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Aprender
09-26-2012, 10:37 PM


Mona Eltahawy, the prominent Egyptian-American writer and activist, has been arrested in New York after spraying paint over a controversial poster on the subway that has been condemned for equating Muslims with "savages".


The posters were put up in the city by the anti-Muslim American Freedom Defense Initiative, led by Pam Geller. They were approved by a US court, which ruled that they were "political" statements and protected by the first amendment, which guarantees free speech.


The poster states: "In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man." Between two Stars of David, it adds: "Support Israel. Defeat Jihad."


Eltahawy was arrested after a supporter of Geller's initiative attempted to prevent her defacing the sign with a purple aerosol.


The posters are now displayed in 10 New York stations – including Grand Central and Times Square – after a court ruled that the local transport authority could not refuse the ads.


In a video posted online of the incident by the New York Post, Mona Eltahawy can be seen attempting to paint over the poster before she is tackled by a woman with a camera, who is identified as Pamela Hall.


"Mona, do you think you have the right to do this?" Eltahawy is asked. "I do actually," Eltahawy replies, adding: "I think this is freedom of expression, just as [the ad] is freedom of expression."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/26/activist-new-york-anti-muslim-poster
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sister herb
09-27-2012, 05:47 AM
[ 26/09/2012 - 11:10 PM ]


By Khalid Amayreh



A recent advertisement in a New York subway station, placed by Jewish fanatics, claimed that Israel represented civility and enlightenment while the Palestinians and other Muslims in general represented savagery, bestiality and primitiveness.

"In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad," read the advertisement.

The claim that Israel represents civility is actually no less than a fornication with truth, history and even language.

Historically, Israel was created by East European savages who invaded Palestine with the help of western powers. The invading Jewish savages murdered the native Palestinians, destroyed their homes, bulldozed their fields and then expelled them to the four winds.

According to Alfred Lillienthal, the late Jewish American writer and author of the Jewish Connection, the early Zionists who originated in Eastern Europe adopted the same fascist traditions that had prevailed in large parts of Europe, including Germany.

Hence, one would exaggerate very little by saying that Israel is a crime against humanity. What else one could say about a state that superimposed itself right upon another people and another nation?

What Israel did to the Palestinians, the original people of the region, is not much different from what the White American settlers did to millions of Native Americans. The white settlers exterminated untold numbers, probably more than ten millions, of these helpless American Indians and then called the genocide "manifest destiny."

In fact this argument was used by Israeli leaders and spokesmen to ward off criticisms of Israeli ethnic cleansing of native Palestinians by some conscientious Americans.

The Americans would retort by arguing that the extermination of the Native Americans was a sorry chapter in American history just like the issue of slavery. However, the US at least sought to rectify some of these unchangeable historical crimes by introducing equality among all US citizens, irrespective of religion and race, something that Israel is yet to do for its citizens.

In fact, despite the striking similarities between America's and Israel's stories, there are notable differences.

Generally speaking, in North America, white settlers didn't build cities, villages and hamlets on the ruins of Native American towns, villages and hamlets. But in Israel, nearly every Jewish town, village or Kibbutz was built on the site of a destroyed and depopulated Palestinian town, village and hamlet.

The full extent of the Palestinian Nakba, or extirpation of the Palestinian people from their ancestral homeland at the hands of barbaric Jewish invaders from Easter Europe was meticulously documented in Walid Khalidi's marvelous work "All That Remains: The Palestinian Villages Occupied and Depopulated by Israel in 1948."

I have been living under the Israeli rule for more than 45 years and I honestly fail to see any particular sign indicating that Israel is more civilized than other peoples. In fact, there are tons of evidence proving that Israel can be and often is more savage than other nations.

I am not going to cite the biblical code of ethics which most Israeli Jews subscribe to. In the final analysis, it is probably unfair to blame or hold contemporary Jews responsible for "religious" books written more than 3,000 years ago.

However, when these manifestly criminal and nefarious laws are readily adopted and promoted by the Israeli society, there is then more than just a catch-22.

A few years ago, a settler leader came to Hebron to boost the morale of local settlers. She told them that the best way to deal with Palestinians was to murder every man, woman and child.

There are many examples one can cite to prove that the distance between Israel and civility is measured not in kilometers and miles, but rather in light years.

Forget about Jewish and Zionist propaganda, especially in North America, where the black is changed into white, the white into black, the criminals into victims and the big lie into a truth glorified by millions of unsuspecting Americans who consume Jewish lies in the morning, in the afternoon and in the evening.

The truth of the matter is that as far as ideology is concerned, Israel and Nazi Germany are like tweedledum and tweedeldee.

The Germans thought they were the "Master Race" whereas Zionist Jews think of themselves as the "Chosen people" which is another way of saying "the master race." Don't get me wrong. Jews and everyone else have a perfect right to think of themselves as the Almighty's children. They may even consider themselves mini-gods. This is not the problem.

The problem arises when these supremacist Jews seek to translate their morbid vagaries and convictions into a venomous political ideology and then act on it.

I recently watched a you-tube featuring a Jewish rabbi, probably affiliated with the influential Chabad cult, saying that it would be perfectly possible for a Jew to murder a gentile in order to harvest his or her organ if the Jew needed one.

The man was not hallucinating or imagining things. He knew what he was saying. According to some interpretations of Halakha or Jewish religious law, the lives of non-Jews have no sanctity.

This is by no means a merely theoretical religious conviction. A few years ago, a Jewish murderer, actually an immigrant from France, decapitated an Arab taxi driver from Eastern Jerusalem. And when the murderer was prosecuted, he told the judge that his neighborhood rabbi told him that he could kill an Arab just like he would kill an animal since the life of a gentile has no sanctity.

Another example of Israeli Zionist Jewish civility is a statement made by Rabbi Ovadia Yosef during a Sabbath homily in West Jerusalem a few years ago.

Yosef, the religious and spiritual mentor of one of the largest political parties in Israel, was quoted by the Israeli press as saying that non-Jews were very much like donkeys and other beasts of burden which the Almighty created solely in order to serve the master race, the Chosen people.

Unfortunately, such statements no longer raise eyebrows in Israel, neither among the political class nor among intellectuals and the intelligentsia, which shows the extent to which fascism and racism are permeating through the Israeli society.

In fact, we could speak hours and hours and hours about Israeli and Jewish savagery, both in theory and practice. A few years ago, Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu was quoted as saying that "If the Palestinians don't stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand." And, "if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don't stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop."

The same rabbi, who died a few years ago, demanded that the children of Palestinian freedom fighters be hanged in order to inflict maximum emotional pain on their parents.

Now is this Hitlerian nefariousness an expression of civility on the part of Israel and the Jews? Remember Elyahu was a messianic Jew affiliated with the movement known as Gush Emunim as well as a prominent mentor at the Talmudic College in Jerusalem, known as Merkaz Ha'rav. He was by no means a marginal figure.

Rabbis in Israel are considered the crème de la crème of society, so if this is their standard of humanity and morality, one can imagine the type of ethics and civility harbored by the non-religious sectors in Israel.

Unfortunately, in many cases secularist Jews happen to display more humanness and civility in comparison to gung-ho religious Jews who advocate total genocide of Palestinians in what they call "Yeretz Yisrael."

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/d...9sH7JSNKZBg%3d
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Aprender
09-28-2012, 01:36 AM
What I want to know is why the lady blocking the poster wasn't also arrested. She assaulted Mona.
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Mustafa2012
09-28-2012, 01:48 AM
Thank you! This proves my point about Freedom of Speech.

It's a completely joke and a hypocrisy which some people is enshrined in the constitution.

Why are they allowed to post pro-israeli posters which is clearly offensive and discriminatory to muslims but when a muslim tries to cover it up, she's attacked and arrested?

WHERE IS THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN THAT?

HYPOCRITES!

Why don't they just add into the constitution, "Freedom of Speech is available for people of all faiths except applicable to muslims"?
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CosmicPathos
09-28-2012, 01:51 AM
On aside, Mona likes to be the centre of controversy. From Egyptian men supposedly assaulting her to this ...
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Mustafa2012
09-28-2012, 01:53 AM
Sorry, just to correct my typos above,

I meant...

It's a completely joke and a hypocrisy which some people claim is enshrined in the constitution.

Why are they allowed to post pro-israeli posters which is clearly offensive and discriminatory to muslims but when a muslim tries to cover it up, she's attacked and arrested?

WHERE IS THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN THAT?

HYPOCRITES!

Why don't they just add into the constitution, "Freedom of Speech is available for people of all faiths except for Muslims"?
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Hulk
09-28-2012, 01:56 AM
the blocking lady looks decent, so sad that she is defending nonsense.
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Darth Ultor
09-28-2012, 02:05 AM
As a Jew, I'm ashamed of these posters.
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Mustafa2012
09-28-2012, 02:14 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hulk
the blocking lady looks decent, so sad that she is defending nonsense.
Why do you say she's defending nonsense?
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جوري
09-28-2012, 02:15 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa2012
Why do you say she's defending nonsense?
I think he means the lady with the camera
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Mustafa2012
09-28-2012, 02:18 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Darth Ultor
As a Jew, I'm ashamed of these posters.
Thank you.

I don't think any orthodox Jew would support the message in those posters.

It's most likely to be one of the extremist sects that's behind it, of course with the full backing by their close friends in the administration.
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Mustafa2012
09-28-2012, 02:49 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by منوة الخيال
I think he means the lady with the camera
Right. Thanks for clarifying.

Sorry Hulk!

I've seen this kind of a stunt happen before.

That journalist blocked the poster not only to try to prevent the poster being sprayed but it's most likely she did it purposely to make Mona look really bad in public.

She knew what she was doing and she knew she'd get the law on her side and then pretend to be the victim.

Oh let's all feel sorry for her!
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Ramadan90
09-28-2012, 05:48 AM
The "civilized" west is showing its true color. Hypocrisy at its best. Do people actually believe that we have freedom of speech?
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Jedi_Mindset
09-28-2012, 01:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos
On aside, Mona likes to be the centre of controversy. From Egyptian men supposedly assaulting her to this ...
Haha you're so right akhi! Know what you mean...;D But lets not talk about that, since some sisters here will jump the gun.

I think its a usless action, if i decide to use a spray can to cover all the posters in a subway, wouldnt i be arrested to? It suprises me also that the US police didnt shot her , they have a good reputation: Shoot first, ask later. just like US soldiers.

The posters are another anti-islam propaganda, would've personally pulled them off.
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Who Am I?
09-28-2012, 03:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Allah<3
The "civilized" west is showing its true color. Hypocrisy at its best. Do people actually believe that we have freedom of speech?
I have been saying the same thing for years.

There is no such thing as "freedom of speech". There are no free elections. Democracy is a lie. There is only the illusion of choice.
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Mustafa2012
09-28-2012, 03:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
Haha you're so right akhi! Know what you mean...;D But lets not talk about that, since some sisters here will jump the gun.

I think its a usless action, if i decide to use a spray can to cover all the posters in a subway, wouldnt i be arrested to? It suprises me also that the US police didnt shot her , they have a good reputation: Shoot first, ask later. just like US soldiers.

The posters are another anti-islam propaganda, would've personally pulled them off.
I agree. Spraying posters was probably not the best way to cover up that clearly racist and anti-islamic poster.

A large sticker would have been much more effective.

She should have complained to the advertising standards watchdog because that kind of propaganda is clearly inciting racism and religious hatred.

I'm just trying to think how that journalist knew about the incident. She must heave been invited or tipped off.
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Mustafa2012
09-28-2012, 04:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Who Am I?
I have been saying the same thing for years.

There is no such thing as "freedom of speech". There are no free elections. Democracy is a lie. There is only the illusion of choice.
To put it more accurately.

Freedom of speech is only allowed for non muslims. Its a special club.

Muslims have no freedom of speech .

Even though we work as hard as non Muslims and pay our taxes, we still get third class treatment when it comes to our rights.

That is the civilised, just society we live in.
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karimium
09-28-2012, 09:53 PM
it's shocking how fringe groups can get the go ahead to put up these inaccurate propaganda ads on public billboards. I really hope the Jewish Lobby in the UK don't start canvassin british people like this. They have the money to spend putting up these pointless banners I guess.
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Mustafa2012
09-28-2012, 10:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by karimium
it's shocking how fringe groups can get the go ahead to put up these inaccurate propaganda ads on public billboards. I really hope the Jewish Lobby in the UK don't start canvassin british people like this. They have the money to spend putting up these pointless banners I guess.
Yeah. Money makes people bend the rules.

But let's not start giving people ideas.

We seek refuge in Allaah from their evil.
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joesixpack
09-29-2012, 03:15 AM
The legal term for what she is doing is "vandalism" because she is defacing another's property. It is an act of civil disobedience, and though I agree with her actions, there will be legal ramifications.

If I see any of these posters I will cut them down and take the punishment. I don't see any other way around it, so I'll take the handcuffs rather than let **** of that nature go. I don't have enough room in my attic for more than one Muslim family, so I'd rather stop the racism here and now.
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Mustafa2012
09-29-2012, 05:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by joesixpack
The legal term for what she is doing is "vandalism" because she is defacing another's property. It is an act of civil disobedience, and though I agree with her actions, there will be legal ramifications.

If I see any of these posters I will cut them down and take the punishment. I don't see any other way around it, so I'll take the handcuffs rather than let **** of that nature go. I don't have enough room in my attic for more than one Muslim family, so I'd rather stop the racism here and now.
Thanks for your support.

I just don't understand how people can be allowed to put racist adverts like that up in the first place.

Surely that's a bigger crime than vandalism.

There's clearly a problem in the way public posters or advertising of that kind is screened and vetted prior to being put out in public view.

It's strange that people can be allowed to advertise racist propaganda inciting hatred against the Palestinian people who have already gone through over 50 years of occupation and oppression of all kinds but yet when someone tries to cover it up, it's seen as vandalism and an infringement of the right to freedom of speech.

Maybe I'm missing something here?

The oppressor is claiming to be civilised?
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KAding
09-30-2012, 03:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Allah<3
The "civilized" west is showing its true color. Hypocrisy at its best. Do people actually believe that we have freedom of speech?
Just because you have freedom of expression doesn't mean you can go around vandalizing other people's posters. That has nothing to do with hypocrisy.

It would have been hypocrisy if a similar poster but with an ending of "Support the Palestinians" would have been banned. I do not believe that would have been the case, as that would have been unconstitutional and no judge would have allowed it.
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KAding
09-30-2012, 03:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa2012
Thanks for your support.

I just don't understand how people can be allowed to put racist adverts like that up in the first place.

Surely that's a bigger crime than vandalism.

There's clearly a problem in the way public posters or advertising of that kind is screened and vetted prior to being put out in public view.

It's strange that people can be allowed to advertise racist propaganda inciting hatred against the Palestinian people who have already gone through over 50 years of occupation and oppression of all kinds but yet when someone tries to cover it up, it's seen as vandalism and an infringement of the right to freedom of speech.

Maybe I'm missing something here?

The oppressor is claiming to be civilised?
Well, that is the nature of freedom of speech, namely that the government may not ban such posters. Racism (if this is racism, that is debatable!) is not a crime under US law, as there are no such things as thought crimes in the US legal system. It is not thought to be the responsibility of the government to decide what is good and bad in political speech.

People who want to see this changed need to be careful what they wish for, as these laws can be just as easily be used against them and their beliefs.
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sister herb
09-30-2012, 07:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa2012
Muslims have no freedom of speech .
100% agree
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sister herb
09-30-2012, 07:36 PM
If freedom of speech means as insult others... then no.

:hiding:
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Mustafa2012
09-30-2012, 08:22 PM
Yes that is the sad nature of selective freedom of speech. The type that is reserved only for certain groups of people, namely non muslims.

In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad
If the statement made in the poster is not racist then at the very least it certainly is trying to suggest that Paestinians are all savages by default and without any provocation and oppression on Israel's part. This is clearly not the case and the above statement is clearly a lie and a type of half-truth.

It's a lie because it is suggesting that Palestinians are savages without mentioning how they have been oppressed for the last 50 years and pushed to the point where they are doing things which under normal circumstances would not be considered reasonable. The only difference is that they are not living in normal conditions like most people enjoy in the West. They have been living in very oppressive conditions for the last 50 years.

It's a lie because it is public knowledge that Israel have been committing atrocities against the Palestinians for over 50 years. They were the first people to use violence and force to achieve their aims. Look into the history of
Palestine.

The U.N. have even admitted that Israeli occupation of Palestine is illegal but they have been standing by watching Israel oppress, rape and murder hundreds of Palestinians over the years without taking any action against them.

It's a mis-information to imply that Palestinians are savages but not acknowledge that the world has turned a blind eye to the oppression against the Palestinians and Israel's role in oppressing the Palestinians to the point where they are forced to do whatever they can to survive.

There was a time when the word "Negro" was not considered a racist term and a time when black people were not allowed to enter public places but after some black people took a stand, people had to accept them as human beings with the same rights as others (at least on paper, even in practice there's still a lot of racism towards blacks especially in America)

The problem with freedom of speech at the moment is that although it is made to appear that it allowed for any and everyone, the truth is that it is only allowed for non muslims.

They can say just about anything they want regardless of whether it is racist, discriminative or incites hatred towards other religions without any consequences. The moment a Muslim stands up for their rights, the law comes down on them with full force.

The people who want to see things changed are not asking for any special privileges apart from the same right to freedom of speech that is being allowed for everyone else because Muslims pay their taxes and contribute to their economies just like everyone else.

format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
Well, that is the nature of freedom of speech, namely that the government may not ban such posters. Racism (if this is racism, that is debatable!) is not a crime under US law, as there are no such things as thought crimes in the US legal system. It is not thought to be the responsibility of the government to decide what is good and bad in political speech.

People who want to see this changed need to be careful what they wish for, as these laws can be just as easily be used against them and their beliefs.
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