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Jiri
08-27-2012, 07:03 AM
Hello everybody, just to clarify - I'm not a muslim, but I think about it lately. Ok, now to the point.

(sorry, I can't post a link, because I have no posts yet, maybe somebody could help)

The thing is that immigrants in Greece (most of them are muslims) were protesting for their rights, which are being violated, but most of them in the city of Corinth were detained and put into a nearby military camp, which is another name for being taken to a concentration camp IMO. I'm really worried about this, because you can see a lot of anti-islamic temper in Europe lately and this could start a trend. Especially if Israel attacks Iran or something like that, the situation not only in Greece, but in all Europe could become even dangerous for muslims. I think the whole European society is frustrated for a complicated combination of reasons and it's looking for an easy target right now :hmm:
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Jedi_Mindset
08-27-2012, 11:32 AM
Yep, thats when you get when economics(This is planned btw) drop, minorities will be blamed, however, there is a nazi-party coming up in greece and also in spain.

I think this a prelude, that muslims & many africans get expelled from europe. God forbid....

Stupd zionist cabals....
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Jiri
08-27-2012, 03:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
Yep, thats when you get when economics(This is planned btw) drop, minorities will be blamed, however, there is a nazi-party coming up in greece and also in spain.

I think this a prelude, that muslims & many africans get expelled from europe. God forbid....

Stupd zionist cabals....
I think the real nazis don't like Israel and Zinosm at all. In fact, they hate it more than anything as far as I know. But these people are marginal in Europe. Why? Because they are strongly prosecuted for their anti-Zionism. I think much bigger danger for muslims in Europe are people who call themselves nationalists and 99% of them support Israel and hatred towards muslims.
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Jedi_Mindset
08-27-2012, 03:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Jiri
I think the real nazis don't like Israel and Zinosm at all. In fact, they hate it more than anything as far as I know. But these people are marginal in Europe. Why? Because they are strongly prosecuted for their anti-Zionism. I think much bigger danger for muslims in Europe are people who call themselves nationalists and 99% of them support Israel and hatred towards muslims.
They might be anti-israel or whatever, but to look into history and i hope you have some knowledge of it, the zionists had struck deals with hitler, so a jewish state could be created faster.

Anyway, yes the nationalists are far more dangerous, they think multi-culturalism has failed, and the muslims are to be blamed.

However those nazi groups dont like muslims too, and even have already killed some. some of them have militias with guns and bombs...like in germany or france.
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Jiri
08-29-2012, 06:50 AM
An Egyptian was almost killed when being dragged with his head in the window of a car. According to the human rights organizations, there were more than 300 attacks in Greece during last 3 months. During one of them a man from Iraq was killed.

more (in German) - welt.de/politik/ausland/article108817693/Griechen-schleifen-Aegypter-mit-Auto-fast-zu-Tode.html
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Jedi_Mindset
08-29-2012, 11:21 AM
Hopefully, you will approve from what i am gonna post here, but its quite important, also related to the crisis in greece, spain et cetera


THE USA IS NOT IN DEBT


Submitted by Heydrich on Tue, 2012-08-28 07:09
I have discussed this in previous posts and comments, but the masses continue to remain brainwashed.
Consider this article titled, “U.S. Government's Foreign Debt Hits Record $5.29 Trillion.”

“The money the U.S. government owes to foreign entities rose to a record $5.2923 trillion in June, according to data released by the U.S. Treasury on 15 Aug 2012. In May 2012, the U.S. Treasury owed $5.2581 trillion to foreign entities. In June the U.S. government borrowed an additional $34.2 billion from foreign entities in order to fund U.S. government operations. The U.S. government’s indebtedness to foreign interests has grown by 72.3 percent during Obama’s term in office. Entities in the People’s Republic of China remain the largest holders of U.S. government debt. Entities in Japan, however, are on track to eclipse the Chinese as the top holders of U.S. government debt.”

Sounds grim, yes? The US government is $5.29 trillion is debt to foreigners, right? The US government is insolvent, and could go broke, right?
Wrong.
It’s all a lie, designed to fool you into believing that the reasons for “austerity” are legitimiate. Austerity means cutting social programs, and withdrawing money from the economy, in order to maintain the depression, so that the One Percent may rule as gods.
When foreigners buy $5.29 trillion in Treasury bills, the foreigners have simply invested that money in the US government.
If you started a corporation, and you raised $5.29 trillion in proceeds from the sale of stock, then you would not be $5.29 trillion in “debt.” Instead, you would say that investors have bought $5.29 trillion in your company’s stock. You have collected $5.29 trillion from them.
With Treasury bills, the government must give the money back to buyers when they demand it (and also give them interest if the bond has matured), but a monetarly sovereign government like America’s can just print the money. Or it can sell Treasury bills to Agent ‘B’, and use the cash proceeds to pay off agent ‘A.”
If you still believe that the US government is in “debt,” then you are still brainwashed into thinking that the US government finances are the same as a private person’s finances.
The truth is that you can go broke, but the US government cannot, since the government can create enough money for any purpose.
The government could simply print money and get it into circulation via government spending, but politicians prefer the current method of raising cash by selling Treasury bills. This helps them maintain the false illusion that the government is “in debt,” which in turn keeps us groveling before the bankers and the politicians. (Actually the process is even simpler, as I will explain below. It is done with accounting entries.)
When the government wants to launch a new imperialist attack, it raises money for war by selling Treasury bills. In this way, private interests invest in war. They also invest in social programs. However, when the masses want social programs, the government says, “Sorry, there’s no money. We are broke.”
People constantly ask, “Why is there endless money for wars, and no money for social programs?” The answer is simple. The government has a printing press. You do not. And the government does what it likes with that printing press.

Let’s look at that article again.
“As of the end of June, the total debt of the US federal government was $15,856,367,214,324.44.”
This is the amount of money that people have invested in the US government. If we falsely call this “debt,” then we think $15,856,367,214,324.44 is scary.
“However, of that debt, $4,812,182,369,712.78 was money the federal government owed to itself (i.e. money the Treasury had borrowed from federal trust funds such as the Social Security Trust Fund, etc.). The Treasury calls this type of debt ‘intra-governmental’ debt.”
There’s that word DEBT again. Notice how even this article admits that $4.8 trillion is money that the government owes to itself. In reality, all of the government’s “debt” is owed to itself. Since the government has raised $15.8 trillion by selling $15.8 trillion in Treasury bills, the government simply moves figures around on its accounting sheet. And if the government owes itself, then how can it be “broke”? If you as an individual owe $15.8 trillion to yourself, then how could you be $15.8 trillion in “debt”? It’s a lie.
“4.8 trillion in debt is held by foreign interests. The remaining $11,044,184,844,611.66 the federal government owed as of the end of June was debt held by the ‘public.’ This is debt in the form of Treasury securities the government is obligated to pay off in cash.”
The government is only “obligated” if Americans who invested $11 trillion in the government (by purchasing $11 trillion in Treasury bills) all want their money back at the same time. This won’t happen, and even if it did happen, the US government would simply create the money to pay it off.
The US government runs on money raised by selling Treasury bills. It does NOT run on tax revenue, which is destroyed upon receipt. That is, the government dissolves tax revenue by moving numbers around on its balance sheet. It’s all part of the scam. There is no need for federal taxes at all, except to maintain the illusion. If federal taxes were reduced to zero for rich and poor alike, it would make no difference to the functioning of the US government. If the FICA tax were reduced to zero, it would make no difference to the solvency of programs like Medicare and Social Security.
Why? Because, unlike you, the federal government has a printing press.
Some people complain that the USA gives billions in “aid” to Israel. Again, this is an illusion. Israel is monetarily sovereign, like the USA, and therefore creates as much money as it likes. When the corporate media says the USA gives “aid” to Israel, you become angry. You think, “Why are my tax dollars funding Israel?” The corporate media wants you to feel this anger, because your blind emotion maintains your brainwashing that finances for individuals are the same as finances for monetarily sovereign governments. It's the same anger you feel when you see that the rich and the corporations pay no taxes. In reality, no one should have to pay federal taxes, but this is concealed by anger about the rich paying no taxes.
Again, this is a lie because those governments have a printing press, while you do not. If YOU could print money in your house, then you would never be “in debt,” -- but you might tell the people who use your money that you are “in debt,” in order to make them grovel before you. When they want more money, you would shut down your printing press, and say, "We must all live within our means. Now start groveling."
This truth is so simple and obvious that it can only be concealed by non-stop lies. Hence the bankers, the politicians, and the corporate media constantly repeat that the USA is “in debt.”
This is not mere semantics. It is not merely an “interpretation,” or a “perspective.” It is an objective fact. The government has a printing press. You do not. Therefore the government can never “go broke,” but you can. The US government can never be crushed by “debt,” but you can. The US government does not have “debts,” but you do.
The more power that people have in society (e.g. bankers), the more their power rests on pure illusions. Deception is the strongest political force on the planet. The banker scam is smoke and mirrors, but it works, because the masses want to believe in fairy tales.
ISRAEL
Since I mentioned Israel, I note again that Israel’s politicians and central bank are now imposing more and more austerity on the Israeli masses.
So much for Jews supposedly being “smart about money.” The average Jew is as stupid and brainwashed as the average Goy.
Because European bankers and politicians are deliberately sustaining a depression in Europe, there has been a corresponding drop in European purchases of Israeli goods. Hence there is less money circulating in the Israeli economy. The result is a borderline depression in Israel.
Therefore Stanley Fischer (head of Israel’s central bank) and Israeli politicians have announced that they will plunge the Israeli economy into a full-blown depression via tax increases (which remove money from the economy), and cutbacks in government spending (which remove even more money from the economy).
Fischer and the Israeli politicians will intentionally create this depression in order to increase the wealth and power gap between themselves and the Israeli masses.
To conceal this scam, Israeli politicians will continue to distract the Israeli (and foreign) masses by continuing to make false threats that Israel is about to go to full-scale war with Iran, and that Hezbollah has millions of missiles aimed at Israeli children. Thus, while US politicians have only used the “war on terror” camouflage since 9-11, Israeli politicians have used it since 1948. (Actually, Jews have used it for centuries, since Jews are “Chosen,” and therefore have always under threat of a holo-hoax.)
The “war on terror” dovetails with the holo-hoax, plus the lie that the USA and Israel are “in debt.” All conceal the tyranny of bankers, politicians, and the One Percent.
Incidentally, rhetoric about the “federal deficit” is also part of the scam. The deficit is the difference between the revenue collected in taxes, and the money the government spends, right? But if the government does not use taxes, then the “deficit” is meaningless.
You and I do not have a printing press. Nor do states and corporations. Therefore you and I can indeed have a deficit between our income and expenses. Not so for the federal government.
So whenever people argue for or against “deficit spending,” they are using a misnomer. Hence they automatically surrender to the bankers and politicians. The debate would be much more rational if we simply discussed “government spending,” but the bankers, politicians, and corporate media always inject the false words “debt” and deficit” into the mix. Hence the masses remain confused and bickering.
Still not convinced? In an online discussion of 14 Aug 2012, AARP President Rob Romasco answered questions about Social Security funding, and accidentally admitted the BIG LIE.
Comment From Guest: “I hear conflicting statements in the media about Social Security running out of money. Is that true?

Rob Romasco: “Social Security receives money from tree main sources: from the payroll tax, from interest earned from bonds that are held in the Trust Funds, and the taxation of benefits.”

Comment From Guest: “Is the FICA tax holiday hurting Social Security?”

Rob Romasco: “No, the FICA tax holiday is in no way hurting the Social Security program. Even though the payroll tax was decreased by 2 percent, money is transferred from the ‘General Fund’ to make up for the lost payroll tax.”
There you have it. To pay for the “lost payroll tax,” money is transferred from the General Fund, meaning the US government simply creates the money.
How? I said the federal government does so by selling Treasury notes, but even this is an illusion.
The General Fund, the Social Security Trust Fund, and all federal funds are accounting fictions. They do not exist in any real form. They are nothing more than numbers on balance sheets, wholly under U.S. government control.
Though dollars may seem real and scarce to you and me, for a monetarily sovereign federal government, dollars are an accounting fiction. They are mere numbers the government manipulates at will. Need a trillion dollars to pay for Social Security? No problem. Credit the General Fund by $1 trillion, and debit the T-security account. Need another trillion to pay for Medicare? No problem. Credit the General Fund, and debit the T-security fund by another trillion. Need more dollars in the T-security account? No problem. Credit the T-security account, and debit other accounts at the Federal Reserve Bank, which keeps all T-security accounts.
Dollars are an accounting fiction, wholly controlled by the government, which can create an infinite number of them, simply by crediting accounts. The government can credit Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security accounts endlessly, just as it can credit all federal agency accounts, endlessly. The government creates money by simply making an electronic accounting entry. It can do this forever, or until no one will accept these created numbers as having any value.
The only way Social Security, or Medicare, or any federal program could run short of dollars is if the US government decides not to credit the program’s accounts. Such a decision would be purely political, i.e. done to further empower the One Percent.

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com...h/usa-not-debt



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GuestFellow
09-01-2012, 06:39 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
They might be anti-israel or whatever, but to look into history and i hope you have some knowledge of it, the zionists had struck deals with hitler, so a jewish state could be created faster.
Asslamu Alaikum,

Can you present evidence for this? I heard about this before and I think it's true, but I cannot find the sources (accidentally deleted it from my computer long time ago). I know the holocaust was used to convince the public that a Jewish state was required.
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Jedi_Mindset
09-01-2012, 07:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
Asslamu Alaikum,

Can you present evidence for this? I heard about this before and I think it's true, but I cannot find the sources (accidentally deleted it from my computer long time ago). I know the holocaust was used to convince the public that a Jewish state was required.
I remember that you sent a book to me;

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/index.html

m
aybe time to read again, hopefully i can provide more sources soon insha'Allah

its sad to see that alot of people are dying by the hands of a select few bankers families who want to estabilish a new world order.
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GuestFellow
09-01-2012, 07:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
I remember that you sent a book to me;

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/index.html

m
aybe time to read again, hopefully i can provide more sources soon insha'Allah

its sad to see that alot of people are dying by the hands of a select few bankers families who want to estabilish a new world order.
:sl:

That source? O____________________o

I must have overlooked. Can't believe someone actually read it. No wonder your so knowledgeable about economics and foreign affairs.
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Jedi_Mindset
09-01-2012, 07:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
:sl:

That source? O____________________o

I must have overlooked. Can't believe someone actually read it. No wonder your so knowledgeable about economics and foreign affairs.
I haven't read it completely, not everything, protocols of the elders of zion is a good book too, but its horrific man, i stopped reading meanwhile, but its just true, the book isnt anti-semitic, its very true. alot being lied about so the zionists and freemasons could hide it, but dont believe those lies: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

Also i'm gonna stop reading books like that, time for me to read the stories of the prophets(As) from ibn kathir. And more islamic books insha'Allah

This book is actually good also, deals with alot of misconceptions; http://kalamullah.com/Books/Life%20With%20The%20Taliban.pdf
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GuestFellow
09-01-2012, 08:26 PM
^ Asslamu Aliakum,

Protocols of the elders of Zion? I heard that was forged or something.
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Jedi_Mindset
09-01-2012, 09:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
^ Asslamu Aliakum,

Protocols of the elders of Zion? I heard that was forged or something.
Hmm, i dont know, there are many lies about this book to ''cover it up''. but alot of things in this book are true, remember this book doesnt talk about real jews but the zionists and kabbalistic ones.
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Santoku
09-08-2012, 10:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Jiri
Hello everybody, just to clarify - I'm not a muslim, but I think about it lately. Ok, now to the point.

(sorry, I can't post a link, because I have no posts yet, maybe somebody could help)

The thing is that immigrants in Greece (most of them are muslims) were protesting for their rights, which are being violated, but most of them in the city of Corinth were detained and put into a nearby military camp, which is another name for being taken to a concentration camp IMO.
As one who had kin who died in a REAL concentration camp I suggest you check up on what a concentration camp really is. Unless of course you have pictures of mass graves and crematoria with dozens of naked, gassed muslims being fed into them.
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جوري
09-08-2012, 10:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Santoku
As one who had kin who died in a REAL concentration camp
Come & talk to us when it is your ass that's being hauled into one. I think Zionists have been milking the holocaust for over half a century & frankly the whole world is sick of it. Want to see Muslims in mass graves (and of course you do) then just use the search engine and satisfy your sickness elsewhere!
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Jedi_Mindset
09-08-2012, 10:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
Come & talk to us when it is your ass that's being hauled into one. I think Zionists have been milking the holocaust for over half a century & frankly the whole world is sick of it. Want to see Muslims in mass graves (and of course you do) then just use the search engine and satisfy your sickness elsewhere!
The holocaust they caused themselves to create the imposter state of israel lol
The zionist state of israel is starting to get hated more and more in US and europe. Those bloody khazars dont even deserve to live there - Allah has driven the jews out of that land before and will do it again. Insha'Allah
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Jiri
09-09-2012, 01:19 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Santoku
As one who had kin who died in a REAL concentration camp I suggest you check up on what a concentration camp really is. Unless of course you have pictures of mass graves and crematoria with dozens of naked, gassed muslims being fed into them.
well, I just checked wikipedia and it say a concentration camp is "a guarded compound for the detention or imprisonment of aliens, members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, etc." or "a camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions." So I don't see how I was wrong in this case here.
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Santoku
09-09-2012, 10:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
Come & talk to us when it is your ass that's being hauled into one. I think Zionists have been milking the holocaust for over half a century & frankly the whole world is sick of it. Want to see Muslims in mass graves (and of course you do) then just use the search engine and satisfy your sickness elsewhere!

I am sick of it, too. My kin were not Jews of any description. There were many others who dies in concentration camps. 95% (estimated) of the European gypsies died in the concentration camps and were conveniently forgotten and romanies have been persecuted for a lot longer than muslims. And no my kin were not Romany either. They committed the terrible crime of opposing Hitler a little too loudly, they are not commemorated on any memorial, they have no shrine of remembrance, just my mother, their sister, who was lucky to be away from home the night the SD came calling.

I do not enjoy the sight of mass graves of anybody, half of my family are buried in one. So you tell me where in Greece muslims are being put into these graves.
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جوري
09-09-2012, 10:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Santoku
I am sick of it, too
Good then take a hike.
As for who has been persecuted longer than whom, perhaps your selective history and selective reading has more to do with your level of expertise on the matter than what the actual truth is.
We're all going to die at some point. I am sure you'll get over it the same way we're being asked to get over it in so many words by your person.

best,
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Santoku
09-09-2012, 11:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Jiri
well, I just checked wikipedia and it say a concentration camp is "a guarded compound for the detention or imprisonment of aliens, members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, etc." or "a camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions." So I don't see how I was wrong in this case here.
And that was the definition you had in mind? Or were you using the words to pull up a mental image of the Nazi death camps?
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جوري
09-09-2012, 11:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Santoku
And that was the definition you had in mind? Or were you using the words to pull up a mental image of the Nazi death camps?
How does a 5 year war (of which many were persecuted) compare to a 60+ year holocaust if we're speaking of the plight of Palestinians alone, or is 5 tantamount 60+ in your book? You're delusional at best!
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Santoku
09-09-2012, 11:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by منوة الخيال

Good then take a hike.
As for who has been persecuted longer than whom, perhaps your selective history and selective reading has more to do with your level of expertise on the matter than what the actual truth is.
We're all going to die at some point. I am sure you'll get over it the same way we're being asked to get over it in so many words by your person.

best,
Please show the quote where I ask you to get over it. I don't recall saying "get over it" so I guess it is you who is not only selective in their reading but also reads words that are not there.
And yes we all read our own histories and we have our own favourite versions. Some are more accurate than others but none of them tell the whole truth because they are written by human beings all of who have their own slant on history.

And, yes, we are all going to die. some will die hating, others loving and still others with every emotion in between, so what.
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جوري
09-09-2012, 11:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Santoku
Please show the quote where I ask you to get over it. I don't recall saying "get over it" so I guess it is you who is not only selective in their reading but also reads words that are not there.
And yes we all read our own histories and we have our own favourite versions. Some are more accurate than others but none of them tell the whole truth because they are written by human beings all of who have their own slant on history.

And, yes, we are all going to die. some will die hating, others loving and still others with every emotion in between, so what.
It is called abstract reasoning. Isn't that technically why on every other thread where some sentiment is growing toward an ill directed at Muslims for being just that Muslims, you rear your ugly words with something condescending, negatory and minimizing of the situation?
You see yourself as dying 'loving'? lol thanks for the guffaw!
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Santoku
09-09-2012, 11:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by منوة الخيال

How does a 5 year war (of which many were persecuted) compare to a 60+ year holocaust if we're speaking of the plight of Palestinians alone, or is 5 tantamount 60+ in your book? You're delusional at best!
I do not believe I did compare the war to the Palestinians' plight. I was talking about the situation in Greece, which is what this thread was originally about, it seems however that you are spoiling for a fight and I really cannot be bothered at this moment in time to correct your continual misquotes, so I am going to "take a hike" as you so delicately put it, although I question your authority to give such a command.
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جوري
09-09-2012, 11:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Santoku
I do not believe I did compare the war to the Palestinians' plight. I was talking about the situation in Greece, which is what this thread was originally about, it seems however that you are spoiling for a fight and I really cannot be bothered at this moment in time to correct your continual misquotes, so I am going to "take a hike" as you so delicately put it, although I question your authority to give such a command.
What would you like? stratify suffering to meet with your sensibilities based on your allegations of 'ancestral suffering'? You're such a hoot especially when in the same breath questioning my authority? Who the heck are you that your disapprovals should be at all taken into consideration?
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Independent
09-10-2012, 11:03 AM
With regard to concentration camps:

The term 'concentration camp' dates from the Boer War in South Africa. The British forces were struggling against hit and run tactics from the Boers, so they resorted to rounding up whole populations in some areas, to remove the support for the guerilla fighters. In other words, the people were 'concentrated' into one place (hence the name). These camps were intended purely as temporary internment centres. However, overcrowding and incompent management led to the outbreak of disease and many civilians died. As a result they received very negative publicity both in Britain and elsewhere.

The same term came to be used for the Nazi camps in WW2. Some were ordinary POW camps, but others of course were designed as execution centres for the Final Solution equipped with gas chambers etc. This is now the accepted meaning of the phrase 'concentration camp' - the Nazi version, not the earlier Boer War camps. It would have been clearer if a new name had been given to these camps, but that's the way it turned out.
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Ramadhan
09-12-2012, 04:02 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Santoku
As one who had kin who died in a REAL concentration camp I suggest you check up on what a concentration camp really is. Unless of course you have pictures of mass graves and crematoria with dozens of naked, gassed muslims being fed into them.
Since when did concentration camp become the monopoly of eastern european jews?
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GuestFellow
09-15-2012, 12:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ramadhan

Since when did concentration camp become the monopoly of eastern european jews?
Asslamu Aliakum,

Since the need to justify the killing of Muslims in Palestine and to protect Israel.
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Futuwwa
09-19-2012, 04:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
Hopefully, you will approve from what i am gonna post here, but its quite important, also related to the crisis in greece, spain et cetera

THE USA IS NOT IN DEBT

Submitted by Heydrich on Tue, 2012-08-28 07:09
*snip*
Does anyone here actually believe this? Because Heydrich fails economics forever.
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Jedi_Mindset
09-19-2012, 06:54 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa
Does anyone here actually believe this? Because Heydrich fails economics forever.
I myself dont agree with the article on many points but some points might be either true, it depends on how you see it.
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dusk
09-19-2012, 08:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa
Does anyone here actually believe this? Because Heydrich fails economics forever.
Who knows ever since the financial crisis out of every corner comes some fool with the brilliant discovery that money can be printed at will and has no underlying value. As if that wasn't the point of the system. Really strange that some people that actually studied and got some MBA sell it as news as if there are no classes on he banking system. This must be those people that only learn the Math formulas and how to apply them but never got the meaning.

Though this one is an especially foolish one. I am not sure the author really understands what money is or has ever heard anything about inflation. Germany could also just give green light and tell the ECB to buy all the Greek debt. Problem solved they have infinite money. Well they weren't given a choice now but that is considered the nuclear solution for a reason. Printing press is no free bee. If the Eurozone shares inflation due to printing money they might as well just give out euro bonds which many don't want. Sharing the interest rate at least doesn't decrease the value of wages, pension funds and everything else.
ECB says they can keep the inflation low because they take the money out at different places. Some economist even said that some more inflation would be good for all the Eurozone. It is difficult to answer but saying there is no debt and you can always print money for no cost is foolish.

If the US prints too much money and inflation kicks in the interest on their debt will rise sharply. If the debt buyer knows that in 12 months the money will be worth 10% less he will ask that much interest at least + something. Once the interest gets too high debt rises way faster than it can be payed of. So the government needs to print more money to stay solvent which will increase inflation even more and interest and so on. Which means at some point it is better to just default than wipe out the value of every dollar note there is. In the end there is no difference between defaulting via not paying or via inflation.
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GuestFellow
09-19-2012, 09:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa
Does anyone here actually believe this? Because Heydrich fails economics forever.
Asslamu Aliakum,

Not me.
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Futuwwa
09-20-2012, 07:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
I myself dont agree with the article on many points but some points might be either true, it depends on how you see it.
The article fails not only on some points, but is based on an entirely faulty premise. It claims that debt is not an issue since governments can just print money. Which might be true in principle, but should they resort to it, massive inflation would follow, ergo printing away the debt would essentially be the same as taxing those who have money (as the real value of their money decreases) to pay the debt. Printing money to pay off a debt is a last resort that causes massive economic damage via an inflation bomb, it's not some magic solution the government can do but chooses not to in order to be able to gouge social spending, as the author claims.

And the idea that US money handouts to Israel don't matter "because Israel can print money" is equally absurd. Israel is only able to print its domestic currency, the shekel, and were it to do it to buy arms, it would again be a tax on its own citizenry, and cause the effect of inflation. And the printed money would not buy Israel much arms from the US, since money-printing decreases the value of a national currency and makes it worthless on the international currency market.

There is no such thing as a free lunch in economics, and there are no easy effortless magic fixes. Money printing definitely isn't one.
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