the truth. As far as I know, I'm the only person besides the two involved who is aware of the nature of their relationship.

Should I take an action or let it be?

Thank you
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tigerkhan
06-18-2012, 02:58 AM
:sl:
in my opinion if u mail her pic to her sister or anyone else, that will be a very big mistake on ur part. if u see guidance of islam in that matter, i think islam stress more on honur of a muslim by not disclosing his/her sins. it has been said that dishonouring someone is more worse than interest and one who dishonour others, Allah SWT will dishonour him/her and he/she even dont know it.
now its good that u want to stop her from sining, but i think the u follow proper way for it. all we can do is naseeha/advice in soft tune, make dua for her and leave the matter to Allah SWT.
i think many of times we cross limits and influence someone life which we r not islamically supposed to.
Allah SWT give her guidance to repent.
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BlissfullyJaded
06-18-2012, 05:37 AM
It wouldn't be a good idea to tell the sister... You never really know how a person can react to something like that, especially when an outsider knows something this bad that they don't know about their sister. She's going to feel really betrayed, and she could very well act on emotions toward her sister instead of actually helping the girl. And anyway, the girl is Muslim? Chances are she knows that what she's doing is haraam, and it doesn't bother her. I'm presuming it's pretty hard to live a normal life in this day and age without having figured out that religion and homosexuality do not work together. :/
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IbnAbdulHakim
06-20-2012, 04:46 PM
Inform her mother/elder sister immediately, dont delay. Its their responsibility, not ours.


assalamu alaikum
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Snowflake
06-21-2012, 12:21 PM
I think TigerKhan said it perfectly.

Disclosing the girl's sins to her family will affect her for the rest of her life. Even if she were to repent, she'd have to live with the shame and knowledge that her family knows what she did. Exposing her sin could be worse than the sin she's doing. Telling her family won't automatically stop her from haram relationships either. She can if she wishes carry on in secret. My advice is to also destroy her pics, as they are of no help to you in the deen, duniya and akhirah. Shaytaan can give you a false sense of having power over her and tempt you to harm her by them. The sooner you get rid of them, the better.
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anonymous
06-22-2012, 12:55 PM
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Snowflake
06-22-2012, 01:35 PM
:sl:


It is reported that the Prophet (salallahu alayhi wassalam) has said:

Whosoever covers (the sins of) a Muslim, Allah covers (his sins) on the Day of Judgment. (Reported by Bukhari)

If we find it too difficult to keep it secret, the most we are allowed to do is discuss the issue with the person, in private, and try to encourage them to stop committing the sin(s). Allah has said:

The believers, men and women, are Auliyâ' (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another, they enjoin Al-Ma'rûf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm orders one to do), and they forbid (people) from Al-Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islâm has forbidden). (Quran, 71:9)


O you who believe! Avoid much suspicions, indeed some suspicions are sins. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting). And fear Allâh. Verily, Allâh is the One Who accepts repentance, Most Merciful. (Quran, 49:12)

But what if what we’re saying is really true?

Allah's Apostle :SAW: said:

Do you know what is backbiting? They (the Companions) said: Allah and His Apostle (peace be upon him) know best. Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Backbiting implies your talking about your brother in a manner which he does not like. It was said to him: What is your opinion about this that if I actually find (that weakness) in my brother which I made a mention of? He said: If (that weakness) is actually found (in him) what you assert, you in fact backbited him, and if that is not in him it is a slander. (Reported by Muslim)

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32560
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Hamza Asadullah
07-01-2012, 10:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by anonymous
I guess I can post now. Perhaps I was required to introduce myself first. Anyways, this is fairly old..about 1-2 yrs ago but it still troubles me and I have remained undecided and troubled about it.

My friend (female) who I was best friends with for 5-6 years turned out to be involved in a homosexual relationship with her friend. We cut off about two years ago due to various reasons and later I discovered that she got into a homosexual relationship with her new best friend. I could obviously not believe it and didn't want to either but I did my research to confirm.. I even have their pictures and other content (including conversations) which clearly prove the nature of their relationship. I have never told anyone about this since despite not being her friend anymore, I would never wish defame and harm upon her and being a girl, I know how fragile the element of honour and dignity is.

At times I was tempted to message her new best friend(partner) anonymously and educate her about the severity of consequences and amount of gunnah homosexuality evokes thinking maybe she's ignorant and doesn't have enough Islamic knowledge but I don't know her at all. I know my ex-best friend is aware of all the islamic knowledge regarding this issue based on my past interactions and observations since we were quite close.

Do you think it would be advisable to email the pictures etc to her elder sister (anonymously because my friend is very hostile and impolite, she will ensure to ruin my life in every way if she were to find out) so she could look into this matter herself? Now there are sme sides to this I'm confused about:
1) Maybe my act of emailing her the pictures would create differences/clashes/estrangement between the two sisters and even her whole family forever, thus, defaming my ex-friend for her entire life. She'll always be viewed in a negative light
2) It could turn out to be good for her as well

3) Important: I don't want to do this out of revenge. Although I wish no harm upon her I was abused and deeply hurt by her for years and suffered a lot. A part of me did want Allah to show her the wrongness of her treatment with me but I would never ever want to destroy someones life forever. To me, that is the greatest sin and I am afraid that in emailing her pictures to her sister could involve a bit of my own 'revenge' if you want to call it - unwillingly/unintentionally.

I only want to email her pictures for her betterment and only if I'm also becoming a part of this grave sin by hiding it from her family and letting it continue despite knowing the truth. As far as I know, I'm the only person besides the two involved who is aware of the nature of their relationship.

Should I take an action or let it be?

Thank you
:sl:

This is a difficult and sensative topic, but i am inclined towards advising you to tell her sister immediately. One cannot use the hadith about covering another Muslims sins in such situations because the girl is currently unmarried and is therefore still the responsibility of the parents particularly the father. So how can it be that such a thing is kept from her family because when it comes to getting her married off, then she may continue such an evil practise after marriage as many homosexal women and men still do even whilst married to their partners. When the partner does eventually find out they are obviously devastated and it can ruin lives and scar a person forvever.

You also mentioned that she already knows the Islamic stance on homosexuality, but obviously she has ignored it and has decided to follow her desires instead, therefore if the situation is left as it is, she will most likely continue practising such an evil and the only way to disturb this pattern of behaviour is to inform her sister first and see if she can do something to stop this. Her sister should try everything in her power to help her sister but she should also use wisdom and tact. She may want to take her to a behavorial specialist, Muslim counsellor etc to try and help her overcome this evil habit.

If after everything has been tried and she is still persisting in such a habit not then there is no choice but to tell the parents as they do have a right to know what their daughter is upto particularly if she persists in such a habit then they would be devastated to know that they were never informed. How would any of us as parents like it if we had a daughter who practised such an evil act but it was hidden from us? we would be devatated. Surely it is the responsibility of a parents to ensure the successful upbringing of a daughter until her marriage. But i think everything else should be tried before they are informed. Ensure that the sister does not react harshly but she must use wisdom and tact in this. Also make much dua for her and also tell her sister to do the same. I think it would be a good idea to also give dawah to her best friend so that she realises the gravity and consequances of indulging in such a sin. Maybe forward the following article to her and also put her in touch with a knowedgable sister who may be able to help her:


Dealing with Homosexual urges

Yasir Qadhi

Q: Shaykh, I have unnatural urges and feel attracted to members of the same gender. I don't know what to do about this, can you please give me some advice.

A:Bismillah, alhamdulillah, wa-l-salaat wa-l-salaam ala Rasulillah



I was actually asked the same question in Toronto, a few weeks ago. And while this is a very disturbing question to some people, it is something that needs to be mentioned and discussed publicly.

It is possible that some people have urges that are considered abnormal by others. Sometimes, from a religious perspective these urges would indeed be classified as abnormal. But simply having such urges does not justify acting upon them.

The issue of sexual orientation has raised a huge controversy in Western circles. People are still debating whether sexual orientation is decreed by what they call 'Nature', or by 'nurture'. And the reason for this debate is that there is a tendency to justify homosexual urges because, it is claimed, they are beyond one's control. So, some people say: “My sexual orientation is something Nature has decreed. It's in my DNA – my genes! So its not in my control whether I am attracted to the opposite gender or the same gender.”

Such discussion is happening in the backdrop of what has been termed the 'sexual revolution', which began in full force in the 60′s and, some would argue, is still continuing to this day. People are more open about topics of sexuality, morality levels have radically changed, and it has become acceptable to espouse what has been termed 'alternative life styles'. To give you just one example of how dramatic this revolution has been, many would be surprised to discover that even as recently as 50 years ago, Western culture viewed homosexuality with a very different lens. Up until 1973, homosexuality was actually classified as a mental disease in America.

In our religion, the discussion of whether these urges are because of 'Nature' or 'nurture' is really quite irrelevant. And by this I do not mean that we don't have an answer to this question. As Muslims, we believe that the fitrah that Allah created us upon is that, in terms of sexuality at least, opposites attract. But it is possible that some people have corrupted this fitrah themselves, or it has been corrupted by external methods. And it cannot even be ruled out that for some, the change in this fitrah is beyond their control.

But the point is – and that is why I say the question is irrelevant to the Shar'i ruling - even if somebody has such urges, it does not justify them acting upon it. Rather, what we can say to those who feel attracted to the same gender is that having such urges and conquering them is a part of the test Allah has given them. Each one of us is tried in different ways, and merely wanting to do an act is not justification enough to carry it out. Imagine if we were to open this door, and legitimize acting upon an urge merely because it existed!

And I firmly believe – and this is my theory, and it may be wrong -Â that the primary reason why we are seeing a rise in such unnatural inclinations is because of the proliferation of sexual images and the increasement of public sexuality around us. What this proliferation has done is to desensitize us to that which we should not be desensitized to. We are constantly bombarded with images of the most beautiful women and the most handsome men, and such images are a temptation to those of the opposite gender. Wherever we look, whether its TV, advertisements, magazines, the internet, or even simply strolling down a public road, we constantly see the most sexually charged images possible. Sexuality is always flaunted in our faces. And the proliferation of such overt sexuality desensitizes our normal sexuality. It is amazing that looking at a scantily clad gorgeous model in an advert hardly elicits any sexual arousal amongst people of our generation, whereas just a few decades ago that very image might have been banned in some Western countries, or at least never displayed in public.

Can you imagine (I know it's difficult to do so, but let us try!) growing up in a world where you have never seen an unrelated woman? Where you have never witnessed nudity? Where you have never gone through love affair after love affair? For the one who is raised in such a world, a person of 'average' beauty would be attractive to someone of the opposite gender.

This unnatural emphasis that our modern world has on external beauty is simply dangerous. Typically, when a person is looking for a spouse, such a person should feel an attraction to somebody of a similar background and culture and age. Such is the way that Allah created us – a man is attracted to the natural beauty of a woman. And that is why in the past, for thousands of years, our own fathers, and forefathers before them, did not emphasize external beauty to even a fraction of what we do, and yet it can be argued, merely by looking at their divorce rates, that their marriages were far more successful than ours. The whole emphasis on external beauty was simply unnatural to them. All of you know how your own parents and grandparents got married, and their grandparents before them. The groom comes, sees the bride, and, generally speaking, there is an attraction and the marriage takes place. Nowadays, on the other hand, the very notion of a pre-arranged marriage is a mockery that we would not subjugate ourselves to (and I am not suggesting here that we should – I'm merely pointing out how things have changed in just one generation). This emphasis that we have on 'beauty' and 'compatibility' is a very modern phenomenon. Of course I'm not suggesting that people in the past did not care about beauty, but what I am saying is that it was not anywhere near as emphasized as it is now. Also, since the generations before us were raised in environments where they were not subjected to the sight of sexual images everywhere, they would not compare their prospective spouses to the sensual images of world-famous models that have been seared into our heads as a result of our upbringing here. When we expect our spouses to look like the most beautiful/handsome people on Earth (and it must be pointed out that most pictures we see are not even real, having been digitally altered to look super-humanly sexy), this will only lead to trouble.

And so, when we have been bombarded with sexual images all the time, that which is naturally lustful loses its erotic nature. This then leads to being attracted to unnatural attractions. The bar for 'sexual titillation' rises higher and higher. It also explains certain sexual habits that are becoming more predominant between couples. While these habits might be halal and mubah in and of themselves, it does make us pause when we realize that people before us would disdain such practices and even consider some of them to be perverse. Once again, I reiterate that these practices might be halal, but the whole emphasis on sexual toys, sexual games, certain fetishes, and role playing, even between couples, is indicative of this sexually charged world we live in. While these matters are halal, it does show that we are not satisfied with what is natural. Our desires become increasingly insatiable.

And so this is why we are seeing an increase in many unnatural and perverse desires. Homosexuality is on the rise amongst non-Muslims, and now also amongst Muslims. A few weeks ago I was in Toronto, and the exact same question came up, where a brother wrote the exact same thing. And he said: “Shaykh, I can't help it. What advice do you give me? I can't help feeling attracted to other men. This is the way I am. And I'm battling it, and I'm embarrassed of it,” and he even said: “I don't even want to get married. The thought of getting married disgusts me”.

So, the question arises: what does a person who has such feelings do? As I've said, the fact that you have such feelings doesn't mean you act upon them. If Allah has tested you in this manner, then that is a part of your test and trial, and Allah says in the Qur'an, 'And Allah does not burden a soul with more than it can bear.' The claim that merely having an urge legitimizes it is extremely flimsy.

I say that I'm attracted to women. Does that legitimize going after every woman I'm attracted to? Of course not. We all have our desires and urges and we must all battle them. So if you experience urges that are unnatural, you must battle them, and without doubt Allah will reward you for that.

Another point to realize is that the urge, in and of itself, is not sinful. It is simply a desire, and desires are beyond our control, hence we are not accountable for them. But to allow such feelings to persist without trying to control them is problematic. In any case, the urge in and of itself is not sinful, acting on the urge is what incurs sin. As long as the desire remains in the realm of feeling, you are not accountable on the Day of Judgment, but the second that this desire is manifested in a physical action, you are liable for all that follows.

Lastly, even if you have acted upon this urge – and we seek Allah's refuge from this – know that this would constitute a sin. Yes, a major sin, and one that most people would be disgusted by, but realize that it is a sin alone and not kufr. Hence, even acting upon it and committing a major sin does not expel you from the fold of Islam. However, to stand up and justify it, or defend it, or write articles claiming that it is Islamic, without a doubt constitutes kufr, and not merely sin.

So, my dear brother who wrote this question – and you are my brother in Islam, even if you have such feelings – I want you to know that I sympathize with you, and I also appreciate your honesty and sincerity. I advise you to seek counseling, and to go to people who will understand your situation and who can direct you in a more specific manner. I understand as well that if you go to many of the typical imams of the masjids, they would not sympathize with your situation at all and would probably make matters worse for you. I understand that you cannot go to such people. But you will find sympathetic ears to listen to your problem, insha'Allah.

And remember that marriage is a solution, so you should seriously consider it. The Prophet Lut 'alayhis salam told his people, “These are my daughters, they are more pure for you.” Some scholars say that when he said “daughters”, he is also implying the women of the town and not just his own daughters. So he's telling the men of his community who were guilty of this crime to go and marry women, for they are better and purer for them. Marriage is a solution, because sensuality and sexuality is something that can be satisfied – rather it should be satisfied – by the opposite gender within the confines of marriage.

Try to repel these urges, do not act upon them, take immediate steps to get married, and throughout all of this, put your trust in Allah and continue making du'a to Him, and I pray that Allah makes your situation easy for you and blesses you in this life and the next.

Source:http://muslimmatters.org/2009/04/13/...osexual-urges/
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