PDA

View Full Version : Sick and tired of BBC Syrian Propaganda !



TruthLogic
06-25-2012, 06:03 PM
For any one who thinks that the british broadcasting corporation is fair and balanced should book a one way ticket too disney land ,


The BBC are the world leaders in modern day propaganda*
And during the time of war the bias , propaganda , underreporting , blatant lies. Half truths are magnified ,

During the arab uprising the BBC have chosen too use the "estimated / exgraggrated death count to promote there anti Syrian propaganda , at the same time ignoring the amount of people killed in friendly dictator countries ,

Proof of BBC Syrian propaganda:

In Syria the BBC have repeatedly uptoo 5 times a day created stories about Syria were they have given the "total" amount of people killed since the start,

At the same time they have Ignored the total number of people killed in places like Libya and Yemen ,

In Yemen were the BBC does have a presence *the reporting as been pro regime , last year in April 2011 the BBC gave it's final report on Yemen were it gave the number of people killed in total , in April 2011 the BBC managed to count too 100 the number of people murdered , every report after that date gave no numbers and only sometimes used vague language such as " hundreds have been killed "

In Libya the reporting has followed a similar pattern after the NATO bombs started Too fall the BBC also stopped counting the total *number killed .*

The source of the news has also never been calles into question and in each BBC Syrian report has been used as fact ,

The BBC has only used to sources of information 1.*Syrian Observatory for Human Rights*
Or 2. The UN ( who also use*Syrian Observatory for Human Rights £


The London based observatory is more or less a one man operation , which has in the past proven too be unreliable as it has given conflicting accounts ,

It is also a mystery on how the *Syrian Observatory for Human Rights gets it's information , yet the bias BBC use it's figures on a daily basis*

*( the bbc also ignore / refuse to give the total amount of people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan )


Allah be with all the Muslims of Syria*
Ammen.
Reply

Login/Register to hide ads. Scroll down for more posts
جوري
06-25-2012, 06:45 PM
how much death is appropriate and how much is exaggerated in your opinion? When the life of just one Muslim is more important to Allah swt than Kaaba.
There's no going back to the former state of inertia whether the reporting is honest & truthful or concocted .. the revolt has swept and soon to sweep the entire Muslim world who have had it.. Israel and the U.S can't control the mind of every single person that takes to the street if this is what the counter propagandists are proposing. If only a handful of people were upset with a regime it would be easier to nip in the bud by these otherwise 'just' or benevolent dictatorships.
The fact is Amero/Israeli interests lie in having the same regime which is what happened in Yemen and I think they're waking up to feeling duped.
The last weapon of the Amero/zion weapon is to make you believe that they're behind those revolts so they'd stop, so they can have their former grip.
It doesn't please them for instance to have the brotherhood take control of a country like Egypt.
Be that as it may I am curious those who are so pro current regimes, as to exactly what they'd like to see happen and for how long?
Almost like promoting slavery..
Reply

Cabdullahi
06-25-2012, 06:52 PM
Media Tags are no longer supported


Propaganda or not bashar is a blood sucking monster....ask the kids with brain matter trickling out of their crushed skulls
Reply

TruthLogic
06-25-2012, 11:47 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
how much death is appropriate and how much is exaggerated in your opinion?
No amount of death is appropriate , the muder of one PERSON is like the murder of all of humanity ,

The amount reported too be killed is a obvious

hen the life of just one Muslim is more important to Allah swt than Kaaba.
There's no going back to the former state of inertia whether the reporting is honest & truthful or concocted .. the revolt has swept and soon to sweep the entire Muslim world who have had it.. Israel and the U.S can't control the mind of every single person that takes to the street if this is what the counter propagandists are proposing. If only a handful of people were upset with a regime it would be easier to nip in the bud by these otherwise 'just' or benevolent dictatorships.
The fact is Amero/Israeli interests lie in having the same regime which is what happened in Yemen and I think they're waking up to feeling duped.
The last weapon of the Amero/zion weapon is to make you believe that they're behind those revolts so they'd stop, so they can have their former grip.
It doesn't please them for instance to have the brotherhood take control of a country like Egypt.
Be that as it may I am curious those who are so pro current regimes, as to exactly what they'd like to see happen and for how long?
Almost like promoting slavery..[/QUOTE]

No amount of death is ap
Reply

Welcome, Guest!
Hey there! Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.

When you create an account, you can participate in the discussions and share your thoughts. You also get notifications, here and via email, whenever new posts are made. And you can like posts and make new friends.
Sign Up
TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 12:33 AM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
how much death is appropriate and how much is exaggerated in your opinion?
No amount of death is appropriate , the muder of one PERSON is like the murder of all of humanity ,

The amount reported too be killed is a obviously exaggerated, my eariler post covers some of the reasons,


Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
When the life of just one Muslim is more important to Allah swt than Kaaba.
forgive me for my ignorance thats a very STRANGE THING YOU HAVE JUST SAID,
were did you get it from??

Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
It doesn't please them for instance to have the brotherhood take control of a country like Egypt.
incorrect !! the USA IS VERY HAPPY WITH THE BROTHER HOOD, ONE WOULD ACTULAY SAY THE USA HAS BACKED THE BROTHERHOOD , In the Geo politcal sense all the evidence points too this,
1, the brotherhood has not kicked out the IMF
2, the Gaza Blockde is actualy more tight
3, the USA is talking too the brother hood, ( normaly people they are NOT fond off find them selkves undersanctions etc

Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
Be that as it may I am curious those who are so pro current regimes, as to exactly what they'd like to see happen and for how long?
Almost like promoting slavery..
i am not pro regime , as a muslim i know its the one who leads pray leads polticaly,

please dont give me that the rebles/cia, mossad backed mercenries / alqueda are fighting for freedom or democracy?!

the people have been under sanctions "upressed" the satanic west for decades!

the rebels are clearly agents of the west, you are aware the USA has used these EXACT same methods ( DEATH SQUADS / GANGS ) TO bring down governments in south america?
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 12:37 AM
Originally Posted by Cbdullahii

Propaganda or not bashar is a blood sucking monster....ask the kids with brain matter trickling out of their crushed skulls
ina lila wainali rajahuun.

please give warning of graphic deatail


i find it more Logical too think that the death sqauds hired by the gangsters Saud Family and mass murders NATO have more too Gain from Killing these kids, than the National Syrian Army who may have family and relatives living in these areas of conflict
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 12:41 AM
nope.. as one Syrian put it today:
ان شاء الله نحن المجاهدين الاحرار السورين احفاد خالد وصلاح الدين راح نحرر سوريا من الطاغية بشار واعوانه من المجوس والله لانخاف من الموت
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 12:48 AM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
No amount of death is appropriate , the muder of one PERSON is like the murder of all of humanity ,

The amount reported too be killed is a obviously exaggerated, my eariler post covers some of the reasons,
You know the death is exaggerated because? your reasons are not factual




forgive me for my ignorance thats a very STRANGE THING YOU HAVE JUST SAID,
were did you get it from??
Are you Muslim? this is common knowledge. “The Blood of a Muslim is worth more than the Ka’aba.”
(Sunan Ibn Majah; Silsilah El Saheehah: hadith #3420;

In the Targhib wa’ l-Tarhib of Imam al-Mundhiri, 3/276 it has the following hadith from `Abd Allah ibn `Amr ibn al-`As (Allah be well pleased with him) that he said:

“I saw the Messenger of Allah (saw) performing tawaf around the Holy Ka`ba saying to it: ‘how pure and good you are! how pure and good your fragrance is! how great and exalted you are! and how great and exalted your sanctity is! But by Him in Whose hand is Muhammad’s soul, the sanctity of a believer’s blood and property in the sight of Allah is greater than your sanctity!’“





incorrect !! the USA IS VERY HAPPY WITH THE BROTHER HOOD, ONE WOULD ACTULAY SAY THE USA HAS BACKED THE BROTHERHOOD , In the Geo politcal sense all the evidence points too this,
1, the brotherhood has not kicked out the IMF
2, the Gaza Blockde is actualy more tight
3, the USA is talking too the brother hood, ( normaly people they are NOT fond off find them selkves undersanctions etc
No, You're the one who is incorrect and know jack including of the religion as I demonstrated above with the hadith!



i am not pro regime , as a muslim i know its the one who leads pray leads polticaly,
What kind of Muslim did you say you were?

please dont give me that the rebles/cia, mossad backed mercenries / alqueda are fighting for freedom or democracy?!

the people have been under sanctions "upressed" the satanic west for decades!

the rebels are clearly agents of the west, you are aware the USA has used these EXACT same methods ( DEATH SQUADS / GANGS ) TO bring down governments in south america?
What is with the psycho babble?

best
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
nope.. as one Syrian put it today:
ان شاء الله نحن المجاهدين الاحرار السورين احفاد خالد وصلاح الدين راح نحرر سوريا من الطاغية بشار واعوانه من المجوس والله لانخاف من الموت
the rebels are nato backed , and even worse Saudi backed,

lets NOT forget the command from Allah swt , as he warns that any one using these kaffirs as protector is a kaffir also,



aby way please tell me why you said this?


When the life of just one Muslim is more important to Allah swt than Kaaba
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 12:54 AM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
the rebels are nato backed , and even worse Saudi backed,

lets NOT forget the command from Allah swt , as he warns that any one using these kaffirs as protector is a kaffir also,



aby way please tell me why you said this?


When the life of just one Muslim is more important to Allah swt than Kaaba
Are you shiite or what? Are you familiar with hadiths? I don't care for Saudi backed at least they're sunni. I do care however for safavid Persian backed, for what is worst than a kaffir save for a hypocrite?
Go study religion a little familiarize yourself with hadith and maybe basic history and geography..

best,
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 01:14 AM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
You know the death is exaggerated because? your reasons are not factual
all the reasons i gave were factual, if they were not and could be refuted you would have picked apart my opening statment,,,,
clearly the BBC and the LonDOn syrian Obsevotry are giving HYPE! BIAS , Propaganda!

any muslim will know the BBC is far from fair and balanced,

Like i said earlier any one thinking we are gettin correct reports from the mainstream media needs a one way ticket too disney land, ( shall i book you one ? )

or will you care too tell us why these reports are reliable?

Originally Posted by منوة الخيال

Are you Muslim? this is common knowledge. “The Blood of a Muslim is worth more than the Ka’aba.”
(Sunan Ibn Majah; Silsilah El Saheehah: hadith #3420;
no i had not memorised this haidth or know about it,

I only mentioed what the Quran said about killing one person is like killing the whole of humanity,


Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
one who is incorrect and know jack including of the religion as I demonstrated above with the hadith!
yes i was not aware of that Haidth, however i do also know that if the Kabba was destoyedwe would carry on facing tha way too pray and it would not change anything,

HOWEVER YOUR ATTITUDE when talking about ISLAM has some issues, normaly when i use a scripture is not follwed by slurs,



What kind of Muslim did you say you were?


Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 01:20 AM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
all the reasons i gave were factual, if they were not and could be refuted you would have picked apart my opening statment,,,,
clearly the BBC and the LonDOn syrian Obsevotry are giving HYPE! BIAS , Propaganda!

any muslim will know the BBC is far from fair and balanced,

Like i said earlier any one thinking we are gettin correct reports from the mainstream media needs a one way ticket too disney land, ( shall i book you one ? )

or will you care too tell us why these reports are reliable?
Bias propaganda is a two way stream, except the videos on youtube straight out of Syria are quite unassailable, or where do you get yours? I actually have a clue..

no i had not memorised this haidth or know about it
How unfortunate to speak then with such deficiency as if an authority.

I only mentioed what the Quran said about killing one person is like killing the whole of humanity,
And yet in the same breath you'd deem the current death of civilians at the hands of Alwait pigs and shia communist sponsored regime propaganda -- you're not making much of a case for a balanced view.




yes i was not aware of that Haidth, however i do also know that if the Kabba was destoyedwe would carry on facing tha way too pray and it would not change anything,
That's irrelevant to the topic and to your lack of knowledge of what should be common knowledge to the average Muslim.

HOWEVER YOUR ATTITUDE when talking about ISLAM has some issues, normaly when i use a scripture is not follwed by slurs,



Oh, what do you call this?

best,
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 01:32 AM
[QUOTE=TruthLogic;1528005]No amount of death is appropriate , the muder of one PERSON is like the murder of all of humanity ,

The amount reported too be killed is a obvious


Originally Posted by منوة الخيال

Are you shiite or what? Are you familiar with hadiths? I don't care for Saudi backed at least they're sunni. I do care however for safavid Persian backed, for what is worst than a kaffir save for a hypocrite?
Go study religion a little familiarize yourself with hadith and maybe basic history and geography..

best,
No I am not Shia
And no I don't know all the sayings of the hadiths I do y think any one knows them all ,

HOWEVER we and I do have the Quran :

And in the Quran we have clear warnings not too have any sort of alliance with NATO who represent the Christian juedo / satanists !!
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 01:39 AM
Hmmmmmmmmmmm


What a strange comment !

I have never heard a Muslim reffer too Syria as Pigs and communists ??

Let me clarify !

The kaffir NATO satanists are about to BOMB INVADE yet another muslim country ( Syria ) and your callings the syrians Pigs and communists ?

You are aware that alqueda are part of the rebels ?
You are aware that Saudi are funding the rebels ?
You are aware that NATO is arming the rebels ?

Yes or no ?
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 01:39 AM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic

HOWEVER we and I do have the Quran :

And in the Quran we have clear warnings not too have any sort of alliance with NATO who represent the Christian juedo / satanists !!
The Quran also warns against shia.. have you read it?

[LEFT]Sahih International
Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only
to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do.

Al-An'am (The Cattle) [6:159] [RECITE]
[top] [next match]
Inna allatheena farraqoo deenahum wakanoo shiyaAAan lasta minhum fee shayin innama amruhum ila Allahi thumma yunabbiohum bima kanoo yafAAaloona
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 01:43 AM
Yes the Shia do have some issues namely cracking heads open on swords ( usually their own )

What on EARTH does that got too do with what WE have been discussing ?
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 01:47 AM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Yes the Shia do have some issues namely cracking heads open on swords ( usually their own )

What on EARTH does that got too do with what WE have been discussing ?
for starters that is who the governing body of syria is and that is who is running the air force to slaughter the sunni majority.. so there's a good lead for you.. you can do it, you can get there.. little by little you'll understand what's up, why folks are outraged, as bad as daily slaughter is your brand of ethics..

all the best
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 01:54 AM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
for starters that is who the governing body of syria is and that is who is running the air force to slaughter the sunni majority.. so there's a good lead for you.. you can do it, you can get there.. little by little you'll understand what's up, why folks are outraged, as bad as daily slaughter is your brand of ethics..

all the best
NO !
from looking into history and geo Politics

It's very obvious Too all believes and slaves of Allah , that the current situation is a satanic ploy to destroy Syria paving the way for zionists domination of the middle east !

Fact is :
Syria is the most diverse and tolerant nation on planet ( or was any way )

The rebels/ alqueda were the FIRST too kill on a mass scale when they killed 200 policemen in Homs ?!

Syria has apposed zionism

Syria has been under sanctions by the satanists !

It's obvious Assad was NOT playing puppet and now nato will kill a few more hundred thousand muslims ! ?
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 02:00 AM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
NO !
from looking into history and geo Politics

It's very obvious Too all believes and slaves of Allah , that the current situation is a satanic ploy to destroy Syria paving the way for zionists domination of the middle east !
NO, they're not believers in God.. google Alwaite beliefs and become a scholar in the field!

Fact is :
Syria is the most diverse and tolerant nation on planet ( or was any way )
lol.. clearly you've not visited a syrian prison specifically made for Muslim torture.

The rebels/ alqueda were the FIRST too kill on a mass scale when they killed 200 policemen in Homs ?!
Honestly, you tickle me.. in fact before the current Alwaite pig went on a killing rampage his Alwaite pig father before him eradicated 20,000 civillians and instated an air force composed entirely of Alwaite pigs.. in shaa Allah the rebels will take control of the air force soon as there have already been defectors.

Syria has apposed zionism
Sure sure.. you should ask them then why they didn't oppose zionists from taking a chunk of Syria.

Syria has been under sanctions by the satanists !
May Allah swt rid us of bashar and his pigs soon ameen

It's obvious Assad was NOT playing puppet and now nato will kill a few more hundred thousand muslims ! ?
Denial is a good coping mechanism ..

best,
Reply

Abz2000
06-26-2012, 02:23 AM
it is clear some people have made up their minds to ally with the proclaimed enemies of islam and forerunners of dajjal in the washington, and they have even said that they are better than what's in syria atmo, though it is clear Assad is not yet a true Muslim ruler, he at least has refused to bow and grovel to colonialists. some seem to think that since the situation is bad, they might as well go in the opposite direction rather than come back towards Allah and His messenger. Allah knows their hearts best, but they are with the losing team.

Consider those to whom a portion of the Scriptures was given.
They believe in idols and false gods and say of the infidels: ‘These are better guided than the believers'" (4:...51).

Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah. (3:28).

They hope to establish a violent political utopia across the Middle East, which they call caliphate, where all would be ruled according to their hateful ideology.


SEPTEMBER 5, 2006
WASHINGTON, D.C.
SPEAKER: GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

They demand the elimination of Israel; the withdrawal of all Westerners from Muslim countries, irrespective of the wishes of people and government; the establishment of effectively Taleban states and Sharia law in the Arab world en route to one caliphate of all Muslim nations. We don't have to wonder what type of country those states would be.
Tony Blair - while Prime minister of Britain

What we are confronting here is an evil ideology.
It is not a clash of civilisations - all civilised people, Muslim or other, feel revulsion at it. But it is a global struggle and it is a battle of ideas, hearts and minds, both within Islam and outside it.
This is the battle that must be won, a battle not just about the terrorist methods but their views. Not just their barbaric acts, but their barbaric ideas. Not only what they do but what they think and the thinking they would impose on others.
Tony Blair - while Prime minister of Britain



"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people. They will spare no pains to corrupt you. They desire nothing but your ruin. Their hatred is evident from what they utter with their mouths, but greater is the hatred which their breasts conceal" (3:118).


"Believers, if you yield to the infidels they will drag you back to unbelief and you will return headlong to perdition. . . .We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. . . . The Fire shall be their home" (3:149-51).





Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
Sure sure.. you should ask them then why they didn't oppose zionists from taking a chunk of Syria.
actually my dear sister, they're one of the only governments that have.
since the 6 day war, when the zionists with the help of the u.s and nato stole land and butchers thousands, most of the leaders in the arab world either sold out totally - or stayed quiet, it is only recently that a few have been vocal, gadaffi was one, assad was another,
and both of these have supported and assisted palestinian resistance groups, which is not something you can say for the majority of the governments now breathing down the neck of Syria.

you speak as if it's a walk in the park, but it isn't and i believe only a united Islamic front will be able to uphold that sort of front as help comes from Allah to the believers.
the reason why syria didn't restore peace with israel was because of golan heights, and the zionists have been twisting arms for a while now to get an invasion of syria in the pipeline.

don't get me wrong - Allah's plan will prevail, but He has given clear guidance on who's help to seek in these situations.
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 02:27 AM
Originally Posted by Abz2000
it is clear some people have made up their minds to ally with the proclaimed enemies of islam and forerunners of dajjal in the washington,
It is clear some people have made up their minds to ally with proclaimed enemies of Islam foreunners of Dajjal in Persia and kowtow to despotic murderous regime..
I'd not bore you with videos.
good luck with your campaigns while syrians continue to pay with blood!
Reply

Abz2000
06-26-2012, 02:37 AM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
good luck with your campaigns while syrians continue to pay with blood!
good luck with yours, as i'm certain i'd face you from the opposite side if ur still with with nato and haven't repented when it happens.

may Allah guide you,
and you have no need to respond or to injure with ur sharp tongue,
i am leaving this board now.
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 02:43 AM
Originally Posted by Abz2000
good luck with yours, as i'm certain i'd face you from the opposite side if ur still with with nato and haven't repented when it happens.
5:28- Even if thou stretch out thy hand against me to kill me, I shall not stretch my hand against thee to kill thee, lo! For I do fear Allah the cherisher of the worlds.
Reply

Cabdullahi
06-26-2012, 02:55 AM
Let's put things into context, what is happening in Syria is the ethnic cleansing of the sunni muslims. Syria is supported by Iran and Lebanon's Hezbollah - soldiers from both countries are in Syria.

The alawis are actually nusayris.They believe that Ali is Allah, in other words they are mushriks according to their beliefs and that includes Mr not-a-good-muslim-leader-yet bashar al kalb.

The nusayris give god status to any leader who rules the country - you can check youtube and hear syrian nusayris saying they worship bashar al kalb.

Why are the Gulf countries helping the FSA - is it because of religious reasons and that they feel they need to help their fellow muslim brothers. The answer is NO.

The Gulf countries fear Iran and Syria because of the fairytales they are being fed by the big boys America and Britain. What they're essentially saying is Iran a shiite country can become a super power in the region and therefore no more Gulf countries...no more enjoyment for the fat sheikhs.

The Gulf countries want to stifle any shia influence within the region.

'Terror squads kill innocent syrians' is what bashar and co are saying, but most of these syrians are being shelled by airplanes and helicopters.These fighter jets and helicopters belong to the syrian army.

Why are the western countries funding the FSA, if it is true that they are? Money is to be made from choas and they have their own agendas.

Bashar Al kalb is evil, the US is evil, the Shia scholar who says umar ibn Al khattab liked homosexual sex is evil, Iran is evil.

Any ruler who has ruled for decades and starves his people is evil.

They're all evil.
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 03:05 AM
Originally Posted by Cbdullahii
Let's put things into context, what is happening in Syria is the ethnic cleansing of the sunni muslims. Syria is supported by Iran and Lebanon's Hezbollah - soldiers from both countries are in Syria.
The alawis are actually nusayris.They believe that Ali is Allah in other words they are mushriks according to their beliefs and that includes Mr not-a-good-muslim-leader-yet bashar al kalb.
I am not liking your post simply to share in a clique that seems to be going on in this forum wherby only one opinion seems to dominate and God forbid you should oppose it with some common known facts- you're then qualified as everything from a NATO ally to a dajjal supporter.
There's nothing at all you can do to take the blinders off.. hundreds of death daily, is a delusion, and if not a delusion then it is they who die who are actually made out to be the bad guy. Is it any wonder that the Syrians truly believe there's no one out there for them. When Egyptians faces the same plight to bring an upright nation and in fact through their blood and tears manage to do just that, then the brotherhood which has spent a span of 80 years practically since its inception in prisons as the natural choice of NATO.
There's something quite simple going on here, and that's an equal force of intimidation, bullying and propaganda created by Iran as is created by NATO, and some are foolish enough to concede to the fact that it doesn't matter a united persian empire so long as it isn't NATO even if this sort of ethnic cleansing of sunnis is some of the deadliest, most viscious and most ideologically corrupt.. Hey if the bear the label of Islam, then that's all that matters..
and now please let me cancel my account for not having my opinion accepted as truth!

:w:
Reply

Cabdullahi
06-26-2012, 03:08 AM


Go to 1.26 on the video.
Reply

Cabdullahi
06-26-2012, 03:17 AM


People don't protest for nothing, these people couldn't practice their religion for 20 plus years.
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 10:46 AM
Originally Posted by Cbdullahii
[vid]htt=jPyCbf6WWHA[/video]

People don't protest for nothing, these people couldn't practice their religion for 20 plus years.

Who couldn't practice their relgion ?
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 10:54 AM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
NO, they're not believers in God.. google Alwaite beliefs and become a scholar in the field!

lol.. clearly you've not visited a syrian prison specifically made for Muslim torture.

Honestly, you tickle me.. in fact before the current Alwaite pig went on a killing rampage his Alwaite pig father before him eradicated 20,000 civillians and instated an air force composed entirely of Alwaite pigs.. in shaa Allah the rebels will take control of the air force soon as there have already been defectors.

Sure sure.. you should ask them then why they didn't oppose zionists from taking a chunk of Syria.

May Allah swt rid us of bashar and his pigs soon ameen



Denial is a good coping mechanism ..

best,
Why are you in denial ?
It's a fact that the "rebels/alqueda " were the first too kill on a mass scale !
The buttering of 200 policemen would make any gov on planet mobilize !

If you think this is a Islamic revolution I suggest you revaluate what islam is !

Islam is NOT lynching black people !


And by the way I DON'T NEED GOOGLE too tell me who is and who is not a Muslim !

Only the Lord of the universe CAN judge who is a Muslim !

I suggest you try NOT too ask Google who is and who is not a Muslil in the future !


Syria is composed of many sects

And from watching Syrian TV were there have been millions supprting Asad !

Saying that neither u or me can stop another kaffir war against Syria ,

As it has already been propherzied
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 03:14 PM
The syrians are NOT persecuted

And neither are the Sunni living there
C

Why are you trying to invoke a Sunni Shia conflict here ??

The only conflict is

One between the forces of evil " NATO / Saudi / Qatar and their legion of terror gangs

And Syria which like it or not has NOT bowed down too imprial satanic zionists pressure ,

Every one can see that ? It's strange I have never met a Muslim* that so fully supports this western backed uprising !

It's stange ,
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Cbdullahii
Let's put things into context, what is happening in Syria is the ethnic cleansing of the sunni muslims. Syria is supported by Iran and Lebanon's Hezbollah - soldiers from both countries are in Syria.

The alawis are actually nusayris.They believe that Ali is Allah, in other words they are mushriks according to their beliefs and that includes Mr not-a-good-muslim-leader-yet bashar al kalb.

The nusayris give god status to any leader who rules the country - you can check youtube and hear syrian nusayris saying they worship bashar al kalb.

Why are the Gulf countries helping the FSA - is it because of religious reasons and that they feel they need to help their fellow muslim brothers. The answer is NO.

The Gulf countries fear Iran and Syria because of the fairytales they are being fed by the big boys America and Britain. What they're essentially saying is Iran a shiite country can become a super power in the region and therefore no more Gulf countries...no more enjoyment for the fat sheikhs.

The Gulf countries want to stifle any shia influence within the region.

'Terror squads kill innocent syrians' is what bashar and co are saying, but most of these syrians are being shelled by airplanes and helicopters.These fighter jets and helicopters belong to the syrian army.

Why are the western countries funding the FSA, if it is true that they are? Money is to be made from choas and they have their own agendas.

Bashar Al kalb is evil, the US is evil, the Shia scholar who says umar ibn Al khattab liked homosexual sex is evil, Iran is evil.

Any ruler who has ruled for decades and starves his people is evil.

They're all evil.
I have never heard any one call Assad G-d

Do you have a refferemce for that ??


But let me take a wild stab in the dark here

Are Hezbollah evil also in your eyes ?

As so far we have
Syria
Iran ?


Thank you for inlighting me ,
Reply

Cabdullahi
06-26-2012, 03:49 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
I have never heard any one call Assad G-d

Do you have a refferemce for that ??


But let me take a wild stab in the dark here

Are Hezbollah evil also in your eyes ?

As so far we have
Syria
Iran ?


Thank you for inlighting me ,


diversify your bonds!
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 04:00 PM
Here they're (Alwaites) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oM_p6Ewywo
shooting at a mosque



here they're praying to Asad

Yes-- we've a problem with Alwaite & shiites and HizbuAllah, Iran and Africans coming to kill Libyans as hired mercenaries (if we take a diversion to answer your other query), and this is an ethnic cleansing of practicing Muslims the only proper way to practice Islam.
Russia doesn't want Sunnis to come to power, it would mean Chechnya (who are sunnis) could gain some influence that is why it vetoes along with China who are trying to ethnic cleanse their own Muslim population while strengthening Bashar's vicious Alwaite air force.
It really that simple. I promised I wouldn't waste my time on this thread or similar threads anymore. In shaa Allah a khilafah will be established and it will be khilafah rashida and it will be built by the blood of those who decided to be free and not cower to one influence or another.
You don't convince me of anything and I don't care how you paint hizbuAllah and iran as saints when they're in Syria to exterminate Muslims.
A true Muslim wouldn't raise a weapon to another for starters let alone exterminate
Reply

Cabdullahi
06-26-2012, 04:03 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
The syrians are NOT persecuted

And neither are the Sunni living there
C

Why are you trying to invoke a Sunni Shia conflict here ??


Nusayri women kidnapping sunni women, so that the nusayri men can rape them.
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 04:23 PM
According to MEMRI, Assad claimed the United States could benefit from the Syrian experience in fighting organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood at the Hama Massacre.[49]

and his father used to hang them from the town square simply for belonging to the organization. If your loyalty lies to Iran and HizbAllah and alawis then it is simply your prerogative. My loyalty lies with Allah swt, with justice and with the majority since Allah swt is with the majority. And the majority are ahel as'sunnah wal'jama3a.. ma ajtama3at ummati 3la batil.
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-26-2012, 05:24 PM
And thats why no one is gonna say anything when US is gonna attack iran or syria. Because of supporting dictators. I've seen this already happening a year ago, the alewites have always been oppressing muslims especially sunni in this regard. syria has no American military base, the US wants one, because its close to israel, and its a more easy way to attack iran. They have taken oppertunity of this revolution to bring syria deep in a **** hole. first by ordering assad to kill protestors, mossad was placing snipers everywhere to attack every protest. So the blame game would start. now the alewites want to kill every sunni muslims in syria, and sunni muslim wants to kill every alewite in syria. Thats why they have been funneling arms through turkey and jordan. I neither support both sides. Sorry if i insult the ones who really support this syrian revolution, but the superpowers have got a big hand in this conflict. Also saudi arabia is making up his own armies to go into syria, with the ultra-extremist wahhabi ideology. This is not fighting but brutal massacre of muslims killing each other. Pro-bashar supporters vs wahhabi terror squads vs kurdish pkk vs real oppostion, and even in some of the opposition there are CIA/Mi6 heating the conflict. Take in mind that US wanted to get rid of syria since 3 decades ago, now they have taken the oppertunity. No regime is gonna rise until it bows down to the system.

But the rebels are set up for a massive betrayal, i guarantee. also the US will target them. I find it very ood that i get labeled as a assad supporter while i've always said that he is responsible for autrocities and massacres. It was him who cleansed palestinian refugee camps in syria.

U should ponder on the geographic strategic location of syria. Its not about support the revolution or Assad, everyone who can place some pieces into this gigantic jigsaw puzzle can see with their heart and eyes.

In libya there is a civil war going on ATM between wahhabi vs sunni mujahideen and pro-gadaffi rebels. and the NTC cant control it due to its weak grip and interest. (they took kufar as allies and sadly they're paying for it)

USA doesnt care about Assad, it cares about the world order they want to create.
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 05:35 PM
The people on the ground aren't stupid!
Jordan is a far better strategic location for the west than Syria and they can use places like Bahrain to attack Iran if they wanted to.. Fact is Iran/ u.s and Israel are a happy trio and the west loves nothing more than to foster minorities put them in charge.
The only real threat to the west are Sunni Muslims that's whom they're trying to prevent from coming into power which is the natural thing that which should happen. Tribulations happen with factions and I agree they love it. Setting those against those hopefully they'll chew each other out in their quest for power until we get this ummah standing on one heart.
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-26-2012, 05:51 PM
There are also movements in the sunni population supported by the west and that is the wahhabi movement. The wahhabis are ultra-extremists, labeling even sunni as kufar. They're responsible for destroying tombs of the sahaba(Ra) because of the lie spewed out by them: ''otherwise it would lead to shirk''. The house of saud is funding their movement and they're also responsible for the fall of the last khilafah If these ones come into power then you will still have nothing... Plus they've risen from the najd region along with the house of saud, our prophet muhammed(SAW) mentioned that the horn of shaytaan will rise from there.

The world elite always have supported the sects and movements which is totally different then the sunnah of our blessed prophet(Saw). From wahhabis to alewites. Thats why i'm against KSA sending men + arms into syria because this could end up very well bad even after Assad is toppled. Lets pray to Allah and make dua that everything will be fine aftewards may they dont fall in the hands of the one eyed deciever. Insha'Allah.
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 06:01 PM
There's no such a thing as 'wahabi', we do not know of any scholar even in Saudi Arabia who calls himself a Wahabi. There is no sect in Islam called Wahabism. Ibn Abdel Wahab’s was a leader of a major revivalist movement. But still we do not accept every thing he says... ibn abdul wahab was a sunni scholar no more no less. We should start putting things into perspective. The ruling family in KSA is as corrupt and despotic as in the rest of the Muslim world.. It is very difficult for me to believe that they'd bring anyone other than Indians or Filipinos to fight for them let alone send them to neighboring countries, pretty much like England. Some folks think that slaves from other poorer nations should be their front line infantry .. .. They can do much with their money, but money isn't the goal of those who revolt hence their effort are lost in places like Egypt and soon in their own back yard if Saudis would gain some courage.
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-26-2012, 06:11 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
There's no such a thing as 'wahabi', we do not know of any scholar even in Saudi Arabia who calls himself a Wahabi. There is no sect in Islam called Wahabism. Ibn Abdel Wahab’s was a leader of a major revivalist movement. But still we do not accept every thing he says... ibn abdul wahab was a sunni scholar no more no less. We should start putting things into perspective. The ruling family in KSA is as corrupt and despotic as in the rest of the Muslim world.. It is very difficult for me to believe that they'd bring anyone other than Indians or Filipinos to fight for them let alone send them to neighboring countries, pretty much like England. Some folks think that slaves from other poorer nations should be their front line infantry .. .. They can do much with their money, but money isn't the goal of those who revolt hence their effort are lost in places like Egypt and soon in their own back yard if Saudis would gain some courage.
If you claim there is no ''wahhabism'' you should study history since the 17th century especially. The brits knew they couldnt attack khalifah from the outside, so they did from within. It started all in the najd region, ibn abdel wahhab is not someone who you think who he was. problem is i cant speak on this forum about the house of saud and the history because they will delete my posts. You should talk with Bro scimitar about this matter via PM if you want, i am not forcing you :)

The brits started to organize and decieve people within the khilafah some even claiming to be muslims but in meanwhile they were kabbalistic jews/masons. Like Ataturk(also he was supported by the brits and USA)
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 06:15 PM
I assure you that I watched all 9 hours of the arrivals, a large chunk of the wake up project and most of Imran Hussain vids. on eschatology. I guess I am not just a passive receiver and don't recommend that anyone should be, in the end though it is a personal choice!... It isn't the noble Quran rather the works, ijtihads, and sometimes frank manufacture of men. So I know which parts to accept and which to toss aside from various readings. But I see so many people influenced by the arrivals especially and as exciting and glossy as they were, there was alot of bull in it too...

:w:
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-26-2012, 06:22 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
I assure you that I watched all 9 hours of the arrivals, a large chunk of the wake up project and most of Imran Hussain vids. on eschatology. I guess I am not just a passive receiver and don't recommend that anyone should be, in the end though it is a personal choice!... It isn't the noble Quran rather the works, ijtihads, and sometimes frank manufacture of men. So I know which parts to accept and which to toss aside from various readings. But I see so many people influenced by the arrivals especially and as exciting and glossy as they were, there was alot of bull in it too...

:w:
The part about the wahhabi movements isnt in the Arrivals. I consider the arrivals also as shia propaganda, also it didnt focus on the social engineering process. especially via the media. These times its a battle for your mind and soul. This is the real war.
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by Cbdullahii;
ht.
diversify your bonds!

Bro if that's your evidence that Assad is worshiped like a Deity !

Your NUTS !

Syrians are very good muslims ! And apart from your man on the street who is NUTS !

All Syrian Muslims know there is ONKY one Allah and no sorely ruler can come above or before him !

I'm sorry I am NOT convinced !

I don't like Assad ! But the fact is he DOES NOT potray himself as a god! That is for certain !

He maybe a little too secualr !
But Syria was doing quite well for itsself despite being under embargo and sanctions for decades !


Can't you see syria is a enemy of zionism and American imperialism !

Syria is a MODEL too the world on how different refligions and sects can live in peace !

This is NOT a Islamic revolution
As the rebels/ alqueda are acting CONTRAY TO ALLAH direct command !

My brother how can one Ignore the Quran ??

How can you disobey the Quran ?

Even NON Muslims can see this is a western backed . Western planned Syrian massacre !
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 06:44 PM
[

[QUOTE=منوة الخيال;1528253]According to [[/URL],


Wait wait stop the TAPE !

Your using memri tv as a reference ?
Are you feeling ok !?
Memri is the MOST anti islamic Nazi media platform ??

You feeling ok sister ?


I'm sorry but I nearly fell of my chair !

The main 3 enemies of zionism - Syria - Iran - Hezbollah -

Are the 3 groups you want eliminating ??

Say your shada as I am in doubt about WHO YOU REALLY ARE !!
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-26-2012, 06:47 PM
[QUOTE=TruthLogic;1528301][

Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
According to [[/URL],


Wait wait stop the TAPE !

Your using memri tv as a reference ?
Are you feeling ok !?
Memri is the MOST anti islamic Nazi media platform ??

You feeling ok sister ?


I'm sorry but I nearly fell of my chair !

The main 3 enemies of zionism - Syria - Iran - Hezbollah -

Are the 3 groups you want eliminating ??

Say your shada as I am in doubt about WHO YOU REALLY ARE !!
You are right about Memri TV since it was created by a israeli commander. So its a zionist source. But dont lash out against her like that, we've all been/are in state of ignorance. Speak with mercy and compassion. Especially in this times, where the fitnah and fasaad has reached the top of this world.

Al-assad isnt very favourable as you think bro, there are torture prisons in syria, this is confirmed. Also it participated in operation desert shield to protect american oil from saudi. Its all poltics bro, we know who have set this stage and thats the diety our prophet muhammed(Saw) and all other prophets(As) warned against us and that we need to hide from it.
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 06:51 PM
Hog wash !

We the Sunni are sleeping !

I'm sorry to say like it or NOT ,
With all their issues the FACT is its Iran Syria and Hezbollah who kicked IDF ass who are the ONLY reistance too zionists domination!

All other nations have bowed down !
The palastinians are in prisons !

The Sunnis have been under the Zionist jack boot for decades !

Iran , Syria and the one and only afghans are the last line between total zionists / satanist world domination!


Iran and the afghans will make a alliance !
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 06:56 PM
[QUOTE=Jedi_Mindset;1528304]
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
[



You are right about Memri TV since it was created by a israeli commander. So its a zionist source. But dont lash out against her like that, we've all been/are in state of ignorance. Speak with mercy and compassion. Especially in this times, where the fitnah and fasaad has reached the top of this world.

Al-assad isnt very favourable as you think bro, there are torture prisons in syria, this is confirmed. Also it participated in operation desert shield to protect american oil from saudi. Its all poltics bro, we know who have set this stage and thats the diety our prophet muhammed(Saw) and all other prophets(As) warned against us and that we need to hide from it.
I have never met a Muslim who would cuss you at the same time they talk scripture -

I have never met a muslim who thinks google and NOT Allah swt decides who is and who is not a Muslim !

I have never ever ever met a muslim who has called for the destruction of Syria , Iran and Hezbollah - ( 3 main enemies of you know who !!)

I think that sums up what I THINK OF HER !

My next thread is on Quran and GM food .
Peace
Reply

جوري
06-26-2012, 06:57 PM
Hafez al-Assad and the Islamist Movement: An Era of Suppression Late president Hafez al-Assad had completely annihilated the Muslim Brotherhood as well as its breakaway political organization, al-Taleea al-Muqatila ("The Fighting Vanguard"), which started its activity after the assassination of its founder, Marwan Hadeed, in prison in 1976. The Muslim Brotherhood represented all small Islamist political groups that were formed during French colonisation and the Ottoman Caliphate.

http://studies.aljazeera.net/en/repo...0962880192.htm

you can't keep putting down every news outlet simply because you don't like the truths that they hold.
Muslims were hung from town square simply for being Muslim.
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-26-2012, 07:01 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Hog wash !

We the Sunni are sleeping !

I'm sorry to say like it or NOT ,
With all their issues the FACT is its Iran Syria and Hezbollah who kicked IDF ass who are the ONLY reistance too zionists domination!

All other nations have bowed down !
The palastinians are in prisons !

The Sunnis have been under the Zionist jack boot for decades !

Iran , Syria and the one and only afghans are the last line between total zionists / satanist world domination!


Iran and the afghans will make a alliance !
Iran and the afghans will never make a alliance, why iran didn't anything when US invaded afghanistan is still not clear to me, both neighbours got invaded and iran didnt do anything in this regard.

Its true that hezbollah has kicked the butts of IDF in 2006 yes, but they've the same mentality: we will wait till we get attacked, and this is causing problems, because palestinians are waiting too long. Syria Assad regime is very secular. Also you take one side and ignore the other - i agree that rebels get armed by KSA, turkey right? Also via libya and lebanon. No doubt there is foreign influence and everyone who disagrees should check themselves if they are on the right track. That KSA is sending groups into syria is a fact. That SNC has their headquarters in zionist state of turkey is a fact. Those are not denieable.

But Hafez al-assad has killed 20,00 syrians during Hama massacre, this was supported by the US. Its true that syria was under sanctions perhaps since 2002/2003. US has said they will attack syria since then, its not hogwash my friend, syria was always their puppet, 40 years of silence no attacks on the oppressing yahoud, Al-assad was brought into power thanks to the frenchies. I dont know which regime will replace al-assad, but i hope it wont be secular like or atleast not wahhabi. But sometimes enemy join each other for the same interests, when its finished they will fight each other again.
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 07:03 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
If you claim there is no ''wahhabism'' you should study history since the 17th century especially. The brits knew they couldnt attack khalifah from the outside, so they did from within. It started all in the najd region, ibn abdel wahhab is not someone who you think who he was. problem is i cant speak on this forum about the house of saud and the history because they will delete my posts. You should talk with Bro scimitar about this matter via PM if you want, i am not forcing you :)

The brits started to organize and decieve people within the khilafah some even claiming to be muslims but in meanwhile they were kabbalistic jews/masons. Like Ataturk(also he was supported by the brits and USA)
Wow we have censorship on the forum ??

Didn't the kaffir Brits UR the Arabs / Saudis to destroy the last Muslim empire !

Raised eyebrows any one !

If we are to have a REAL. Islamic revolution !
Belive me it will start were the kfc , mcdonlands and 5 start hotels are located ( on the door step of masjid harem)
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-26-2012, 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Wow we have censorship on the forum ??

Didn't the kaffir Brits UR the Arabs / Saudis to destroy the last Muslim empire !

Raised eyebrows any one !

If we are to have a REAL. Islamic revolution !
Belive me it will start were the kfc , mcdonlands and 5 start hotels are located ( on the door step of masjid harem)
And i will be one of the first who will buy a ticket and take a flight towards the blessed lands of arabia where 70 prophets(May Allah bless them) have walked upon. The House of saud is in my eyes the biggest tyrant and most dangerous one in the Middle east. The saudis would agree with me :) They know this time comes soon, i've seen them using fireworks when prince nayef died, but i dont want to to talk about prince nayef, his judgement is with Allah now. When the jihad rages through the lands of arabia be prepared the time has come.
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-26-2012, 07:27 PM
So yeah this is another zionists war coming up, for israel. The zionists are smiling right now, they want that false biblical border from the nile to the euphrates. How easy could it be when muslims are divided in groups, killed and scattered? Hence the civil wars. This is what the wordl elite wants, the masons want to destroy al-aqsa and rebuilt their false idea of solomons temple. ( I doubt they will succeed with that)

Its time to find a cave soon, because we muslims arent welcome in the west , hijrah is certainly a good option. just have to wait patiently since i'm just 16 years old.

Imaan is like walking on red coal, these times are now, to the point that it will be even dangerous.

This is all planned, even the unrest in syria is, the false flag event which involved the turkish airplane is, it could be very well that the airplane was unmanned, today's technology can make that possible easily. i knew turkey was gonna set the first sparks of psychical WW3, guess i am right.


Turkey deploys tanks near Syrian border over jet downing: Report

Turkey has deployed a large number of tanks and other armored vehicles to the Syrian border amid rising tensions with Damascus over the downing of a Turkish fighter jet by the Syrian army.


The Tuesday deployment included 15 armored tanks in addition to long-distance guns and other military vehicles, Turkey'sHurriyetdaily reported.

The move comes hours after Turkish Prime Minster Recep Tayyip Erdogan vowed to retaliate against Damascus over the downing of its fighter jet.

Erdogan said that Turkey changes the rules of engagement with Syria and branded its former ally as "a clear and imminent threat".

Syria on Friday said that a Turkish fighter jet, a F-4 Phantom, was downed in Syrian territorial waters west of the village of Om al-Tuyour in Lattakia Province, 10 kilometers from the beach.

Syrian military stressed on Friday that it had engaged the jet in the Syrian airspace “according to the laws that govern such situations.”

Erdogan said Turkey's military jet violated the Syrian airspace for a short time and "by mistake" and it was shot down by Syria "without a single warning."

Syrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi on Monday warned NATO against forging any anti-Syria conspiracy on the downing of the Turkish fighter jet.
Reply

TruthLogic
06-26-2012, 08:21 PM
Jedi -


I agree to disagree about Iran and the pustuns !

It's a prophercised fact that a army from that part of the world will rise !

And march to the holy lands
They will also pass through Iran which at that time will also be under force Zionist attack -

It is logical which ever way you look at it that any bad traits of the Shia will be stopped as soon as the Imam is reveled .
What do you think ?

Muslim unity will happen
Even between these two neigbours !
Espicaly between these two neigbours .
Reply

Scimitar
06-26-2012, 08:25 PM
I see two extremes with regard to the Syria issue...

1) Pro Bashar extreme - total disbelief in Allah and HIS prophet pbuh (ultra left wing disbelievers).

2) The Saudi Wahhabi Uber Right Wing Super Strict (no middle path, just the far right wing) Muslim forces going up against Bashars forces...

... meanwhile, they big wolf sits, watching... patiently waiting for an opportunity to extend that "Full Spectrum Dominance" into Syria... strategic? ofcourse... just take a look at the region and then think about the year we are in.

It really isn't rocket science at this stage... perceive it. Or not. I see the plans as obvious marker points for the total collapse of a united Muslim movement...

Let me explain this is as simply as I can ok? All over the Arab peninsula, the silent majority are screaming "khilafa now"... not that we get to here this. But you can bet your behinds that the media medics who doctor these reports know all about tht - furthermore, you can again bet your behinds that these reports are not only ignored but also sent to the foreign secretaries of all these "interested" nations, so they can better understand the seriousness of the situation.

What? You don't think these elites have read the Quran and Hadeeth about the times we are currently living in? Guys, these elites are the same people who sponsor sites in the name of Lucifer but propagate a false Islam... we've al found these sites.

So many people are waiting for WW3... it already started a long time ago, but war got an upgrade. Weapons, tanks and jets now take a back seat as the battlefield shifted to that big box you call a television. The war is fought for your opinion... and it is your opinion which is being compromised each time you turn on that black box in order to "learn" something about current world events.

Keep your noses to the ground and do not believe the hype... just be a witness for the time being. See the obvious, look at that big wolf waiting patiently...

...mark my words, that wolf will set up shop very soon.

Scimi
Reply

Perseveranze
06-26-2012, 08:33 PM
Asalaamu Alaikum,

He did this same garbage on Ummah forums.

He supports Imam Hossein who said Syrian rebels are terrorists... Waste of time.
Reply

GuestFellow
06-26-2012, 08:47 PM
Has anyone been to Syria? I mean how confident are you all in knowing what's going on? Please present evidence to support your views. If you have no evidence and just believe whatever you want to believe, your misleading yourself. And no, not secondary sources. How about primary sources for use as evidence. As in original government documentation, legislation or even video clips of what's going on. To rely on that person said the rebels are are backed by Saudi mini munchers who are supported by Iranians muffin munchers is all hearsay.
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 12:03 AM
Originally Posted by Perseveranze
Asalaamu Alaikum,

He did this same garbage on Ummah forums.

He supports Imam Hossein who said Syrian rebels are terrorists... Waste of time.
What's wrong with Sheki Imran Hossien ?

He is quite easily in my eyes the greatest scholar of our time .

And yes I did bring this subject up in another forum, I have nothing to hide hence the exact dame user name ,

And yes people did try and convince me quote pathetically that Shia are not muslims ,

I got banned when I asked who in this world had the authority to discount all the billions of salahs prayed , millions of hajjs preformed by the Shia sect ?
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 12:10 AM
Scimiter -

We need unity at this very moment , we don't need a bunch of Muslims tp start playing with satans minions ( like how they did when they joined forces with the west to destory the last muslim caliphate )



Syria needs stability , not another puppet western gov ,

But like I said a kaffir invasion on Syria well be launched very soon , just like libya !

And from that invasion inshalla we will see the unveiling of the Imam ,


BUT direct commands from Allah is that you simply can't / aren't allowed too make a alliance with these beasts!

---:-----


Any way this thread is about how the western media manipulates the Syrian story for it's own satanic agenda ,

I suggest we keep it too that and Allah be with all the Syrians , regardless of relgion or sect !
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 12:11 AM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
I got banned when I asked who in this world had the authority to discount all the billions of salahs prayed , millions of hajjs preformed by the Shia sect ?
Anyone's salat or Hajj is not counted or discounted by people.
The prophet PBUH did say pray as you see me pray, and Shiites don't pray like he taught, nor perform hajj like he did, and he certainly didn't take the time to stand upon another Muslim's grave to curse them out.
Who you consider an excellent scholar is inconsequential. Scholarship isn't about parroting the words you want to hear, rather the truth whether or not you acquiesce to it is a different story and the same goes for whether or not you think shias are Muslim, they're free to be under that impression, they're simply not free to make that impression the consensus because it isn't!

best,
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 12:16 AM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
We need unity at this very moment , we don't need a bunch of Muslims tp start playing with satans minions ( like how they did when they joined forces with the west to destory the last muslim caliphate )
The caliphate before the dissolution of the Ottoman's was already dissolved in Persia. Sometime after the Mongol invasion they split from the ummah.. They never did like that Islam came from Arabs, they're too 'Persian' too proud to accept this desert thing. The Safavid made sure there were no sunnis left in Iran save for a few concentrated close to the Saudi border and very badly treated and persecuted. Back in the day being sunni in persia afforded you two things, either a forced conversion or if you remained on your convictions for your house to be torched in the night with you in it.
Under the Fatimid tarwaeeh were made illegal and the tongues of imams who called for prayer were cut out before a crowd..
Don't know what to tell you but just some of these atrocities surely doesn't render one a Muslim nor does wanting to split with a united persian empire under the guise of Islam fooling anyone to their personal ambitions.
The bottom line is with these guys or those guys is the systematic eradication of ahel a'sunnah wal jama3a, and may Allah swt make us ever victorious against both taghut and the tribulations that come with them!
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 12:18 AM
and no, no one is manipulating the media since the videos come straight from Syrians themselves, and they're out there protesting, and no one is helping them. In fact Iran and hizbuAllah are sending in their mercenaries to complete the job... they're truly sharr barrya
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 12:25 AM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
Anyone's salat or Hajj is not counted or discounted by people.
The prophet PBUH did say pray as you see me pray, and Shiites don't pray like he taught, nor perform hajj like he did, and he certainly didn't take the time to stand upon another Muslim's grave to curse them out.
Who you consider an excellent scholar is inconsequential. Scholarship isn't about parroting the words you want to hear, rather the truth whether or not you acquiesce to it is a different story and the same goes for whether or not you think shias are Muslim, they're free to be under that impression, they're simply not free to make that impression the consensus because it isn't!

best,
Ahhh you back -

The person who backs the destructions of syria , Iran and Hezbollah ( feel free to add any other Muslim group too the list )


Imran hossien : which part of what he says is " not the truth " ???
If you wish to imply he is a liar please give the explanation !

And as for calling him a parrot is just showing more of your self up .

Peace

And NO ! Again ! Only Allah swt can decide whose salah is valid
, which hajj , fast , zakat , shada will count !

NOT YOU ,
NOT ME
And defiantly NOT Google can tell us who is NOT a true Muslim !

This is a redicolus argument only found on the Internet , or possibly in some extreme circles !

I for one have never hears any one utter Shia are NOT muslims !
Like I said only Allah is the judge ?
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 12:27 AM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
and no, no one is manipulating the media since the videos come straight from Syrians themselves, and they're out there protesting, and no one is helping them. In fact Iran and hizbuAllah are sending in their mercenaries to complete the job... they're truly sharr barrya
FACT : the biggest user of mercenries is the satanic west !

FACT : Saudi has put up 300 million of blood money which has surely attracted many Many mercenries ,
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Ahhh you back -
I was never gone
The person who backs the destructions of syria , Iran and Hezbollah ( feel free to add any other Muslim group too the list )
I certainly don't wish destruction on Syria or its righteous Muslims.. I do however wish destruction on the despotic regime and its supporters in shaa Allah.


Imran hossien : which part of what he says is " not the truth " ???
If you wish to imply he is a liar please give the explanation !
we've a thread here on imran hussain and many have brought their reservation on how he sways from sunnah.. not saying everything he says is untrue, but there's much to discard.

And as for calling him a parrot is just showing more of your self up .
Where did I say imran Hussain is a parrot?

Peace

And NO ! Again ! Only Allah swt can decide whose salah is valid
, which hajj , fast , zakat , shada will count !

NOT YOU ,
NOT ME
And defiantly NOT Google can tell us who is NOT a true Muslim !

This is a redicolus argument only found on the Internet , or possibly in some extreme circles !

I for one have never hears any one utter Shia are NOT muslims !
Like I said only Allah is the judge ?
Indeed, Allah swt decides whose salat is valid.. hopefully those who are ignorant can learn and not so remain in the dark..

best,
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 12:35 AM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
FACT : the biggest user of mercenries is the satanic west !

FACT : Saudi has put up 300 million of blood money which has surely attracted many Many mercenries ,
Yup, they equally suck but it doesn't exempt Iran, HizbuAllah, China, Russia from far worse human rights abuses and ethnic cleansing.. so what is your point?
People who are revolting are well aware of that and trying to bring it to an end .. In shaa Allah, Allah swt will aid them east and west to establish true khilafah rashida on the path of the prophet.. not on the path of a persian empire or a satanic NATO one.. hopefully Saudis will muster enough courage to follow in that path..
right now if Jordanians would revolt and I think they're starting to, it would bring an end to Monarch rule or at least the start of the end of Monarchs and hopefully enable troops to go through its strategic location to bring a certain demise to the colonial settler state..
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 12:45 AM
Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
Has anyone been to Syria? I mean how confident are you all in knowing what's going on? Please present evidence to support your views. If you have no evidence and just believe whatever you want to believe, your misleading yourself. And no, not secondary sources. How about primary sources for use as evidence. As in original government documentation, legislation or even video clips of what's going on. To rely on that person said the rebels are are backed by Saudi mini munchers who are supported by Iranians muffin munchers is all hearsay.
GOOD POINT :

And here in lies the obvious use of propaganda ,

All the western media reports rely on the LonDon bases Syrian human rights observatory , which give out selfconflicting daily reports in Syria ,
Yet no one knows how they get these reports !

The UN use this one man opertion for it's Syrian reports , the BBC uses the UN as a source , and all the rest of the western media use each other ,

Only recently has the BBC after over a year of pumping out Syrian propaganda has used the official Syrian government tallies of number of persons killed !


Basicaly they CAN apparely ONLY count the number of killed in Syria and forget how too add up when it comes too other conflict zones !
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
Yup, they equally suck but it doesn't exempt Iran, HizbuAllah, China, Russia from far worse human rights abuses and ethnic cleansing.. so what is your point?
People who are revolting are well aware of that and trying to bring it to an end .. In shaa Allah, Allah swt will aid them east and west to establish true khilafah rashida on the path of the prophet.. not on the path of a persian empire or a satanic NATO one.. hopefully Saudis will muster enough courage to follow in that path..
right now if Jordanians would revolt and I think they're starting to, it would bring an end to Monarch rule or at least the start of the end of Monarchs and hopefully enable troops to go through its strategic location to bring a certain demise to the colonial settler state..
THE point WAS that your wrong on the mercenries part ! As it's more likely that NATO has sent it's mercenries too Syria !


As for your "plan " to usher in Khalifa !

I have a small issue with the siding with Isreal and isreals friends PART !

Sounds more like a NATO plot to use Muslims again !

Islam don't néed NATO no fly zones or protection or help to spread ! LIKE YOU ARE IMPLYING !
snap out of it !
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 12:53 AM
Good so we are in agreement !
Calling Shia NONE Muslim is WRONG !
We can't do Allah Job (. And yes even with the help of Google ;-)
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 01:01 AM
well they're not Muslim, the prophet and the companions weren't shiites or Alwaites (so something to ponder).. read carefully what I wrote. I said they seem to be under that impression and expounded on why they are not!

now, if your house is on fire, are you more worried that someone will break through your front door, or of your dying kids inside?

Something to ponder because I sure as hell don't know where your priorities are...whether the reported death is 100 and is actually ten is an abomination beyond comprehension.
this is what Alwaite pigs are doing.. it is neither the BBC not Al jazeera.


Either way it doesn't matter to me what you believe or make believe. You can spread your shia agenda and bull crap until the cows come home.. In shaa Allah, Allah swt will yotim ni3matah wa yo'ayed be nasrihi sha3b syria wa yo7rir ahlaha min kul at'tugha..

ameen
Reply

IslamicRevival
06-27-2012, 01:12 AM
I tend to agree. Most mainstream news channels are unreliable sources and cannot be trusted, they try and cover up the truth rather then speak the truth. I dont know whats going on in Syria and no one should pretend they know unless they've seen what is trully happening out there with their own eyes. We should be open minded and realise whats happening in Syria right now is no diferent to what happened in Libya...and we all know who was behind it all, NATO!
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 05:07 AM
Originally Posted by Vision
I tend to agree. Most mainstream news channels are unreliable sources and cannot be trusted, they try and cover up the truth rather then speak the truth. I dont know whats going on in Syria and no one should pretend they know unless they've seen what is trully happening out there with their own eyes. We should be open minded and realise whats happening in Syria right now is no diferent to what happened in Libya...and we all know who was behind it all, NATO!
Yep, i agree with this. You are on the right path Masha'Allah. How could we trust the ones who are responsible for the destroying of the khilafah? It was in world war 1 when it officialy ended. Also the same time of the balfour decleration.



From the east, from the west, from the north, from the south. From land, sea, and air.


The revivals is in my eyes much better then the arrivals since its more halal and from sunni view. Also its pretty good. What sis Bluebell said is true either, the caliphate was already weakened from the inside in which britain also played a role in by funding arabs from extreme-salafists movements to overthrow the caliphate. And it was france who gave Alewite power after they left.
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 09:45 AM
Originally Posted by Vision
I tend to agree. Most mainstream news channels are unreliable sources and cannot be trusted, they try and cover up the truth rather then speak the truth. I dont know whats going on in Syria and no one should pretend they know unless they've seen what is trully happening out there with their own eyes. We should be open minded and realise whats happening in Syria right now is no diferent to what happened in Libya...and we all know who was behind it all, NATO!
The propaganda has been at a unprecedented high level , even aljazerera employes have left the station for it's continoius bias againt syria ,

Like pakistans Imran Khan says it's a information war ,
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 09:51 AM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
well they're not Muslim, the prophet and the companions weren't shiites or Alwaites (so something to ponder).. read carefully what I wrote. I said they seem to be under that impression and expounded on why they are not!

now, if your house is on fire, are you more worried that someone will break through your front door, or of your dying kids inside?

Something to ponder because I sure as hell don't know where your priorities are...whether the reported death is 100 and is actually ten is an abomination beyond comprehension.
this is what Alwaite pigs are doing.. it is neither the BBC not Al jazeera.

to me what you believe or make believe. You can spread your shia agenda and bull crap until the cows come home.. In shaa Allah, Allah swt will yotim ni3matah wa yo'ayed be nasrihi sha3b syria wa yo7rir ahlaha min kul at'tugha..

ameen
Sister we are going around in circles and what you say is against the basic principles of islam !

Again NO NO NO! We do not posses the authority to class the Shia as NON MUSLIM !

Sure they have some issues , but the prophet has said many sects would form,

And using logic and common sense it's obvious the Shia issues will come too a stop once the Imam appears!

Our prophet was NOT a Sunni also !
Sects is what has devided us !

We are Muslim before anything else ,



And about the killing of Kids ,

The syrian army gets ZERO benefit from killing kids ,
Think about it !

However looking into world history it's obvious the satanists have in the past (eg south America ). Used death squads too bring down governments ,
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 10:26 AM
Another example of how the western media manipulates the Syrian story ,

1. They never or hardly use footage or reports from Syrian news channels ( even despite some Syrian news channels being broadcast in English )
Reply

Cabdullahi
06-27-2012, 10:32 AM
According to what you are saying all sectarian issues will disappear when the mahdi comes...what if i told you they are waiting for another mahdi...a mahdi different to the real mahdi.

A fake mahdi?

If they're waiting for a fake mahdi,obviously the issue of sects wont go away so when will the issues of sects go away
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 11:14 AM
This is the kurdish president of syrian national council:




Very clean shaved, hasnt a proper beard or hair, he looks very secular in my eyes. It doesnt look like he is from the muslim brotherhood at all. Make a smililarity with him and david cameron and you wont find differences except the skin color. Sorry, but if you think this guy can lead...i would think twice before choosing him, may Allah guide him. Ameen

He has this arrogant expression, dont know. But he chose himself to lead, not the people. You guys think i judge of the unseen but i cant even see the mark of prayer on his face.

I've just read report that syrian TV station got attacked. And that some staff members got executed. i dont know by who, but certainly not Assad since the syrian TV is still state-owned. possible SAS?
Reply

syed_z
06-27-2012, 11:51 AM
Asalaam O Alaikum brothers and Sisters....


Brother Jedi hope your doing fine... and I hope you know that many Ottoman Caliphs were also clean shaved and had moustaches too and they were still ruling as Khalifas of the Ummah and their empire was Ottoman Khilafah as we all know it therefore the issue of beard or clean shave is not an issue at all, personally i dont think it is.

A muslim can have a long beard and could be corrupt and could be clean shaved and be a pious. So thats not an issue.


2nd of all we all know why Syria is facing unrest and why all the funding and training and weapons are being infiltrated from Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq because Syria is paying the price for its opposition to Israel and being in alliance of Iran and Russia (which means they are not allies of Saudi Arabia and USA/Israel) and therefore all the countries mentioned are working for USA/Israel and NATO to take Assad out. So lets face it that this is not an actual revolution any more now it has become an armed conflict in which groups are being funded with arms and weapons, many of whom are not even Syrians, who attack Syrian security forces.


3rd of all and this is also a fact that Syria is ruled by Alawite Shias who branch out from the main body of Shias and believe that Hazrat Ali (r.a) has divine qualities etc and therefore they are definitely misguided people. The Assads are a ruling family that has ruled like almost every other ruler of the Muslim world who is corrupt. They have no legitimacy to rule over the Syrians forcibly.


Therefore the Syrians started the revolution to take the Assads out but revolution has been hijacked by external forces just like the case of Libya.
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 12:03 PM
Originally Posted by syed_z
Asalaam O Alaikum brothers and Sisters....


Brother Jedi hope your doing fine... and I hope you know that many Ottoman Caliphs were also clean shaved and had moustaches too and they were still ruling as Khalifas of the Ummah and their empire was Ottoman Khilafah as we all know it therefore the issue of beard or clean shave is not an issue at all, personally i dont think it is.

A muslim can have a long beard and could be corrupt and could be clean shaved and be a pious. So thats not an issue.


2nd of all we all know why Syria is facing unrest and why all the funding and training and weapons are being infiltrated from Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq because Syria is paying the price for its opposition to Israel and being in alliance of Iran and Russia (which means they are not allies of Saudi Arabia and USA/Israel) and therefore all the countries mentioned are working for USA/Israel and NATO to take Assad out. So lets face it that this is not an actual revolution any more now it has become an armed conflict in which groups are being funded with arms and weapons, many of whom are not even Syrians, who attack Syrian security forces.


3rd of all and this is also a fact that Syria is ruled by Alawite Shias who branch out from the main body of Shias and believe that Hazrat Ali (r.a) has divine qualities etc and therefore they are definitely misguided people. The Assads are a ruling family that has ruled like almost every other ruler of the Muslim world who is corrupt. They have no legitimacy to rule over the Syrians forcibly.


Therefore the Syrians started the revolution to take the Assads out but revolution has been hijacked by external forces just like the case of Libya.
This is what i was trying to say but as soon you post it you get labeled as a Assad supporter by people who cant place the puzzles together(Brainwashed by foreign media). Its for full spectrum dominance, they dont care about al-assad he is merely a pawn. Its a fact that groups for covert operations has done great influence on the uprising, its not just about Assad anymore its about to kill the entire alewite population. A very childish act by those scholars who support this, they're donkeys. The sunnah of prophet muhammed(Saw) is not shown here. The asseds started to killing civilians, doesnt mean you need to do the other way around.

This more then just al-assad killing protestors and oppostion killing alewites and gov supporters. Its both extremes fighting together. Saudi-extreme salafists (wahhabis) terror groups vs the alewite shirk infested pro-bashar gov.

Most syrians choose the side of the oppostion groups because they scream la ilaha ill Allah, what they dont know is that also the SNC and many groups have their own agenda. U are extremely right bro, when you say that some groups arent even syrians at all. This is disgusting towards the real oppostion.

There has been a report few days ago about around 40 germans smuggled weapons into syria, but i need to check upon that. They dont know that some FB and youtube accounts are created by CIA/zionists. Especially facebook, because its owned by CIA itself.

Willing to stand against the tide(the masses)?
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 03:08 PM
Originally Posted by Cbdullahii
According to what you are saying all sectarian issues will disappear when the mahdi comes...what if i told you they are waiting for another mahdi...a mahdi different to the real mahdi.

A fake mahdi?

If they're waiting for a fake mahdi,obviously the issue of sects wont go away so when will the issues of sects go away
Not they or we

All of the Ummah is waiting for the one Imam,

Look brother , it's crazy too suggest that YOU can class Shia as NONE Muslims , ( thankfully this sort of crazy talk is limited too Internet were anonymity is guaranteed )

Now you say there will be TWO mahdis / imams !

Come on please screw your head on correctly before logging onto the forum,

How many Sunni do you think will follow the Imam ?


And yes it's garanteed
That the SHIA must stop cracking their heads on swords as the Imam will put a stop too that ,

It's logical too also assume all Muslims will also start to pray as tue Imam will and all differences will be vanquished ,

Yes I am aware that Shia believe that the Imam is already alive and is hidden by Allah swt will

We believe the imam is alive and living and will be revealed ,

Only Allah swt knows best
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 03:11 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Again NO NO NO! We do not posses the authority to class the Shia as NON MUSLIM !
All the scholars have already so qualified them along with despotic regime.
Your feelings and their impression isn't what plays a factor in this.
To begin with a Muslim who raises a weapon in another Muslims's face has already committed kuffr.
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by syed_z
Asalaam O Alaikum brothers and Sisters....


Brother Jedi hope your doing fine... and I hope you know that many Ottoman Caliphs were also clean shaved and had moustaches too and they were still ruling as Khalifas of the Ummah and their empire was Ottoman Khilafah as we all know it therefore the issue of beard or clean shave is not an issue at all, personally i dont think it is.

A muslim can have a long beard and could be corrupt and could be clean shaved and be a pious. So thats not an issue.


2nd of all we all know why Syria is facing unrest and why all the funding and training and weapons are being infiltrated from Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq because Syria is paying the price for its opposition to Israel and being in alliance of Iran and Russia (which means they are not allies of Saudi Arabia and USA/Israel) and therefore all the countries mentioned are working for USA/Israel and NATO to take Assad out. So lets face it that this is not an actual revolution any more now it has become an armed conflict in which groups are being funded with arms and weapons, many of whom are not even Syrians, who attack Syrian security forces.


3rd of all and this is also a fact that Syria is ruled by Alawite Shias who branch out from the main body of Shias and believe that Hazrat Ali (r.a) has divine qualities etc and therefore they are definitely misguided people. The Assads are a ruling family that has ruled like almost every other ruler of the Muslim world who is corrupt. They have no legitimacy to rule over the Syrians forcibly.


Therefore the Syrians started the revolution to take the Assads out but revolution has been hijacked by external forces just like the case of Libya.
My brother the guy in the picture does look very secular , like he belongs in a NATO meeting rather than leading a Islamic revolution ,

Yes the Syrian rev may have been hijacked !

However it is more plausible that the NATO / Saudi alliance have been planning this for decades ,

It was reported many years ago that Saudi rehabilitate terrorists from Iraq and brainwash them into thinking "THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN DECLARE JIHAD IS THE KING "

It's very plausible Saudi has been training terror gangs for this purpose for decades

Using Islam as a excuse !

But we have crystal clear instructions direct from Allah warning any muslim NOT too make a alliance with these satanic kaffirs !


Please send me a alwai source that says they consider the prophets grandson a deity please
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
All the scholars have already so qualified them along with despotic regime.
Your feelings and their impression isn't what plays a factor in this.
To begin with a Muslim who raises a weapon in another Muslims's face has already committed kuffr.
The Shia have performed hundreds of millions of hajj
The Shia have performed billions of sallahs
The Shia have kept hundreds of million of fasts
The Shia have read millions of Qurans

Ok my mind is open , name me the people who have discounted these actions
And tell me HOW they have more authority than the one Lord ?
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 03:22 PM
Jedi

Remember Libya !

Can any Muslim call that a Islamic revolution !

Especially when NATO mercenaries were on the ground gunning down libyans !?????

NO IT'S NO ISLAM REVOLUTION !
YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED!!

( if I could I would post vids showing kaffir NATO dogs killing libyans )
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
The Shia have performed hundreds of millions of hajj
The Shia have performed billions of sallahs
The Shia have kept hundreds of million of fasts
The Shia have read millions of Qurans

Ok my mind is open , name me the people who have discounted these actions
And tell me HOW they have more authority than the one Lord ?
Regular traditional Muslims can also perform these and not have them be accepted - People can read the Quran and not have it go past their throats. You're missing the point entirely.
Millions of Jews/Christians/ Buddhists also pray and do charitable things.. Why would you choose Islam as a religion if you can accomplish said deeds under any banner.
Both the sons of Adam gave offerings why was it accepted from one and not the other?
This isn't a thread on philosophy or comparative religion. It is about kaffirs spilling Muslim blood, whether or not those kaffirs are under the impression that they're Muslim!

best,
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Jedi

Remember Libya !

Can any Muslim call that a Islamic revolution !

Especially when NATO mercenaries were on the ground gunning down libyans !?????

NO IT'S NO ISLAM REVOLUTION !
YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED!!

( if I could I would post vids showing kaffir NATO dogs killing libyans )
Before the revolution libya didnt had a rothchild bank, now it has. Already had after a week of the uprising the benghazi bank was set up, now its dealing with interest, gadaffi kicked out US dollar and changed into gold currency which they didnt like. Its a fact and confirmed but that doesnt make him just. this is dajjal's work we are plainly decieved that this arab spring will result into the khilafah. I hope it will because Allah is the best of planners. Its politics chessboard.

We've seen revolutions in the past, mainly in Gaza when Hamas took power. Thats a revolution. They kicked out the IDF soldiers, now israel continues to besiege gaza with bombs and sanctions. But atleast gaza itself was freed from zionist police.

In case of Egypt, i will wait for a couple of months.
:sl:
Reply

Cabdullahi
06-27-2012, 03:32 PM
Show me evidence that the mahdi will,in your words, stop the shia hitting themselves with swords.

No more ramblings now!
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 03:40 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
Before the revolution libya didnt had a rothchild bank,
Yes but they had mercenaries from Belgium and Africa raping and killing Libyans & that's not 1% of the atrocities he committed!
Guess what. Gaddafi isn't immortal and neither the other despots. Surely you can conceive that their despotic regime isn't eternal?
You keep wishing for something or lamenting over how good they've had it. Whether or not they had it good isn't the point since there's no going back to inertia. The term under despotic rule is over. Read that again OVER!
“Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: ‘Prophethood will last among you for as long as Allah wills, then Allah will take it away. Then it will be (followed by) a Khilafah Rashida (rightly guided) on the pattern of the Prophethood. It will remain for as long as Allah wills, then Allah will take it away. Afterwards there will be a hereditary leadership which will remain for as long as Allah wills, then He will lift it if He wishes. Afterwards, there will be biting oppression, and it will last for as long as Allah wishes, then He will lift it if He wishes. Then there will be a Khilafah Rashida according to the ways of the Prophethood.’ Then he kept silent.” [Musnad Imam Ahmad]

Khilafah rashida doesn't come under Persia!
nor will it come when the people sit there and accept ****:

Ar-Ra'd (The Thunder)[13:11] [RECITE]
[top] [next match]

Lahu muAAaqqibatun min bayni yadayhi wamin khalfihi yahfathoonahu min amri Allahi inna Allaha la yughayyiru ma biqawmin hatta yughayyiroo ma bianfusihim waitha arada Allahu biqawmin sooan fala maradda lahu wama lahum min doonihi min walin
13:11 For each (such person) there are (angels) in succession, before and behind him: They guard him by command of Allah. Verily never will Allah change the condition of a people until they change it themselves (with their own souls). But when (once) Allah willeth a people's punishment, there can be no turning it back, nor will they find, besides Him, any to protect.


You can see, Allah swt will not change the condition of a people until they change themselves. So whether or not you cry over Saddam or Gaddafi will it bring that back or change the fact of the matter.

We're in the period of 'THUMMA'. thumma khilafah rashida on the minhaj of the prophet!!!!!
This whether you like it or not is a transition from that to this.. unless you don't believe in the promise of God?
God promised his righteous servants if they make their intentions true even if they maybe a handful that he will make them victorious.
Al-Mujadilah (The Disputation) [58:21] [RECITE]
[top] [next match]
Kataba Allahu laaghlibanna ana warusulee inna Allaha qawiyyun AAazeezun

Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 04:11 PM
we are not even in the times of al-fitan and turmoil which will come before the khilafah.

Yes but they had mercenaries from Belgium and Africa raping and killing Libyans & that's not 1% of the atrocities he committed!
Guess what. Gaddafi isn't immortal and neither the other despots. Surely you can conceive that their despotic regime isn't eternal?
You keep wishing for something or lamenting over how good they've had it.
Before the revolution libya didnt had a rothchild bank, now it has. Already had after a week of the uprising the benghazi bank was set up, now its dealing with interest, gadaffi kicked out US dollar and changed into gold currency which they didnt like. Its a fact and confirmed but that doesnt make him just.

“Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: ‘Prophethood will last among you for as long as Allah wills, then Allah will take it away. Then it will be (followed by) a Khilafah Rashida (rightly guided) on the pattern of the Prophethood. It will remain for as long as Allah wills, then Allah will take it away. Afterwards there will be a hereditary leadership which will remain for as long as Allah wills, then He will lift it if He wishes. Afterwards, there will be biting oppression, and it will last for as long as Allah wishes, then He will lift it if He wishes. Then there will be a Khilafah Rashida according to the ways of the Prophethood.’ Then he kept silent.” [Musnad Imam Ahmad]
Now your misinteprenting hadeeth clearly, Allah will lift it when HE wills, look Saddam or gadaffi were dictators to only be replaced by another one. You see where i'm getting here?

Why suddenly in both 2 countries in which US wanted to invade just after 9/11 and even before there are civil wars raging? Isnt a coincidence right?

Khilafah rashida doesn't come under Persia!
nor will it come when the people sit there and accept ****:
Didnt say either, i think it will come from the lands of arabia and khurasan(afghanistan)because its actually that army prophet(Saw) mentioned who will liberate the holy land again. Jerusalem will be the capital of the last caliphate. Because thats our goal: To free the holy land from oppression.







Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
You can see, Allah swt will not change the condition of a people until they change themselves. So whether or not you cry over Saddam or Gaddafi will it bring that back or change the fact of the matter.

We're in the period of 'THUMMA'. thumma khilafah rashida on the minhaj of the prophet!!!!!
This whether you like it or not is a transition from that to this.. unless you don't believe in the promise of God?
God promised his righteous servants if they make their intentions true even if they maybe a handful that he will make them victorious.
You are looking into the future, we cant know yet...only one country is stable at the moment and thats egypt. The revolution in libya and tunisia failed. In tunisia a ''moderate'' islamic party came up. U know what moderate islam means in western terms right?

Problem is that Allah meant when those people will wake up out of their sleep and distant from sins that HE will help them, also He meant the individual. (You or me). I believe the new khalifah will rise during the great war.

Its best to use tafseer before placing qu'ran verses, tafseer ibn kathir is a good one.

1) Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The flourishing state of Jerusalem will be when yathrib is in ruins, the ruined state of yathrib will be when the great war comes, the outbreak of the great war will be at the conquest of Constantinople and the conquest of Constantinople when the Dajjal (Antichrist) comes forth. He (the Prophet) struck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu'adh ibn Jabal). (Book #37, Hadith #4281)
This^ needs to happen before we gonna see good times. the fluorishing state of jerusalem is the state of it today, very less poverty and good stable economy, but prophet muhammed(Saw) didn't mentioned if it was right or bad. Allah knows best, dont be too optimistic when you see dictators falling.
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
we are not even in the times of al-fitan and turmoil which will come before the khilafah.
The time of khilafah will be the best of times.. afterwards (read suret ad-dukhan) Allah swt will take the souls of the believers. What comes after that, doesn't concern us if we're aright!



Before the revolution libya didnt had a rothchild bank, now it has. Already had after a week of the uprising the benghazi bank was set up, now its dealing with interest, gadaffi kicked out US dollar and changed into gold currency which they didnt like. Its a fact and confirmed but that doesnt make him just.

see my response to that in the previous post




Now your misinteprenting hadeeth clearly, Allah will lift it when HE wills, look Saddam or gadaffi were dictators to only be replaced by another one.

Why suddenly in both 2 countries in which US wanted to invade just after 9/11 and even before there are civil wars raging? Isnt a coincidence right?
Do you speak Arabic? how long have you been a Muslim? the hadith cearely states that there will be khilafah rashida in shaa Allah, because everything is Allah swt's will.. the period of time is what we're not sure of not whether or not it will come to pass. I certainly don't see Allah swt granting victory to certain mentalities and without any work toward good!



Didnt say either, i think it will come from the lands of arabia and khurasan(afghanistan)because its actually that army prophet(Saw) mentioned who will liberate the holy land again. Jerusalem will be the capital of the last caliphate. Because thats our goal: To free the holy land from oppression.
This is conjectural, and the ahadith on khurasaan are accepted as either weak or fabricated!









You are looking into the future, we cant know yet...only one country is stable at the moment and thats egypt. The revolution in libya and tunisia failed. In tunisia a ''moderate'' islamic party came up. U know what moderate islam means in western terms right?
& you're looking at a past that can't come back again.. the tides change all the time.. People aren't sitting at home. You are but they're not!


Problem is that Allah meant when those people will wake up out of their sleep and distant from sins that HE will help them, also He meant the individual. (You or me). I believe the new khalifah will rise during the great war.

Its best to use tafseer before placing qu'ran verses, tafseer ibn kathir is a good one.
Again, this isn't about your personal beliefs. People believe the world will end in 2000 or 2012.. such knowedge lies with Allah, all we can do is our best with the best intentions. Gaddafi et. al. are dead. You can't raise them back from the dead nor will the people accept that kind of regime again, making this whole thread and similar ones moot.
This is a period of transition whether you like it or not.. should pave the way to what Allah swt promised if/when people's hearts and deeds are in the right place. I am not seeing that they're with threads like this.
It is almost an insult to the souls of the shohada really..
oh you didn't really die in that number,
oh Asad is a saint, without Asad there's NATO, oh shiites are anges, NATO is evil.. newsflash, they're al evil!
their deeds so speak, their deeds in the here and now not the potential of. Right now they pay with blood, and right now Alawite pigs are bombing them.. it doesn't matter if NATO comes later to find a nation exterminated.. they'll be thankful for Alwaite pigs doing their job.. The people are the resistance, whether against shiites, against a despotic regime or against NATO, they're not helpless, and they've aready decided that it is OK to die for freedom!
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
Again, this isn't about your personal beliefs. People believe the world will end in 2000 or 2012.. such knowedge lies with Allah, all we can do is our best with the best intentions. Gaddafi et. al. are dead. You can't raise them back from the dead nor will the people accept that kind of regime again, making this whole thread and similar ones moot.
This is a period of transition whether you like it or not.. should pave the way to what Allah swt promised if/when people's hearts and deeds are in the right place. I am not seeing that they're with threads like this.
It is almost an insult to the souls of the shohada really..
oh you didn't really die in that number,
oh Asad is a saint, without Asad there's NATO, oh shiites are anges, NATO is evil.. newsflash, they're al evil!
their deeds so speak, their deeds in the here and now not the potential of. Right now they pay with blood, and right now Alawite pigs are bombing them.. it doesn't matter if NATO comes later to find a nation exterminated.. they'll be thankful for Alwaite pigs doing their job.. The people are the resistance, whether against shiites, against a despotic regime or against NATO, they're not helpless, and they've aready decided that it is OK to die for freedom!
Get hold of your emotions before you want to debate.
First of all i'm not whining over gaddafi's death or saddam's one. Problem is that you dont know that the USA and Israel both have supported these revolutions from the start. When people scream la ilaha ill Allah doesnt make them right. Many extremist salafis have done that before they blown themselves up in iraq(The US supported this) and Syria(See damascus twin bombings). And Allah have repeatedly said in the qu'ran that everyone who takes such christians and jews as their allies ( the ones who wage war on islam) that...well they dont end up good. This includes letting themselves being armed by them, i've shown you pics with western made rifles the FSA has.

First of all i'm not even saying Assad is a saint, i even doubt he is arabic. He looks more like a khazar jew then a arab. Stop making such ridicilous claims, i never supported assad or any of them. This a sign of weakness and clearly shows that you have no arguments... Where is the tafsir of ibn kathir? I asked ofr it, never saw it. Yes Allah meant those people who turned towards HiM, and distant themselves from sins.

Prophet muhammed(Saw) mentioned btw a TIME of oppression. Not where one dictator falls and suddenly a gov rises based on shariah. Its a period of time. And this will endure as long as Allah wills.

In case of Syrians, they were happy when the resistance started against Assad, what they dont knew was that both SAS/CIA where funneling arms from jordan and turkey mainly to strenghten the groups. The groups may not know themselves but the pigs of SNC surely know.

What good can come when this guy is gonna lead? He looks more like a woman than a man. lol. Clean shaved, very secular. His face: arrogant expression. Perhaps a new erdogan.

Reply

marwen
06-27-2012, 04:47 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Can any Muslim call that a Islamic revolution !
Brother, I'm not a big fan of "Arab Spring" or "Arab revolutions"; actually I don't see any logic in them. And I don't think they are Islamic revolutions. But what has to be noted is that the history has taken a certain course and it will not stop : These governments, for some reason are collapsing and a new future for the region is beginning. I don't personally encourage people to attack their governments, actually you don't need to do, because things are going in a certain way that these governments will disappear at any time.
But a wise person should understand what is happening and stop supporting these rulers, because they are destroying themselves and everyone related to them. At least stay neutral.
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 04:56 PM
Its gets even more uncanny when the president of israel supports the syrian revolution, looks like they wont need assad anymore, they want a anti-iran government. This is politics.

Without embarrassment’: Shimon Peres voices support for Syria’s rebels
Peres urges international community to bolster efforts to stop bloodshed in Syria, says he hopes rebels ‘will win’ their struggle.
Middle East Online
‘We cannot remain indifferent’



JERUSALEM - Israeli President Shimon Peres urged the international community on Sunday to bolster efforts to stop the bloodshed in Syria, and said he hoped the rebels "will win" their struggle.
In an interview with Israeli public radio, Peres said the "efforts of the international community are insufficient."
"We cannot remain indifferent to the tiny coffins that contain the bodies of children," he said ahead of a trip to Washington.
"The massacres get worse each day. It's shameful. I have the deepest respect for the rebels who expose themselves to live fire and I hope that they will win."
Deputy foreign minister Danny Ayalon also weighed in on the conflict in Syria on Sunday, saying Israel was ready to provide humanitarian assistance.
He said Israel was shocked by the situation in its northern neighbour and was willing to provide aid, including medicines and food.
"We are in contact with the International Committee of the Red Cross and other humanitarian organisations, and we have asked that injured people be evacuated to Jordan, where we can help them. But we are not in contact with the rebels -- that could harm them."
Israel remains formally at war with Syria, but the armistice line between the two countries has been largely quiet for years.
At the start of the uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in March last year, Israel said little publicly, with some analysts saying Assad's ouster could be bad for Israel.
But in recent months, Israeli politicians have said Assad's overthrow is a matter of time and have condemned the bloodshed in Syria, offering humanitarian assistance and expressing hope that the regime's collapse could weaken the position of arch foe Iran, a staunch ally of Assad.


http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=52738
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 05:10 PM


And now NATO turkey is going to pay a visit. You believe liars like erdogan?
Everything for peacefull turkish invasion right? Soon we will see damascus being bombed like baghdad, and CNN will broadcast it from TV. So we can have popcorn and enjoy syria being bombed because we dont care about the wars anyway because of Assad, every syrian will be bombed including alewites and christians.

They are hatefull against all arabs and muslims.
Reply

GuestFellow
06-27-2012, 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
This is the kurdish president of syrian national council:




Very clean shaved, hasnt a proper beard or hair, he looks very secular in my eyes.
Asslamu Aliakum,

How does a look determine whether someone is secular? :/ You can have a practicing Christian who looks like that.
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
Get hold of your emotions before you want to debate.
First of all i'm not whining over gaddafi's death or saddam's one. Problem is that you dont know that the USA and Israel both have supported these revolutions from the start. When people scream la ilaha ill Allah doesnt make them right. Many extremist salafis have done that before they blown themselves up in iraq(The US supported this) and Syria(See damascus twin bombings). And Allah have repeatedly said in the qu'ran that everyone who takes such christians and jews as their allies ( the ones who wage war on islam) that...well they dont end up good. This includes letting themselves being armed by them, i've shown you pics with western made rifles the FSA has.
emotionality is an adequate assessment of you no?? I believe that you're unable to counter anything I write with something other than emotion. Also it doesn't matter who the U.S and Israel support, condy already stated her vision 'for a new middle east' her vision and theirs didn't count on this however,

It is the will of the people that matter-what they support and what the people want are two seperate issues. I think you're under the impression that all those who take to the streets are idiots to the agenda and you're the only one privy to it.. Honestly get a hold of yourself. A7mdullilah that an 'Arab' spring did rise.. maybe it doesn't affect you personally and I don't see how it can penetrate your head what it means to live under biting injustice.. when you recite the Quran to someone oppressing you for them to tell you 'di isha3aat ya roo7 ummak' I think at that stage even living under kaffirs is better at least they're not under false pretense they're Muslims and behaving worse than kaffirs.

First of all i'm not even saying Assad is a saint, i even doubt he is arabic. He looks more like a khazar jew then a arab. Stop making such ridicilous claims, i never supported assad or any of them. This a sign of weakness and clearly shows that you have no arguments... Where is the tafsir of ibn kathir? I asked ofr it, never saw it. Yes Allah meant those people who turned towards HiM, and distant themselves from sins.
What do you want? what would you like to have happen with this endless diatribe? 'weakness' and 'no argument' is what you keep repeating on every thread. That doesn't counter or make an argument in an of itsef.. And what do you want tafsir ibn katheer for? you can barely tell a hadith that uhad from tawatur to act as if you're in the big leagues. Most of your Islamic education comes from conspiracy theories on the web.. how can you honestly expect anyone to take you seriousely?

Prophet muhammed(Saw) mentioned btw a TIME of oppression. Not where one dictator falls and suddenly a gov rises based on shariah. Its a period of time. And this will endure as long as Allah wills.
Your point being?

In case of Syrians, they were happy when the resistance started against Assad, what they dont knew was that both SAS/CIA where funneling arms from jordan and turkey mainly to strenghten the groups. The groups may not know themselves but the pigs of SNC surely know.
Even if true, again your point?

What good can come when this guy is gonna lead? He looks more like a woman than a man. lol. Clean shaved, very secular. His face: arrogant expression. Perhaps a new erdogan.
????

best
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 05:46 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال

Regular traditional Muslims can also perform these and not have them be accepted - People can read the Quran and not have it go past their throats. You're missing the point entirely.
Millions of Jews/Christians/ Buddhists also pray and do charitable things.. Why would you choose Islam as a religion if you can accomplish said deeds under any banner.
Both the sons of Adam gave offerings why was it accepted from one and not the other?
This isn't a thread on philosophy or comparative religion. It is about kaffirs spilling Muslim blood, whether or not those kaffirs are under the impression that they're Muslim!

best,
I think we are in agreement ! Any ones salah or haj can be nullified !

But that Job is ONLY Allahs alone !

Not you or I or google can decide who is a real muslim,

Nither can whabi extremists decide who is a kaffir and who is a Muslim !

I asked you for one name who had the authority to class Shia as non Muslims , you failed for obvious reasons as ONLY Allah alone hcan be the Judge of that

NOT YOU !

Sister ! YOU can't go around and tell Muslims you are or not a Muslim !

Espicaly when you use memri tv as a primary source of info !

Peace out !?!?
Reply

GuestFellow
06-27-2012, 05:48 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
emotionality is an adequate assessment of you no?? I believe that you're unable to counter anything I write with something other than emotion. Also it doesn't matter who the U.S and Israel support, condy already stated her vision 'for a new middle east' her vision and theirs didn't count on this however,
:wa:

Has the plan for the new middle east changed or altered by the Obama Administration? Just curious.
Reply

GuestFellow
06-27-2012, 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
I think we are in agreement ! Any ones salah or haj can be nullified !

But that Job is ONLY Allahs alone !

Not you or I or google can decide who is a real muslim,

Nither can whabi extremists decide who is a kaffir and who is a Muslim !

I asked you for one name who had the authority to class Shia as non Muslims , you failed for obvious reasons as ONLY Allah alone hcan be the Judge of that

NOT YOU !

Sister ! YOU can't go around and tell Muslims you are or not a Muslim !

Espicaly when you use memri tv as a primary source of info !

Peace out !?!?
Salaam,

She is a fluent Arabic speaker. I assume she can tell when the MEMRI tv is deliberately mistranslating the Arabic language.

As for all these uprising, I assume there will be people that will try to divide them up and try to influence them.
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 05:51 PM
Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
Has the plan for the new middle east changed or altered by the Obama Administration? Just curious.
American agenda has aways been the same, however, they're looking for an exist strategy from Afghanistan and it is failing, the economy is in the dumps, they're suffering an all time war fatigue and can't get their grip on what's going on all over the middle east.. they can't put their tentacles on every spot as they can barley fix their internal problems... so we have to wait and see where this goes..
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
Before the revolution libya didnt had a rothchild bank, now it has. Already had after a week of the uprising the benghazi bank was set up, now its dealing with interest, gadaffi kicked out US dollar and changed into gold currency which they didnt like. Its a fact and confirmed but that doesnt make him just. this is dajjal's work we are plainly decieved that this arab spring will result into the khilafah. I hope it will because Allah is the best of planners. Its politics chessboard.

We've seen revolutions in the past, mainly in Gaza when Hamas took power. Thats a revolution. They kicked out the IDF soldiers, now israel continues to besiege gaza with bombs and sanctions. But atleast gaza itself was freed from zionist police.

In case of Egypt, i will wait for a couple of months.
:sl:
BINGO !

Spot on ,

Marshalla you only 16 ,?

Beware of those who try and devide the ummah
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
I think we are in agreement ! Any ones salah or haj can be nullified !

But that Job is ONLY Allahs alone !

Not you or I or google can decide who is a real muslim,

Nither can whabi extremists decide who is a kaffir and who is a Muslim !

I asked you for one name who had the authority to class Shia as non Muslims , you failed for obvious reasons as ONLY Allah alone hcan be the Judge of that

NOT YOU !

Sister ! YOU can't go around and tell Muslims you are or not a Muslim !

Espicaly when you use memri tv as a primary source of info !

Peace out !?!?
I am tired of replying to your rafidi shi3a nonsense.. you don't seem to be able to read which is a symptom many suffer from here:






there you have it loads of scholar debating kaffir shi3a and exposing their kuffr,
and here's a kaffir shi3a cursing the prophet and sahaba


not difficult really.. you wanted one and there you have a ton!

best
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 06:31 PM
Sis, when you find me talking to you in real life, u will find me speaking calmly not nervous or stressing. This is just how i express myself doesnt mean i'm forcing anyone to believe what i say. there are alot of misguiding agendas going on in this world, its hard to dont fall in it. dajjal can make someone his follower in one day. Also these times is when someone wakes as a believer and at the end of the day he is a kafir. I'm not showing emotions because it comes from the nafs, women are normally more emotional then men. This is what i was referring to. Thats why in marriage women are made to follow men, and wonder why every prophet(As) were men and not women? Anyway its not the subject of today.

Point, is appearance is different from reality today. When the American put on his TV, and saw on CNN America bombings in iraq he thought that it was against military targets, later on it showed that this were hotels, civilian houses, schools, masjids and so on.

Israel is only supporting this revolution with arms and such because they want a anti-iran government. So the arab people will support the US/israeli invasion of iran which is about to come also. You better watch out what you are supporting or anything, there is a media war going on since a couple of years, its based on targeting your mind. Also YT is a snake nest full with CIA and zionists, same with facebook.

And sis, one question, do you hate all sects except your own one? Which sect do you belong to?

I am neither shia or sunni, or wahhabi. i'm Ahlus sunnah, the real one and only one.
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 06:37 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
And sis, one question, do you hate all sects except your own one? Which sect do you belong to?
I don't belong to a sect. I belong to ahel as'sunnah wal'jama3a i.e traditional Islam as brought by the prophet and followed by him and as'sabeqeen. Any one who chooses sectarianism has chosen hell for themselves and it is their choice and prerogative, it doesn't concern me, save when they're using that to kill, rape or curse the prophet and sahaba or cast doubt on their characters or make halal or haram and lie about Islam, the sahaba and prophets.

Hadith no: 110
Narrated: Abu Huraira
The Prophet said, "Name yourselves with my name (use my name) but do not name yourselves with my Kunya name (i.e. Abu-l Qasim). And whoever sees me in a dream then surely he has seen me for Satan cannot impersonate me. And whoever tells a lie against me (intentionally), then (surely) let him occupy his seat in Hell-fire."
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
Salaam,

She is a fluent Arabic speaker. I assume she can tell when the MEMRI tv is deliberately mistranslating the Arabic language.

As for all these uprising, I assume there will be people that will try to divide them up and try to influence them.
Memri tv is possibly the most anti Islamic Corp in planet !

I find it odd a Muslim use it for a primary spice of info !

I find it even more odd auslim would support a NATO attack on
Syria
Iran
Hezbollah
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 06:43 PM
Me to but we cant allow other sects to be exterminated because of stupidness. now some extremist salafi scholars want the syrians to totally wipe out the alewites.Totally. no one left anymore, do you support that either? Thats not how a war is fought, we muslims arent Americans. Are you allowing innocent kids to be slaughtered by opposition groups either because these kids are alewites? Only because Assad started to went ape **** either?

and this: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0bc_1339637024 ? Is this how we deal with prisoners? Or government supporters?

http://www.hrw.org/node/105885

Only because the kafir does the same we dont have o do it back. Thats insanity and childish.
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 06:46 PM
Sister ( who supports NATO )

I am not a Shia ,


However you calling me a Shia proves you cam not refute me !

NO ONE ON THIS WORLD CAN DO ALKAHS JOB !

You suggest you vids can

I think you are on the wrong path !

Espicaly as you support the kaffir war
Against
Syria
Iran
And Hezbollah
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 06:48 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
Me to but we cant allow other sects to be exterminated because of stupidness. now the some extremist salafi scholars want the syrians to totally wipe out the alewites.Totally. no one left anymore, do you support that either? Thats not how a war is fought, we muslims arent Americans.
No real Muslim will supprting the destruction of another Muslim sect !


However the zionists have publicaly announced some time ago they spent at least 160 million on propaganda trying too demonise islam and I'm sure a big chunk of that cash went on devide and conquer !!
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 06:52 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
No real Muslim will supprting the destruction of another Muslim sect !


However the zionists have publicaly announced some time ago they spent at least 160 million on propaganda trying too demonise islam and I'm sure a big chunk of that cash went on devide and conquer !!
Thats very true, they want this. There are millions and millions of arabs. They want these arabs to be killed for their own reasons, they want much less and weak resistance. Its extremes right there and to be honest bro, i've talked with syrians they dont like Assad but dont like some groups either because they think they're supported by the west.

Its extremes vs extremes only to pave the way for - US invasion. Alewites vs wahhabis, 2 agendas pushed by the world elite. And guess who rised from the najd region?

Puncturing the Devil’s Dream
about the Hadiths of Najd and TamimKerim Fenari

he land known as Najd, which for two centuries has been the crucible of the Wahhabi doctrine, is the subject of a body of interesting hadiths and early narrations which repay close analysis. Among the best-known of these hadiths is the relation of Imam al-Bukhari in which Ibn Umar said: ‘The Prophet (s.w.s.) mentioned: "O Allah, give us baraka in our Syria, O Allah, give us baraka in our Yemen." They said: "And in our Najd?" and he said: "O Allah, give us baraka in our Syria, O Allah, give usbaraka in our Yemen." They said: "And in our Najd?" and I believe that he said the third time: "In that place are earthquakes, and seditions, and in that place shall rise the devil’s horn [qarn al-shaytan]."’
This hadith is clearly unpalatable to the Najdites themselves, some of whom to this day strive to persuade Muslims from more reputable districts that the hadith does not mean what it clearly says. One device used by such apologists is to utilise a definition which includes Iraq in the frontiers of Najd. By this manoeuvre, the Najdis draw the conclusion that the part of Najd which is condemned so strongly in this hadith is in fact Iraq, and that Najd proper is excluded. Medieval Islamic geographers contest this inherently strange thesis (see for instance Ibn Khurradadhbih, al-Masalik wa’l-mamalik [Leiden, 1887], 125; Ibn Hawqal, Kitab Surat al-ard [Beirut, 1968],18); and limit the northern extent of Najd at Wadi al-Rumma, or to the deserts to the south of al-Mada’in. There is no indication that the places in which the second wave of sedition arose, such as Kufa and Basra, were associated in the mind of the first Muslims with the term ‘Najd’. On the contrary, these places are in every case identified as lying within the land of Iraq.
The evasion of this early understanding of the term in order to exclude Najd, as usually understood, from the purport of the hadith of Najd, has required considerable ingenuity from pro-Najdi writers in the present day. Some apologists attempt to conflate this hadith with a group of other hadiths which associate the ‘devil’s horn’ with ‘the East’, which is supposedly a generic reference to Iraq. While it is true that some late-medieval commentaries also incline to this view, modern geographical knowledge clearly rules it out. Even the briefest glimpse at a modern atlas will show that a straight line drawn to the east of al-Madina al-Munawwara does not pass anywhere near Iraq, but passes some distance to the south of Riyadh; that is to say, through the exact centre of Najd. The hadiths which speak of ‘the East’ in this context hence support the view that Najd is indicated, not Iraq.
On occasion the pro-Najdi apologists also cite the etymological sense of the Arabic word najd, which means ‘high ground’. Again, a brief consultation of an atlas resolves this matter decisively. With the exception of present-day northern Iraq, which was not considered part of Iraq by any Muslim until the present century (it was called ‘al-Jazira’), Iraq is notably flat and low-lying, much of it even today being marshland, while the remainder, up to and well to the north of Baghdad, is flat, low desert or agricultural land. Najd, by contrast, is mostly plateau, culminating in peaks such as Jabal Tayyi‘ (4,500 feet), in the Jabal Shammar range. It is hard to see how the Arabs could have routinely applied a topographic term meaning ‘upland’ to the flat terrain of southern Iraq (the same territory which proved so suitable for tank warfare during the ‘Gulf War’, that notorious source of dispute between Riyadh’s ‘Cavaliers’ and ‘Roundheads’).
Confirmation of this identification is easily located in the hadith literature, which contains numerous references to Najd, all of which clearly denote Central Arabia. To take a few examples out of many dozens: there is the hadith narrated by Abu Daud (Salat al-Safar, 15), which runs: ‘We went out to Najd with Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) until we arrived at Dhat al-Riqa‘, where he met a group from Ghatafan [a Najdite tribe].’ In Tirmidhi (Hajj, 57), there is the record of an encounter between the Messenger (s.w.s.) and a Najdi delegation which he received at Arafa (see also Ibn Maja, Manasik, 57). In no such case does the Sunna indicate that Iraq was somehow included in the Prophetic definition of ‘Najd’.
Further evidence can be cited from the cluster of hadiths which identify the miqatpoints for pilgrims. In a hadith narrated by Imam Nasa’i (Manasik al-Hajj, 22), ‘A’isha (r.a.) declared that ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) establised the miqat for the people of Madina at Dhu’l-Hulayfa, for the people of Syria and Egypt at al-Juhfa, for the people of Iraq at Dhat Irq, and for the people of Najd at Qarn, and for the Yemenis at Yalamlam.’ Imam Muslim (Hajj, 2) narrates a similar hadith: ‘for the people of Madina it is Dhu’l-Hulayfa - while on the other road it is al-Juhfa - for the people of Iraq it is Dhat Irq, for the people of Najd it is Qarn, and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.’
These texts constitute unarguable proof that the Prophet (s.w.s.) distinguished between Najd and Iraq, so much so that he appointed two separate miqat points for the inhabitants of each. For him, clearly, Najd did not include Iraq.
There are many hadiths in which the Messenger (s.w.s.) praised particular lands. It is significant that although Najd is the closest of lands to Makka and Madina, it is not praised by any one of these hadiths. The first hadith cited above shows the Messenger’s willingness to pray for Syria and Yemen, and his insistent refusal to pray for Najd. And wherever Najd is mentioned, it is clearly seen as a problematic territory. Consider, for instance, the following noble hadith:
Amr ibn Abasa said: ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) was one day reviewing the horses, in the company of Uyayna ibn Hisn ibn Badr al-Fazari. [. . .] Uyayna remarked: "The best of men are those who bear their swords on their shoulders, and carry their lances in the woven stocks of their horses, wearing cloaks, and are the people of the Najd." But Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) replied: "You lie! Rather, the best of men are the men of the Yemen. Faith is a Yemeni, the Yemen of [the tribes of] Lakhm and Judham and Amila. [. . .] Hadramawt is better than the tribe of Harith; one tribe is better than another; another is worse [. . .] My Lord commanded me to curse Quraysh, and I cursed them, but he then commanded me to bless them twice, and I did so [. . .] Aslam and Ghifar, and their associates of Juhaina, are better than Asad and Tamim and Ghatafan and Hawazin, in the sight of Allah on the Day of Rising. [. . .] The most numerous tribe in the Garden shall be [the Yemeni tribes of] Madhhij and Ma’kul.’ (Ahmad ibn Hanbal and al-Tabarani, by sound narrators. Cited in Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, Majma al-zawa’id wa manba‘ al-fawa’id [Cairo, 1352], X, 43).
The Messenger says ‘You lie!’ to a man who praises Najd. Nowhere does he extol Najd - quite the contrary. But other hadiths in praise of other lands abound. For instance:
Umm Salama narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) gave the following counsel on his deathbed: ‘By Allah, I adjure you by Him, concerning the Egyptians, for you shall be victorious over them, and they will be a support for you and helpers in Allah’s path.’ (Tabarani, classed by al-Haythami as sahih [Majma‘, X, 63].) (For more on the merit of the Egyptians see Sahih Muslim, commentary by Imam al-Nawawi [Cairo, 1347], XVI, 96-7.)
Qays ibn Sa‘d narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) said: ‘Were faith to be suspended from the Pleiades, men from the sons of Faris [south-central Iran] would reach it.’ (Narrated in the Musnads of both Abu Ya‘la and al-Bazzar, classified asSahih by al-Haythami. Majma, X, 64-5. See further Nawawi’s commentary to Sahih Muslim, XVI, 100.)
Allah’s messenger said: ‘Tranquillity (sakina) is in the people of the Hijaz.’ (al-Bazzar, cited in Haythami, X, 53.)
On the authority of Abu’l-Darda (r.a.), the Messenger of Allah (s.w.s.) said: ‘You will find armies. An army in Syria, in Egypt, in Iraq and in the Yemen.’ (Bazzar and Tabarani, classified as sahih: al-Haythami, Majma, X, 58.) This constitutes praise for these lands as homes of jihad volunteers.
‘The angels of the All-Compassionate spread their wings over Syria.’ (Tabarani, classed as sahih: Majma, X, 60. See also Tirmidhi, commentary of Imam Muhammad ibn Abd al-Rahman al-Mubarakfuri: Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi bi-sharh Jami‘ al-Tirmidhi, X, 454; who confirms it as hasan sahih.)
Abu Hurayra narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s) said: ‘The people of Yemen have come to you. They are tenderer of heart, and more delicate of soul. Faith is a Yemeni, and wisdom is a Yemeni.’ (Tirmidhi, Fi fadl al-Yaman, no.4028. Mubarakfuri, X, 435, 437: hadith hasan sahih. On page 436 Imam Mubarakfuri points out that the ancestors of the Ansar were from the Yemen.)
‘The people of the Yemen are the best people on earth’. (Abu Ya‘la and Bazzar, classified as sahih. Haythami, X, 54-5.)
Allah’s Messenger (s) sent a man to one of the clans of the Arabs, but they insulted and beat him. He came to Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) and told him what had occurred. And the Messenger (s) said, ‘Had you gone to the people of Oman, they would not have insulted or beaten you.’ (Muslim, Fada’il al-Sahaba, 57. See Nawawi’s commentary, XVI, 98: ‘this indicates praise for them, and their merit.’)
The above hadiths are culled from a substantial corpus of material which records the Messenger (s.w.s.) praising neighbouring regions. Again, it is striking that although Najd was closer than any other, hadiths in praise of it are completely absent.
This fact is generally known, although not publicised, by Najdites themselves. In an attempt to circumvent or neutralise the explicit and implicit Prophetic condemnation of their province, some refuse to consider that the territorial hadiths might be in any way worthy of attention, and focus their comments on the tribal groupings who dwell in Najd.
The best-known tribe of Central Arabia are the Banu Tamim. There are hadiths which praise virtually all of the major Arab tribal groups, and to indicate the extent of this praise a few examples are listed here:
Allah’s Messenger (s) said: ‘O Allah, bless [the tribe of] Ahmas and its horses and its men sevenfold.’ (Ibn Hanbal, in Haythami, Majma X, 49. According to al-Haythami its narrators are all trustworthy.)
Ghalib b. Abjur said: ‘I mentioned Qays in the presence of Allah’s Messenger (s) and he said, "May Allah show His mercy to Qays." He was asked, "O Messenger of God! Are you asking for His mercy for Qays?" and he replied, "Yes. He followed the religion of our father Ismail b. Ibrahim, Allah’s Friend. Qays! Salute our Yemen! Yemen! Salute our Qays! Qays are Allah’s cavalry upon the earth."’ (Tabarani, declared sahih by al-Haythami, X, 49.)
Abu Hurayra narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s) said: ‘How excellent a people are Azd, sweet-mouthed, honouring their vows, and pure of heart!’ (Ibn Hanbal via a good (hasan) isnad, according to Haythami, X, 49.)
Anas b. Malik said: ‘If we are not from Azd, we are not from the human race.’ (Tirmidhi, Manaqib, 72; confirmed by Mubarakfuri, X, 439 as hasan gharib sahih.)
Abdallah ibn Mas‘ud said: ‘I witnessed Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) praying for this clan of Nakh‘.’ Or he said: ‘He praised them until I wished that I was one of them.’ (Ibn Hanbal, with a sound isnad. Haythami, X, 51.)
On the authority of Abdallah ibn Amr ibn al-As, who said: ‘I heard Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) saying: "This command [the Caliphate] shall be in Quraysh. No-one shall oppose them without being cast down on his face by Allah, for as long as they establish the religion."’ (Bukhari, Manaqib, 2.)
The hadith which appears to praise Tamim is hence not exceptional, and can by no stretch of the imagination be employed to indicate Tamim’s superiority over other tribes. In fact, out of this vast literature on the merits of the tribes, only one significant account praises Tamim. This runs as follows: Abu Hurayra said: ‘I have continued to love Banu Tamim after I heard three things concerning them from Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.). "They will be the sternest of my Umma against the Dajjal; one of them was a captive owned by ‘A’isha, and he said: ‘Free her, for she is a descendent of Ismail;’ and when their zakat came, he said: ‘This is the zakat of a people,’ or ‘of my people’."’ (Bukhari, Maghazi, 68.)
This hadith clearly indicates that the rigour of the Tamimites will be used for, and not against, Islam in the final culminating battle against the Dajjal; and this is unquestionably a merit. The second point is less significant, since all the Arabs are descendents of Ismail; while the variant readings of the third point make it difficult to establish its significance in an unambiguous way. Even the most positive interpretation, however, allows us to conclude no more than that the Messenger (s.w.s.) was pleased with that tribe at the moment it paid its zakat. As we shall see, its payment ofzakat proved to be short-lived.
Far more numerous are the hadiths which explicitly critique the Tamimites. These hadiths are usually disregarded by pro-Najdite apologists; but traditional Islamic scholarship demands that all, not merely some, of the evidence be mustered and taken as a whole before a verdict can be reached. And a consideration of the abundant critical material on Tamim demonstrates beyond any doubt that this tribe was regarded by the Messenger (s.w.s.) and by the Salaf as deeply problematic.
An early indication of the nature of the Tamimites is given by Allah himself in Sura al-Hujurat. In aya 4 of this sura, He says: ‘Those who call you from behind the chambers: most of them have no sense.’ The occasion for revelation (sabab al-nuzul) here was as follows:
‘The "chambers" (hujurat) were places enclosed by walls. Each of the wives of Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) had one of them. The aya was revealed in connection with the delegation of the Banu Tamim who came to the Prophet (s.w.s.). They entered the mosque, and approached the chambers of his wives. They stood outside them and called: "Muhammad! Come out to us!" an action which expressed a good deal of harshness, crudeness and disrespect. Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) waited a while, and then came out to them. One of them, known as al-Aqra‘ ibn Habis, said: "Muhammad! To praise me is beautiful, and to criticise me is shameful!" And the Messenger (s.w.s.) replied: "Woe betide you! That is the due of Allah."’ (Imam Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Juzayy, al-Tashil [Beirut, 1403], p.702. See also the other tafsir works; also Ibn Hazm, Jamharat ansab al-‘Arab [Cairo, 1382], 208, in the chapter on Tamim.)
In addition to this Qur’anic critique, abundant hadiths also furnish the Umma with advice about this tribe:
On the authority of Imran ibn Husayn (r.a.): ‘A group of Tamimites came to the Prophet (s.w.s.), and he said: "O tribe of Tamim! Receive good news!" "You promise us good news, so give us something [money]!" they replied. And his face changed. Then some Yemenis came, and he said: "O people of Yemen! Accept good news, even though the tribe of Tamim have not accepted it!" And they said: "We accept." And the Prophet (s.w.s.) began to speak about the beginning of creation, and about the Throne.’ (Bukhari, Bad’ al-Khalq, 1.)
An attribute recurrently ascribed to the Tamimites in the hadith literature is that of misplaced zeal. They are associated with a fanatical form of piety that demands simple and rigid adherence, rather than understanding; and which frequently defies the established authorities of the religion. Imam Muslim records a narration from Abdallah ibn Shaqiq which runs: ‘Ibn Abbas once preached to us after the asr prayer, until the sun set and the stars appeared, and people began to say: "The prayer! The prayer!" A man of the Banu Tamim came up to him and said, constantly and insistently: "The prayer! The prayer!" And Ibn Abbas replied: "Are you teaching me the sunna, you wretch?"’ (Muslim, Salat al-Musafirin, 6.)
Perhaps the best-known of any hadith about a Tamimite, which again draws our attention to their misplaced zeal, is the hadith of Dhu’l-Khuwaysira:
Abu Sa‘id al-Khudri (r.a.) said: ‘We were once in the presence of Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) while he was dividing the spoils of war. Dhu’l-Khuwaysira, a man of the Tamim tribe, came up to him and said: "Messenger of Allah, be fair!" He replied: "Woe betide you! Who will be fair if I am not? You are lost and disappointed if I am not fair!" And Umar (r.a.) said, "Messenger of Allah! Give me permission to deal with him, so that I can cut off his head!" But he said: "Let him be. And he has companions. One of you would despise his prayer in their company, and his fast in their company. They recite the Qur’an but it goes no further than their collarbones. They pass through religion as an arrow passes through its target."’ Abu Sa‘id continued: ‘I swear that I was present when Ali ibn Abi Talib fought against them. He ordered that that man be sought out, and he was brought to us.’ (Bukhari, Manaqib, 25. For the ‘passing through’ see Abu’l-Abbas al-Mubarrad, al-Kamil, chapter on ‘Akhbar al-Khawarij’ published separately by Dar al-Fikr al-Hadith [Beirut n.d.], pp.23-4: ‘usually when this happens none of the target’s blood remains upon it’.)
This hadith is taken by the exegetes as a prophecy, and a warning, about the nature of the Kharijites. There is a certain type of believing zealot who goes into religion so hard that he comes out the other side, with little or nothing of it remaining with him. One expert who confirms this is the Hanbali scholar Ibn al-Jawzi, well-known for his hagiographies of Ma‘ruf al-Karkhi and Rabi‘a al-Adawiya. In his book Talbis Iblis. (Beirut, 1403, p.88) under the chapter heading ‘A Mention of the Devil’s Delusion upon the Kharijites’ he narrates the hadith, and then writes: ‘This man was called Dhu al-Khuwaysira al-Tamimi. [...] He was the first Kharijite in Islam. His fault was to be satisfied with his own view; had he paused he would have realised that there is no view superior to that of Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.).’
Ibn al-Jawzi goes on to document the development of the Kharijite movement, and the central role played by the tribe of Tamim in it. Hence (p.89) ‘The commander of the fight [against the Sunnis, at Harura] was Shabib ibn Rab‘i al-Tamimi’; also (p.92) ‘Amr ibn Bakr al-Tamimi agreed to murder Umar’. All this even though their camp sounded like a beehive, so assiduously were they reciting the Qur’an (p.91).
The Kharijite movement proper commenced at the Siffin arbitration, when the first dissenters left the army of the khalifa Ali (k.A.w.). One of them was Abu Bilal Mirdas, a member of the tribe of Tamim (Ibn Hazm, 223), who despite his constant worship and recitation of the Qur’an became one of the most brutal of the Kharijite zealots. He is remembered as the first who said the Tahkim - the formula ‘The judgment is Allah’s alone’ - on the Day of Siffin, which became the slogan of later Kharijite activism.
In his long analysis of the Kharijite movement, Imam Abd al-Qahir al-Baghdadi also describes the intimate involvement of Tamimites, and of Central Arabians generally, noting that the tribes of Yemen and Hijaz contributed hardly anyone to the Kharijite forces. He gives an account of Dhu’l-Khuwaysira’s later Kharijite activism. Appearing before Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib (k.A.w.) he says: ‘Ibn Abi Talib! I am only fighting you for the sake of Allah and the Afterlife!’ to which Imam Ali replies: ‘Nay, you are like those of whom Allah says, "Shall I inform you who are the ones whose works are most in loss? It is they whose efforts are astray in the life of this world, but who think that they are doing good!" [Kahf, 103].’ (Imam Abd al-Qahir al-Baghdadi,al-Farq bayn al-firaq (Cairo, n.d.), 80; see the note to p.76 for the full identification of Dhu’l-Khuwaysira.)
As Imam Abd al-Qahir gives his account of the early Kharijite rebellions, replete with appalling massacres of innocent Muslim civilians, he makes it clear that the leaders of each of the significant Kharijite movements hailed from Najd. For instance, the Azariqa, one of the most vicious and widespread Khariji movements, were led by Nafi‘ ibn al-Azraq, who was from the Central Arabian tribe of Banu Hanifa (Abd al-Qahir, 82). As the Imam records, ‘Nafi and his followers considered the territory of those who opposed them to be Dar al-Kufr, in which one could slaughter their women and children. [. . .] They used to say: "Our opponents are mushriks, and hence we are not obliged to return anything we hold in trust to them.’ (Abd al-Qahir, 84.) After his death in battle, ‘the Azariqa pledged their allegiance to Ubaydallah ibn Ma’mun al-Tamimi. Al-Muhallab then fought them at Ahwaz, where Ubaidallah ibn Ma’mun himself died, along with his brother Uthman ibn Ma’mun and three hundred of the most fanatical of the Azariqa. The remainder retreated to Aydaj, where they pledged their allegiance to Qatari ibn al-Fuja’a, whom they called Amir al-Mu’minin.’ (Abd al-Qahir, 85-6.) The commentator to Abd al-Qahir’s text reminds us that Ibn Fuja’a was also of Tamim (p.86).
The Azariqa, who massacred countless tens of thousands of Muslims who refused to accept their views, had a rival in the Najdiyya faction of the Kharijites. These were named after Najda ibn Amir, a member of the tribe of Hanifa whose homeland is Najd; Najda himself maintained his army in Yamama, which is part of Najd. (Abd al-Qahir, 87.)
As is the way with Kharijism in all ages, the Najdiyya fragmented amid heated arguments generated by their intolerance of any dissent. The causes of this schism included the Kharijite attack on Madina, which came away with many captives; and different Kharijite ijtihads over sexual relations with Muslim women who, not being Kharijites, they had enslaved. Three major factions emerged from this split, the most dangerous of which was led by Atiyya ibn al-Aswad, again of the tribe of Hanifa. Following Najda’s death, his own faction split, again into three, one of which left Najd to raid the vicinity of Basra (Abd al-Qahir, 90-1).
The last major Kharijite sect was the Ibadiyya, which, in a gentler and much attenuated form, retains a presence even today in Zanzibar, southern Algeria, and Oman. The movement was founded by Abdallah ibn Ibad, another Tamimi. Its best-known doctrine is that non-Ibadis are kuffar: they are not mu’mins, but they are notmushriks either. ‘They forbid secret assassinations [of non-Ibadis], but allow open battles. They allow marriages [with non-Ibadis], and inheritance from them. They claim that all this is to aid them in their war for Allah and His Messenger.’ (Abd al-Qahir, 103.)
The best-known woman among the Kharijites was Qutam bint ‘Alqama, a member of the Tamimite tribe. She is remembered as the one who told her bridegroom, Ibn Muljam, that ‘I will only accept you as my husband at a dowry which I myself must name, which is three thousands dirhams, a male and a female slave, and the murder of Ali!’ He asked, ‘You shall have all that, but how may I accomplish it?’ and she replied, ‘Take him by surprise. If you escape, you will have rescued the people from evil, and will live with your wife; while if you die in the attempt, you will go on to the Garden and a delight that shall never end!’ (Mubarrad, 27.) As is generally known, Ibn Muljam was executed after he stabbed Ali to death outside the mosque in Kufa.
Muslims anxious not to repeat the tragic errors of the past will wish to reflect deeply upon this pattern of events. Tens of thousands of Muslims, absolutely committed to the faith and outstanding for their practical piety, nonetheless fell prey to the Kharijite temptation. The ulema trace the origins of that temptation back to the incident of Dhu’l-Khuwaysira, who considered himself a better Muslim than the Prophet himself (s.w.s.). And he, like the overwhelming majority of the Kharijite leaders who followed in his footsteps, was a Tamimi. Of the non-Tamimi Kharijites, almost all were from Najd.
There is a final issue which Muslims will wish to consider when forming their view of Najd. This is the attitude of the Najdis following the death of the Messenger (s.w.s.). The historians affirm that the great majority of the rebellions against the payment ofzakat which broke out during the khilafa of Abu Bakr (r.a.) took place among Najdis. Moreoever, and even more significantly, many of the the Najdi rebellions were grounded in a strange anti-Islamic ideology. The best-known of these was led by Musaylima, who claimed to be a prophet, and who established a rival shari‘awhich included quasi-Muslim rituals such as forms of fasting and dietary rules. He also prescribed prayers three times a day, a view that may have influenced the similar ruling in Twelver Shi‘ism. As leader of a rival religion, he and his Najdi enthusiasts were in a state of baghy, heretical revolt against due caliphal authority, and Abu Bakr (r.a.) sent an army against them under Khalid ibn al-Walid. In the year 12 of the Hijra Khalid defeated the Najdis at the Battle of al-Aqraba, a bloody clash that centred on a walled garden which is known to our historians as the Garden of Death, because many great Companions lost their lives there at the hands of the Najdis. (See Abdallah ibn Muslim Ibn Qutayba, Kitab al-Ma‘arif (Cairo, 1960), p.206; Ahmad ibn Yahya al-Baladhuri, Futuh al-buldan (repr. Beirut, n.d., 86.) An indication of the continuity of Najdi religious life is given by the non-Muslim traveller Palgrave, who as late as 1862 found that some Najdi tribesmen continued to revere Musaylima as a prophet. (W. Palgrave, Narrative of a year’s journey through Central and Eastern Arabia [London, 1865], I, 382.)
The other ringleader of Najdi rebellion against the khilafa was a woman known as Sajah, whose full name was Umm Sadir bint Aws, and who belonged to the tribe of Tamim. She made claims to prophethood in the name of a rabb who was ‘in the clouds’, and who gave her revelations by which she succeeded in uniting sections of the Tamim who had argued among themselves over the extent to which they should reject the authority of Madina. Leading several campaigns against tribes who remained loyal to Islam, the Najdi prophetess is said to have thrown in her lot with Musaylima. Other than this, little is known of her fate. (Ibn Qutayba, Ma‘arif, p.405; Baladhuri, Futuh, pp.99-100.)
To all of this evidence, we may add the striking fact that not one of the greatmuhaddiths, mufassirs, grammarians, historians, or mujahids, has emerged from the land of Najd, despite the extraordinary and blessed profusion of such people in other Islamic lands.
[IMG]http://www.***********/images/clouds.gif[/IMG]
CONCLUSION
A good deal of material concerning Najd and Tamim has been preserved from the time of the Salaf. If we reject the method of some Najdi apologists, a method based on the highly selective quotation of hadiths coupled with the blind imitation of opinions expressed by late-medieval commentary writers, we may reach some reasonably settled and authoritative conclusions regarding Central Arabia and its people. The Qur’an, the sound Hadith, and the experience of the Salaf overwhelmingly concur that Central Arabia is a region of fitna. The first of all fitnas in Islam emerged from that place, notably the arrogance of Dhu’l-Khuwaysira and his like, and also the apostasy and fondness for false prophets which caused such difficulty for Abu Bakr. Subsequently, the Kharijite heresy, overwhelmingly Najdi in its roots, cast a long shadow over the early history of Islam, dividing the Muslims, distracting their armies from the task of conquering Byzantium, and injecting rancour, suspicion, and bitterness among the very earliest generations of Muslims. Only the most determined, blinkered and irresponsible Najdi sympathiser could ignore this evidence, transmitted so reliably from the pure Salaf, and persist in the delusion that Najd and the misguided, literalistic rigorism which it recurrently produces, is somehow an area favoured by Allah.
And Allah knows best. May He unite the Umma through love for the early Muslims who refused bigotry, and may He preserve us from the trap of Kharijism and those who are attracted to its mindset in our time. Amin.

Reply

GuestFellow
06-27-2012, 06:56 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Memri tv is possibly the most anti Islamic Corp in planet !
It depends on how the source is used.
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 07:25 PM
Everyone says that ''the khilafah is rising, its rising''. but they're ignoring hadeeth like this, wasnt ismael(As) saying that his seed would be destroyed at the end times? This is the prelude for a **** world war. no victory yet. I'm not wanting it, but no one can deny the predictions of our nabi(Saw)

(2) Narrated Zainab bint Jahsh: That the Prophet once came to her in a state of fear and said, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah. Woe unto the Arabs from a danger that has come near. An opening has been made in the wall of gog and Magog like this," making a circle with his thumb and index finger. Zainab bint Jahsh said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we be destroyed even though there are pious persons among us?" He said, "Yes, when the evil person will increase." (Book #55, Hadith #565)


Arabs or atleast a portion will be destroyed, this hadith explains it.


Book 41, Number 6924:Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A'maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Medina (to counteract them). When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans would say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them. They will then fight and a third (part) of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army). which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah's eye, would be killed ani the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople. And as they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry: The Dajjal has taken your place among your family. They would then come out, but it would be of no avail. And when they would come to Syria, he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks. Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Jesus (peace be upon him) son of Mary would descend and would lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would (disappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ).

Book 41, Number 6927:Yusair b. Jabir reported: Once there blew a red storm in Kufah that there came a person who had nothing to say but (these words): Abdullah b. Mas'ud, the Last Hour has come. He ('Abdullah b. Mas'ud) was sitting reclining against something, and he said: The Last Hour would not come until the people divide in- heritance and rejoice over booty, and then said pointing towards Syria, with the gesture of his hand like this: The enemy shall muster strength against Muslims and the Muslims will muster strength against them (Syrians). I said: You mean Rome? And he said: Yes, and there would be a terrible fight and the Muslims would prepare a detachment (for fighting unto death) which would not return but victorious. They will fight until night will intervene them; both the sides will return without being victorious and both will be wiped out. The Muslims will again prepare a detachment for fighting unto death so that they may not return but victorious. When it would be the fourth day, a new detachment out of the remnant of the Muslims would be prepared and Allah will decree that the enemy should be routed. And they would fight such a fight the like of which would not be seen, so much so that even if a bird were to pass their flanks, it would fall down dead before reaching the end of them. (There would be such a largescale massacre) that when counting would be done, (only) one out of a hundred men related to one another would be found alive. So what can be the joy at the spoils of such war and what inheritance would be divided ! They would be in this very state that they would hear of a calamity more horrible than this. And a cry would reach them: The Dajjil has taken your place among your off- spring. They will, therefore, throw away what would be in their hands and go forward sending ten horsemen,as a scouting party. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I know their names and the names of their forefathers and the colour of their horses. They will be best horsemen on the surface of the earth on that day or amongst the best horsemen on the surface of the earth on that day.



Book 41, Number 6930:Nafi' b. Utba reported: We were with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) in an expedition that there came a people to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) from the direction of the west. They were dressed in woollen clothes and they stood near a hillock and they met him as Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was sitting. I said to myself: Better go to them and stand between him and them that they may not attack him. Then I thought that perhaps there had been going on secret negotiation amongst them. I however, went to them and btood between them and him and I remember four of the words (on that occasion) which I repeat (on the fingers of my hand) that he (Allah's Messenger) said: You will attack Arabia and Allah will enable you to conquer it, then you would attack Persia and He would make you to Conquer it. Then you would attack Rome and AllgLh will enable you to conquer it, then you would attack the Dajjal and Allah will enable you to conquer him. Nafi' said: Jabir, we thought that the Dajjal would appear after Rome (Syrian territory) would be conquered.

(2) Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The flourishing state of jerusalem will be when Yathrib is in ruins, the ruined state of Yathrib will be when the great war comes, the outbreak of the great war will be at the conquest of Constantinople and the conquest of Constantinople when the Dajjal (Antichrist) comes forth. He (the Prophet) struck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu'adh ibn Jabal). (Book #37, Hadith #4281)




Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 07:34 PM
so anyone who denies now need to check their brains openly.
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 07:46 PM
Sanctions Against Iraq, Syria and Egypt
Muslim: Book 41, Number 6961:

Abu Nadra reported: We were in the company of Jabir b. 'Abdulldh that he said it may happen that the people of Iraq may not send their qafiz and dirhams (their measures of food stuff and their money). We said, “Who would be respolisible for it?” He said, “The non-Arabs would prevent them.” He again said, “There is the possibility that the people of Syria may not send their dinar and mudd.” We said, “Who would be responsible for it?” He said, “This prevention would be made by the Romans.” He (Jabir b. Abdullab) kept quiet for a while and then reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said There would be a caliph in the last (period) of my Ummah who would freely give handfuls of wealth to the people without counting it. I said to Abu Nadra and Abu al-'Ala, “DO you mean 'Umarb. 'Abd al-Aziz?” They said, “No (he would be Imam Mahdi).”

[/youtube]

Here the horse mouth



Did you there were sanctions on syria already since 2002?

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/174252.pdf
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 08:15 PM
Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
It depends on how the source is used.
Used by shiites and 16 year olds.. what else is left to say?

I am unsubscribing from yet another highly comical thread... truly, little knowledge is a dangerous thing -


:w:
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 08:21 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
Used by shiites and 16 year olds.. what else is left to say?

I am unsubscribing from yet another highly comical thread... truly, little knowledge is a dangerous thing -


:w:
Escapist attitude. Go watch al-jewzeera or something lol. Let me say that the one who claims to be right has ran away from her own topic? Because you are out of arguments? You even dont know me, how much i read about history/tactics. Go support that so-called revolution if you want, like the M16's , stinger missles popped out of nowhere lol

Willing to stand against the tide, Alhamdulillah.

:sl:
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 08:25 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
Used by shiites and 16 year olds.. what else is left to say?

I am unsubscribing from yet another highly comical thread... truly, little knowledge is a dangerous thing -


:w:
Your very first few posts were insulting !
Hardly a Islamic way of talking !

And no I am not a Shia , If that is your best weapon at refuting I suggest you go too sleep !

Don't forget to cheer your allies on when they attack Syria sd Iran !

And just in case you are a true Muslim remember how Allah swt brands those who align them selves with evil forces like NATO and pals !

Allah bless

Good bye
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 08:29 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Your very first few posts were insulting !
Hardly a Islamic way of talking !

And no I am not a Shia , If that is your best weapon at refuting I suggest you go too sleep !

Don't forget to cheer your allies on when they attack Syria sd Iran !

And just in case you are a true Muslim remember how Allah swt brands those who align them selves with evil forces like NATO and pals !

Allah bless

Good bye
Very true, i bet she will cheer when turkey or USA will invade syria. She supports the so called riba infested NTC government in libya also. Bro thats not insulting, you dont know how mean i can be when i target someones nafs. running away like she does is a sign of weakness and lose of steadfastness.
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Your very first few posts were insulting !
Hardly a Islamic way of talking !

And no I am not a Shia , If that is your best weapon at refuting I suggest you go too sleep !

Don't forget to cheer your allies on when they attack Syria sd Iran !

And just in case you are a true Muslim remember how Allah swt brands those who align them selves with evil forces like NATO and pals !

Allah bless

Good bye
It appears you've both a reading & comprehension impediment, but on the bright side you got a 16 year old to cheer you on :)

best,
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال

It appears you've both a reading & comprehension impediment, but on the bright side you got a 16 year old to cheer you on :)

best,
It appears you have been decieved by al-jazeera, are you alright? You've been brainwashed by Mk-ultra. Stop watching television
Alhamdulillah i've read all of your posts, and some posts i agreed upon and some not. Its already known that FSA is killing alewites from neighbourhoods. Shimon peres sides support with them, US has, france has. You are indirectly supporting a zionist war. Let me put out some sanctions from you out of 2002:

''A variety of U.S. legislative provisions and executive directives prohibit direct foreign assistance
funding to Syria and restrict bilateral trade relations, largely because of the U.S. State
Department’s designation of Syria as a sponsor of international terrorism. On December 12, 2003,
President George W. Bush signed the Syria Accountability Act, P.L. 108-175, which imposed
additional economic sanctions against Syria. Syrian individuals and government officials are
subject to targeted financial sanctions pursuant to executive orders relating to terrorism,
proliferation, and regional security. Successive administrations have designated several Syrian
entities as weapons proliferators and sanctioned several Russian companies for alleged weapons
of mass destruction or advanced weapons sales to Syria.''

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/174252.pdf

O
nly a fool rides with the media, a person with a free-mind would think twice.

Why are you allowing them to be armed by other oppressors? You are now putting my age as excuse. Thats a very weak sign, sounds very defeatist. I'm much different then most of the kids of my age. Dont ever think one moment i am like them ;). You never can debate anyone only when it suits your claims, better yourself and stop being egoistic. Anyone who is against you is a shia or Assad supporter.

Call me both but Alhamdulillah i'm against US influence everywhere. I'm 100% anti-west.
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
so anyone who denies now need to check their brains openly.
Final questions as it's margib time


1. When do I get too post links ?

2, have you ever met a muslim in real life who would like too see the downfall of Syria , Iran and Hezbollah ?
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
Why are you allowing them to be armed by other oppressors?
Walhi you tickle me with your logorrhea, jabs at what I read and the avalanche of conspiracy videos-- you know what you've convinced me of all the dung.. I'll go make that call to the rebels to disable them & convince them to stay at home and be killed by direct air strike from the Bashar forces.
As Ali ibn Abu taib said: "Whenever I argue with a fool, I lose"

best,
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-27-2012, 08:51 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
Walhi you tickle me with your logorrhea, jabs at what I read and the avalanche of conspiracy videos-- you know what you've convinced me of all the dung.. I'll go make that call to the rebels to disable them & convince them to stay at home and be killed by direct air strike from the Bashar forces.
As Ali ibn Abu taib said: "Whenever I argue with a fool, I lose"

best,
No they can keep their weapons, until they stop paving a way for western intervention. Saturday is your day, they're gonna hold a conference on syria worldwide.

I am not foolish, its you who are

1# misunderstanding
2# al-jazeera rethoric
3# forcing everyone to bow down to your opinion
4# everyone who is anti-west is a pro - assad supporter. dont rely on the west, rely on Allah

Dont use the sayings of Ali(Ra) in your own emotions, thats a direct insult to him(Ra). When the west invades we are gonna see who was right ;)
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 08:53 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
, have you ever met a muslim in real life who would like too see the downfall of Syria , Iran and Hezbollah ?
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
I certainly don't wish destruction on Syria or its righteous Muslims.. I do however wish destruction on the despotic regime and its supporters in shaa Allah.
http://www.islamicboard.com/general/...ml#post1528397

Like I said, you need to work on your reading & comprehension. I don't understand half of the crap you're vomiting here and the other half is preposterous.
I'll give you this much, your ability to spam is admirable!

best,
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 09:02 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
No they can keep their weapons, until they stop paving a way for western intervention. Saturday is your day, they're gonna hold a conference on syria worldwide.

I am not foolish, its you who are

1# misunderstanding
2# al-jazeera rethoric
3# forcing everyone to bow down to your opinion
4# everyone who is anti-west is a pro - assad supporter. dont rely on the west, rely on Allah

Dont use the sayings of Ali(Ra) in your own emotions, thats a direct insult to him(Ra). When the west invades we are gonna see who was right ;)
I sure hope your milatonic mind can sustain you until saturday :)
You've to admit the Ali ibn Abu talib quote really hits the bull's eye .. Feel free to add to your ammo for your future critics, as you seem to recycle the same rhetoric somehow we could have abridged the course of this funny thread into three lines of the same between you and your pal, the rest is a fantastic form of introspection...
lastly it isn't about opinion or bowing down you fool.. this isn't the arcade. We're not playing a video game for a win or lose.. What was I expecting otherwise treating you like an adult, engaging you when it appears you've barely toilet trained..

:w:
Reply

GuestFellow
06-27-2012, 09:18 PM
I'm confused. What are the disagreements between members?

The focus of the topic is about Syria and how the BBC reports the events that unfold. All media organisations are biased to a certain extent, even sources made by Muslims. Bias can be intentional or unintentional. We need to consider that it is difficult to report events that are changing on a regular basis. Reporters have little time to cover what's really going on and the general public are busy enough with their own lives and do not have the time to investigate these events. Under these circumstances, it is difficult to obtain information.

Now I assume this topic is about establishing that the BBC is producing propaganda material. If this was true, then I suspect other people would have noticed this too and would not be reluctant to point this point. In the past, BBC impartiality has been questioned, even by groups that the public perceive to be the right wing.

Can anyone actually show how BBC is launching some sort of propaganda campaign about Syria? Let's define the term propaganda as a starting point:

Information, ideas, opinions or images, often only giving one part of an argument, which are broadcast, published or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions
Source:

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dict...a?q=propaganda

Present evidence for your arguments. This evidence that actually proves that the BBC is full of propaganda. Imagine if BBC reporters were confronted with your evidence, would they be able to explain there way out of this?
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 09:26 PM
Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
I'm confused. What are the disagreements between members?
They seem to be under the impression that I am in contact with Syrian rebels and otherwise behind the 'Arab Spring' also solely responsible for the death of Gaddafi, and Saddam and their fall from power.. and that by opposing HizbuAllah gorillas, Iran mercenaries who were caught in Syria killing Sunnis and not siding with Russia's decision to send planes on ships to arm the Assad forces against civilians or China's vetoes (both nations with horrible abuses toward Muslim and frankly at war with Chechen who are Muslim and should be inspired by all this to oppose Russia) that I am pro NATO and that I wield the power to stop NATO from coming in simply by accepting the videos they post here as factual.

That's it in a nutshell..

:w:
Reply

IslamicRevival
06-27-2012, 11:07 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
All the scholars have already so qualified them along with despotic regime.
Your feelings and their impression isn't what plays a factor in this.
To begin with a Muslim who raises a weapon in another Muslims's face has already committed kuffr.
Which Scholars? The majority of Muslims classify Shia as Muslims, albeit misguided and its been this way for decades. Yes there are some who have extreme views which totally contradict the teachings of Islam but you cant judge every single Shia based on the actions of a minority. Shia are Muslim and nothing less, If they werent, the Ummah would universally accept them as such, just like we universally accept Qadyani's as being Non Muslim.
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 11:31 PM
Sister :

Allah swt has condemned those who use these kaffirs as protecters !

We have several warnings in the holy Quran !

The rebels ( a part of them at least ). The Saudi regime fall into this catagorie !

Your thoughts ??
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 11:36 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Sister :

Allah swt has condemned those who use these kaffirs as protecters !

We have several warnings in the holy Quran !

The rebels ( a part of them at least ). The Saudi regime fall into this catagorie !

Your thoughts ??
The Syrian regime is also kaffir, and thus the rebels and the folks on the streets aren't taking it for protectors- Iran/china/Russia are also kaffirs that we shouldn't take for protectors (especially given their history against Muslims).. When you speak of kaffir protectors it should apply to all kaffirs not selective kaffirs like the 'saudi regime'.It applies to Inside and out kaffirs.. Hope that clarifies things for you.

best,
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 11:42 PM
Originally Posted by Vision
Which Scholars? The majority of Muslims classify Shia as Muslims, albeit misguided and its been this way for decades. Yes there are some who have extreme views which totally contradict the teachings of Islam but you cant judge every single Shia based on the actions of a minority. Shia are Muslim and nothing less, If they werent, the Ummah would universally accept them as such, just like we universally accept Qadyani's as being Non Muslim.
Bro like it or not Iran Syria and Hezbollah are the only muslim forces in the middle east standing in the way of total Zionist domination of the middle east ,

The satanists whish too remove these obstacles ,

And some muslims have jumped on board ,

Just like how the Arabs helped too destroy the khalifa

The same is happening today with Syria and Iran !

And no I am not a Shia , but I can see past the sects !

We have more that unifies us , than the small issues which devide us ,


Any Shia here as I wish to discuss some of their practices .??
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 11:46 PM
Originally Posted by Vision
The majority of Muslims classify Shia as Muslims
No, they don't!
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 11:49 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال

The Syrian regime is also kaffir, and thus the rebels and the folks on the streets aren't taking it for protectors- Iran/china/Russia are also kaffirs that we shouldn't take for protectors (especially given their history against Muslims).. When you speak of kaffir protectors it should apply to all kaffirs not selective kaffirs like the 'saudi regime'.It applies to Inside and out kaffirs.. Hope that clarifies things for you.

best,
Sister you can't spin the Quran to suite your agenda !

You can't lable hundreds of millions of Shia os none Muslims , we've been through that ,

Quran commands "Muslils " not too take these none believers as protectors !

That applies too Saudi allied with USA
Turky allied with NATO
Libyan rebels allied with NATO
And the same with some or most Syrian rebels
Reply

Cabdullahi
06-27-2012, 11:55 PM
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...t/forgery.html

^surat al walayah and surat al nurayn try to find it in your quran.
Reply

TruthLogic
06-27-2012, 11:56 PM
Guess the sister had the anti Shia propaganda at the ready ,?
Reply

جوري
06-27-2012, 11:56 PM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Sister you can't spin the Quran to suite your agenda !

You can't lable hundreds of millions of Shia os none Muslims , we've been through that ,

Quran commands "Muslils " not too take these none believers as protectors !

That applies too Saudi allied with USA
Turky allied with NATO
Libyan rebels allied with NATO
And the same with some or most Syrian rebels
In what way are Saudis kaffir and Assad Muslim? per Quran that is perhaps you can elucidate the exclusion in his case and that of Iran/China/Russia with some verses?
furthermore, I don't care what impression the shiites are under, their judgement lies with Allah.. The prophet and the Quran spoke against Shiism(divisions) schisms and altering the religion or rituals. I have already quoted the verse on the matter in the previous page which you can re-visit as I so hate repeating myself. And you can see the scholars speak against them and you can also see the fatwas on top.

best,
Reply

Cabdullahi
06-28-2012, 12:02 AM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Sister you can't spin the Quran to suite your agenda !

You can't lable hundreds of millions of Shia os none Muslims , we've been through that ,

Quran commands "Muslils " not too take these none believers as protectors !

That applies too Saudi allied with USA
Turky allied with NATO
Libyan rebels allied with NATO
And the same with some or most Syrian rebels
Syria with russia and china
Iran with russia and china

I told you to bring proof...the doctor has brought her proof as to why shias are not considered muslim, its your turn now, which is overdue, to bring evidences to back up your statements.
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 12:02 AM
Originally Posted by Cbdullahii
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...t/forgery.html

^surat al walayah and surat al nurayn try to find it in your quran.
Got to stop that agenda now, got to stop the agenda that they don't curse the prophet and sahabis, that they don't curse Saida Aisha, got to stop the propaganda against zawaj al'mut3a, got to stop it against the sunnis they slay every day, stop it against their personal Safavid interests for the Muslim world.
Reply

TruthLogic
06-28-2012, 12:10 AM
Originally Posted by Cbdullahii
[]

^surat al walayah and surat al nurayn try to find it in your quran.

Wow we scraping the barrel Here aren't we

Desperate lies

Now the Shia belive in another Quran !

Cough !!!

Complete utter lies !

All Muslims belive the Quran is yeh complete unchanged book of Allah

It's wrong to spread lies bro !
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 12:15 AM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Wow we scraping the barrel Here aren't we

Desperate lies

Now the Shia belive in another Quran !

Cough !!!

Complete utter lies !

All Muslims belive the Quran is yeh complete unchanged book of Allah

It's wrong to spread lies bro !

There are all kinda of shia that run the gamut (they compose 10%) of Musims.. some are close to Sunnis, those of them are the ones in Lebanon and though they call themselves shia they follow traditional Islam, the rest run the gamut from tho who believe Ali should have been first khalif to those who worship him all together to those who believe in reincarnation, to those who believe in other prophets, to those who cut verses out of the Quran, to those who add suras to the Quran, to those who worship the Quran. If you're not a traditional Muslim from Ahel As'sunna wal'jama3a, then you're shia which by its very definition means 'faction' Islam isn't OK with factions so it doesn't matter to which faction you belong if you're not Muslim you're shiaa..

best,
Reply

Cabdullahi
06-28-2012, 12:18 AM
Originally Posted by TruthLogic
Wow we scraping the barrel Here aren't we

Desperate lies

Now the Shia belive in another Quran !

Cough !!!

Complete utter lies !

All Muslims belive the Quran is yeh complete unchanged book of Allah

It's wrong to spread lies bro !
http://www.discoveringislam.org/qura...on_tahreef.htm

Unfortunately, classical Shia books discuss "Tahreef" (Distortion of the Quran) theory in which they question the completeness and accuracy and make the allegation that the Quran has been wilfully distorted because the present Quran does not contain evidence that supports the core doctrines of Shiism, most importantly, the Imamate doctrine.

- The Quran has been purposely altered by the drunkard Caliphs {Abu-Bakr (r.a), Umar (r.a) and Usman (r.a)}; The present Quran is false; It’s the duty of Imam Mehdi (Shia's 12th Imam) to bring it in its original form; When Imam Mahdi comes, then the Quran will be recited in its original form. (Quran Translation by Maqbool Hussain Delhvi, Chap.12, p. 384 & p.479 – Published in India)

- Original Quran will not be known until the manifestation of Imam Mahdi (Shia’s 12th Imam). (Anwaar-ul-Na'umania, Vol. 2, p. 360 - Published in Iran)

- The present Quran is abridged whereas the Original Quran is kept by Imam Mahdi." (Hazaar Tumhari Das Hamari, p. 553)

- No one possesses complete knowledge of the Quran except the Imams. (Usool Kaafi, Vol. 1, p. 228)

- After the death of Holy Prophet (s.a.w), the original Quran was in the custody of Ali (r.a) and he brought it to Abu-Bakr (r.a), but Abu Bakr refused to allow this original version. That is why Muslim Ummah was deprived of original Quran. (Sheikh-e-Saqifah, p. 138 – Published in Pakistan)

- Shaikhain (Abu Bakr & Omar) refused to accept the Quran which was compiled by Ali (r.a). (Fasal-ul-Khitab, p. 64)

- Insult to the Holy Quran. (Tohfa-tul-Awaam, Vol. 2, p. 293)

- The Quran descended (was revealed) in four parts, whereas present Quran consists of three parts. (Shia Aur Tehreef-e-Quran, p. 62)

- The present Quran is in an altered, corrupted and distorted form.. (Fatuhat-e-Shia, p. 129)

- An acceptance of the belief that the Quran has been altered. Shia accuse Abu Bakr (r.a) of being involved in the alteration. (Ayat-ul-Qaloob, Vol. 2, p. 832)

Reply

TruthLogic
06-28-2012, 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by Cbdullahii
[]

^surat al walayah and surat al nurayn try to find it in your quran.

Wow we scraping the barrel Here aren't we

Desperate lies

Now the Shia belive in another Quran !

Cough !!!

Complete utter lies !

All Muslims belive the Quran is yeh complete unchanged book of Allah

It's wrong to spread lies bro !
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 12:35 AM
that's what you wrote two posts ago and he refuted you.. How about something substantial and not your personal assertion?
Reply

Cabdullahi
06-28-2012, 12:39 AM
I've given up....truthlogic you win...i lose.

Assalamu Alaykum
Reply

IslamicRevival
06-28-2012, 12:46 AM
One scholar doesnt speak for 1.5 Billion Muslims. The facts are Muslims, as an Ummah have never declared Shia as Non Muslims. If they were universally declared as Non Muslim as you say then why are/have they been allowed to perform Umrah/Hajj? Why are they allowed to step foot in the blessed cities of Makkah and Madinah? Yes, you have the odd group who consider Shia as Non Muslims but they do not speak for all of us. Shia are Misguided, no doubt about it but they are Muslim in the eyes of most Muslims, those are are the facts whether we like it or not . Most of the Q and A links you posted are referring to an extreme group of Shia so we really shouldn't be so quick to label all Shia Non Muslim.
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 01:04 AM
Originally Posted by Vision
One scholar doesnt speak for 1.5 Billion Muslims. The facts are Muslims, as an Ummah have never declared Shia as Non Muslims. If they were universally declared as Non Muslim as you say then why are/have they been allowed to perform Umrah/Hajj? Why are they allowed to step foot in the blessed cities of Makkah and Madinah? Yes, you have the odd group who consider Shia as Non Muslims but they do not speak for all of us. Shia are Misguided, no doubt about it but they are Muslim in the eyes of most Muslims, those are are the facts whether we like it or not . Most of the Q and A links you posted are referring to an extreme group of Shia so we really shouldn't be so quick to label all Shia Non Muslim.
That's not one scholar I assure you.. We're not responsible for how shias view themselves and I pray to Allah swt to aid those of them with the right intentions to the right path.. As I have personally been working on three shiite friends to no avail, They still pray only three times if at all observant, they still hold on to magical beliefs and still curse or at least point out what they perceive as 'flaws' If you're not from ahel as'sunnah then you're a shia and I have gone over a brief definition and have already quoted the noble Quran:
[LEFT]Sahih International
And, [moreover], this is My path, which is straight, so follow it; and do not follow [other] ways, for you will be separated from His way. This has He instructed you that you may become righteous.

6:155 to top

Sahih International
And this [Qur'an] is a Book We have revealed [which is] blessed, so follow it and fear Allah that you may receive mercy.

Sahih International
Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only
to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do.

and tons of other verses on the matter.. willful ignorance isn't an excuse especially when seeking knowledge specifically Islamic knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim. I'd understand in the case of some poor villagers with major economic and geopolitical problems that they're raised and die on what they know and don't sway as the prophet PBUH used to seek refuge from the three things, disease, poverty and ignorance as they go hand in hand.. but what is the excuse of these will to do folks with access to books and a free mind to discern?

:w:



Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 07:54 AM
If you dont belong to Ahlus sunnah wal jammah you belong to every sect or atleast take it to the extreme level. This includes wahhabis (Under disguise extremist-salafis). You claim they dont exist, the creator of the sect was a traitor and shook hands with british spies.

In the 12th century there was even a war between muslims and people from najd, the people of najd got defeated. Now the house of saud + their wahhabi movements rose form there. Now i take it to the next level

''If you dont belong to Ahlus sunnah wal jammah you are shia''

what the bloody hell for arguments are that?

This a shaykh i want to take bayyat from, he speaks gentle and soft, is from yemen and is sunni. Noor shines on his face Masha'Allah




Now i take it to the next level right? What if it was meant that both extremist factions (alewites and wahhabis) were meant to clash with each other and to cause further on more disunity in our ummah? KSA has already admitted that they sent men+ weapons into syria.
Reply

Cabdullahi
06-28-2012, 08:14 AM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
If you dont belong to Ahlus sunnah wal jammah you belong to every sect or atleast take it to the extreme level. This includes wahhabis (Under disguise extremist-salafis). You claim they dont exist, the creator of the sect was a traitor and shook hands with british spies.

In the 12th century there was even a war between muslims and people from najd, the people of najd got defeated. Now the house of saud + their wahhabi movements rose form there. Now i take it to the next level



''If you dont belong to Ahlus sunnah wal jammah you are shia''

what the bloody hell for arguments are that?

This a shaykh i want to take bayyat from, he speaks gentle and soft, is from yemen and is sunni. Noor shines on his face Masha'Allah




Now i take it to the next level right? What if it was meant that both extremist factions (alewites and wahhabis) were meant to clash with each other and to cause further on more disunity in our ummah? KSA has already admitted that they sent men+ weapons into syria.
He's a sufi?
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 11:12 AM
Well yes, but you can clearly see that he is on the right path Masha'Allah you cant just simply ignore his noor, but interesting about sufi's i find is that they reflect alot. sheikh habib ali al-jifri never claimed to be a sufi, but following sunnah completely.

Anyway turkey has sent 30 of its military vehicles plus missle batteries towards syrian border, now here in Holland i hear F-16 planes flying above my house, could be coincidence or just a exercise.

and the syrian palace of justice got attacked right now, via a bomb attack. Did you know that a hamas member was also assasinated in syria yesterday? Mossad....clearly. Sabotage, placing sticky bombs, Search and destroy tactics, Bomb attacks is not the work of FSA. They're poorly trained rebels right? Assad was responisble for housing Hamas members. The whole situation in syria is going nuts. these aren't just rebels doing this. Rebels doing special activities service and stealth? Only SAS can do this.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/topic/syria-153






Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 12:00 PM


''
Footage showing the results of an alleged massacre in the Syrian city of Hama in April has been obtained by RT. In the video, family members claim opposition rebels committed the atrocity.''
Reply

Abz2000
06-28-2012, 12:02 PM
In 1953 the CIA staged terror attacks and a propaganda campaign against the people of Iran.
We gunned down civilians, blew up school buses and mosques!
Then we blamed it on Muhammed Mossadeq and even dropped pamphlets from the air. Down with Allah, up with Mossadeq.
This started a successful coup and he was removed.

7min:40s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrXgLhkv21Y&feature=player_detailpage#t=46 3s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Ir...nd_CIA_records
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 12:06 PM
Originally Posted by Abz2000
In 1953 the CIA staged terror attacks and a propaganda campaign against the people of Iran.
We gunned down civilians, blew up school buses and mosques!
Then we blamed it on Muhammed Mossadeq and even dropped pamphlets from the air. Down with Allah, up with Mossadeq.
This started a successful coup and he was removed.
Operation Ajax yes, and this is the case in syria now.
Problem is when you have the lack of evidence and lack of history u quickly jump on the conclusions the masses are to follow. Truth can be hard, and yes people in state of ignorance can deny it.

Syrian TV got attacked yesterday by a group with armed guns, killed every staff member.
Hamas member got assasinated, and destroying oilpipes(Sabotage), today a bomb attack in a garage of the palace of justice. We can only blame a few groups for this: S.A.S, Mi6, CIA or mossad.

Or do the rebels have suddenly learned to operate in stealth and to sabotage?

People thought that the covert operation in Iran were conspiracy theories too until the 90's.
This isnt a conpsiracy theory either, syria is facing a covert war and soon military intervention.

And yes: BREAKING NEWS: SYRIA UNREST 14 Palestinian Liberation Army members kidnapped in Syria

Assad was known for housing hamas members, especially in the capital damascus. This all points out towards Mossad.

And shame one the ones who want to remain stubborn.

Muslims here but also everywhere on the world should be made aware of the dirty games being played. The syrians are being killed at the hands of US, israel and russia.
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 02:42 PM
With the axis of resistance he meant the people who were repsonsible for arming mujahideen like hamas, also for housing hamas members in damascus, but check this terrifying article:

The Middle East counter-revolution

by Thierry Meyssan

A Saudi clan, the Sudairi, is spearheading the counter-revolutionary tide unleashed by the United States and Israel in the Middle East. In a vast overview, published in serial form by the leading Russian language daily, Thierry Meyssan from Damascus paints a general picture of the contradictions which are convulsing the region.


Who is really 'kow-towing' who? The photo that caused raucous in the United States: at the G20 Summit, President Obama bowed before the Saudi King and kissed his hand.


Within months, three pro-Western governments have fallen in the Arab World: parliament removed Saad Hariri’s Lebanese government, while popular movements drove out Zine el-Abbidine Ben Ali of Tunisia and Husni Mubarak in Egypt.

These changes have been followed by demonstrations against U.S. domination and Zionism. They politically benefit the Axis of Resistance, comprised of Iran and Syria at the state level and at the non-state level by Hezbollah and Hamas.

To lead the counter-revolution in this region, Washington and Tel Aviv have relied on their best support: the Sudairi clan, which embodies despotism at the service of imperialism unlike any other.

The Sudairi

You have probably never heard of them, but for decades the Sudairi have been the world’s richest political organization.

Among the fifty-three sons of King Ibn Saud, founder of Saudi Arabia, the Sudairi are the seven that he sired with Princess Sudairi. Their leader was King Fahd, who ruled from 1982 to 2005. Only six are still alive. The eldest is Prince Sultan, minister of defence since 1962, who is 85. At 71, the youngest is Prince Ahmed, deputy interior minister since 1975. Since the 60s, it was their clan that organized, structured, and funded the pro-Western puppet regimes of the “Greater Middle East.”

A look back is required here.

Saudi Arabia is a legal entity created by the British during the First World War to weaken the Ottoman Empire. Although Lawrence of Arabia had invented the concept of the “Arab nation,” he never managed to make a nation of this country, let alone a state. It was and still is the private property of the Al-Sauds. As the British inquiry on the Al-Yamamah Scandal brought to light, in the 21st century there are still no bank accounts or budget for the Kingdom. It is the accounts of the royal family that serve to administer the Kingdom, which is its private domain.

The area fell under U.S. control after the Second World War, when the United Kingdom could no longer maintain its empire. President Franklin D. Roosevelt made an agreement with King Ibn Saud: the family of Saud guaranteed oil supplies to the United States which in return guaranteed the military assistance necessary to keep the House of Saud in power. This alliance is known as the Quincy Agreement, negotiated on a ship by the same name. It is an agreement, not a treaty since it does not bind two states, but a state and a family.


The Quincy Agreement binds the United States to the Saud family.

The founding king, Ibn Saud, having had 32 wives and 53 sons, serious rivalries between potential successors were not slow to emerge. Thus it was decided that the crown would not be handed down from father to son, but from half-brother to half-brother.

Five of Ibn Saud’s sons have already sat on the throne. The current king, Abdullah I, 87, is a rather open-minded person, although totally out of touch with today’s realities. Aware that the current dynastic system is headed for ruin, he intends to reform the rules of succession. The crown would thus be appointed by the Council of the Kingdom – this means selected by representatives of various branches of the royal family - and could potentially go to a younger generation.

This wise idea does not suit the Sudairi. Indeed, given the various abdications to the throne for health reasons or self-indulgence, the next three candidates belong to their clan: Prince Sultan, formerly appointed Interior Minister, 85; Prince Naif, Interior Minister, 78; and Prince Salman, the governor of Riyadh, 75. If it were to be applied, the new dynastic rule would work to their disadvantage.

One can easily understand that the Sudairi, who never cared much for their half-brother, King Abdullah, hate him at present. And, also, that they have decided to throw all their forces into the current struggle.


Prince Bandar and "his brother" George W. Bush.

The Return of Bandar Bush

In the late 70s, the Sudairi clan was headed by Prince Fahd, who noticed the rare qualities of one of his brother Sultan’s children: Prince Bandar. He sent him to Washington to negotiate arms contracts and was impressed by the way he handled an agreement with President Carter.

When Fahd ascended to the throne in 1982, Prince Bandar was a trusted aid. He was appointed military attaché, then ambassador to Washington, a post he held until his abrupt dismissal by King Abdullah in 2005.

The son of Prince Sultan and a Libyan slave, Prince Bandar is a brilliant and ruthless character that has distinguished himself within the royal family despite the stigma attached to his maternal origin. He is now the working arm of the gerontocratic Sudairi clan.

During his long stay in Washington, Prince Bandar befriended the Bush family, in particular George H. Bush, with whom he was inseparable. The latter likes to portray him as the son that he would have liked to have, so much so that his nickname in the capital is “Mr. Bandar Bush.” What George H. – former director of the CIA and U.S. president – appreciated most about him is his taste for illegal actions.

“Mr. Bandar Bush” made a place for himself in U.S. high society. He is both a manager for life of the Aspen Institute and a member of the Bohemian Grove. The British public first found out about him during the Al-Yamamah Scandal: the biggest arms deal in history as well as the largest corruption scandal. Over two decades (1985-2006), British Aerospace, soon renamed BAE Systems, sold $80 billion worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia while quietly dropping a portion of this windfall into the bank accounts of Saudi politicians and probably British politicians, with $2 billion going to Prince Bandar alone.

This is because His Highness has a lot of expenses. Prince Bandar has taken over responsibility for numerous Arab fighters trained by Pakistani and Saudi intelligence during the Cold War to fight the Red Army in Afghanistan at the request of the CIA and MI6. Of course, the best known figure in this milieu was none other than billionaire guru turned anti-communist jihadist, Osama bin Laden.

It is impossible to say precisely how many men Prince Bandar has at his disposal. Over time, we have seen his involvement in many conflicts and terrorist acts across the Muslim world from Morocco to China’s Xinjiang. For example, one may recall the small army that he had planted, by the name of Fatah Al-Islam, in the Palestinian camp of Nahr el-Bared in Lebanon. The mission of these fighters was to incite the Palestinian refugees, mostly Sunnis, to proclaim an independent emirate and to fight Hezbollah. The affair turned sour when the salaries of the mercenaries were not paid on time. Ultimately, in 2007, Prince Bandar’s men entrenched themselves in the camp. 30,000 Palestinians were forced to flee, while the Lebanese army waged a two-month battle to gain control of the camp. This operation cost the lives of 50 mercenaries, 32 Palestinian civilians and 68 Lebanese soldiers.

In early 2010, Bandar staged a coup to overthrow King Abdullah and to place his father, Sultan, on the throne. The plot was discovered and Bandar left in disgrace without however losing his official titles. But in late 2010, the declining health of the king and his surgery gave the Sudairi the upper hand and they engineered Bandar’s comeback with the support of the Obama Administration.


Saudi-Lebanese politician Saad Hariri has rallied behind the Sudairi. After his resignation as Lebanese Prime Minister three months ago, he has remained as caretaker Prime Minister and has blocked the formation of a new government ever since.


It was after having visited the king, who was hospitalized in Washington, and having concluded too quickly that he was dying, that Lebanese Prime Minister Hariri rallied to the side of the Sudairi. Saad Hariri is a Saudi, born in Riyadh, but with dual nationality. He inherited his fortune from his father, who owed everything to Saud. He is therefore obligated to the king and became Prime Minister of Lebanon at his urging, while the U.S. State Department was concerned about his ability to fill the position.

During the period when he had to obey King Abdullah, Saad Hariri began to reconcile with President Bashar al-Assad. He withdrew the accusations he had made against him about the assassination of his father, Rafik Al-Hariri, and apologized for having been manipulated to artificially create tension between Lebanon and Syria. In endorsing the Sudairi, Saad has made a political volte-face. Overnight, he renounced King Abdullah’s policy of conciliation towards Syria and Hezbollah and launched an offensive against the regime of Bashar Al-Assad, for the disarmament of Hezbollah, and for a compromise with Israel.

However, King Abdullah came out of his semi-comatose state and didn’t wait long to demand accountability. Deprived of this essential support, Saad Hariri and his government were overthrown by the Lebanese Parliament in favor of Najib Mikati, another bi-national, but less adventurous, billionaire. As punishment, King Abdullah ordered a tax investigation into Hariri’s largest Saudi society and had several of his associates arrested for fraud.

The Saudiri legions

The Sudairi have decided to launch the counter-revolution in all directions.

In Egypt, where they financed Mubarak on one hand and the Muslim Brotherhood on the other hand, they have now imposed an alliance between the Brotherhood and pro-U.S. army officers.

This new coalition has shared power by excluding the leaders of the revolution in Tahrir Square. It refused to convene a National Assembly and contended itself with amending the constitution marginally.

First, they declared Islam the state religion to the detriment of the Coptic Christian minority (about 10%) who were oppressed by Husni Mubarak and who mobilized en masse against him. In addition, Dr. Mahmoud Izzat, the number two of the Brotherhood, called for the rapid introduction of Sharia law and the restoration of Sharia punishment.

Young Wael Ghoneim, who had played a leading role in the overthrow of the tyrant, was barred from the podium during the victory celebrations, February 18, which rallied nearly 2 million people. Conversely, the star preacher of the Brotherhood, Youssef Al-Qardawi, returning after 30 years of exile in Qatar, was allowed to speak at length. He, who had been stripped of his citizenship by Gamal Abdel Nasser, projected himself as the incarnation of the new era: that of Sharia law and peaceful coexistence with the Zionist regime in Tel Aviv.

Nobel Peace Prize Muhammad Al-Baradei, whom the Muslim Brotherhood opted as a spokesman during the revolution to give themselves a more liberal image, was physically assaulted by the same Brothers during the constitutional referendum and was ejected from the political scene.

The Muslim Brothers made their formal entry into politics through the creation of a new party, Freedom and Justice, with the support of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and by imitating the profile of the Turkish AKP (The same strategy was chosen in Tunisia with the Renaissance Party).

In this context, violent attacks were perpetrated against religious minorities. Thus two Coptic churches were burned. Far from punishing the aggressors, the Prime Minister offered them a guarantee: he dismissed the governor that he had appointed in the province of Qenna, the respected General Imad Mikhael, because he is a Coptic Christian and not a Sunni Muslim.


The Gulf Cooperation Council (CGC) clamored for a NATO intervention in Libya and sent the Saudi army and UAE police to crush the protest in Bahrain.

In Libya, the Sudairi transferred armed fighters into Cyrenaica pending the green light from France and Britain to start the insurrection against the government of Tripoli. They are the ones who distributed weapons and the red-black-green star and crescent flags, symbols of the Senoussi monarchy. Their goal is to get rid of troublemaker Gaddafi and restore Prince Mohammed on the throne of what was once the United Kingdom of Libya.

It was the Gulf Cooperation Council that was the first to call for military intervention against the government of Tripoli. At the Security Council, it was the Saudi delegation which led the diplomatic manoeuvres for the Arab League to endorse the attacks by Western armies.

Colonel Qaddafi for his part declared in several speeches that there was no revolution in Cyrenaica, but that his country was facing an Al-Qaeda destabilization operation; claims that wrongly elicited smiles and which were personally confirmed to his great embarrassment by General Carter F. Ham, U.S. AfriCom commander. In charge of the initial U.S. military operations before being supplanted by NATO, General Ham was surprised at having to choose his targets based on information from spies on the ground who were known to have fought against the Coalition forces in Afghanistan – in short, bin Laden’s men.

Bahrain, meanwhile, presents itself as an independent kingdom since 1971. In reality, it is still a territory dominated by the British. During their rule they had chosen a Khalifa as prime minister and the position has been maintained for 40 years continuously, from the fiction of independence up until today. This is a continuum which is not displeasing to the Sudairi.

King Hamad has granted an important concession to the United States, which established its Central Command and the Fifth Fleet naval headquarters in the port of Juffair. In these circumstances, the popular demand for constitutional monarchy would imply access to real independence, the end of British rule, and the departure of U.S. forces. Such a development would certainly have a domino effect in Saudi Arabia and threaten the foundations of the system.

The Sudairi convinced the king of Bahrain to bloodily crush the hopes of the population.


Guarantor of the established order, Prince Nayef has been the implacable Saudi Minister of the Interior and Information for the past 41 years.

On 13 March, U.S. Secretary of Defence Robert Gates arrived in Manama to initiate the coordination of operations, which began with the entry of Saudi special forces, known as “Nayef Eagles”, under the command of Prince Nayef. Within days, all the symbols of protest were destroyed, including the public monument erected in Pearl Square. Hundreds of people died or went missing. Torture, which had been abandoned for almost a decade, was again widespread. Doctors and nurses who treated injured protesters were arrested in their hospitals, detained incommunicado, and brought before military tribunals.

But, the most important element in this terrible repression is the determination to transform a classic class struggle, between an entire population and a privileged class tied to foreign imperialism, into a sectarian conflict. The majority of Bahrainis are Shiites while the ruling family is Sunni. The Shias are seen as the vehicle of the revolutionary ideal of Ruhollah Khomeini, who was designated as a target. In one month, the "Nayef Eagles" razed 25 Shiite mosques and damaged 253 others.

21 of the main political protest leaders will soon be tried by a special court. They face the death penalty. More so than the Shiites, the monarchy is going after Ibrahim Sharif, the party chairman of the Wa’ad (a secular leftist party), whom they accuse of not playing by the rules because he is a Sunni Muslim.

Having failed to destabilize Iran, the Sudairi have concentrated their attacks against Syria.

The Destabilization of Syria


All the revolutions staged for the media have a logo. This is for the "Syrian Revolution 2011", which appeared on Facebook.

In early February, when the country had yet to experience any demonstration, a page titled “The Syrian Revolution 2011” was created on Facebook. It called for a "Day of Wrath” on Friday 4; the call was relayed by Al Jazeera, but did not resonate anywhere. Al Jazeera deplored the lack of reaction and stigmatized Syria as the “kingdom of silence” (sic).

The name “The Syrian Revolution 2011” is puzzling: it is in English and has the characteristic of an advertising slogan. But what genuine revolutionary would think that if he fails to realize his objectives in 2011, he would simply go back home?

Even stranger, on the day of its creation this Facebook page registered more than 80,000 friends. Such enthusiasm in a few hours, followed by nothing, suggests manipulation carried out with computer software that creates multiple accounts. Especially considering that the Syrians have a moderate level of internet use and have only had access to ADSL since January 1st.

The troubles began a month later in Deraa, a rural town located at the Jordanian border and a few miles from Israel. Vandals paid adolescents to tag anti-government graffiti on the walls of the city. Local police arrested the students and treated them as criminals to the annoyance of their families. Local notables who intended to settle the dispute were turned away by the governor. The young men were beaten. Furious, the families attacked the police station to set them free. The police responded with even more brutality, killing protesters.

President Bashar Al-Assad then intervened to punish the police and the governor – a cousin whom the President had appointed to Deraa, far from the capital, to keep him out of sight. An investigation was opened to shed light on the police killings. The officials responsible for the violence have been indicted and put under bail. Ministers have apologized and offered condolences to the victims’ families on behalf of the government, gestures which have been publicly accepted.

Everything should have returned to normal, but suddenly masked snipers stationed on rooftops fired on both the crowd and at police, plunging the city into chaos.

Taking advantage of the confusion, the gunmen went outside the city to attack a government building that houses the intelligence services responsible for the observation of the Syrian Golan Heights territory occupied by Israel. The security services fired back to defend the building and its archives. There were deaths on both sides.

This type of confrontation has recurred. People sought protection from the army responding to the attackers who stormed the city. Three thousand men and tanks were deployed to protect the inhabitants. Ultimately, a battle has pitted the infiltrated fighters against the Syrian army in a scenario similar to the Lebanese army siege on Nahr Al-Bared. Except this time, the international media has distorted the facts and accused the Syrian army of attacking the people of Deraa.

Meanwhile, clashes erupted in Lattakia, a port which has long been the home of criminal organizations that specialize in maritime smuggling. These individuals received arms and money from Lebanon. They vandalized the downtown. The police intervened. On presidential order, the police were armed only with batons. The gangsters then unleashed war weapons, killing dozens of unarmed policemen.

The same scenario was repeated in the neighboring town of Banias, a town of less importance, but which is much more strategic because it is home to the main oil refinery in the country. This time the police used their arms and the confrontation turned into a pitched battle.

Finally, individuals in Homs, a major city, came to participate at a mosque and called their fundamentalist followers to demonstrate against “the regime that is killing our brothers in Latakia.”

Reacting to the unrest, the Syrian population descended en masse to affirm its support for the Republic. Huge demonstrations, unprecedented in the history of the country, drew hundreds of thousands of people in Damascus, Aleppo, and Latakia to the cry of “God, Syria, Bashar!.”

While the clashes were intensifying in the localities concerned, the police managed to stop the fighters. According to their televised confessions, they were recruited, armed, and funded by a pro-Hariri MP in Lebanon, Jamal Jarrah, which he denies.

Jamal Jarrah is a friend of Prince Bandar. His name had been cited in the case of Fatah Al-Islam in Nahr Al-Bared. He is the cousin of Ziad Jarrah, a jihadist accused by the FBI of being responsible for the hijacking of Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania on September 11, 2001. He is also the cousin of the Ali and Yousef Jarrah brothers, who were arrested by the Lebanese army in November 2008 for spying for Israel.


From London and Paris, Ali Saad-al-din Bayanouni (secretary general of the Syrian section of the Muslim Brotherhood) and Abdel-Halim Khaddam (former vice president of Syria) call for Bachar el-Assad’s overthrow.

Jamal Jarrah is a secret member of the Muslim Brotherhood, which he also denies. In 1982, the Brotherhood tried to seize power in Syria. They failed and became victims of a terrible repression. Since the amnesty proclaimed by President Bashar Al-Assad it was believed that these painful memories had been forgotten. On the contrary, this branch of the Brothers is now funded by the Sudairi. The role of the Banias Brotherhood in the clashes has now been acknowledged by all.

Allegedly, Jamal Jarrah also used Lebanese Hizb ut-Tahrir militants, an Islamist organization based in London and especially active in Central Asia. Hizb ut-Tahrir, which advocates non-violence, is accused of masterminding many attacks in the Ferghana Valley. It was with the intention of curbing this group that China began its rapprochement with Russia within the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Despite much debate in the House of Commons about the group, its representatives in London have never been inconvenienced and they all occupy positions as high-level executives in Anglo-American multinationals.

Last year, Hizb ut-Tahrir opened a branch in Lebanon. On that occasion, it organized a conference to which foreign dignitaries were invited, including a Russian intellectual of international repute. During discussions, the organizers called for the establishment of an Islamic state, stating that Lebanese Shiites, Druze, and even some Sunnis are not real Muslims and should be expelled like the Christians. Flabbergasted by such outrageous remarks, the Russian guest promptly gave television interviews to disassociate himself from these fanatics.

At first, Syrian security forces appeared to be overwhelmed by events. Trained in the U.S.S.R., senior officers used force without worrying about the consequences on the population. But the situation was gradually reversed. President Bashar Al-Assad took control of the situation. He changed the government. He repealed the state of emergency and dissolved the State Security Court. He granted citizenship to thousands of Syrian Kurds who were historically denied citizenship because of a disputed census. In addition, he took a number of other measures, such as repealing the fines for late payment of public utilities (electricity, etc.). In doing so, he satisfied the main demands of the population and mitigated opposition. On the “Day of Rage” (Friday, May 6) the overall number of protesters in the country did not reach 50,000 people out of a population of 22 million.

Specifically, Mohammed Al-Sha’ar, the new interior minister, called for anyone who was involed in the riots to report voluntarily to the police and be granted amnesty in exchange for complete cooperation. Over 1,100 people responded. Within days, the principal conduits were dismantled and many weapons caches seized. After five weeks of violence, calm slowly returned to almost all the troubled cities.

Among the ringleaders identified and arrested, several were Israeli or Lebanese officers and one was a politician with close ties to Saad Hariri. This attempt at destabilization has a sequel.


Within the Saudi government, the Sudairi took advantage of King Abdallah’s illness to marginalize him. With U.S. and Israeli support, they thwarted the rapprochement between Abdallah and al-Assad and conduct the Arab counter-revolution.

An open conspiracy

What was originally a plot to overthrow the Syrian regime turned into open blackmail through destabilization. Realizing that the revolt was not picking up steam, the anti-Syrian Arab press shamelessly echoed the negotiations that were in progress.

They reported the visits of negotiators going to Damascus to present the requirements of the Sudairi. If we are to believe the newspapers, the violence will not stop until Bashar Al-Assad bends to two requirements:
break with Iran; and stop supporting the resistance in Palestine, Lebanon, and Iraq.

International Propaganda

The Sudairi want a Western military intervention to end the Syrian resistance, along similar lines as the aggression which is unfolding in Libya. To do this, they mobilized propaganda specialists.

To everyone’s surprise, the satellite TV station Al Jazeera abruptly changed its editorial line. It is no secret that the station was created by David and Jean Frydman, the French billionaire brothers who were counsellors to Ytzakh Rabin and Ehud Barak. They wanted to create a medium that allowed a debate between Israelis and Arabs, since such a debate was forbidden by law in each of the countries concerned.

To set up the network, they called on the Emir of Qatar who initially acted as a cover. The drafting team was recruited among the BBC’s Arabic Service, so that from the beginning the majority of journalists were leading British MI6 agents.

However, the Emir took political control of the network, which became the working arm of his monarchy. For years, Al Jazeera has indeed played a role of appeasement by promoting dialogue and understanding in the region. But the network has also contributed to trivializing the Israeli system of apartheid, as if the violent methods emplyed by IDF were merely unfortunate blunders on the part of a basically acceptable regime, whereas they constitute the essence of the regime itself.


On the run, former president Ben Ali found asylum in Saudi Arabia with Prince Nayef.

Al Jazeera, whose coverage of the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt was outstanding, abruptly changed its editorial line with the Libyan case to become the mouthpiece of the Sudairi.

This about-face deserves an explanation. The attack on Libya was originally a Franco-British plan conceived in November 2010, i.e. well before the “Arab Spring,” in which the U.S. has been involved. Paris and London intended to settle scores with Tripoli and defend their colonial interests. Indeed, in 2005-2006, the Libya National Oil Company (NOC) had launched three international tenders for exploration and exploitation of its reserves, the largest in Africa. Colonel Gaddafi had imposed his own game rules on Western companies, forcing them to accept agreements that were hardly advantageous in their eyes. They even represented the less favourable contracts to multinationals worldwide. In addition, there were several disputes related to the cancellation of lucrative contracts for equipment and armament.

From the earliest days of the alleged Benghazi uprising, Paris and London set up the Transition National Council that France officially acknowledged as the legitimate representative of the Libyan people. This Council has created a new oil company, the LOC, which was recognized by the international community at the London summit as the holder of the rights to the country’s hydrocarbons. During the gathering, it was decided that the marketing of oil stolen by the LOC would be done by ... Qatar, and that the contact group of allied states would henceforth meet in Doha.


According to Youssef Al-Qardawi, the liberation of Palestine is less important than the establishment of Sharia law.

On cue, tele-evangelist Youssef Al-Qardawi started howling for the overthrow of President Bashar Al-Assad on a daily basis. Sheikh Al-Qardawi is president of the International Union of Scholars and also of the European Council for Fatwa and Research. He is the icon of the Muslim Brotherhood and preaches for an original brand of Islam, a mix of U.S. “market democracy” and Saudi obscurantism: he recognizes the principle of elected officials provided they undertake to enforce the Sharia in its most limited interpretation.

Youssef Al-Qardawi was joined by Saudi cleric Saleh Al-Luhaidan who urged: “kill a third of Syrians so the other two-thirds may live” (sic). Kill one-third of the Syrian population? That would imply slaying the Christians, Jews, Shiites, Druze and Alawite. So that two-thirds may live? That would amount to establishing a Sunni state before it cleanses its own kind.

To date, only the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, appears to resist the seductive power of the Sudairi petro-dollars. Its leader, Khaled Meshaal, not without a moment’s hesitation, confirmed he would remain in exile in Damascus vowing his support for President Al-Assad. With the latter’s help, he preempted imperialist and Zionist plans by negotiating an agreement with Fatah’s Mahmoud Abbas.

Since March, Al-Jazeera, BBC Arabic, and Arabic France24 have turned into massive propaganda organs. By multiplying false testimonies and and manipulated images, they spin events to make the Syrian Republic look like the Tunisian regime of Ben Ali.

They have attempted to portray the Syrian army as a force of repression similar to the Tunisian police, one which does not hesitate to fire on peaceful citizens fighting for their freedom. These networks have even announced the death of a young soldier who refused to fire on his fellow citizens and was allegedly tortured to death by his superiors. In fact, the Syrian army is a conscript army, and the young soldier whose vital statistics had been published was actually on leave. In an interview with Syrian television, he affirmed his willingness to defend his country against foreign mercenaries.

Furthermore, these satellite channels have tried to portray several Syrian personalities as profiteers, just like Ben-Ali’s in-laws. They have focused their criticism on Rami Makhlouf, the richest man in the country, who is a cousin of President Al-Assad. They claimed that like the Tunisian model he demanded shares in all foreign companies wishing to do business in the country. This is absolutely unfounded and unimaginable in the Syrian context. In reality, Rami Makhlouf has enjoyed the confidence of President Al-Assad due to his role in establishing a cell phone network. Like anyone who has obtained such concessions in the world, he became a billionaire. The real question is whether or not they used their positions to enrich themselves at the expense of consumers. The answer is no: Syriatel offers the cheapest cellular phone rates in the world!

At any rate, the prize for lying goes to Al Jazeera. The network went so far as to present images of a demonstration of 40,000 people in Moscow calling for the end of Russia’s support for Syria. It was actually footage shot during the annual May 1 celebrations, in which the network had planted actors to make fake statements.

The Reorganization of Prince Bandar’s networks and the Obama Administration

The counter-revolution device used by the Sudairi is up against one difficulty. Until now Prince Bandar’s mercenaries had fought under the banner of Osama bin Laden, whether in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya or elsewhere. Initially considered an anti-communist, Bin Laden had gradually become anti-Western. His shift was influenced by the ideology of the Clash of Civilizations that was expounded by Bernard Lewis and popularized by his student Samuel Huntington. It experienced its era of glory with the terrorist attacks of September 11 and the War on Terrorism: Bandar’s men fomented disorder wherever the United States wanted to intervene.

In the current period, the image of the jihadists needs to be changed. They are now expected to fight alongside NATO, as they once fought alongside the CIA in Afghanistan against the Red Army. It is therefore advisable to revert to the pro-Western discourse of the past and to find a substitute for anti-communism. This will be the ideological task of Sheikh Youssef al-Qardawi.

To facilitate this makeover, Washington has announced the official death of Osama bin Laden. With their father figure gone, the mercenaries of Prince Bandar can be mobilized under a new banner.

This redistribution of roles is accompanied by a game of musical chairs in Washington.

General David Petraeus, who as commander of CENTCOM was to deal with the men of Bandar in the Middle East, became the director of the CIA. We must therefore expect an accelerated withdrawal of NATO troops from Afghanistan and greater involvement of Bandar’s people in the secret operations of the CIA.

Leon Panetta, the outgoing director of the CIA, became the secretary of defence. According to the internal agreement of the U.S. ruling class, this post should be reserved for a member of the Baker-Hamilton Commission. Panetta, like Gates, was a member. In the case of new wars, he would limit ground deployment, except for Special Forces.

In Riyadh and Washington they have already drafted the death certificate of the “Arab Spring.” The Sudairi can say about the Middle East what Il Gattopardo (the Leopard) used to say about Italy: “everything must change so that everything can stay the same and we can remain masters.”

Thierry Meyssan

==================

Also to correct this: the type of shariah the writer meant was of the type the wahhabis rule, not clear and real shariah law. I urge everyone to read this article to describe the events unfolding in the ME. the thing about afghanistan was, that the mujahideen went their own way and estabilished a islamic emirate under clean shariah law.

Here from george galloway, a non-muslim analyst, he thinks exactly the same: the regime has been betraying for years but not the syrian people




http://www.voltairenet.org/The-Middl...ter-revolution
Reply

IslamicRevival
06-28-2012, 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال

That's not one scholar I assure you.. We're not responsible for how shias view themselves and I pray to Allah swt to aid those of them with the right intentions to the right path.. As I have personally been working on three shiite friends to no avail, They still pray only three times if at all observant, they still hold on to magical beliefs and still curse or at least point out what they perceive as 'flaws'
If its not one Scholar its definitely a minority, that's the point i was trying to make. We can point out the false beliefs of Shia (respectfully), of course but we have no right to call them Non Muslim when we as an Ummah have not unanimously agreed and accepted them as such.

If you're not from ahel as'sunnah then you're a shia and I have gone over a brief definition and have already quoted the noble Quran:
I'm sorry to say but this statement is absolutely absurd. Correct me if im wrong but According to your beliefs, either you're part of Ahles Sunnah or you are Shia (Non Muslim)? This is totally contradictory to the teachings of our Nabi Peace Be Upon Him. Its well known the Ummah will eventually split in to 73 sects and only one will be on the true path, all those people who are divided into sects are MUSLIM and Shia is one sect out of 73.

Sahih International
Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only [left] to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do.
Quoting verses from the Quran and trying to interpret them is a dangerous thing to do, unless you're a learned scholar of the Deen. We should take heed and listen to what Allah Subhana Wata' Ala is telling us, 'Their affair is only [left] to Allah', and it ends there as far as i'm concerned.

and tons of other verses on the matter.. willful ignorance isn't an excuse especially when seeking knowledge specifically Islamic knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim. I'd understand in the case of some poor villagers with major economic and geopolitical problems that they're raised and die on what they know and don't sway as the prophet PBUH used to seek refuge from the three things, disease, poverty and ignorance as they go hand in hand.. but what is the excuse of these will to do folks with access to books and a free mind to discern?

:w:
Well we must understand the roots of the Shia and how they formed, These people are lovers of Hussain, May Allah be pleased with him! Shia are Muslim but they've clearly been mislead by their scholars. I'm not making excuses for their misguidance, no one is but facts are when they formed they were known as Muslims and they still are.

Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset


Mash'Allah, I seen this video a couple of years ago and its the truth and nothing but the truth. Words of wisdom are rare to find and this Sheikh has truly spoken them

Originally Posted by Cbdullahii
He's a sufi?
And your point is? Most of the great Scholars of the past were Sufi. Its a shame you had to 'Flag' the word Sufi in such a way, Sufi'ism is the most misunderstood part of Islam and its a crying shame because If we truly understood the true teachings of Sufi'sm, most of us would be Sufi's!
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by Vision
Its well known the Ummah will eventually split in to 73 sects and only one will be on the true path
And what does that mean to you personally that one of 73 is on the right path? since I fail to see the contradiction in my statement.. Rather what you've just posted affirms it.

:w:
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 04:35 PM
This forum is taking a sad turn from Aqeedah.. rather than steering folks to the straight & narrow we create an umbrella under which all forms of deviance is considered virtuous... sob7an Allah...
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 04:43 PM
Only because we dont agree on your opinion you claim that this forum is turning away from aqeedah? I think it was you who tried to insult people like me and put up assumptions by claiming me to be a assad supporter.. Thats not a character of a muslim. No but i am anti-west, anti-israel and anti-tyrant rulers, also against betrayers who have took the kafir(Nato, israel and KSA) as allies.

Vision was right on this very part, everyone who according to you isnt on the right path is a shia? Lol what? I hope the syrian rebels will repent to Allah for their alliance with the kufar. Not even christians and jews but kufar. They didnt rely on Allah, but on the west and Nato-backed libya.

They can keep their weapons now overthrow that al-assad and fear the consequences. Syria is a heat-bron for israel, USA and russia. So this uprising was hijacked almost form the start. you claimed that jordan was a more strategic location? wrong. Jordan may be even closer to the holy cities but for a WW3-launching scenario syria is the most strategic one.

What will you do? NATO isnt waiting any longer, saturday a international talk on syria in geneva. Like they did in paris before libya intervention. Isnt it a coincidence that iran is to be excluded from the talks?
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 04:47 PM
Quran & sunnah aren't opinion, they're the essence of Islam. If you desire another path you're welcome to it!
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 05:05 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
you claimed that jordan was a more strategic location? wrong
in adherence of Ali ibn Abu talib's wisdom I'll not waste my time much further... I"l however post a map of Jordan for folks to decide if being surrounded by Iraq, Saudi, Egypt, Palestine, Syria and Israel is more strategic or if your state of amentia (in any of what you write) has some semblance of truth or reality, common sense or even a remote strateg thought!


best,
Reply

IslamicRevival
06-28-2012, 05:09 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
And what does that mean to you personally that one of 73 is on the right path? since I fail to see the contradiction in my statement.. Rather what you've just posted affirms it.

:w:
You claimed
If you're not from ahel as'sunnah then you're a shia
How can you only be either Shia (Non Muslim) or part of Ahles Sunnah when its well known the' Ummah' (All Muslim) will split in to 73 sects? Its totally contradictory to what our Nabi Peace Be Upon Him taught us.

Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
This forum is taking a sad turn from Aqeedah.. rather than steering folks to the straight & narrow we create an umbrella under which all forms of deviance is considered virtuous... sob7an Allah...
Sorry to say but its this sort of self righteous attitude which has destroyed the Ummah. Calling people who disagree with your way of thinking Deviants, Non Muslim, Pigs etc etc is hateful, if you think this is the way to 'steer folks to the straight and narrow path' then may Allah help us all.

I will sign off with posting this beautiful Nasheed and hopefully we can all learn a thing or two about how we should behave towards one other.
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
Quran & sunnah aren't opinion, they're the essence of Islam. If you desire another path you're welcome to it!
Nope Alhamdulillah i stick to sunnah and qu'ran. But i mean regarding your opinion on syria via exo-politics. Also we should stay away to use texts litteraly from the media because its a form of MK-ULTRA. People think of dajjal being released that its just a simple test, while the prophet(Saw) mentioned that it will be the hardest test between Adam(As) and the day of judgement. This includes muslims being decieved, and believe me there are alot.

When media documents on al-assad killing protestors (And yes he did, but not on the massive scale what they claim), like they did with Mosadeq, mosadeq was before our birth in 1953, but the CIA started to gun down people, bomb masjids&schools, and even created posters and pamphlets which mentioned: Allah down, mosadeq and communism up. And the people believed this, so a coup was staged and a US-backed government started to come into place. This was called operation Ajax, now compare this to the current syrian situation. Dont remain stubborn, its clearly history what i am writing now. We should refrain from being optimistic and take everything as truth. research the situations to the ground, compare it with history.


Originally Posted by Vision
Sorry to say but its this sort of self righteous attitude which has destroyed the Ummah. Calling people who disagree with your way of thinking Deviants, Non Muslim, Pigs etc etc is hateful, if you think this is the way to 'steer folks to the straight and narrow path' then may Allah help us all.

I will sign off with posting this beautiful Nasheed and hopefully we can all learn a thing or two about how we should behave towards one other.
True and sorry to say sis but its kind of a lazy attitude you've shown there, its a wahhabi attitude. They think everyone who doesnt accept them are mushrik. Do you know that you are supporting dajjal's agenda right now? By keeping unity with muslims away from each other?

Best regards,

:sl:
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 05:25 PM
Originally Posted by Vision
You claimed
Indeed and thank you for confirming me it with the hadith you shared!

How can you only be either Shia (Non Muslim) or part of Ahles Sunnah when its well known the' Ummah' (All Muslim) will split in to 73 sects? Its totally contradictory to what our Nabi Peace Be Upon Him taught us.
Show me that he taught that it is OK to split with factions and I'll gladly eat my statements up!



Sorry to say but its this sort of self righteous attitude which has destroyed the Ummah. Calling people who disagree with your way of thinking Deviants, Non Muslim, Pigs etc etc is hateful, if you think this is the way to 'steer folks to the straight and narrow path' then may Allah help us all.
Again, not about my way of thinking it about deviating from Quran & sunnah, I reference you to my earlier posts (with direct quotes from the Quran) and the hadith you yourself were so generous as to share.

:w:
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
in adherence of Ali ibn Abu talib's wisdom I'll not waste my time much further... I"l however post a map of Jordan for folks to decide if being surrounded by Iraq, Saudi, Egypt, Palestine, Syria and Israel is more strategic or if your state of amentia (in any of what you write) has some semblance of truth or reality, common sense or even a remote strateg thought!


best,
Fail, Jordan has only interests from US-israel. But Syria in this case has interest for russia, china, iran, lebanon, iraq, israel, turkey and the USA. When a war breaks out in jordan, this will only involve KSA, USA and israel probably. But in case of syria it will involve also russia and especially Iran. So when the US attacks Syria, it will also attack hezbollah and attack iran. And this is 3 in one shot. And this will bring something much bigger then thought. And it will attack the hamas movement in palestine, why? because syria was the only place where arms were funneled through for hamas. And reminds me of this

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A'maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Medina (to counteract them). When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans would say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them. They will then fight and a third (part) of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army). which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah's eye, would be killed ani the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople. And as they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry: The Dajjal has taken your place among your family. They would then come out, but it would be of no avail. And when they would come to Syria, he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks. Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Jesus (peace be upon him) son of Mary would descend and would lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would (disappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ).

anyone who doesnt agree with you has lack of knowledge or ''amentia''. You are so nafsi, take away the pride, arrogance from your heart.

Where is tafseer i asked from since you are inteprenting qu'ran surahs your own way? You are not a sheikh. You come out looking like more intelligent then you really are...failing to study history, exo-politics and such.
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 05:34 PM
Truly a sign of the time when the ignorant infiltrate and the rest remain silent.
'Abdullah said, "The Prophet said, 'Just before the Hour, there will be days in which knowledge will disappear and ignorance will appear, and there will be much killing.' " [Ibn Majah; also narrated by al-Bukhari and Muslim, from the hadith of al-A'mash]

If there were ever a war against Israel- and if Jordan along with the environing nations fell to the hands of Muslims you so desperately wish to quiet then the legions would go through there.. It is really simple common sense..
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 05:38 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
Truly a sign of the time when the ignorant infiltrate and the rest remain silent.
'Abdullah said, "The Prophet said, 'Just before the Hour, there will be days in which knowledge will disappear and ignorance will appear, and there will be much killing.' " [Ibn Majah; also narrated by al-Bukhari and Muslim, from the hadith of al-A'mash]

If there were ever a war against Israel- and if Jordan along with the environing nations fell to the hands of Muslims you so desperately wish to quiet then the legions would go through there.. It is really simple common sense..
When jordan falls into the hands of muslims, israel will be in danger. But this is also in the case of egypt, lebanon and syria. So again...failed lol.

And it is from hadeeth that the army from syria will liberate the holy land again, because thats where dajjal will be killed at the hands of isa(As) at the gate of lud(At the edges of al-quds) and every follower of him will be killed either.

I'm not ignorant on the fact of matter of exo-politics instead, i've had placed more facts then you ever had. By who are the most articles, studies and evidence posted? i even posted evidence of syria under sanctions from 2002. because syria supported ''terrorism''.

Its you who is ignoring evidence like this: (keep in mind iraq war has ended since 2011)


U.S. official to Israel:
We'll deal with Syria, Iran after Iraq war
(from an Israeli newspaper that often
reveals more truth than US media)

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/263923.html


Monday, February 17, 2003 Adar1 15, 5763 Israel Time: 19:57 (GMT+2)

U.S. official to Israel:
We'll deal with Syria, Iran after Iraq war

By Aluf Benn and Sharon Sadeh, Haaretz Correspondents, Haaretz Service and Agencies



U.S. Undersec'y of State John Bolton
Syria and Iran are next.
(Photo: AP)
U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton said in meetings with Israeli officials on Monday that he has no doubt America will attack Iraq, and that it will be necessary to deal with threats from Syria, Iran and North Korea afterwards. (maybe not that last part... about North Korea... any time soon)

Bolton, who is undersecretary for arms control and international security, is in Israel for meetings about preventing the spread of weapons of mass destruction.

In a meeting with Bolton on Monday, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said that Israel is concerned about the security threat posed by Iran. It's important to deal with Iran even while American attention is turned toward Iraq, Sharon said.

Bolton also met with Foreign Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Housing and Construction Minister Natan Sharansky.
NOTE: Netanyahu and Sharansky along with Sharon are all well known for their avowal of the right of settlement and eventual claim to the West Bank and Gaza as part of Greater Israel -- although Sharon is currently lying that he is willing to enter into a peace process again after Iraq and other Arab nations are vanquished by the U.S. military. Is Bush such a fool, or does he know he is cooperating with these criminals?



Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
When jordan falls into the hands of muslims, israel will be in danger. But this is also in the case of egypt, lebanon and syria. So again...failed lol.

And it is from hadeeth that the army from syria will liberate the holy land again, because thats where dajjal will be killed at the hands of isa(As) at the gate of lud and every follower of him will be killed either.
fails apparently in the confines of your very confused mind as you seem utterly inept at an abstract thought. The whole concept of city state and pan nationalism doesn't exist in Islam nor would it when the day comes for the end of the world signs to roll.. and that won't happen under an Alwaite regime..
so give it up unless you're posting this for the three or four of you who are indoctrinated in the same school.

best
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 05:52 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
fails apparently in the confines of your very confused mind as you seem utterly inept at an abstract thought. The whole concept of city state and pan nationalism doesn't exist in Islam nor would it when the day comes for the end of the world signs to roll.. and that won't happen under an Alwaite regime..
so give it up unless you're posting this for the three or four of you who are indoctrinated in the same school.

best
It looks like you are more confused then the zionists themselves, because you apparantly have watched too much al-jazeera (Which has links with israel because its owned by both 2 french-jewish brothers) and qatari media corporation.

I never said the current army of syria will liberate al-quds. Again your assumptions have backfired on you many times and by the will of Allah, He showed me the signs. Which you certainly didnt saw in your confused state. Your Ego is in danger, so you starting to insult everyone who doesnt agree with you. And this to me is a sign, that you are on the losing side. Who showed facts, evidence, and even PDF's? Not you, most of your posts are constructed of your own opinion.

Stop inteprenting qu'ran verses you are not a ulema. You need tafsir ibn kathir.

''Al Jazeera English (AJE) is an international 24-hour English-language news and current affairs TV channel headquartered in Doha, Qatar. It is the sister channel of the Arabic-language Al Jazeera.'Lol its zionist owned

''Al Jazeera (Arabic: الجزيرة‎ al-ǧazīrah IPA: [æl dʒæˈziːrɐ], literally "The Island", abbreviating "The [Arabian] Peninsula"; also Aljazeera or JSC [Jazeera Satellite Channel]) is an independent[3][4] broadcaster owned by the state of Qatar through the Qatar Media Corporation and headquartered in Doha, Qatar. Initially launched as an Arabic news and current affairs satellite TV channel,''

Its masonic owned


=====


i'm not giving up until you see the truth Insha'Allah. Even made dua for you. You are the so-called famous sis on IB but i've cornered you , because you ignored the evidence many times. Evidence whichi s greater then merely a opinion, is that this uprising in syria was western backed because it was their goal since 9/11 to overthrow the syrian regime.
Reply

IslamicRevival
06-28-2012, 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
Show me that he taught that it is OK to split with factions and I'll gladly eat my statements up!
:w:
Our Nabi 'Peace Be Upon Him ' didn't teach us to split into sects, rather it was a prophecy.

Dawud :: Book 40 : Hadith 4579

Narrated AbuHurayrah:
'The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.'

Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
If you're not from ahel as'sunnah then you're a shia
Your claim (quoted above) is totally contradictory to what our Nabi, Peace Be Upon Him taught us.

Again, not about my way of thinking it about deviating from Quran & sunnah
They are your personal views and I respectfully disagree.

I reference you to my earlier posts (with direct quotes from the Quran) and the hadith you yourself were so generous as to share.
Well done you for quoting the Quran and Hadith, I choose not to disrespect the Quran by quoting verses i have no knowledge of.
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by Vision
Our Nabi 'Peace Be Upon Him ' didn't teach us to split into sects, rather it was a prophecy.

Dawud :: Book 40 : Hadith 4579

Narrated AbuHurayrah:
'The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.'
YES, that's good progress and we agree.. what is the problem?


Your claim (quoted above) is totally contradictory to what our Nabi, Peace Be Upon Him taught us.
What is the claim and where is the contradiction?


They are your personal views and I respectfully disagree.
Surely you concede that I didn't author the Quran.


Well done you for quoting the Quran and Hadith, I choose not to disrespect the Quran by quoting verses i have no knowledge of.
Well then I urge you to look at the accepted scholastic exegesis of said verses.

:w:
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 06:12 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
He showed me the signs. Which you certainly didnt saw in your confused state
How did God do that? & congratulations you're on your way to tel-evengelism :) - hallelujah
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 06:12 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
YES, that's good progress and we agree.. what is the problem?[/I]


What is the claim and where is the contradiction?


Surely you concede that I didn't author the Quran.



Well then I urge you to look at the accepted scholastic exegesis of said verses.

:w:
Use tafsirs the next hand, we are not allowed to inteprent quran surahs because we dont have the knowledge. You post qu'ran verses without tafsir and post your own reply/opinion under it. i've suggested u many times to use tafsirs, but simply u ignore it.

Only because i've a deviated mind according to you doesnt mean i am not right. Its you who has lack of common sense, history and surely exo-politics. And your replies prove this to the utter point. Alhamdulillah i've still brothers and sisters who stand at my side, who know the truth about this matrix. Who can see through the decpetions being laid by the media.
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 06:15 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
Use tafsirs the next hand, we are not allowed to inteprent quran surahs because we dont have the knowledge. You post qu'ran verses without tafsir and post your own reply/opinion under it. i've suggested u many times to use tafsirs, but simply u ignore it.

Only because i've a deviated mind according to you doesnt mean i am not right. Its you who has lack of common sense, history and surely exo-politics.
You google 90% of your knowledge why is googling ibn kathir difficult in this case? I can't imagine you'd want to pass the opportunity to prove something I have directly quoted and commented on as an epic fail..
Are you afraid you'd find something that contradicts your brand of Islam?
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 06:19 PM
at any rate there ya go:
﴿أَنْ أَقِيمُواْ الدِّينَ وَلاَ تَتَفَرَّقُواْ فِيهِ﴾
((Saying) that you should establish religion and make no divisions in it.) ﴿42:13﴾, and similar Ayat in the Qur'an, "Allah commanded the believers to adhere to the Jama`ah and forbade them from causing divisions and disputes. He informed them that those before them were destroyed because of divisions and disputes in the religion of Allah.'' Similar was said by Mujahid and several others. Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal recorded that `Abdullah bin Mas`ud said, "The Messenger of Allah drew a line with his hand (in the sand) and said,
»
(This is Allah's path, leading straight.) He then drew lines to the right and left of that line and said,
«هَذِهِ السُّبُلُ لَيْسَ مِنْهَا سَبِيلٌ إِلَّا عَلَيْهِ شَيْطَانٌ يَدْعُو إِلَيْه»
(These are the other paths, on each path there is a devil who calls to it.) He then recited,
﴿وَأَنَّ هَـذَا صِرَطِي مُسْتَقِيمًا فَاتَّبِعُوهُ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعُواْ السُّبُلَ فَتَفَرَّقَ بِكُمْ عَن سَبِيلِهِ﴾
(And verily, this is My straight path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His path.)﴿6:153﴾'' Al-Hakim also recorded this Hadith and said; "Its chain is Sahih, but they did not record it.'' Imam Ahmad and `Abd bin Humayd recorded (and this is the wording of Ahmad) that Jabir said; "We were sitting with the Prophet when he drew a line in front of him and said,
«هَذَا سَبِيلُ الله»
(This is Allah's path.) He also drew two lines to its right and two lines to its left and said,
«هَذِهِ سُبُلُ الشَّيْطَان»
(These are the paths of Shaytan.) He then placed his hand on the middle path and recited this Ayah;
﴿وَأَنَّ هَـذَا صِرَطِي مُسْتَقِيمًا فَاتَّبِعُوهُ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعُواْ السُّبُلَ فَتَفَرَّقَ بِكُمْ عَن سَبِيلِهِ ذَلِكُمْ وَصَّـكُمْ بِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ ﴾
(153. And verily, this is My straight path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His path. This He has ordained for you that you may have Taqwa.)
Imam Ahmad, Ibn Majah, in the Book of the Sunnah in his Sunan, and Al-Bazzar collected this Hadith. Ibn Jarir recorded that a man asked Ibn Mas`ud, "What is As-Sirat Al-Mustaqim (the straight path)'' Ibn Mas`ud replied, "Muhammad left us at its lower end and its other end is in Paradise. To the right of this Path are other paths, and to the left of it are other paths, and there are men (on these paths) calling those who pass by them. Whoever goes on the other paths will end up in the Fire. Whoever takes the Straight Path, will end up in Paradise.'' Ibn Mas`ud then recited the Ayah;
﴿وَأَنَّ هَـذَا صِرَطِي مُسْتَقِيمًا فَاتَّبِعُوهُ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعُواْ السُّبُلَ فَتَفَرَّقَ بِكُمْ عَن سَبِيلِهِ﴾
(And verily, this is My straight path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His path.)'" Imam Ahmad recorded that, An-Nawwas bin Sam`an said that the Messenger of Allah said,
«ضَرَبَ اللهُ مَثَلًا صِرَاطًا مُسْتَقِيمًا، وَعَنْ جَنْبَي الصِّرَاطِ سُورَانِ فِيهِمَا أَبْوَابٌ مُفَتَّحَةٌ، وَعَلَى الْأَبْوَابِ سُتُورٌ مُرْخَاةٌ وَعَلَى بَابِ الصِّرَاطِ دَاعٍ يَدْعُو: يَا أَيَّهَا النَّاسُ هَلُمُّوا ادْخُلُوا الصِّرَاطَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ جَمِيعًا وَلَا تَفَرَّقُوا وَدَاعٍ يَدْعُو مِنْ فَوْقِ الصِّرَاطِ فَإِذَا أَرَادَ الِإنْسَانُ أَنْ يَفْتَحَ شَيْئًا مِنْ تِلْكَ الْأَبْوَابِ قَالَ وَيْحَكَ لَا تَفْتَحْهُ فَإِنَّكَ إِنْ فَتَحْتَهُ تَلِجْهُ فَالصِّرَاطُ الإِسْلَامُ وَالسُّورَانِ حُدُودُ اللهِ وَالْأَبْوَابُ الْمُفَتَّحَةُ مَحَارِمُ اللهِ وَذَلِكَ الدَّاعِي عَلَى رَأْسِ الصِّرَاطِ كِتَابُ اللهِ، وَالدَّاعِي مِنْ فَوْقِ الصِّرَاطِ وَاعِظُ اللهِ فِي قَلْبِ كُلِّ مُسْلِم»
(Allah has given a parable of the straight path, and on the two sides of this path, there are two walls containing door ways. On these door ways, there are curtains that are lowered down. on the gate of this path there is a caller heralding, `O people! come and enter the straight path all together and do not divide. ' There is also another caller that heralds from above the path, who says when a person wants to remove the curtain on any of these doors, `Woe to you! Do not open this door, for if you open it, you will enter it. The (straight) path is Islam, the two walls are Allah's set limits, the open doors lead to Allah's prohibitions, the caller on the gate of the path is Allah's Book (the Qur'an), while the caller from above the path is Allah's admonition in the heart of every Muslim.) At-Tirmidhi and An-Nasa'i also recorded this Hadith, and At-Tirmidhi said, "Hasan Gharib.'' Allah's statement,
﴿فَاتَّبِعُوهُ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعُواْ السُّبُلَ﴾
(so follow it, and follow not (other) paths...) describes Allah's path in the singular sense, because truth is one. Allah describes the other paths in the plural, because they are many and are divided.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...=945&Itemid=61
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
You google 90% of your knowledge why is googling ibn kathir difficult in this case? I can't imagine you'd want to pass the opportunity to prove something I have directly quoted and commented on as an epic fail..
Are you afraid you'd find something that contradicts your brand of Islam?
My brand of islam is Ahlus sunnah wal jamaah. And yes i'm googling my knowledge from many analysts, reports and evidences made by the even locals themselves. You instead quote al-jewzeera lol. Your replies are a epic fail at the first hand. Dont twist things. Because i've seen it in this thread, who ran away many times and who ignored evidences? When u've seen clearly rebels made with american weapons, the ones who have took shaytaan as allies. The wahhabi agenda in syria is too obvious to see. And the alewite either.


Only because you've seen syrian conditions before this uprising doesnt make you to prove everything right.

Here is a syrian speaking from behalf, shocking is she is not even alewite or shia but a sunni:

''without the Syrian army we all be dead by now
dont bellieve the media
I mean when the Us or Israel wanted the best for Syria
they want our president to go cause he is the only honorable prisedent in the Arabic world
and he is the only one with palastine and in Syria we dont have israelian embassy and we will not have
The Syrian army is killing the terrorestics
the terroristics came from al qaeda and from other countries too who r killing the Syrian people
and there is a million prove for that
and today the distroy and attack a Syrian channel(alekhbaria alsouria)
they killed everyone was in the building
just because that channel say the truth
I just wanna say Waaaaaaake up and find the truth about Syria
God protect Syria and our president Bashar alasad and our army
alsalam alaykom''

Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 06:23 PM
See last post & cut the crap. Everyone sees through the transparency of your charade. I don't read compendiums of bull ****, fuzzy logic and absurd assertions, you're not convincing me of anything!

best,
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 06:28 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
See last post & cut the crap. Everyone sees through the transparency of your charade. I don't read compendiums of bull ****, fuzzy logic and absurd assertions, you're not convincing me of anything!

best,
I am not convincing you because of your stubborness (just like in the vaccine thread) , but i've convinced many others.

A sunni syrian spoke to us:


''without the Syrian army we all be dead by now
dont bellieve the media
I mean when the Us or Israel wanted the best for Syria
they want our president to go cause he is the only honorable prisedent in the Arabic world
and he is the only one with palastine and in Syria we dont have israelian embassy and we will not have
The Syrian army is killing the terrorestics
the terroristics came from al qaeda and from other countries too who r killing the Syrian people
and there is a million prove for that
and today the distroy and attack a Syrian channel(alekhbaria alsouria)
they killed everyone was in the building
just because that channel say the truth
I just wanna say Waaaaaaake up and find the truth about Syria
God protect Syria and our president Bashar alasad and our army
alsalam alaykom''
Reply

IslamicRevival
06-28-2012, 06:29 PM
Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
YES, that's good progress and we agree.. what is the problem?
What is the claim and where is the contradiction?
You have no right to claim one is either a Shia (Non Muslim according to you) or from Ahles Sunnah.

Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
If you're not from ahel as'sunnah then you're a shia
Our Nabi Peace Be Upon Him taught us his Ummah will split into 73 sects, He, peace be upon him did not say the Ummah will either be Shia (Non Muslim according to you) or from Ahles Sunnah.

Surely you concede that I didn't author the Quran.
If you want me to be blunt, i will. In my personal opinion and i say this with all due respect, your views are not in line with the Quran and Sunnah. Quran is perfect in every sense but man has unfortunately failed to understand it hence the confusion and state the Ummah is in today.

Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
See last post & cut the crap. Everyone sees through the transparency of your charade. I don't read compendiums of bull ****, fuzzy logic and absurd assertions, you're not convincing me of anything!

best,
Quoting Quran/Hadith one minute and using such foul language the next says a lot.
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 06:33 PM
Originally Posted by Vision
You have no right to claim one is either a Shia (Non Muslim according to you) or from Ahles Sunnah.



Our Nabi Peace Be Upon Him taught us his Ummah will split into 73 sects, He, peace be upon him did not say the Ummah will either be Shia (Non Muslim according to you) or from Ahles Sunnah.


If you want me to be blunt, i will. In my personal opinion and i say this with all due respect, your views are not in line with the Quran and Sunnah. Quran is perfect in every sense but man has unfortunately failed to understand it hence the confusion and state the Ummah is in today.



Quoting Quran/Hadith one minute and using such foul language the next says a lot.
Brother she is compromised thats why she is going nuts, she lets her shaytaan(Nafs, qarin) speaking rather than her imaan, its typical female nature.
Reply

Aprender
06-28-2012, 06:38 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
Only because i've a deviated mind according to you doesnt mean i am not right. Its you who has lack of common sense, history and surely exo-politics. And your replies prove this to the utter point. Alhamdulillah i've still brothers and sisters who stand at my side, who know the truth about this matrix. Who can see through the decpetions being laid by the media.
Brother, I am worried about you. What has happened to you? I remember one year ago you came here on this message board to us telling us about your family not liking Islam and because of that you were having a hard time going to take your shahada. You were willing to risk possibly losing your family just to become a Muslim. And many members here, even the sister that you are having a disagreement with right now, was encouraging you to hold onto your faith and practice Islam in secret if you had to. And now here we are, a year later or so and this is what your posts have turned into surrounding politics and things that haven't happened yet.

waAllahi, I do not want to wrong you in any way with the words that I am writing to you right now and the only reason I say this is because I miss the humility that you used to have. News articles are great for one thing in that they're good records of the past. We can go back and look at news archives and see the mistakes that were made in articles, see decisions that political leaders made, see the chronology of uprisings and so much more. But that's just it. These are things that have happened in the past. And we can look to PDFs of political research and scan voting data to make some political predictions about voting practices or who might win an election but none of this is infallible.

And even though political leaders plot and plan things, you have to remember that Allah alone decides what is going to happen. He is Al Alim and Al Muqtadir! We can sit on this forum and talk about what we might think will happen but that's just it. These are merely our thoughts. Everything can change in an instant. Allah (swt) is the best of planners. He knows. You do not know. None of us know what is going to happen.

I am worried because you wrote "I never said the current army of syria will liberate al-quds. Again your assumptions have backfired on you many times and by the will of Allah, He showed me the signs. Which you certainly didnt saw in your confused state. Your Ego is in danger, so you starting to insult everyone who doesn't agree with you. And this to me is a sign, that you are on the losing side."

Brother, you don't know who is going to be on the losing side. And what you wrote above is worrisome to me because this is the rhetoric that those Christians who predict when the rapture is going to come use when they say they were given "signs" about things that have not happened yet. We must guard ourselves from speaking about what we do not know at all times. It's OK for us to have opinions but none of us knows what is going to happen. Being wrong and making mistakes is what can lead us to humbling ourselves in repentance and being broken in front of Allah. It is better than being right about any political predictions or even some good deeds that could lead us down the path of arrogance.

May Allah help us guard our tongues and worship Him in the correct way. Ameeeeeen
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 06:45 PM
I know sis, we all have our battles currently i'm in a huge battle right to control my desires and to control my anger. I shouldnt have spoken in such a inappriopate manner. Thank you for your concern because its rightfully.

But what i want to reach is that people need to look behind all the media nonsense being spewed, these are dangerous times we are living in. Syria has been the theater not only since 2011 but since 2002. When bush imposed sanctions on it and wanted already war with it since then. So why people are jumping on me when i say its western-backed?
Reply

GuestFellow
06-28-2012, 06:47 PM
Originally Posted by Vision
Which Scholars? The majority of Muslims classify Shia as Muslims, albeit misguided and its been this way for decades. Yes there are some who have extreme views which totally contradict the teachings of Islam but you cant judge every single Shia based on the actions of a minority. Shia are Muslim and nothing less, If they werent, the Ummah would universally accept them as such, just like we universally accept Qadyani's as being Non Muslim.
Salaam,

It does not matter what the majority of Muslims believe. Our beliefs should be based on Islamic texts.
Reply

جوري
06-28-2012, 06:48 PM
Originally Posted by Vision
You have no right to claim one is either a Shia (Non Muslim according to you) or from Ahles Sunnah.
They've so declared themselves. I have no way of knowing who is what unless they say so.. it is simple!

Our Nabi Peace Be Upon Him taught us his Ummah will split into 73 sects, He, peace be upon him did not say the Ummah will either be Shia (Non Muslim according to you) or from Ahles Sunnah.
Semantics .. what does sect mean to you? and I reference you the tafsir I enclosed above!


If you want me to be blunt, i will. In my personal opinion and i say this with all due respect, your views are not in line with the Quran and Sunnah. Quran is perfect in every sense but man has unfortunately failed to understand it hence the confusion and state the Ummah is in today.
& you're most welcome to prove me wrong.. we can all stand to learn something. It isn't about ego or majority vote. You learn from scholars, you discern, you pass the knowledge. Sugar coating and concessions in the fundamental isn't acceptable, the fundamentals of aqeedah are a done deal!



Quoting Quran/Hadith one minute and using such foul language the next says a lot.
In what way care to elaborate? fully incorporating where one party was purely civil while the other purely foul!
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 06:57 PM
Originally Posted by Aprender
Brother, I am worried about you. What has happened to you? I remember one year ago you came here on this message board to us telling us about your family not liking Islam and because of that you were having a hard time going to take your shahada. You were willing to risk possibly losing your family just to become a Muslim. And many members here, even the sister that you are having a disagreement with right now, was encouraging you to hold onto your faith and practice Islam in secret if you had to. And now here we are, a year later or so and this is what your posts have turned into surrounding politics and things that haven't happened yet.

waAllahi, I do not want to wrong you in any way with the words that I am writing to you right now and the only reason I say this is because I miss the humility that you used to have. News articles are great for one thing in that they're good records of the past. We can go back and look at news archives and see the mistakes that were made in articles, see decisions that political leaders made, see the chronology of uprisings and so much more. But that's just it. These are things that have happened in the past. And we can look to PDFs of political research and scan voting data to make some political predictions about voting practices or who might win an election but none of this is infallible.

And even though political leaders plot and plan things, you have to remember that Allah alone decides what is going to happen. He is Al Alim and Al Muqtadir! We can sit on this forum and talk about what we might think will happen but that's just it. These are merely our thoughts. Everything can change in an instant. Allah (swt) is the best of planners. He knows. You do not know. None of us know what is going to happen.

I am worried because you wrote "I never said the current army of syria will liberate al-quds. Again your assumptions have backfired on you many times and by the will of Allah, He showed me the signs. Which you certainly didnt saw in your confused state. Your Ego is in danger, so you starting to insult everyone who doesn't agree with you. And this to me is a sign, that you are on the losing side."

Brother, you don't know who is going to be on the losing side. And what you wrote above is worrisome to me because this is the rhetoric that those Christians who predict when the rapture is going to come use when they say they were given "signs" about things that have not happened yet. We must guard ourselves from speaking about what we do not know at all times. It's OK for us to have opinions but none of us knows what is going to happen. Being wrong and making mistakes is what can lead us to humbling ourselves in repentance and being broken in front of Allah. It is better than being right about any political predictions or even some good deeds that could lead us down the path of arrogance.

May Allah help us guard our tongues and worship Him in the correct way. Ameeeeeen
I know sis, we all have our battles currently i'm in a huge battle right to control my desires and to control my anger. I shouldnt have spoken in such a inappriopate manner. Thank you for your concern because its rightfully.

But what i want to reach is that people need to look behind all the media nonsense being spewed, these are dangerous times we are living in. Syria has been the theater not only since 2011 but since 2002. When bush imposed sanctions on it and wanted already war with it since then. So why people are jumping on me when i say its western-backed?

With things such as facebook, twitter and YT its not a suprise that they want syria to be in full chaos so they're gonna invade, as i said clearly that they dont care about their puppets, they just want the full spectrum dominance. They're arming the rebels through turkey, jordan, KSA and iraq, so the rebels are clearly western backed.

Search operation Ajax to have more a clear view about this happening in syria. The murder of the syrian TV staff is completely ignored here.

Here is Bassma kodmani from the SNC leaving the bilderberg conference:



And the SNC is the head of the opposition!!!!
Reply

Scimitar
06-28-2012, 07:09 PM
TV lies, tabloid lies, radio lies, website lies, lies lies lies...

the truth? Get the Kuffar out of Muslim lands NOW. Let us deal with our own mess - coz that "other" way doesn't work.

Syria? t's a piece of meat that the west want badly... understand that. If USA manage to deploy long term military bases there, they would have managed to put one massive jigsaw piece into the puzzle that is NWO.

Bashar needs to go, and he will... like I said somewhere else, USA told KSA to go and deploy troops to fight against Bashars troops in Syria - all this serves to accomplish is more death, and worse, disrepute Islam as a religion of intolerance - a perferct platform for the Kuffar to shout "WE TOLD YOU SO"... Don't you get it? Bashar Shi'ite Islam VS Suadi Wahhabi Uber Strict Right Wing Islam... both are bad examples. Engineered to play out like this? Ofcourse...

Yup, that wolf is drooling bigtime.

Scimi
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Scimitar
TV lies, tabloid lies, radio lies, website lies, lies lies lies...

the truth? Get the Kuffar out of Muslim lands NOW. Let us deal with our own mess - coz that "other" way doesn't work.

Syria? t's a piece of meat that the west want badly... understand that. If USA manage to deploy long term military bases there, they would have managed to put one massive jigsaw piece into the puzzle that is NWO.

Bashar needs to go, and he will... like I said somewhere else, USA told KSA to go and deploy troops to fight against Bashars troops in Syria - all this serves to accomplish is more death, and worse, disrepute Islam as a religion of intolerance - a perferct platform for the Kuffar to shout "WE TOLD YOU SO"... Don't you get it? Bashar Shi'ite Islam VS Suadi Wahhabi Uber Strict Right Wing Islam... both are bad examples. Engineered to play out like this? Ofcourse...

Yup, that wolf is drooling bigtime.

Scimi
This^ Spot on Masha'Allah
Reply

Aprender
06-28-2012, 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
But what i want to reach is that people need to look behind all the media nonsense being spewed, these are dangerous times we are living in. Syria has been the theater not only since 2011 but since 2002. When bush imposed sanctions on it and wanted already war with it since then. So why people are jumping on me when i say its western-backed?
I totally, totally understand that and I know that there is a lot of nonsense in the media. That's part of the reason why I quit my job as a journalist before I got in too deep.

I don't think that the sister here disagrees with you that there is a lot of BS in the media. As far as I can remember she's been pretty vocal about that too with other members here were posting those types of articles. But I also don't think we should be here making assumptions about one another either. We can do more to try and respect the other points of views that people have to get a more panoramic view of the political landscape. We don't all see the world in the same way. It's OK to disagree but no need to hurl personal insults and let our anger take control of us just because another person might have a different point of view.

Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
she lets her shaytaan(Nafs, qarin) speaking rather than her imaan, its typical female nature.
No need to talk about the state of others nafs or ego either because we are all susceptible to this. As a Muslim woman I am disappointed that you would say this about your fellow sisters. I used to be a Christian not too long ago and this is standard Christian thinking that women are the cause of all evil in the world and men are better than women. Though this is alluded to in the Bible, the Quran does not say this.

We can all fall down sometimes.
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 07:33 PM
Originally Posted by Aprender
I totally, totally understand that and I know that there is a lot of nonsense in the media. That's part of the reason why I quit my job as a journalist before I got in too deep.

I don't think that the sister here disagrees with you that there is a lot of BS in the media. As far as I can remember she's been pretty vocal about that too with other members here were posting those types of articles. But I also don't think we should be here making assumptions about one another either. We can do more to try and respect the other points of views that people have to get a more panoramic view of the political landscape. We don't all see the world in the same way. It's OK to disagree but no need to hurl personal insults and let our anger take control of us just because another person might have a different point of view.


No need to talk about the state of others nafs or ego either because we are all susceptible to this. As a Muslim woman I am disappointed that you would say this about your fellow sisters. I used to be a Christian not too long ago and this is standard Christian thinking that women are the cause of all evil in the world and men are better than women. Though this is alluded to in the Bible, the Quran does not say this.

We can all fall down sometimes.
Tell her to stop making assumptions either by calling me a ''Assad supporter''. Or follower of my ''own islam''
and yes the post you right quoted was made before i apologized. She started to insult me, i dont see you replying on that. This was clearly the reaction by me because of insults by her.It was she who started to went crap on me, not the other way around and yes i became quite pissed because of that.

Because she couldnt disprove me doesnt mean she needs to go berserk on me, this is a very sign of weakness from her.
Reply

Aprender
06-28-2012, 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
Tell her to stop making assumptions either by calling me a ''Assad supporter''.
and yes the post you right quoted was made before i apologized. She started to insult me, i dont see you replying on that. This was clearly the reaction of insults by her.
I understand. I have already sent her a note in private about it.
Reply

IslamicRevival
06-28-2012, 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
Salaam,

It does not matter what the majority of Muslims believe. Our beliefs should be based on Islamic texts.
If Majority of Scholars agree on one particurlar ruling, it holds weight and that to me is the truth. Just like the Ummah unanimously agreed Qadyani are Non Muslim and we all accept them as such. The Ummah have never classed Shia as Non Muslims, Misguided yes but Muslim.

Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
Semantics .. what does sect mean to you?
I'd rather not play games. If you do not understand my point then i'd rather end this discussion as its leading to a road to nowhere. Peace out
Reply

Jedi_Mindset
06-28-2012, 07:42 PM
Originally Posted by Aprender
I understand. I have already sent her a note in private about it.
The problem is that many of the evidence i post is butthurting many people. Its not a coincidence that the west supported both uprisings in libya and syria and armed the rebels the same way as through syria, there is a great agenda on this right after and i need to quote brother scimi on this:


Originally Posted by Scimitar
TV lies, tabloid lies, radio lies, website lies, lies lies lies...

the truth? Get the Kuffar out of Muslim lands NOW. Let us deal with our own mess - coz that "other" way doesn't work.

Syria? t's a piece of meat that the west want badly... understand that. If USA manage to deploy long term military bases there, they would have managed to put one massive jigsaw piece into the puzzle that is NWO.

Bashar needs to go, and he will... like I said somewhere else, USA told KSA to go and deploy troops to fight against Bashars troops in Syria - all this serves to accomplish is more death, and worse, disrepute Islam as a religion of intolerance - a perferct platform for the Kuffar to shout "WE TOLD YOU SO"... Don't you get it? Bashar Shi'ite Islam VS Suadi Wahhabi Uber Strict Right Wing Islam... both are bad examples. Engineered to play out like this? Ofcourse...

Yup, that wolf is drooling bigtime.

Scimi
What we are seeing here is the paving way of a invasion. Assad was responsible for the arms of hezbollah and hamas. Its also a close ally of Iran, a country the US wants to invade either. In case of israeli attack on Iran, syria will attack israel and in that point they want to destabilize syria.
Reply

Hey there! Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.

When you create an account, you can participate in the discussions and share your thoughts. You also get notifications, here and via email, whenever new posts are made. And you can like posts and make new friends.
Sign Up

IslamicBoard

Experience a richer experience on our mobile app!