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habibal
11-04-2012, 07:26 PM
First, I would like to offer a defense to quaranism. I would ask those who are Shites or Sunnis, Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, or Hanbali... Which one of these was the Prophet Muhammad? Obviously, the answer is none of these. There was no organized religion because it wasn't needed. All the things that were added to create an organized religion are basically throw away and were never practised at all by the Prophet.
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Abz2000
11-04-2012, 07:41 PM
It seems as if you're confusing the terms "organised religion" and "sect",
The prophet pbuh was very organised, he built a complete state in 13 years which is the foundation of the worldly aspect of Islam. He pbuh also made laws by which the citizenry was bound, and so did the khulafa after him
making it a completely "organised" system.

It is true that he pbuh didn't follow any madhab or sect and didn't instruct us to, but the scholars you mention were very learned men who spent their whole lives studying how to implement the teachings of the prophet pbuh and there is much to learn from them.
They would come across a new problem, analyse it, and use their extensive knowledge to find answers.
I personally don't feel bound by any madhab because I know that I won't be able to throw the blame on them on the day of judgement, I do however read up on their opinions and work on that, and I consider hem to be worthy of much respect for the hard work they did for the deen.
Yes they were men who did make mistakes, but they definitely acquired more knowledge than me, if someone can do better, i'm happy to read up on heir opinions too.

Let us not be fooled by puppet dictators in power who seek to control us and legislate kufr laws for us while we blunder along haphazardly and in a disorganised fashion without uniting and working together, because they know that this religion cannot move forward without us setting up an organised system via which we can re-claim the legislature and set up that way of life in which Allah is the law-giver, not Obama or elizabeth.
Peace.
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Scimitar
11-17-2012, 07:48 AM
Bro, you have a very one eyed vision... I have no idea why you are on this forum.

Be as you will.

For the record, we do our research - just because it doesn't agree with your "Opinion", you cannot write us of for it. Infact, the very fact that the majority of Muslims in the world are Sunni, shows solidarity in faith - yet you would count yourself apart from that, a minority sectarian bigot who in his first post came across derogatory here. By that standard alone I would say that you need a lesson on humility. As for your thread title, "I come to give you the truth" - just shows how arrogant you are in your belief.

Are you an hadeeth rejector?

Welcome to the forum. You gonna learn loads here. You need to. (does that comment sting?)
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M.I.A.
11-17-2012, 09:03 AM
the truth is subjective.

talking a good game and having a good game are two different things.


takes a while to understand.
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Hulk
11-17-2012, 09:51 AM
There are many weak points in your post such as your assumption of people's ignorance in the religion they follow, as well as your bias or possibly ignorance explanation of how hadith was gathered. I don't really want to get into that though so I'll take another route which to me is much more simple..

When the Quran came, did the Prophet (pbuh) simply gave the muslims the text and then moved on or did he explain, taught, conveyed it's meaning to them?

It doesn't take much thought.. I hope you are honest enough with yourself to see the truth.
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IbnAbdulHakim
11-17-2012, 10:25 AM
you cannot be a muslim if you believe quran to have inaccuracies.

please reform your islam and agenda or leave debating a religion you half heartedly accept. may Allaah help us all
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~Zaria~
11-17-2012, 03:48 PM
Why do we have to follow the sunnah of the prophet Muhammad and not just follow the quraan ?
Why do we have to follow a specific Mathab?


Praise be to Allaah.

The first question may appear strange and somewhat surprising to committed, practising Muslims. How can something which is so obviously one of the bases of Islaam become a matter for discussion and debate? But since the question has been asked, we will present, with the help of Allaah, the principles and bases of the importance of the Sunnah, the obligation to follow it and the ruling concerning those who reject it. By so doing, we will also refute the doubters and the misguided group who call themselves “Qur’aaniyyeen” (the Qur’aan has nothing to do with them!) In sha Allaah this discussion will be of benefit to everyone who wants to understand the truth of the matter.

Proof of the importance of the Sunnah

(1) The Qur’aan speaks of the importance of the Sunnah, for example:

(a) Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:80] Allaah described obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him) as being a part of obedience to Him. Then He made a connection between obedience to Him and obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him): “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

(b) Allaah warns us not to go against the Prophet (peace be upon him), and states that whoever disobeys him will be doomed to eternal Hell. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “. . . And let those who oppose the Messenger’s commandment beware, lest some fitnah (trial, affliction, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them.” [al-Nur 24:63]

(c) Allaah has made obedience to His Prophet a religious duty; resisting or opposing it is a sign of hypocrisy: “”But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you [Muhammad] judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:65]

(d) Allaah commands His slaves to respond to Him and His Messenger: “O you who believe! Answer Allaah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life . . .” [al-Anfaal 8:24]

(e) Allaah also commands His slaves to refer all disputes to him: “. . . (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

(2) The Sunnah itself indicates the importance of the Sunnah. For example:

(a) Al-Tirmidhi reported from Abu Raafi’ and others that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “I do not want to see any one of you reclining on his couch and, when he hears of my instructions or prohibitions, saying ‘I don’t accept it; we didn’t find any such thing in the Book of Allaah.’” Abu ‘Eesaa said: This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. (See Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Shaakir edition, no. 2663).

Al-’Irbaad ibn Saariyah, may Allaah be pleased with him, reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Would any of you think, reclining on his couch, that Allaah would only describe what is forbidden in the Qur’aan? I tell you, by Allaah, that I have warned and commanded and prohibited things that are as important as what is in the Qur’aan, if not more so.” (Reported by Abu Dawud, Kitaab al-Khiraj wa’l-imaarah wa’l-fay’).

(b) Abu Dawud also reported from al-’Irbaad ibn Saariyah, may Allaah be pleased with him, that “the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) led us in prayer one day, then he turned to us and exhorted us strongly . . . (he said), ‘Pay attention to my sunnah (way) and the way of the Rightly-guided Khaleefahs after me, adhere to it and hold fast to it.’” (Saheeh Abi Dawud, Kitaab al-Sunnah).

(3) The scholars’ consensus (ijmaa’) affirming the importance of the Sunnah.

Al-Shaafi’i, may Allaah have mercy on him, said: “I do not know of anyone among the Sahaabah and Taabi’een who narrated a report from the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) without accepting it, adhering to it and affirming that this was sunnah. Those who came after the Taabi’een, and those whom we met did likewise: they all accepted the reports and took them to be sunnah, praising those who followed them and criticizing those who went against them. Whoever deviated from this path would be regarded by us as having deviated from the way of the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and the scholars who followed them, and would be considered as one of the ignorant.

(4) Common sense indicates the importance of the Sunnah.

The fact that the Prophet (peace be upon him) is the Messenger of Allaah indicates that we must believe everything he said and obey every command he gave. It goes without saying that he has told us things and given instructions in addition to what is in the Qur’aan. It is futile to make a distinction between the Sunnah and the Qur’aan when it comes to adhering to it and responding to it. It is obligatory to believe in what he has told us, and to obey his instructions.

The ruling concerning those who deny the importance of the Sunnah is that they are kaafirs, because they deny and reject a well-known and undeniable part of the religion.

As regards your second question, about whether a Muslim is required to follow a particular madhhab, the answer is that he does not have to. For the average “rank and file” Muslim, his madhhab is that of his mufti or the scholar whom he consults for religious verdicts; he must ask those pious scholars whom he trusts for opinions when necessary. If a person has enough knowledge to distinguish which evidence and opinion is stronger, then he must follow the scholarly opinion which has the strongest support from the Qur’an and Sunnah. It is acceptable for a Muslim to follow one of the four well-known madhhabs, on the condition that he understands that the truth in any given issue may lie with another madhhab, in which case he must ignore his own madhhab’s opinion and follow the truth. The Muslim’s aim is to follow the truth that is in accordance with the Qur’an and Sunnah. The madhhabs of fiqh are only a means of reaching ahkaam (rules) based on the Qur’aan and Sunnah, they are not Qur’aan and Sunnah.

We ask Allaah to show us the truth and help us to follow it, and to show us falsehood and help us to avoid it. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.


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