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Qurratul Ayn
06-30-2012, 05:16 PM
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Metro News

Coca-Cola and Pepsi 'contain traces of alcohol'
Teetotallers or designated drivers enjoying a can of Coca-Cola and Pepsi will be stunned to find out the ‘soft drinks’ contain traces of alcohol.

The fizzy drinks contain about 10mg of alcohol in every litre, according to French magazine 60 Million Consumers.
The research will also affect Muslims who drink the beverage because their religion forbids alcohol.
Of 19 colas tested, nine brands were alcohol-free, including Auchan, Cora, Casino, Leader Price and Man U-Cola. Ten had traces of alcohol, including Coca-Cola, Pepsi Cola, Coca-Cola Classic Light and* Coke Zero.
Both Pepsi and Coca-Cola admitted the drinks could contain traces of booze because of ingredients and the production process.
Michel Pepin, scientific director for Coca-Cola France, added that the Paris Mosque agreed Muslims could drink the brand.


Source : http://www.metro.co.uk/news/903472-c...ces-of-alcohol

Aplogies, if this has been posted before or if any of y'all knew this. I didn't know about Pepsi up until recently I just found out.
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sister herb
06-30-2012, 05:31 PM
How they then can sell it in Saudi Arabia as like Coca Cola?

^o)

Haven´t we had here enough kind of discussions before?
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Ramadan90
06-30-2012, 05:32 PM
If true...


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introspective
06-30-2012, 05:40 PM
Why don't you verify their primary sources? Which "brands" are under scrutiny? Different countries/markets have different batches.
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sister herb
06-30-2012, 05:43 PM
I have asked it before from those companies and they say these are just rumors, nothing more.
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Qurratul Ayn
06-30-2012, 06:48 PM
I did write apologies in my first post to those who knew anything to do with this "rumour" or whatnot, as I was not aware.

Jeez!

Alright, Brother introspective, will check out the primary sources and see which "brands" have alcohol in them and any other information too.

P.S. not a mocking tone, just an exasperated tone
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White Rose
06-30-2012, 07:28 PM
Once I was drinking Coca Cola, and out of no where, a thought came to me about researching whether the coke had alcohol in it or not. So I searched for a while and came upon many different articles. A lot of the articles said that the alcohol is used initially but it gets diluted. Diluted or not, I stopped drinking coke after that :alhamd:. I also read some sheiks saying it is halal since its diluted but then I remembered the hadith where Prophet Muhammad SAW said that a time will come when haram will be made to seem halal.
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Qurratul Ayn
06-30-2012, 08:37 PM
^ True, Sister arjmand. But I want to know about Pepsi, as they are the major one in Middle Eastern countries andMuslim countries too.

I shall keep researching

And Allaah Ta'ala knows best
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Asiyah3
06-30-2012, 09:39 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
I have asked it before from those companies and they say these are just rumors, nothing more.
Jazakillahu khair for checking it out.
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Scimitar
02-18-2013, 01:37 PM
Pepsi, Kraft, and Nestle products use aborted fetal cells for flavoring




Does your Pepsi taste as good now? How about your Kraft Mac and Cheese? Or Your Nestle Lean Cuisine meal?
The above companies (Pepsi, Kraft, and Nestle), have all partnered with a company named Senomyx, who use kidney cells from aborted human embryos to test flavorings that go into the foods you buy. [Source]
Boycott these companies' brands if you disagree with using human fetal cells to artifically flavor your food and drinks.

Check which of these brands you're consuming here:
  1. List of Pepsi brands [Downloads PDF from Pepsi's site]
  2. List of Kraft brands
  3. List of Nestle brands
An additional reason to boycott these companies is that they use genetically modified (GM) ingredients in their products, and the FDA (because of heavy lobbying by the food manufacturers) refuses to mandate labeling of products containing GM ingredients. GM ingredients are harmfulto humans, animals, and the environment.
The FDA, which is a wing of the government, and food manufacturers don't want you to know that the food you're eating contains genetically modified ingredients, or whether it has been tested on human fetal cells. If they did, it would be written on the label.

Wellness is experienced when we put foods into our bodies that are as close to their natural state as possible. Almost all of Pepsi, Nestle, and Kraft's products fail to qualify for this criteria, and aretoxins.





Suggested by the author:
Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/peps...-for-flavoring

Scimi



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GuestFellow
02-18-2013, 01:41 PM
^ Ah right...
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Scimitar
02-18-2013, 01:43 PM
feel free to drink it if you so wish :) i'm just posting information. I like pepsi, but now I need to stay the heck away from it. I feel disgusted by what I may have unwittingly put into my body.
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GuestFellow
02-18-2013, 01:47 PM
^ I'm all for drinking and eating healthily, but you should seriously check your sources. Especially the first one.
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Periwinkle18
02-18-2013, 01:50 PM
sis check abt 7up as well
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Scimitar
02-18-2013, 01:51 PM
whats wrong with it? http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro...tal-cell-lines

It just gives details into the partership between Pepsi and Senomyx, a biotech company that uses aborted fetal cells in the research and development of artificial flavour enhancers.

Look bro, if you think Pepsi and Coca Cola are gonna give their secret recipe's away on their official site, you live in cuckoo land. It's thanks to research like that posted in the links above that the general public can become aware of the things they put into our foods and drinks.

Scimi
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cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn
02-18-2013, 01:53 PM
The best thing to do, in my opinion, is to not consume anything out of packages or cans. There's an article floating around on this forum somewhere regarding pork being in frozen halal burger patties. Not surprising to me.

Basically, if You cannot witness the making of what you will be ingesting, don't eat it. Not only is packaged food super unhealthy and in most cases toxic, you just don't know what goes in it. Also, most companies who make these products should be boycotted anyway, majority if not all are zionist companies. So, there's many reasons why one should stay away from all these lazy people products ie "convenience" products.

- cOsMiC
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Scimitar
02-18-2013, 01:56 PM
I think you may have coined a new term there - "convenience products". On second thoughts, maybe it already exists.

Good advice none the less.
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Muslimlearner
02-18-2013, 02:27 PM
I hate to see Muslims go anti-pepsi etc. Bread has alchohol too, so?
Read what scholars say, dont assume and follow the news like blind and numb, Taqlid is Haram. :D
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iRock
02-18-2013, 02:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslimlearner
I hate to see Muslims go anti-pepsi etc. Bread has alchohol too, so?
Read what scholars say, dont assume and follow the news like blind and numb, Taqlid is Haram. :D
I agree with you . Sometime we can not believe in the communication system :embarrass
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Jedi_Mindset
02-18-2013, 03:02 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslimlearner
I hate to see Muslims go anti-pepsi etc. Bread has alchohol too, so?
Read what scholars say, dont assume and follow the news like blind and numb, Taqlid is Haram. :D
Your comment is quite funny, if you think pepsi is healthy, why does it clear rust? This means it contains alot of unneccesary chemicals, aspartame is one of those chemicals which has proven to be damaging to brain cells and can cause increase tumor cells in your brain. It also can cause a early starting of alzheimer, if you are a soda sipper.
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Darth Ultor
02-18-2013, 03:04 PM
If this is true, they can go to jail for selling it to minors.
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GuestFellow
02-18-2013, 03:04 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
I'm glad you asked. First, where is this site getting is information from? No references...probably I'm not looking at the right section.

Besides, it is a site based on Judeo-Christian principles. Of course they will mention anything to do with abortions to add more flavour to the story.

It just gives details into the partership between Pepsi and Senomyx, a biotech company that uses aborted fetal cells in the research and development of artificial flavour enhancers
.

Right where's the evidence?

Look bro
Right bruv


if you think Pepsi and Coca Cola are gonna give their secret recipe's away on their official site, you live in cuckoo land. It's thanks to research like that posted in the links above that the general public can become aware of the things they put into our foods and drinks.
BWAHAHAHAHHAHA some research this is. You will do an excellent job at convincing the entire population whilst the select few like me shall forever remain in la la land. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Jedi_Mindset
02-18-2013, 03:22 PM
Pepsi, coca cola, starbucks are capitalist companies, only things they do favour is money, money, money. If you trace the money it will not go to the companies itself, since the companies themselves are getting financied by the US banks and government. The money goes towards the military industrial complex of the US and their allies, mainly israel. So if you buy from these mass corporations, you are indirectly responsible for supporting the zionist cause.

from a pro-israeli site:

THESE COMPANIES SUPPORT ISRAEL


THE LIST…
1. The Chairman and CEO of STARBUCKS, Howard Schultz, is an active Zionist. In 1998 he was honored by the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah with ‘The Israel 50th Anniversary Friend of Zion Tribute Award’ for his services to the Zionist state in ‘playing a key role in promoting closealliance between the United States and Israel ‘. At a time when other businesses were desperately pulling out of
Israel, Starbucks decided to help Israel ‘s floundering economy and invest in Israel . It has been revealed that Starbucks still continues to support Israel by sponsoring fund raisers for Israel .
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2. THE LIMITED STORES, Express, Lerner New York , VICTORIAS SECRET and BATH & BODY WORKS: The Limited, Inc. was founded by Leslie H. Wexner in 1963 in Columbus , Ohio . Includes: THE LIMITED STORES, Express, Lerner New York , VICTORIAS SECRET and BATH & BODY WORKS, and employs over 115,000 people. Its founder, president and CEO Les Wexner is a Zionist. He is on the board of directors of Emet, the Pro-Israel Media ‘War Room’ whose function is to ensure that all media in the US stays biased in favor of Israel . In 1984, Les Wexner who is one of the world’s 200 wealthiest people created the Wexner Foundation. Its mission statement is ‘strengthening Jewish Leadership in North America and Israel .’ One of the programs the Foundation runs is the Wexner Israel Fellowship Program which annually brings up to ten Israeli have participated thus far. The Wexner Foundation sponsors ‘Birthright Israel ‘ – a program that pays for young American Jews to take free indoctrination trips to Israel . It is also a long-standing supporter of Hillel – the bastion of Zionism on campus.
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3. THE HOME DEPOT: Its founder and co-chairman of the Board is an active Zionist. He created the board of directors of Emet, the Pro-Israel Media ‘War Room’ whose function is to ensure that all media in the US stays biased in favor of Israel .
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4. DISNEY: Walt Disneys Millennium exhibition at the Epcot Centre in Florida depicts Jerusalem as the capital of Israel . Of the 8 million dollars it cost to set up the exhibition, Israel contributed 1.8 million and worked with Disney to develop its content.
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5. AOL/TIME WARNER: AOL ALLOCATES 30% OF ITS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO IN ISRAEL . (Can you believe it?!)
The buy up of Israeli company Mirabilis, creators of ICQ (internet chat program), for $287m in 1998 forms part of AOLs investment in Israel .
In 1998, Mr. Ted Leonsis, CEO of AOL studios (a business unit of AOL) received the Jubilee Award by the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. This is the highest tribute ever awarded by the ‘State of Israel in recognition of those individuals and organizations that through their investments and trade relationships have done the most to strengthen the Israeli economy.
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6. COCA COLA: From 1966 onward Coca-Cola has been a staunch supporter of Israel . In 1997 the Government of Israel Economic Mission honored Coca-Cola at the Israel Trade Award Dinner for its continued support of Israel for the last 30 years and for refusing to abide by the Arab League boycott of Israel . In contrast Pepsi abided by the Arab League boycott of Israel which ended in May 1991, after 1992 Pepsi is also trading in Israel . In 2001 the Coca-Cola World Headquarters hosted and was the main sponsor of the American-Israel Chamber of Commerce Awards Gala. It has been revealed that Coca-Cola Israel sponsors training programs for its workers on subjects including the Israeli-Arab conflict. The course content is created by a company funded by the Jewish Agency and the Israeli government. In July 2002, it has been announced that Coca-Cola is to build a new plant at Kiryat Gat.
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7. ESTEE LAUDER: Estee Lauder’s chairman, Ronald Lauder, also one time chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, is the current president of the Jewish National Fund (JNF) – Ronald Lauder is an ardent Zionist.
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8. SARAH LEE. (Includes Hanes, Playtex, Leggs, Champion). This is also not to be confused with the frozen snacks company. This is in regard to the clothing giant. Sara Lee owns 30% of Israel ‘s leading textile company Delta Galil. Sara Lee is the world’s largest clothing manufacturer, this opens the worlds markets to Israel , with cloths originating in Israel and being sold around the world under one of the many famous Sara Lee brands.
In 1998, Mr. Lucien Nessim of Sara Lee Personal Products received the Jubilee Award by the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. This is the highest tribute ever awarded by the ‘State of Israel ‘ in recognition of those individuals and organizations, that through their investments and trade relationships, have done the most to strengthen the Israeli economy.
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9. FOX TELEVISION, FOX ENTERTAINMENT: The News Corporation Limite is one of the world’s largest media companies with total assets as of September 30, 2005 of approximately; US $58 billion and total annual revenues of approximately US $18 billion. News Corporation’s diversified global operations include the production and distribution of motion pictures and television programming; television, satellite and cable broadcasting; the publication of newspapers, magazines and books; the production and distribution of promotional and advertising products and services; the development of digital broadcasting. News Corporation is the world’s leading publisher of English-language newspapers with operations worldwide. The Company publishes more than 175 different newspapers, printing more than 40 million papers a week.
Murdoch’s New Corp. invests heavily in Israel . Murdoch News Corporation was one of three US companies that was lauded for their support of Israel at the America-Israel Friendship League Partners for Democracy Awards dinner (25th June 2001);Murdoch himself co-chaired the dinner. News Corp.’s digital technology company based in Jerusalem ,
called NDS, has grown from 20 to 600 employees in the past decade.
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10. NESTLE: The Swiss company owns 50.1% of Israeli food maker Osem Investments. In Dec. 2000, it announced it will invest millions of dollars to operate the new R&D centre in Israel . In 1998, Mr. Peter Brabeck-Letmathe on behalf of Nestle, received the Jubilee Award by the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. This is the highest tribute ever awarded by the ‘State of Israel ‘ in recognition of those individuals and organizations, that through their investments and trade relationships, have done the most to strengthen the Israeli economy.
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11. OVERSEAS ADVENTURE TRAVEL: Company is based in Massachusetts , is known for their many world tours and relatively cheap group travel. The company donates money to over 50 countries in which it operates in to help fund schools, food aid, etc. and averages between $5,000 and $25,000 per country. However, Israel received a flat $1,000,000 from Overseas Adventure Travel, as it’s president is a Zionist.
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12. IBM: IBM invests heavily in Israel . IBM senior vice-president and general counsel, Lawrence Ricciardi, who noted that his company employs 1,700 people in Israel, said in an interview with the Jerusalem Post, ‘This wedge of land and the huge ideals it represents are very important to IBM.’ IBM was one of three US companies that was lauded at the America-Israel Friendship League Partners for Democracy Awards dinner ( 25th June 2001 ) hosted by Sharon. In May 2002 the Israel-America Chamber of Commerce awarded IBM the Ambassador’s Award’ in recognition of its outstanding contribution to the development of the Israeli high-tech industry and to advancing trade between the U.S.and Israel. IBM established operations in 1949 and was the first large American company with a wholly owned subsidiary in Israel , introducing computers to the country.
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13. KIMBERLY-CLARK: (Huggies, Kotex, Kleenex) In 1998, Mr. Robert P. Van der Merwe, chairman of Kimberly-Clark Europe received the Jubilee Award by the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. This is the highest tribute ever awarded by the ‘State of Israel ‘ in recognition of those individuals and organizations, that through their investments and trade relationships, have done the most to strengthen the Israeli economy. Kimberly Clark Corp owns 49.9% interest in Israeli company Hogla (6/96) through America-Israel PaperMills $49.9m.
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14. RIVER ISLAND clothing chain, ISROTEL and IBROTEL HOTELS in Spain and Portugal , BRITANNIA PACIFIC PROPERTIES. (This one probably relates least to any of us) – a diversified international investment company, with headquarters in London , England . They said to be one of the largest real estate owners in the Sacramento Metropolitan area. It appears that the British based Lewis Trust Group is one of the companies developing hotels in the Aqaba Region. David Lewis, the Chairman of the company, is a prominent supporter of Israel . Mr Lewis’s activities have included the raising of money for the Jewish National Fund. He is also a member of the Israel-Britain Business Council. This organization is dedicated to the development of the Zionist State , by channelling British capital to the occupied territories for the benefit of the Zionists and the exploitation of the Palestinians.
15. NOKIA: Nokia have started to invest heavily in Israel . Nokia general manager Lars Wolf said in an interview with The Jerusalem Post (4 March 2001): ‘We are really focusing on Israel from all perspectives, because we have an internal project called ‘Project Israel ‘ which means we a re looking at Israel from a networks perspective, from the perspective of Nokia Ventures Organization, and also from the perspective of Nokia Research Center.’ Nokia Venture Partners, a branch of Nokia Ventures Organization, launched a new $500 million fund in December 2000 and allowed that a ‘disproportionate’ amount of it would go into Israeli companies. Nokia Research Center is on the lookout for Israeli start-ups with which it can cooperate.
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16. TIMBERLAND: (clothing, shoes, boots, jackets, etc.) Timberlands is a $1.1 billion footwear, apparel & accessories company. Its President and CEO Jeffrey Swartz is an active Zionist. In a recent ‘solidarity visit’ to Israel, where he made it clear he was speaking as the CEO of Timberland, he suggested sending 100 IDF soldiers to the US for a week as ambassadors for Israel. Although Timberland is a publicly traded company, his family holds approximately 47% of the stock and has approximately 81% of the voting power.
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17. DESERT EAGLE: Desert Eagles are the only firearms that Israel does not buy from the US or other countries. However, many of the parts of these firearms are imported from other countries and they are merely assembled in Israel . Regardless, Israel prides them as their own and it is strictly an Israeli company.
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18. CATERPILLAR: Caterpillar is a company based in Illinois that manufactures large construction equipment such as bulldozers, tractors, various demolition equipment and has a line of ‘tough guy’ clothing apparel. Caterpillar happily supplies Israel with all of its current fleet of D9 and D10 bulldozers, some of the largest armoured bulldozers in the world.


http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2011/02/27/these-companies-support-israel-lets-support-them/

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Independent
02-18-2013, 03:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
Murdoch News Corporation was one of three US companies that was lauded for their support of Israel at the America-Israel Friendship League Partners for Democracy Awards dinner (25th June 2001);Murdoch himself co-chaired the dinner. News Corp.’s digital technology company based in Jerusalem ,
called NDS, has grown from 20 to 600 employees in the past decade.
Are you aware of the severe damage to Murdoch's image and business interests by the phone hacking scandal in the UK? Do you know that as a result he has reduced power over News Corp and that his son, who was being groomed for succession, has been forced to step down from various positions?

How does this fit with Murdoch being one of the Illuminati? He has been destroyed by the media, yet he is supposed to control the media.
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Jedi_Mindset
02-18-2013, 03:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow
Yeah yeah what has this got to do with Pepsi, alcohol and aborted babies? Your the one who is making these claims, posting absolute crap and expect others to believe you within a matter of seconds? BWAHAHAHA
Yes, actually it does, i want to show you that companies are very corrupt. But ok bro, you challenge me, prepare for your defeat. you are surely one of the brainwashed types of mainstream media who is amused by these 'happy-tricky' commercials of pepsi et cetera.

Pepsi, one of the ingredients: Aspartame. What does aspartame?

Aspartame is, by Far, the Most Dangerous Substance on the Market that is Added To Foods


Aspartame is the technical name for the brand names NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, and Equal-Measure. It was discovered by accident in 1965 when James Schlatter, a chemist of G.D. Searle Company, was testing an anti-ulcer drug.
Aspartame was approved for dry goods in 1981 and for carbonated beverages in 1983. It was originally approved for dry goods on July 26, 1974, but objections filed by neuroscience researcher Dr John W. Olney and Consumer attorney James Turner in August 1974 as well as investigations of G.D. Searle's research practices caused the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to put approval of aspartame on hold (December 5, 1974). In 1985, Monsanto purchased G.D. Searle and made Searle Pharmaceuticals and The NutraSweet Company separate subsidiaries.
Aspartame accounts for over 75 percent of the adverse reactions to food additives reported to the FDA. Many of these reactions are very serious including seizures and death. A few of the 90 different documented symptoms listed in the report as being caused by aspartame include: Headaches/migraines, dizziness, seizures, nausea, numbness, muscle spasms, weight gain, rashes, depression, fatigue, irritability, tachycardia, insomnia, vision problems, hearing loss, heart palpitations, breathing difficulties, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, loss of taste, tinnitus, vertigo, memory loss, and joint pain.
According to researchers and physicians studying the adverse effects of aspartame, the following chronic illnesses can be triggered or worsened by ingesting of aspartame: Brain tumors, multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, chronic fatigue syndrome, parkinson's disease, alzheimer's, mental retardation, lymphoma, birth defects, fibromyalgia, and diabetes.
Aspartame is made up of three chemicals: aspartic acid, phenylalanine, and methanol. The book "Prescription for Nutritional Healing," by James and Phyllis Balch, lists aspartame under the category of "chemical poison." As you shall see, that is exactly what it is.
What Is Aspartame Made Of?

Aspartic Acid (40 percent of Aspartame)
Dr. Russell L. Blaylock, a professor of neurosurgery at the Medical University of Mississippi, recently published a book thoroughly detailing the damage that is caused by the ingestion of excessive aspartic acid from aspartame. Blaylock makes use of almost 500 scientific references to show how excess free excitatory amino acids such as aspartic acid and glutamic acid (about 99 percent of monosodium glutamate (MSG) is glutamic acid) in our food supply are causing serious chronic neurological disorders and a myriad of other acute symptoms.
How Aspartate (and Glutamate) Cause Damage

Aspartate and glutamate act as neurotransmitters in the brain by facilitating the transmission of information from neuron to neuron. Too much aspartate or glutamate in the brain kills certain neurons by allowing the influx of too much calcium into the cells. This influx triggers excessive amounts of free radicals, which kill the cells. The neural cell damage that can be caused by excessive aspartate and glutamate is why they are referred to as "excitotoxins." They "excite" or stimulate the neural cells to death.

Aspartic acid is an amino acid. Taken in its free form (unbound to proteins) it significantly raises the blood plasma level of aspartate and glutamate. The excess aspartate and glutamate in the blood plasma shortly after ingesting aspartame or products with free glutamic acid (glutamate precursor) leads to a high level of those neurotransmitters in certain areas of the brain.
The blood brain barrier (BBB), which normally protects the brain from excess glutamate and aspartate as well as toxins, 1) is not fully developed during childhood, 2) does not fully protect all areas of the brain, 3) is damaged by numerous chronic and acute conditions, and 4) allows seepage of excess glutamate and aspartate into the brain even when intact.
The excess glutamate and aspartate slowly begin to destroy neurons. The large majority (75 percent or more) of neural cells in a particular area of the brain are killed before any clinical symptoms of a chronic illness are noticed. A few of the many chronic illnesses that have been shown to be contributed to by long-term exposure to excitatory amino acid damage include:
  • Multiple sclerosis (MS)
  • ALS
  • Memory loss
  • Hormonal problems
  • Hearing loss
  • Epilepsy
  • Alzheimer's disease
  • Parkinson's disease
  • Hypoglycemia
  • AIDS
  • Dementia
  • Brain lesions
  • Neuroendocrine disorders
The risk to infants, children, pregnant women, the elderly and persons with certain chronic health problems from excitotoxins are great. Even the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology (FASEB), which usually understates problems and mimics the FDA party-line, recently stated in a review that:
"It is prudent to avoid the use of dietary supplements of L-glutamic acid by pregnant women, infants, and children. The existence of evidence of potential endocrine responses, i.e., elevated cortisol and prolactin, and differential responses between males and females, would also suggest a neuroendocrine link and that supplemental L-glutamic acid should be avoided by women of childbearing age and individuals with affective disorders."
Aspartic acid from aspartame has the same deleterious effects on the body as glutamic acid.
The exact mechanism of acute reactions to excess free glutamate and aspartate is currently being debated. As reported to the FDA, those reactions include:



    • Headaches/migraines
    • Nausea
    • Abdominal pains
    • Fatigue (blocks sufficient glucose entry into brain)
    • Sleep problems
    • Vision problems
    • Anxiety attacks
    • Depression
    • Asthma/chest tigShtness.
One common complaint of persons suffering from the effect of aspartame is memory loss. Ironically, in 1987, G.D. Searle, the manufacturer of aspartame, undertook a search for a drug to combat memory loss caused by excitatory amino acid damage. Blaylock is one of many scientists and physicians who are concerned about excitatory amino acid damage caused by ingestion of aspartame and MSG.
A few of the many experts who have spoken out against the damage being caused by aspartate and glutamate include Adrienne Samuels, Ph.D., an experimental psychologist specializing in research design. Another is Olney, a professor in the department of psychiatry, School of Medicine, Washington University, a neuroscientist and researcher, and one of the world's foremost authorities on excitotoxins. (He informed Searle in 1971 that aspartic acid caused holes in the brains of mice.)
Phenylalanine (50 percent of aspartame)

Phenylalanine is an amino acid normally found in the brain. Persons with the genetic disorder phenylketonuria (PKU) cannot metabolize phenylalanine. This leads to dangerously high levels of phenylalanine in the brain (sometimes lethal). It has been shown that ingesting aspartame, especially along with carbohydrates, can lead to excess levels of phenylalanine in the brain even in persons who do not have PKU.
This is not just a theory, as many people who have eaten large amounts of aspartame over a long period of time and do not have PKU have been shown to have excessive levels of phenylalanine in the blood. Excessive levels of phenylalanine in the brain can cause the levels of seratonin in the brain to decrease, leading to emotional disorders such as depression. It was shown in human testing that phenylalanine levels of the blood were increased significantly in human subjects who chronically used aspartame.
Even a single use of aspartame raised the blood phenylalanine levels. In his testimony before the U.S. Congress, Dr. Louis J. Elsas showed that high blood phenylalanine can be concentrated in parts of the brain and is especially dangerous for infants and fetuses. He also showed that phenylalanine is metabolised much more effeciently by rodents than by humans.
One account of a case of extremely high phenylalanine levels caused by aspartame was recently published the "Wednesday Journal" in an article titled "An Aspartame Nightmare." John Cook began drinking six to eight diet drinks every day. His symptoms started out as memory loss and frequent headaches. He began to crave more aspartame-sweetened drinks. His condition deteriorated so much that he experienced wide mood swings and violent rages. Even though he did not suffer from PKU, a blood test revealed a phenylalanine level of 80 mg/dl. He also showed abnormal brain function and brain damage. After he kicked his aspartame habit, his symptoms improved dramatically.
As Blaylock points out in his book, early studies measuring phenylalanine buildup in the brain were flawed. Investigators who measured specific brain regions and not the average throughout the brain notice significant rises in phenylalanine levels. Specifically the hypothalamus, medulla oblongata, and corpus striatum areas of the brain had the largest increases in phenylalanine. Blaylock goes on to point out that excessive buildup of phenylalanine in the brain can cause schizophrenia or make one more susceptible to seizures.
Therefore, long-term, excessive use of aspartame may provid a boost to sales of seratonin reuptake inhibitors such as Prozac and drugs to control schizophrenia and seizures.
Methanol (aka wood alcohol/poison) (10 percent of aspartame)
Methanol/wood alcohol is a deadly poison. Some people may remember methanol as the poison that has caused some "skid row" alcoholics to end up blind or dead. Methanol is gradually released in the small intestine when the methyl group of aspartame encounter the enzyme chymotrypsin.
The absorption of methanol into the body is sped up considerably when free methanol is ingested. Free methanol is created from aspartame when it is heated to above 86 Fahrenheit (30 Centigrade). This would occur when aspartame-containing product is improperly stored or when it is heated (e.g., as part of a "food" product such as Jello).

Methanol breaks down into formic acid and formaldehyde in the body. Formaldehyde is a deadly neurotoxin. An EPA assessment of methanol states that methanol "is considered a cumulative poison due to the low rate of excretion once it is absorbed. In the body, methanol is oxidized to formaldehyde and formic acid; both of these metabolites are toxic." They recommend a limit of consumption of 7.8 mg/day. A one-liter (approx. 1 quart) aspartame-sweetened beverage contains about 56 mg of methanol. Heavy users of aspartame-containing products consume as much as 250 mg of methanol daily or 32 times the EPA limit.
Symptoms from methanol poisoning include headaches, ear buzzing, dizziness, nausea, gastrointestinal disturbances, weakness, vertigo, chills, memory lapses, numbness and shooting pains in the extremities, behavioral disturbances, and neuritis. The most well known problems from methanol poisoning are vision problems including misty vision, progressive contraction of visual fields, blurring of vision, obscuration of vision, retinal damage, and blindness. Formaldehyde is a known carcinogen, causes retinal damage, interferes with DNA replication and causes birth defects.
Due to the lack of a couple of key enzymes, humans are many times more sensitive to the toxic effects of methanol than animals. Therefore, tests of aspartame or methanol on animals do not accurately reflect the danger for humans. As pointed out by Dr. Woodrow C. Monte, director of the food science and nutrition laboratory at Arizona State University, "There are no human or mammalian studies to evaluate the possible mutagenic, teratogenic or carcinogenic effects of chronic administration of methyl alcohol."
He was so concerned about the unresolved safety issues that he filed suit with the FDA requesting a hearing to address these issues. He asked the FDA to "slow down on this soft drink issue long enough to answer some of the important questions. It's not fair that you are leaving the full burden of proof on the few of us who are concerned and have such limited resources. You must remember that you are the American public's last defense. Once you allow usage (of aspartame) there is literally nothing I or my colleagues can do to reverse the course. Aspartame will then join saccharin, the sulfiting agents, and God knows how many other questionable compounds enjoined to insult the human constitution with governmental approval." Shortly thereafter, the Commissioner of the FDA, Arthur Hull Hayes, Jr., approved the use of aspartame in carbonated beverages, he then left for a position with G.D. Searle's public relations firm.
It has been pointed out that some fruit juices and alcoholic beverages contain small amounts of methanol. It is important to remember, however, that methanol never appears alone. In every case, ethanol is present, usually in much higher amounts. Ethanol is an antidote for methanol toxicity in humans. The troops of Desert Storm were "treated" to large amounts of aspartame-sweetened beverages, which had been heated to over 86 degrees F in the Saudi Arabian sun. Many of them returned home with numerous disorders similar to what has been seen in persons who have been chemically poisoned by formaldehyde. The free methanol in the beverages may have been a contributing factor in these illnesses. Other breakdown products of aspartame such as DKP (discussed below) may also have been a factor.
In a 1993 act that can only be described as "unconscionable," the FDA approved aspartame as an ingredient in numerous food items that would always be heated to above 86 degree F (30 degree C).
Diketopiperazine (DKP)
DKP is a byproduct of aspartame metabolism. DKP has been implicated in the occurrence of brain tumors. Olney noticed that DKP, when nitrosated in the gut, produced a compound that was similar to N-nitrosourea, a powerful brain tumor causing chemical. Some authors have said that DKP is produced after aspartame ingestion. I am not sure if that is correct. It is definitely true that DKP is formed in liquid aspartame-containing products during prolonged storage.
G.D. Searle conducted animal experiments on the safety of DKP. The FDA found numerous experimental errors occurred, including "clerical errors, mixed-up animals, animals not getting drugs they were supposed to get, pathological specimens lost because of improper handling," and many other errors. These sloppy laboratory procedures may explain why both the test and control animals had sixteen times more brain tumors than would be expected in experiments of this length.
In an ironic twist, shortly after these experimental errors were discovered, the FDA used guidelines recommended by G.D. Searle to develop the industry-wide FDA standards for good laboratory practices.
DKP has also been implicated as a cause of uterine polyps and changes in blood cholesterol by FDA Toxicologist Dr. Jacqueline Verrett in her testimony before the U.S. Senate.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...d-to-food.aspx


format_quote Originally Posted by Independent
Are you aware of the severe damage to Murdoch's image and business interests by the phone hacking scandal in the UK? Do you know that as a result he has reduced power over News Corp and that his son, who was being groomed for succession, has been forced to step down from various positions?

How does this fit with Murdoch being one of the Illuminati? He has been destroyed by the media, yet he is supposed to control the media.
Where do i even mention the illuminati?


And Btw guestfellow, where are your sources? you tell me that i post sources, claims. These are actually sources from chemists, medical workers. And they have agreed that aspartame is by far most the most dangerous drug added in beverages.


You challenged me, but where are your sources?
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crimsontide06
02-18-2013, 04:07 PM
While I don't think this is true I stay away from all cokes. I used to drink it everyday, maybe 3-4 cans a day. I started having heart problems from it so I stopped,my heart does not give out on me anymore and lost 10 pounds in the process.
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cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn
02-18-2013, 06:07 PM
First of all, I don't think bro Jedi_mindset or anyone here is posting to convince anybody, nor do they expect anyone to believe it. If you all don't want to believe what you are being told on this thread then hey, there's no compulsion. It would be YOUR OWN duty to dig further and refute it or understand it on your own. Nobody should have to spoon feed you.

I'd like the naysayers and those pointing fingers to come here and tell us why pepsi, colas or any processed food is good for your health. Should you all really wait for alcohol to be present in food in order for you to question what ur putting in your mouth? Half the ingredients in these things are unpronounceable, I mean really. Is it that difficult to discern what is good and what is bad for us? Our bodies have a right over us, and they will speak for us on judgement day. (http://abdurrahman.org/qurantafseer/.../41.46584.html)

This is serious stuff, THINK!

- cOsMiC
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Muslimlearner
02-18-2013, 06:08 PM
Very nice info in this tread, exept the spam-chat, jazzak-Allah khayr.
Anyways, my fav drink is Zam Zam.
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YusufNoor
02-18-2013, 06:30 PM
:sl:

how about not drinking it because it is crap? no study needed for that!

ma salaama
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Qurratul Ayn
02-18-2013, 06:30 PM
:salamext:

format_quote Originally Posted by cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn
There's an article floating around on this forum somewhere regarding pork being in frozen halal burger patties. Not surprising to me.
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/134317944-halal-meat-containing-pork-dna.html

:alhamd: I go to work and I come home, see what's happening in IslamicBoard and this ol' thread is back?! Lol

:alhamd:

:jz: to Brothers Scimitar and Jedi_Mindset for their posts clarifying products with alcohol, foetuses and whatnot. Very helpful and I shall spread it amongst my contacts and acquaintances too. I found similar research that both Brothers posted and stopped having Pepsi. It was very, very, very hard. Lol

Once again :jz: Brother Scimitar and Jedi_Mindset

:ia: Y'all will use this information positively too

:salamext:
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Insaanah
02-18-2013, 07:26 PM
:sl: all,

Interesting topic, but please discuss it in a calm and polite manner. This thread has undergone a mass clean-up with many posts having been deleted/edited. If it continues as before, it does risk being closed and/or sent to the bin.

:jz:
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Futuwwa
02-18-2013, 10:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
Your comment is quite funny, if you think pepsi is healthy, why does it clear rust?
Because it is very slightly acidic. Anything that is even the tiniest bit acidic clears rust, given a long enough time.

If you think Pepsi is unhealthy, why exactly is drinking something slightly acidic unhealthy?
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Jedi_Mindset
02-18-2013, 10:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa
Because it is very slightly acidic. Anything that is even the tiniest bit acidic clears rust, given a long enough time.

If you think Pepsi is unhealthy, why exactly is drinking something slightly acidic unhealthy?
Have you perhaps read my other posts to understand my point? Especially about the aspartame issue. Pepsi is not slightly acidic, its basically acid. But as long you dont wake up and fall in the traps of those capitalist companies, i wont explain to you. People should learn to read whole topics before jumping on one post. I have explained this matter the previous page. Caffeine and sugar in pepsi are acidic too.


Assalam alaykum
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Scimitar
02-18-2013, 11:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow


BWAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Great way to make a point.

EDIT: this is a better way to make a point.

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Futuwwa
02-23-2013, 10:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
Have you perhaps read my other posts to understand my point? Especially about the aspartame issue. Pepsi is not slightly acidic, its basically acid.
And where exactly goes the border between "slightly acidic" and "basically acid"? ^o) How have you determined that Pepsi is in the one and not the other?


format_quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
But as long you dont wake up and fall in the traps of those capitalist companies, i wont explain to you.
So you know that you're right and I'm wrong, but you won't explain how until I concede that it is indeed so?

Sorry, that's not how discourse works.
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Jedi_Mindset
02-23-2013, 11:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa
And where exactly goes the border between "slightly acidic" and "basically acid"? How have you determined that Pepsi is in the one and not the other?
Sugar is acidic and so does cafeine - both ingredients in pepsi, with much amount and very unhealthy. The most deadly acid and chemical in pepsi is Aspartame, perhaps u should read the article i posted one page back, its from medical sources and not from some dude in the forest. :) Caffeine is addictive, hence you will start to drink more.

This goes also in the same case as with coca cola. Here just a few weeks ago someone died from drinking too much pepsi, cola et cetera it was on the local news. You are only harming your body with it.

Its best for a muslim to stay away from such drinks, both for your body and for the deen.
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Futuwwa
02-24-2013, 11:03 AM
I asked you questions that should be answerable by anyone with a basic level of scientific literacy. If all you have to say is "I have no clue, but this article I link to says I'm right", what's the point of discussing with you?
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cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn
02-24-2013, 12:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa
And where exactly goes the border between "slightly acidic" and "basically acid"? How have you determined that Pepsi is in the one and not the other?
He didn't say bascially acidic, he said basically acid.

format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa
So you know that you're right and I'm wrong, but you won't explain how until I concede that it is indeed so?
Do you really need somebody to explain to you why junk food is bad? There isn't an "I'm right and you are wrong" in this case, that's probably why bro Jedi doesn't want to bother to explain certain things. You should already know them and shouldn't require an explanation. Besides, this thread is about pepsi being questionable and there are plenty of reasons as to why, perhaps you should read the posts here a bit more carefully for starters.

- cOsMic
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Abu Loren
02-24-2013, 05:07 PM
I can't believe Pepsi Cola has got free publicity for 8 months, 37 replies and 1415 views. I'm sure the point was made on the first page. :p
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Futuwwa
02-24-2013, 10:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn
Do you really need somebody to explain to you why junk food is bad? There isn't an "I'm right and you are wrong" in this case, that's probably why bro Jedi doesn't want to bother to explain certain things. You should already know them and shouldn't require an explanation. Besides, this thread is about pepsi being questionable and there are plenty of reasons as to why, perhaps you should read the posts here a bit more carefully for starters.
Whoa, how did we go from "Pepsi is bad because it is acidic" to "Pepsi is junk food and junk food is bad, therefore Pepsi is bad"? Moving the goalposts, are we?

So this thread isn't really meant to debate, we're just supposed to stand in awe and receive bro Jedi's grand wisdom?

I challenged him on a basic point of (bio)chemistry. Even if Pepsi would otherwise be the most dangerous substance, that would not imply that he is right on the point he made, which is that the ability to clear rust implies that a foodstuff is harmful.
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cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn
02-25-2013, 02:46 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa
Whoa, how did we go from "Pepsi is bad because it is acidic" to "Pepsi is junk food and junk food is bad, therefore Pepsi is bad"? Moving the goalposts, are we?

So this thread isn't really meant to debate, we're just supposed to stand in awe and receive bro Jedi's grand wisdom?

I challenged him on a basic point of (bio)chemistry. Even if Pepsi would otherwise be the most dangerous substance, that would not imply that he is right on the point he made, which is that the ability to clear rust implies that a foodstuff is harmful.
Why is pepsi even a debatable subject? What are you trying to debate exactly? It's bad all around lol, unless you want to tell us that we should be consuming it, if so, please enlighten us as to why.

You don't have to stand in awe of anyone, in fact, you don't have to accept anything on this thread, the OP started it to warn us that it may contain alcohol, and others chimed in giving other reasons why it is harmful, you are just choosing to focus on one person and one reason :D The subject of it being a junk food was spoken of already, so I'm not taking this thread anywhere it hasn't been already.

I'm no bio-chemist so forgive my rustiness (no pun intended lol) it's been a few years since I study the subject.

Colas are known for being handy to clean toilets and remove rust as cola contains phosphoric acid, which is found in heavy duty cleaners. Cola is as acidic as vinegar, both are around 2.5-ish on the Ph scale (drinking vinegar straight will eat at the throat and stomach lining). You can't taste the acidity in cola because it is covered up with sugar and diluted in liquid, so it is easier to consume than vinegar.

Some people say it is the phosphoric acid in cola that is the culprit, however, I feel it isn't the phosphoric acid alone that causes the issues. Some foods contain more phosphorus naturally than a can of cola, however, not only is it naturally occurring phosphorous; you can't clear rust with a piece of cheese or a handful of sesame seeds. So, it can be the combination of ingredients in the cola (I'd say the amount of sugar in it is more harmful than the amount of phosphoric acid), it doesn't really matter though. Why would you put something that is powerful enough to eat through rust in your body?

There's several ways to look at this, and none of the ways will say that consuming cola is good for you. Harming one's body is forbidden, full stop. So I mean, go on and debate it if you wish. I'm not sure why it's necessary though...

- cOsMiC
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sister herb
02-25-2013, 06:18 AM
Salam alaykum

I have an idea. Let´s go to buy bottle of Coca Cola or Pepsi, then put nail inside and wait how long it takes that nail will melt to there. I think we need to wait quite long time.

;D
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~Zaria~
02-25-2013, 06:40 AM
Assalamu-alaikum,

In matters pertaining to 'halaal' and 'haraam' in our deen, it is best to approach one who is learned in the field to avoid being misguided, insha Allah.

The question being asked: 'Pepsi has alcohol too?' :

Question

Questions regarding coke. There are various articles, on the net saying coke contains alcohol, is it haraam or not, yet many muslims are still drinking it, what would be your advice or verdict halal or haraam or another.


Answer

Principally, if the alcohol is extracted from grapes or dates it is not
permissible. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, 'Khamr (wine) is
from these two trees, dates and grapes.' (Mishkãt p. 317).

Furthermore, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, 'Alcohol itself
is prohibited and intoxication in every other beverage.' (Hidaaya vol. 4 p.
497).

In view of the abovementioned Hadith, since the alcohol in coke is from
ethanol which is fermented from sugar cane mollasses and does not
intoxicate, it is permissible.


However, if one is doubtful, he may exercise
precaution and abstain.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.
^ The above response is from http://askimam.org/public/question_detail/2972.html , which provides fatwas and advice based on the Hanafi madhab.



:wa:
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~Zaria~
02-25-2013, 07:21 AM
With regards to its effects on health, please consider the following:

1. Many beverages, e.g fruit juices as well as other foods contain acidic mediums.
There have been a number of studies looking at the effect of acidic soft drinks on enamel erosion.

E.g. From this particular study: Impact of modified acidic soft drinks on enamel erosion,

the investigators compared the effects of A: Coca-Cola, B: Sprite, C: Sprite light,D: orange juice on tooth enamel

Extracts from the paper:

Frequent contact of the dentition with exogenous acids, originating from acidic food or beverages might result in dental erosion (Zero, 1996).

Evidence shows that erosion is strongly correlated with the frequency and amount of soft drink intake (Lussi and Schaffner, 2000; Moazzez et al, 2000; O’Sullivan and Curzon, 2000; Al Majed et al, 2002; Johansson et al, 2002; Lussi et al, 2002).
The enamel loss recorded for the samples rinsed with original Sprite and original orange juice was significantly higher as compared with all other solutions
(P ¼ 0.001).
Lowest loss, as compared with the other original solutions, was recorded for the original Coca- Cola group (P ¼ 0.001).
The least erosive loss of enamel was observed for Coca-Cola, which was the only beverage containing phosphoric acid, while the other beverages contained citric acid.

In former studies, it was already shown that citric acid is an ingredient of acidic beverages, which demonstrate severe demineralizing potential (Lussi et al, 1995; Attin et al, 1997). The erosive potential of citric acid is pronounced because of the fact that citric acid acts as a chelator able to bind minerals of the apatite, such as calcium.

2. Islam is a very simple and practical religion, and it emphasises moderation in all facets of life.

We are all aware of the harmful effects of junk food - including sweets, cakes, biscuits, chips, fried foods, and soft drinks.
But this does not mean that we should stop consuming these items.
If we are able to practise moderation in our diet, then insha Allah, there is no problem with enjoying these products now and again.

In the same way that we will not stop consuming orange juice (and other fruit juices), even though the above study shows it to have a more detrimental effect on enamel......the same should apply to other beverages as well.

What is haraam for us is clear.
If we stay away from what has been prohibited, and what may be doubtful.....and with everything else, adopt moderation - then insha Allah, there is nothing to fear.

:wa:
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~Zaria~
02-25-2013, 07:30 AM
Finally, please do not believe everything you may come across on the net.

It is truly becoming increasingly difficult to establish truth from falsehood nowadays - esp. in an era where kids can create very professional-looking YouTube videos, and anyone can have a say in just about anything.

For our own sakes, if we come across something that we are unsure/ doubtful of, contact an expert in that particular field, or the company/ person involved directly to verify.

With regards to Coca Cola, they have a web-page that trys to dispel some of the 'rumours' that are floating around the internet:

http://www.coca-colacompany.com/cont...a-rumors-facts

Specifically - to its health effects, they mention the following:

  1. Rumor: Coca-Cola can be used as a household cleaner


    Fact

    This rumor has taken on many forms, claiming that Coca-Cola, due to its acidic nature, can be used to clean toilets and corrosion from car batteries, loosen a rusted bolt and remove rust spots from car bumpers, remove grease from clothing, clean road haze from windshields, clean highways after traffic accidents, cook a steak, dissolve teeth, and bake a moist ham.


    This rumor mentions that baking a ham basted with Coca-Cola produces a delicious gravy -- and that is definitely true! We are unaware of any state patrol officers using Coke for any purpose other than refreshment. Plain water or vinegar would be as effective and less costly for cleaning pavement. Vinegar, naturally acidic, is used as a household cleaner and also a common ingredient in marinades and salad dressings. Soaking an egg in vinegar causes the shell to soften -- an expected outcome because acid breaks down protein structure. Yet vinegar is completely safe as a food ingredient and enhances the flavor of many foods.


    Soaking something in a soft drink or rubbing something with a cloth soaked in a soft drink is not at all like drinking a soft drink. People don't hold soft drinks in their mouths for long periods of time, nor rub their teeth with fabric soaked in soft drinks, so it doesn't make sense to extend these possible affects to normal use of the product. Because our teeth are constantly bathed by saliva, which helps buffer the effects of acids from foods and beverages, the effect on tooth enamel is greatly reduced. In fact, the acids in most foods are neutralized to a large degree by the saliva in the mouth long before they reach the stomach.


    There is a small amount of edible acid present in many foods, including fruit juices, buttermilk, and soft drinks, such as Coca-Cola. These foods are not acidic enough to harm your body tissues -- in fact, your own natural stomach acid is stronger. It is possible that the edible acid in any of these products could have the effects described, even though it's still quite safe to drink these products. However, we don't make any claims relating to other uses. Instead, we recommend using products specifically designed for cleaning or rust removal.


    The rumors about disappearing teeth, nails, steaks and various other objects are just that -- rumors. These stories continue to spring up and get recycled because each new generation finds them hard to ignore, but they simply are not true.


May Allah (subhanawataála) guide us towards all that is beneficial to us, and protect us from all that is harmful to our bodies and our imaans.
Ameen


:wa:
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Futuwwa
02-25-2013, 11:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn
Colas are known for being handy to clean toilets and remove rust as cola contains phosphoric acid, which is found in heavy duty cleaners. Cola is as acidic as vinegar, both are around 2.5-ish on the Ph scale (drinking vinegar straight will eat at the throat and stomach lining). You can't taste the acidity in cola because it is covered up with sugar and diluted in liquid, so it is easier to consume than vinegar.
And yet, lemon juice has an even lower pH, but it is considered healthy and good for you because of its high vitamin C content. Even though the vitamin itself is an acid, know as ascorbic acid.

Stomach lining? The stomach itself contains far stronger acids for digestion. If getting acid in your stomach was harmful like that, we'd all be dead already.
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cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn
02-25-2013, 12:17 PM
I brought up the phosphoric acid because it is one claim people make, if you read carefully through my post you'll see that. As I said, personally I don't feel its the phosphoric acid in itself.

We don't drink lemon juice straight, or cups of it either do we? The fruit is small, meaning we are to consume it in small amounts, and in most cases just a few squeezes of it. We certainly don't drink shots of vinegar or vinegar beverages. People who consume soft drinks do not consume it in small amounts (for the most part). Stuff like orange juice and these kind of products, they are not natural. Compare a tiny glass of freshly squeezed orange juice to a glass of the boxed stuff.... I mean really. *sigh*

Honestly, I don't understand (actually I do u_u ) why people in the medical field of all places can come here in say, yes it is bad, but we don't have to stop consuming stuff like this, just have it with moderation. We see how widespread disease is yet still give people that kind of advice? People with MS have made turnarounds by changing their diet and removing those kind of items, people with endocrine diseases do the same all the time, including myself! Had I kept following that kind of advice.... I don't even wanna think about it.

Although I do agree, we should not believe everything on the net, not all of us come to our conclusions and findings through their net, perhaps lazy people do, and kids also. Don't believe everything textbooks either, as those are but summaries of real literature compiled by somebody else and they will shape the way you learn and see things according to how they want you to see it. Textbooks are made so students don't have to work as hard and read actual literature, like that of Ibn Sina etc.

Why would we contact pepsico directly if we have questions about their products, you really think they would be sincere? right.

If packaged and canned food was so good for us, why didn't any of our prophets (peace be upon them) consume them? Because "that wasn't available at their time". pffft. right.

To each own. I know it is difficult to stay away from this stuff, really I do. That doesn't make them any less harmful, if people want to justify trashing their bodies, then by all means. We all are accountable for what we do individually.

ETA: By the way, cola being used for cleaning is no rumor, I've had to do it in apinch on several occasions myself. It works just as good as... LEMON AND VINEGAR! :D food for thought. ;)lol no pun intended.

- cOsMiC
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sister herb
02-25-2013, 12:59 PM
Salam alaykum

Actually I love to eat lemon. I just peel off it and eat like an orange.

If it has some acid... I am still alive and 46.

:D
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cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn
02-25-2013, 01:33 PM
I eat lemons like this on occasion too. I ate them often when I was a kid, but as an adult I had to back off though cuz I get really bad stomach aches if I have more than one :) This isn't the point now though is it?

People smoke all their lives and are alive until their 80's. So is what they are consuming and the manner in which they consume it okay? People do all sorts of nasty stuff to their body and survive it. It doesn't make it right. Just because a person is alive after abusing their bodies doesn't mean they are in good health. For example, cancer develops many many years before it is detected... same goes for many other diseases, by the time they surface it is because they are already advancing, meaning the disease came about way before. Yet this person went about whatever it is they were doing thinking "well i been doing it all my life and I'm fine."

That's why I don't really get the arguments on this thread. It seems like people like to argue for the sake of arguing and being right. imsad in spite of the rise in disease , as if it wasn't obvious enough we're doing things wrong.

What ever happened to tying one's camel? You know, taking precaution and avoiding things that are obviously harmful. Why the need to justify bad habits?

anyway, i gotta go work. Salaam :)

- cOsMiC
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