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Aishath
09-03-2012, 06:18 PM
Asalaamu Alaikum,

If I get constant discharge all the time without a break, how long would my wudhu last? Does it have to be renewed for each salaat or for each salaat time as in from Dhuhr adhan to Asr (meaning can I pray Qadha, Fardh, nafl, recite Quran all with the same wudhu during this time frame)?

Thank you
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Muslim Woman
09-04-2012, 01:23 AM
Walaykum as Salaam

sis , u will find the ans in Sister's private section . Can u visit the section ?
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Hamza Asadullah
09-05-2012, 02:25 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Aishath
Asalaamu Alaikum,

If I get constant discharge all the time without a break, how long would my wudhu last? Does it have to be renewed for each salaat or for each salaat time as in from Dhuhr adhan to Asr (meaning can I pray Qadha, Fardh, nafl, recite Quran all with the same wudhu during this time frame)?

Thank you
Asalaamu Alaikum,

The religion is indeed easy. This is something that one must keep in mind. If this discharge only occurs sometimes then one is at best doubtful whether it occurred, whilst one is certain that one performed one's ritual ablution. A certainty can never be overcome by a doubt. One would therefore assume that one is still ritually pure and that one's prayer is valid. When one is able, one may then check whether a discharge occurred in which case one should perform the ablution for the next prayer.


And Allah knows best.

Source: http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=3614&CATE=3

Since you already have severe waswas then you should assume that your issue is only doubts unless it is proven by fact that you do indeed get discharge. As mentioned above certainty can never be overcome by doubt.

However if the discharge is continuous and does not stop for a period of time for you to remain pure and pray, then you are obliged to perform ablution for every prayer after its time commences and then pray that obligatory prayer along with the supererogatory prayers that are offered before or after the obligatory one with the same ablution, and the discharge during this period does not affect you. Therefore, you should perform ablution for 'Ishaa' prayer after its time commences and not after Maghrib prayer. However, if the discharge stops for a period that is sufficient for you to perform the prayer, then you have to wait for it to stop then you make ablution and pray, provided that this waiting does not lead to missing the time of the prayer.

Source: http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/in...twaId&Id=89318

And Allah knows bst in all matters
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Hamza Asadullah
09-05-2012, 02:26 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
Walaykum as Salaam

sis , u will find the ans in Sister's private section . Can u visit the section ?
:sl:

Maybe there are many sisters who have this issue and do not have access to the sisters section can benefit from knowing the answer to this?
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Aishath
09-05-2012, 03:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
Walaykum as Salaam

sis , u will find the ans in Sister's private section . Can u visit the section ?
Unfortunately I don't have access to the sisters forum. I don't really post that often do I don't think I've got the minimum required posts. It would be really good to talk to sisters who experience this to find what the easiest way to deal with this would be.


Also JazakAllah Khair brother Hamza for the reply.
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Muslim Woman
09-05-2012, 04:07 PM
:sl:



Fatwa No : 136791
Prayer of a woman who has continuous discharge
Fatwa Date : Rajab 12, 1431 / 24-6-2010
Question




If a woman who has a continuous discharge performs ablution to pray an obligatory prayer, can she pray voluntary prayers or recite the Quran until the time of the following obligatory prayer?


Answer




All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad, sallallaahu 'alyhi wa sallam, is His slave and Messenger.


Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen

said: "If this woman performs ablution after the time of the obligatory prayer had come, she can pray any obligatory or voluntary prayers she wishes or recite the Quran until the time the following obligatory prayer is due, at which point she has to renew her ablution."

Allaah Knows best.

http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/in...waId&Id=136791
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Muslim Woman
09-05-2012, 04:10 PM
:sl:


Fatwa No : 136793
She has continuous discharge and wants to perform the night prayer after midnight
Fatwa Date : Rajab 12, 1431 / 24-6-2010
Question


If a woman has a continuous discharge and performs aboution for 'Ishaa' prayer, is it permissible for her to pray the night prayer after midnight with the same ablution that she performed for ‘Ishaa’ prayer?


Answer


All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad, sallallaahu 'alyhi wa sallam, is His slave and Messenger.
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen

said: "No, when midnight begins, this woman should renew her ablution, although some scholars have said that she does not have to renew her ablution, and this is the preponderant opinion."
Allaah Knows best.
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Aishath
09-28-2012, 12:22 PM
JazakAllah Khair for the replies.

I just wanted to add a question to this. I was told in another forum that we have to stuff the area to stop the discharge. However I don't do this as often I can last for 2-3 prayers on the same wudhu (fardh and qadha or sunnah). I then tend to normally just renew my wudhu anyway for the next fardh even if I think it has lasted. Do we have to stuff in this manner?
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جوري
09-28-2012, 12:24 PM
Don't stuff anything. People giving you such advise need to show you both their Islamic scholarship and medical licenses.
Is this for real?
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Muslim Woman
10-10-2012, 02:39 AM
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posted upon request from a sis :





Quandary of Female Vaginal Discharge: Pure or Impure?

October 9, 2012 by Umm Reem

When I wrote my last piece on female wet dreams, I received many requests to add a portion on vaginal discharge as well. However, since vaginal discharge is a common quandary among Muslim women and a subject of controversy among the scholars, I wanted to write a separate entry on this.

Regular vaginal discharge has left many sisters confused as to whether:

It is najis (impure) therefore requiring her to wash off undergarments and legs
It breaks one's wudu or not

Many sisters turn to one of the most trusted websites, islam-qa, to find answers about this embarrassing and complicated topic. Many of them, then, pass along the answers based on the fatawa posted on the site. Links to the fatwas are listed at the bottom of the post.

To summarize the info in the links below, feminine discharge has been classified into the same categories as the discharge of males:

The water (secretions) of a woman fall into the same categories as water secreted by a man; so maniy [semen; fluid emitted at the point of climax], madhiy [a fluid which is usually secreted as a result of sexual excitement] and wadhiy [a thick, white fluid which may come after urination or due to other reasons such as illness] are all secreted by her.

It seems like wadhiy is what is considered a normal vaginal discharge, but, it is also assumed in some of the answers, that the vaginal discharge, other than sexual excitement, is only secreted on specific occasion like after urination or due to a disease.

In another fatwa there is specific distinction based on color and secretion. However, in this fatwa the wadhiy or the regular discharge which is named moisture, is not to be washed off the garments but it breaks wudu.

After reading these sets of fatawa, I felt more bewildered than educated on this matter. In my humble opinion, male scholars, no matter how much they research about this subject, cannot fully comprehend the complexity of the situation since they don't experience it themselves. And as much as I love and respect the shayookh on that site, I must respectfully suggest that certain issues need to be taken under consideration before classifying vaginal discharge as a cause of breaking the wudu.

First of all, let it be known that all women have vaginal discharge throughout the day. Some have more, some have less; some women always have white discharge and some have yellowish, and some may even have brownish. Additionally, this also varies based on many factors, like age, hormonal changes, marital status, birth control, pregnancy, stress, psychological tension, physical fatigue, ovulation etc. It would not be incorrect to state that anything and everything not only affects the amount secreted but even the color of it.

This information has been verified by different gynecologists, one of them being Dr. Lalani who answered regarding vaginal discharge:

Regarding vaginal discharge, yes there is a physiologic or normal discharge that most women have. It can vary from person to person in quantity and quality and vary depending on timing in the menstrual cycle (discharge is greatest at mid-cycle).

Keeping this in mind,

1. If regular vaginal discharge breaks wudu, then it means that the majority of the women will have to renew their wudu for almost each and every prayer. Having to renew wudu for each prayer is usually required when a person is going through some sort of abnormality in their physique. However, if a discharge is normal, then how can a female be burdened with renewing her wudu for almost every prayer? This basically implies that women cannot stay in the state of taharah (purity) most of the time. Not only it is a hardship upon women while they are staying inside their homes, but more so if they have to leave the house for shopping or traveling, etc. At times, it is difficult to find a spot to pray; now she must go around looking for a bathroom to renew her wudu first!

2. Furthermore, if regular vaginal discharge were to be considered najs in addition to breaking wudu, the hardship would be increased even more. How many times a day is it expected of Muslim females to change their undergarments? In the case of being outside her home, she must find a place to wash off her underwear first, then find a place to renew her wudu, and then find a place to pray! In all honesty, I do not believe that Allāh azzawajal would subject women to this great difficulty, wAllahu ta'ala alam.

3. Based on the fatawa above, the vaginal discharge is further classified based on the color and texture. I believe women will easily acknowledge that this is an overly simplistic classification of a very complicated matter. Although, generally each woman knows her regular discharge, it can differ in its color and texture at different times of the same day depending on many factors like mental stress, physical stress, ovulation, PMS'ing, etc.

When I posed this question to Dr. Lalani, she answered:

Yes, this is definitely true. In my humble opinion, I don't think that the discharge of women can be compared to that of men, but I don't treat men, so if you know a Muslim urologist it may be helpful to get some input.

4. Another point of classification mentioned in the above fatawa is the fact that female discharge is of two types, one secreting from urethra and the other from the uterus. The first being impure and the latter being pure. I posed this question to Dr. Lalani to find out if it was even practically possible for women to know which opening the discharge was secreted from, and her reply was:

I think it is impossible to differentiate based on color or texture.

If the rulings were so complicated, how would a normal-everyday-average-woman that is not knowledgeable about women's anatomy be able to cope!

5. In addition to the entire dilemma above, some sisters mentioned yet another predicament with regard to above rulings. What happens when females are at Hajj or Umrah? People are told to eat and drink less especially during hajj so they can maintain their wudu for longer periods of time. How practical, during Hajj, is the implication of the ruling that regular vaginal discharge breaks wudu! What can the majority of the women do to keep away from a discharge that is secreted from their body REGULARY and is out of their control? Especially during Hajj, a time when everyone is physically fatigued. During such fatigue, a woman's body is prone to increase its vaginal discharge, and can even change its color and texture based on the level of stress. Then how can it be expected of a woman to maintain her wudu for longer periods of time, unless what is considered by some scholars a cause of breaking the wudu, is actually not a cause to break the wudu, wAllahu ta'ala alam.

Because of these factors, this predicament has left many Muslim women frustrated. Many sisters still struggle with distinguishing between the color of what marks the beginning and the end of their menstrual cycle, let alone knowing the different color/texture of daily vaginal discharge. Women of all ages, from young girls to older aunties, of various ethnicities, have discussed the dilemma of the inconsistency of the color of the discharge before and after menstruation. It is simply impossible to distinguish the color on a daily basis especially with such a sensitive situation where the prayer can be nullified based on the wrong judgment.

That is why, and Allāh knows best, I fear that digging too much into the color and texture is inviting complications upon ourselves, similar to how it was invited by inquiring too much about the color and texture of the cow when Musa (peace be upon him) sai to his people that Allāh commands them to slaughter a cow. For many of us, this issue has raised more questions than answers. And that makes me think, and Allāh knows best, that there must be a reason why there is:

1. Lack of Textual Proof: There is no textual proof to make regular vaginal discharge a cause of breaking wudu. If it was a cause then it would have been explicitly mentioned in at least one narration. It is interesting that there are many narrations explicitly mentioning a number of things breaking the wudu, however, regular vaginal discharge has never been mentioned in any one of them.

2. Lack of Questions from the Women of Ansar: We always read about the enthusiasm of the women of the Ansar for learning their religion. It is narrated that Aisha raḍyAllāhu 'anha (may Allāh be pleased with her) said:

How excellent are the women of the Ansar, shyness/modesty does not prevent them from understanding the religion. [Bukhāri]

They would not leave matters in confusion, but would rather find a concrete answer even if it required sending their pads to the Prophet ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam (peace and blessings of Allāh be upon him), to find out if their cycle had ended or not. Is it then logical that they would not specifically question about their regular vaginal secretion?

UNLESS, the discharge was considered so normal and regular that it was obvious that it did not break the wudu. Perhaps, this situation was similar to the saliva in one's mouth and how swallowing it while fasting does not invalidate one's fast. But we don't find any explicit text explaining it neither do we find any companion questioning the Prophet ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam (peace and blessings of Allāh be upon him), about it. Maybe because it was common sense and obvious and that's why no one ever brought up this issue, wAllahu ta'ala alam.

It may have been the same reason why no female companion ever brought up the issue of regular vaginal discharge. And, maybe, it was considered common sense that classifying it as a cause to break wudu would be a matter of great hardship, and Allāh doesn't intend hardship for us rather He makes matters easy. Similar to how the scholars concluded that since avoiding swallowing of the saliva is extremely difficult while fasting, and sharee'ah wards off unusual difficulty, then it must not be a cause to break one's fast. Likewise, marking vaginal discharge as a reason to break wudu, doesn't correspond with the spirit of ease, for Allāh azzawajal said:

Allāh intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you. [Surah Al-Baqarah, 185]

Allāh does not want to place you in difficulty, but He wants to purify you, and to complete His Favor to you that you may be thankful. [Surah Al-An'am, 6]

…and [Allāh] has not laid upon you in religion any hardship… [Surah Al-Hajj, 78]

If the textual proof had existed clearly distinguishing vaginal discharge as a cause for breaking wudu, as is the case with the other actions that break wudu and are mentioned clearly in a number of ahadeeth, then we would have withdrawn from the rational argument and would have heard and obeyed by Allāh's permission. However, the lack of textual evidence is a strong indication that there is room for logical reasoning.

Moreover, like any fiqhi matter, there is disagreement among the scholars on this issue too. And it seems that Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen changed his opinion by the end of his life, as stated on IslamToday:

About vaginal discharge by Sheikh Yusuf al-Qasim: What comes from the vagina, emanating from the birth canal, is pure. It requires neither a ritual bath, nor wudu, nor the washing of affected clothing. The reason for this is the absence of any textual evidence to the extent of my knowledge that indicates the impurity of this discharge or that it invalidates a woman's wudu. This is very pertinent, especially since this discharge is something that affects all women, from the time of the Prophet ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam (peace and blessings of Allāh be upon him) up to today. If it had been impure or if it had nullified wudu, this would have been clarified by the Lawgiver. Also, this discharge is not a waste product like urine and feces which are the waste products of our food and drink. It is a natural emanation from the womb. This is why it increases with pregnancy, especially during certain months. This ruling is the final opinion that Sheikh al-Uthaymeen settled upon at the end of his life. It was also the view of Ibn Hazm. And Allāh knows best.

About vaginal discharge by Sheikh Ahmad al-Khall: The moisture which comes out from women's vagina is a matter of disagreement among scholars. The most correct rule, in my opinion, is that it is pure and does not invalidate wudu. (Answered by the Fatwa Department Research Committee – chaired by Sheikh Abd al-Wahhab al-Turayr)

As for the rulings over other vaginal discharge that is secreted during sexual excitement or intercourse is obviously understandable and applicable as it is occasional and is caused by certain actions that are controllable. Hence, if a woman has discharge during sexual thoughts, foreplay, kissing etc., without an orgasm, then she should renew her wudu. And if she has intercourse, orgasm or a wet dream then she should make ghusal.

To conclude, I am in no position to give verdicts on Islamic rulings, neither is my knowledge anywhere close to the shayookh who have answered the questions in the links below. At the same time, I have not found any sister, so far, who finds the position of those shayookh, with regard to the REGULAR vaginal discharge, as sympathetic or an understanding approach towards female physique. I do believe that since it is a matter that our shayookh have not experienced themselves they cannot fully comprehend the difficulty of the situation, like they understood the situation of swallowing saliva during the fast. Nevertheless, I highly respect them and I understand that this is possibly another issue of ikhtilaf (disagreement). So if sisters choose to follow their position, by all means, the doors of differences of opinions have been left open and we must learn to agree to disagree on matters of fiqh. As for the sisters, who are confused and find the ruling difficult based on what has been discussed above, then they have a choice, in spirit of sharee'ah's assurance of ease and simplicity, to consider the REGULAR vaginal discharge as pure and not a reason to break the wudu, wAllahu ta'ala alam.

Let me end the article with a note from Shaikh Yasir Qadhi:

“The issue of female vaginal discharges is one of those that appears to be different between 'theory' and 'existence'. Most male scholars simply assumed that it should take the same ruling as that of irregular male discharge (known as wady). This qiyas, in my humble opinion, is simply not warranted.

The average woman emits vaginal secretions throughout the day, albeit most do so in extremely minuscule quantities. Some are able to detect minor discharges, and it is these women who ask the status of wudhu after such a discharge.

Personally, while I do agree that a majority of our (male) scholars have historically considered this discharge to be najas, and to break the wudhu, I think that a feminine perspective is warranted on the issue. When so many women experience this discharge, and no textual evidence appears to indicate its status as najas, I believe that it is completely safe for a woman to follow the opinion that it does not affect the status of her wudhu. Nonetheless, if she were to take the majority opinion, just to be on the safe side, this would also be good.”

Links:

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/99507

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/2458

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/12223

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/7776

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/44980

http://muslimmatters.org/2012/10/09/...ure-or-impure/
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