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Imaduddin
06-23-2012, 02:31 PM
Assalamu alaykum everyone.

I have a question for the brothers but I do not know if I am allowed to post questions like this, so if the thread gets deleted then I understand. But I will say what I want to and if it doesn't get closed then Alhamdulilah.

Do you ever think about the Khilafa? Have you ever wanted it back, what do you plan on doing with your life, time and resources to see the Khilafa back?

I have been troubled for many years with these kinds of thoughts, it kills me to hear about the suffering which the Palestinians and Syrians are going through. On the day of Judgement all those women and little kids will cry before Allah complaining about being abandoned and not having been protected. And instead were killed and maimed by the Kuffar. I fear the Day of Judgement because of that, what could I possibly say to Allah as an excuse, and how could I not be deserving of Hell when I have no compassion for those who are being tortured and oppressed? By compassion I don't mean sitting at home half a world away and feeling sorry for 5 minutes and then getting on with life, by compassion I mean going there to help them. We can help them, we have the means, and when you have the ability and the means it becomes obligatory to obey the commands of Allah.

The Sahaba loved death, Khalid bin Waleed is quoted as having said "I love it more when I am in the battlefield than when I am in my house", he even became upset during when in his death bead saying that why couldn't he die a Martyr. Another man, Abdullah bin Mubarak, used to go to Jihad for one year and then go to hajj the next year, he continually did this. Why do we chase after the Dunya when people have been chasing after it for thousands of years and have not achieved nothing. Isn't it about time that we as Muslim turn our backs on the Dunya and chase Paradise and the rewards of Allah?

Do you ever wish that Muslim just woke up one day and from all over the world flocked to the Muslim lands and just became one army who would take care of the oppressed? Do you ever think about that? If you do and plan on joining that group, what prevents you from taking the first steps? Someone has to take the first step, why do we all wait for someone else to go first. Do you ever plan on being that someone who takes the first steps?

Let me sum up all of that into one sentence:

Would you go to Jihad tomorrow if someone made the call for it?

Any thoughts?
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aadil77
06-23-2012, 04:08 PM
Its only natural to have these feelings but its best to be careful what we express on the web
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IbnAbdulHakim
06-23-2012, 04:09 PM
when the time comes, it will come and we have to prepare our hearts. So lets do what we can now :)
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Hulk
06-23-2012, 04:22 PM
It is important to have knowledge before doing any action, something many seem to ignore nowadays.
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Imaduddin
06-24-2012, 03:50 PM
Originally Posted by aadil77
Its only natural to have these feelings but its best to be careful what we express on the web
Could you please explain a little further what you mean brother?

Are you saying that I'm gonna have the government over my neck over it and I'm gonna be labeled a terrorist?
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Imaduddin
06-24-2012, 03:52 PM
Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
when the time comes, it will come and we have to prepare our hearts. So lets do what we can now :)
By 'time' do you mean when the Mahdi appears?
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Imaduddin
06-24-2012, 03:54 PM
Originally Posted by Hulk
It is important to have knowledge before doing any action, something many seem to ignore nowadays.
That is very true, we all consider ourselves knowledgeable and issue our own fatwas as we see fit based on our whims and desires.
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Abz2000
06-24-2012, 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by Imaduddin
Could you please explain a little further what you mean brother?

Are you saying that I'm gonna have the government over my neck over it and I'm gonna be labeled a terrorist?
brother, it is not just about courage, sometimes it's possible to do more by thinking and acting, not much will get done by all the brothers just blurting it out online, even if they don't get labelled openly, the databases remain.

that is not to say we shouldn't encourage each other to do good and strive in God's cause, indeed it is necessary to keep morale high, and not let the cowardly instinct overtake our jama'ah, but Allah has given us the wisdom to be subtle, so i think it is wise to excercise that when possible.

even the word "jihad" get's misinterpreted and labelled in so many different ways. despite it meaning "striving", people have been falsely conditioned to see wild images of sucd bmbrs and turbans and beheadings of any random infidel.
so while we definitely should remove the misconceptions, we can also just use the english term once in a while in order to avoid being "misunderstood"?
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Imaduddin
06-24-2012, 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by Abz2000
brother, it is not just about courage, sometimes it's possible to do more by thinking and acting, not much will get done by all the brothers just blurting it out online, even if they don't get labelled openly, the databases remain.

that is not to say we shouldn't encourage each other to do good and strive in God's cause, indeed it is necessary to keep morale high, and not let the cowardly instinct overtake our jama'ah, but Allah has given us the wisdom to be subtle, so i think it is wise to excercise that when possible.
I understand your point, but all I have seen is a lot of thinking and talking and very little action. Palestinians have been suffering for over 50 years, that's more than I have been alive for, there's over a billion of us, we all talk about it, but it is embarrassing to mention that only a very few are taking action.

No one talks about Jihad, I don't understand why people are afraid of it, it is just as important as any other duty. There are in this forum alone, hundreds if not thousand of threads on praying, and fasting and dhikr etc, why do we leave Jihad behind?

If calling people to help the oppressed in Syria and Palestine equates to terrorism, then let me be the first of the pack and declare myself a terrorist.

I don't want to tell anyone to go to Jihad, I am just asking a question if anyone would. What if the Mahdi appears tomorrow, are we not going to join him because the US and it's ally terrorists will dislike it and call us terrorists? Where do we draw the line?

Note: this is just a discussion, I don't want to give anyone any wrong ideas, I just want to speak about a topic that no one hardly ever speaks about.
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Abz2000
06-24-2012, 04:24 PM
you're correct in that there is no real line,
one minute we're fundamentalists, the next, the great mujahideen in afghanistan making the soviets bleed, and another, we're "insurgents" in iraq.


i believe ur correct that we shouldn't be afraid to speak the truth and strengthen each other, otherwise we fail without a single shot fired - since they would have neutralized us psychologically.


i believe we should make hijrah when able, support the cause of Allah, and strive in His cause to our utmost, while continuing to seek knowledge and guidance, and we should also be careful not to fall into any malicious snares where we're used as proxies by our enemies in order to commit un-islamic acts which are used to vilify Islam.


8 . Their intention is to extinguish Allah.s Light (by blowing) with their mouths:
But Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Disbelievers may detest (it).

9 . It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth,
that he may proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).

10 . O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?-

11 . That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah,

with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew!

12 . He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow,
and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement.

13 . And another (favour will He bestow,) which ye do love,- help from Allah and a speedy victory.
So give the Glad Tidings to the Believers.

14 . O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah. As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples,
"Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah." Said the disciples, "We are Allah's helpers!"
then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved:
But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.
Quran 61:8-14
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IbnAbdulHakim
06-24-2012, 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by Imaduddin
By 'time' do you mean when the Mahdi appears?
good question :)
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introspective
06-26-2012, 03:36 PM
Could we use change.org?:unsure:
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Pygoscelis
06-27-2012, 06:32 PM
Originally Posted by Imaduddin
I understand your point, but all I have seen is a lot of thinking and talking and very little action. Palestinians have been suffering for over 50 years, that's more than I have been alive for, there's over a billion of us, we all talk about it, but it is embarrassing to mention that only a very few are taking action.

No one talks about Jihad, I don't understand why people are afraid of it, it is just as important as any other duty. There are in this forum alone, hundreds if not thousand of threads on praying, and fasting and dhikr etc, why do we leave Jihad behind?
Why the need to dress it up in religion? There are many of us non-muslims who support freedom of the oppressed, including those in Palestine that you refer to. You could get a lot of us on your side. But when you phrase things as you are, and talk about jihad by muslims against the world, etc it makes us non-muslims more weary of you than wanting to join forces with you towards this common goal. It is a really big missed opportunity. Not all Kafir support the neo-cons.

And why play into stereotypes by calling yourself a terrorist or even suggesting such a thing? Why not just say that opression needs to end and you will stand for it no longer, show the oppression you speak of, and call for all human beings to oppose it, based on simple empathy?

And then don't stop there. May I assume you oppose oppression across the globe and not just when it is done to muslims? Let's fight it everywhere no matter who is doing it or having it done to them.
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IbnAbdulHakim
06-27-2012, 07:36 PM
^ get you on the side of the muslims... you would support the muslim people even if it meant them rising to power and implementing the islamic law? thats really nice if u mean it :)
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Pygoscelis
06-27-2012, 09:03 PM
Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
^ get you on the side of the muslims... you would support the muslim people even if it meant them rising to power and implementing the islamic law? thats really nice if u mean it :)
So long as it isn't forced on non-muslims, sure, absolutely.
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IbnAbdulHakim
06-27-2012, 10:18 PM
Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
So long as it isn't forced on non-muslims, sure, absolutely.
no true muslim will force, dont worry. Our prophet saws didnt force the treacherous banu qurayzah, we take his example :)
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Imaduddin
06-28-2012, 12:05 PM
Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
Why the need to dress it up in religion? There are many of us non-muslims who support freedom of the oppressed, including those in Palestine that you refer to. You could get a lot of us on your side. But when you phrase things as you are, and talk about jihad by muslims against the world, etc it makes us non-muslims more weary of you than wanting to join forces with you towards this common goal. It is a really big missed opportunity. Not all Kafir support the neo-cons.
Everything that a Muslim does is based on the Qur'an and Sunnah. Islam has rules of combat, so I am not dressing it up in religion, it is part of my religion.


I did not say that there aren't any non-Muslims who are against oppression, and coming to 'my' side is not an option. What I may deem to be good which has to be based on the teachings of Islam, you may not and vice versa. And I never made the claim that Muslims should rise in Jihad against the world. I only mentioned Palestine and Syria.


And why play into stereotypes by calling yourself a terrorist or even suggesting such a thing? Why not just say that opression needs to end and you will stand for it no longer, show the oppression you speak of, and call for all human beings to oppose it, based on simple empathy?
The Palestinians have been calling humanity for help on the grounds of empathy for over 50 years. How old are you, where were you yesterday or 5 years ago or 15 years ago? But when Muslims decide to do something about it on religious grounds, then we should consider non-Muslims who want to help, tell you what, you gather all those non-Muslims who want freedom for Palestine and go help them, I'll wait and see how far you are going to get.

And then don't stop there. May I assume you oppose oppression across the globe and not just when it is done to muslims? Let's fight it everywhere no matter who is doing it or having it done to them.
I agree, I condemn the crimes against humanity that Great Britain committed with it's invasions, so too the invasions and oppression that the US is committing in the name of freedom.

Do you agree with my latter view?
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Jalal~
07-05-2012, 10:49 AM
lets just make one of those Joseph Kony type documentaries. We'll get billions of views on youtube, and this time, we wont hide any information like the guy did in his video.
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