Breaking news: Israel plans to invade gaza officialy now

[Jedi_Mindset]

After killing one of hamas top commanders israel is launching frequent airstrikes now in the Gaza strip, and if sending troops to the border, which means that there is a chance that we might see a new invasion soon. Hamas said that it is in open-war with israel and promised to open the gates of hell now for the zionists insha'Allah

Israel Kills Hamas Commander in Airstrike, Considers Ground Invasion of Gaza

Israeli Brigadier-General Yoav Mordechai said preparations are being made and "the option of a entry by ground is available."


Israel killed the military commander of Hamas in an airstrike on the Gaza Strip on Wednesday following days of exchanging fire in a confrontation that could lead Israel to invade the Palestinian enclave.

The attack, which represented a restart of Israel’s campaign of targeted assassinations in Gaza, came despite the fact that Hamas proposed a ceasefire days ago and despite signs that Egypt had managed to broker a truce. Israel ignored both overtures.
This latest surge of violence between Israel and Gaza militants occurred after Israel shot and killed at least two Gazans and intruded into Gaza with tanks and bulldozers. In response, Gaza militants fired a missile at an Israeli army jeep, wounding four soldiers – to which Israel responded with an extended bombardment of airstrikes that killed at least 7 people and wounded dozens. Hamas then began firing missiles into southern Israel.
The Israeli leadership is now reportedly considering an expanded war with Gaza, potentially including a ground invasion.
“The days we face in the south will, in my estimation, prove protracted,” Brigadier-General Yoav Mordechai told Israeli media. ”There are preparations, and if we are required to, the option of a entry by ground is available.”
Hamas confirmed that Ahmed Al-Jaabari, who ran the organization’s armed wing, was killed along with a passenger after their car was hit by an Israeli missile. Israel’s Shin Bet domestic intelligence service the killing was because of his “decade-long terrorist activity”.
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/11/14/i...asion-of-gaza/

[sister herb]

Seven Palestinians including an 11-month-old baby killed so far by Israeli airstrikes against Gaza this evening

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/

[جوري]

Yes Egypt has pulled its ambassador and the zionists proclaim that strikes came from Sinai but I am pretty sure they did it to pull us into something, at any rate they killed the Hamas leader, Allah yer7amo.. I saw his two young daughters, two beautiful girls are now orphaned =( and I saw the air strikes on civilians live seven more have been killed.. I don't know if we're prepared for this, forty years under mubarak have turned Egyptians into sitting ducks, although I guarantee that 99% of Egypt considers Israel the enemy...

may Allah swt hasten the demise of the colonial settler state.. Let's turn to Allah swt and pray and supplicate.
make us steadfast against the enemy of Allah and grant us victory and our land back and people into safety .. ameen ya rabb ameen thoumma ameen

[sister herb]

New Israeli Military Escalation against the Gaza Strip; Leader of Hamas’ Armed Wing and His Bodyguard Extra-Judicially Executed and Death Toll in Rises to 13, Including Two Children and a Woman, While 115 Civilian, Including 26 Children and 25 Women, Woun










Thursday, 15 November 2012 00:00





Ref: 124/2012





Since Wednesday evening, 14 November 2012, Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) have escalated military attacks on the Gaza Strip. They first extra-judicially executed the leader of the Izziddin al-Qassam Brigades (the armed wing of Hamas) and his bodyguard. This attack was followed by a series of aerial, ground and sea attacks on civilian and paramilitary targets throughout the Gaza Strip. As a result of these attacks, 11 Palestinians, including 4 civilians (two children, a woman and an old man) have been killed and 115 others, including 26 children and 25 women, have been wounded. IOF have escalated the situation in spite of the quiet atmosphere that followed a previous wave of escalation. The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) is following up developments of this new offensive on the Gaza Strip.



According to investigations conducted by PCHR, at approximately 15:45 on Wednesday, 14 November 2012, an Israeli fighter jet fired a missile at a civilian car, a grey Kia, which was traveling near the Public Service Hospital in Gaza City. The leader of the Izziddin al-Qassam Brigades (the armed wing of Hamas), Ahmed Saeed Khalil al-Jaabari, 52, and his bodyguard, Mohammed Hamed Subhi al-Hams, 28, were traveling in the area. The car was completely destroyed and al-Jaabari and his bodyguard were killed. A number of nearby houses were also damaged.



Half an hour later, an Israeli warplane fired 3 missiles at a house belonging to Salah Jalal Arafat in al-Zaytoun neighborhood in the east of Gaza City. The house and a neighboring one belonging to Arafat’s brother were destroyed. One of Arafat’s children, 5-year-old Ranana, was killed and another two children and two women were wounded.



At the same time, an Israeli warplane fired a missile at a house belonging to Ali Nemer al-Masharawi in al-Zaytoun neighborhood in the east of Gaza City. Two members of the family (a woman and a toddler) were killed: Hiba Aadel Fadel al-Masharawi, 19, and Omar Jihad al-Masharawi, 11 months. Additionally, a child from the same family was wounded.



At approximately 19:30, an Israeli warplane fired a missile at a house belonging to Rasheed Abu Shibak in Tal al-Hawa neighborhood in the south of Gaza City. The house and nearby houses were heavily damaged and 18 Palestinian civilians were wounded.



Later, IOF launched a series of airstrikes at various areas in Gaza City, wounding 31 Palestinian civilians, including 8 women and 16 children.



In the northern Gaza Strip, IOF have launched 42 airstrikes, most of which have targeted space areas, training sites, populated areas and members of the Palestinian resistance. As a result of these attacks, two members of the Palestinian resistance have been killed while they were traveling on a motorcycle: Essam Mahmoud Ahmed Abu al-Meiza, 19; and Mohammed Ibrahim Hani al-Kaseeh, 18. At the time of writing this press release, at approximately 11:40, an Israeli warplane fired a missile at a group of the Palestinian resistance in the southeast of Beit Lahia, killing two members of the group: Rani Mahmoud Hammad, 33; and Khaled Abdul Rahman Abu al-Nasser, 27. A third member was also wounded. Additionally, 49 Palestinian civilians, including 13 children and 11 women, have been wounded, one of them is in a serious condition. Seven of the wounded, including 4 women and a child, were wounded while they were inside their house which was destroyed when a missile landed near it in Beit Lahia. Dozens of houses have been also damaged.



In the central Gaza Strip, IOF launched 12 airstrikes targeting agricultural areas and training sites. As a result of these attacks, an old man, Mahmoud Hamad Mahmoud Abu Sawawin, 61, was killed by shrapnel throughout the body, and his two sons were wounded while they were on their agricultural plot adjacent to a country house that was bombarded by IOF in al-Nussairat refugee camp. Additionally, 3 civilians, including a woman, were injured. In other attacks, 3 civilians, including a woman and her child, were wounded in the east of al-Boreij refugee camp.



In Khan Yunis, IOF have launched 11 airstrikes and two artillery shelling attacks targeting space areas and sites of the Izziddin al-Qassam Brigades. As a result of these attacks, 3 members of the Palestinian resistance were killed in al-Manara neighborhood in the south of the town: Habes Hassan Awadh Mismeh, 29; Wael Haidar Saeed al-Ghalban, 26; and Hisham Mohammed Ahmed al-Ghalban, 26. Additionally, 3 Palestinian civilians, including a woman and two children, were wounded while they were near their houses in al-Qarara village, northeast of Khan Yunis.



In Rafah, IOF have launched 10 airstrikes targeting space areas located near houses. They have also shelled Gaza International Airport, southeast of the town. As a result of these attacks, a woman and a child were wounded while they were inside their houses in the south of the town.



PCHR reiterates condemnation and expresses utmost concern for these crimes, and

1- Warn of deterioration of the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip in light of this new Israeli military escalation and the tightened closure.

2- Calls upon the international community to act immediately to stop these crimes, and renews the call to the High Contracting Parties of the Fourth Geneva Convention to fulfill their obligation under Article 1 of the Convention to ensure that it is respected at all times, and their responsibilities under Article 146 to pursue perpetrators of serious violations of the Convention, which are determined in Article 147, which lists violations of the Convention amounting to war crimes.

http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/in...ncluding-two-c

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[جوري]

This will spell the beginning of the end for Israel in shaa Allah- I don't think anyone buys into their bull anymore. Die hard secularists in Egypt are already calling for severing ties and others an actual war against them!
My only concern is how prepared the ummah is but the only thing they can bank on now at least is that Israel has been calling of bluff of late threatening here and there but not able to carry through the attacks they desire, they're given to self-aggrandizement- but the U.S has its own troubles and I doubt very much they'll come to their aid now!
I am glad the U.S funneled all that money there, it will be nice when we inherit it all in shaa Allah.

[Jedi_Mindset]

''Netanyahu hides in bunker as Gaza rockets rain on Israel''
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11/15/272471/israels-netanyahu-hides-in-bunker/

Tell Aviv under siege also

[Jedi_Mindset]

[Jedi_Mindset]

Israeli Defense Minister approves summons of 30,000 soldiers for Gaza operation - report

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak has reportedly approved the summons of 30,000 reserve soldiers. The troops can be called into action by the military at any point, an IDF spokesman told Israel’s Channel 2 TV, as quoted by AFP.
Brigadier General Yoav Mordechai said the army was in the process of expanding the Gaza operation.

"The defense minister approved a few minutes ago, based on the army's request, the recruitment of another 30,000 soldiers. We will determine how many of them will be called in…all options are on the table," he said.
Some of those called up would be dispatched to replace existing units in their routine duties.
According to Mordechai, the army plans to continue its attacks on terror targets in Gaza until the operation’s goals are met. He added that it was “far too early to talk about a ceasefire.”
The news came after two rockets landed in the greater Tel Aviv area on Thursday.

Hamas and Israel have exchanged fire for two days, after Israel launched a strike against Gaza on Wednesday, killing the commander of the Hamas military wing.
Fire continues to be launched from each side, resulting in numerous casualties.

Three people have been killed and several dozens injured in Israel while in Gaza, at least 13 people have been killed and over 100 injured.

http://rt.com/news/reserve-soldiers-israel-gaza-805/

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

I know how this goes. When zionists kill more and more Palestinians, resistance gets more members.

[Jedi_Mindset]

Salam alaykum

I know how this goes. When zionists kill more and more Palestinians, resistance gets more members.

True, however when are islamic scholars gonna talk about this issue, especially in the west? The muslim youth are more and more focussed into mobiles, games, computers and not on their deen. I can talk what i want but this problem will not get solved in the west.

Men today have become women. (not in a disciminating manner, but its true). Its not good to be in a emotional state now, but who wouldnt when he sees this slaughtering, this genocide, by seeing that it burns my heart, from anger.

We need to repent, ask God for forgiveness and make dua for the oppressed around the world. Make dua for the palestinians, that Allah will grant them victory very soon insha'Allah

[جوري]

Israeli Defense Minister approves summons of 30,000 soldiers for Gaza operation

He's calling bluff- you should read the terms of the so-called peace agreement .. to send soldiers out especially by foot will spell the end of something, the friendly regimes that existed in the region and looked the other way no longer exist!

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Not again :(

One way of looking at the unfolding conflict

Steve Bell on Tony Blair and William Hague's role in Israel-Gaza clash

An update on what its like to live in Gaza

World-renowned political dissident, linguist, author and MIT professor Noam Chomsky joins us to discuss his recent trip to the Gaza Strip, where he publicly called on Israel to put an end to the blockade on the Hamas-ruled coastal enclave. "[Gaza] is a lesson for people from the West," Chomsky says. "If they can struggle on under really harsh and brutal conditions, it tells us we ought to be doing a lot more."

[CosmicPathos]

True, however when are islamic scholars gonna talk about this issue, especially in the west? The muslim youth are more and more focussed into mobiles, games, computers and not on their deen. I can talk what i want but this problem will not get solved in the west.

when you have secularists in your countries back home, you dont feel like fighting for that country or siding with it.

[جوري]

when you have secularists in your countries back home, you dont feel like fighting for that country or siding with it.

Why let the secularists win? They're only a vocal minority!

[CosmicPathos]

Why let the secularists win? They're only a vocal minority!

I really do not know the situation in Egypt but in Pakistan people are already culturally Muslim and the secular-minded young ppl are increasing as traditional elder are dying off and rotting away in graves.

Of course I hate Israel because Muslims are being killed. But at the same time, I do not join hands-in with countries back home which collect ppl under the banner of some patriotism or humanism against Israel.

But good point, Ill think about it. Why let them win!

[جوري]

But good point, Ill think about it. Why let them win!

It is up to us to undo all the damage of our parent's generation and I think with Pakistan they need something, I really don't know what it is, but look at Syria it was awful by testimony of many Syrians, wh0res, drugs things I refused to believe about them and look at them now sob7an Allah, mild mannered traders and merchants holding up arms, everyone one of them is now a soldier. Israel has only to fear a country of soldiers and that's why they're like a wounded monster shooting here and there and being loud, because they're frightened little cockroaches who know that they've positively no legitimacy in the region, political or biblical and slowly finding themselves in a very hostile region surrounded by folks who are prepared to battle to the death.. at least it is my hope..

[Mustafa2012]

:salamext:

With all due respect to everyone affected by the recent attack I don't think the Palestinians are ready for an Israeli attack right now and not for quite some time.

Let's face it. As much as we want to see them get back their rights, they weren't ready back in 2008/09 and still aren't. They took heavy losses to lives and infrastructure back then.

I don't understand why they are sending rockets into Israel when they don't have the capabilities, resources and support of the Arab world to defend themselves against Israel and their supporters in the West.

It would make more sense to lay low and build up strength than to temporarily fire rockets into areas which don't even seem to be doing much damage.

[جوري]

I don't understand why they are sending rockets into Israel when they don't have the capabilities, resources and support of the Arab world to defend themselves against Israel and their supporters in the West.

You're wrong, firstly even though they took hits before it didn't kill them and HizbuAllah even though I despise them engaged in a 21 day war and proved Israel for the non-entity that it is.
Secondly Hamas killed three Israelis with its rockets today, the border with Egypt is now open to them where it was closed before, the Amir of Qatar just gave them a billion, and let's face it, they've been preparing for this for 60+ years.
They're not cowards and martyrdom will happen, but now is the time to rise..

Do reflect on this verse:

Al-Baqara (The Cow) [2:249]

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Falamma fasala talootu bialjunoodi qala inna Allaha mubtaleekum binaharin faman shariba minhu falaysa minnee waman lam yatAAamhu fainnahu minnee illa mani ightarafa ghurfatan biyadihi fashariboo minhu illa qaleelan minhum falamma jawazahu huwa waallatheena amanoo maAAahu qaloo la taqata lana alyawma bijaloota wajunoodihi qala allatheena yathunnoona annahum mulaqoo Allahi kam min fiatin qaleelatin ghalabat fiatan katheeratan biithni Allahi waAllahu maAAa alssabireena

2:249 When Talut set forth with the armies, he said: "(Allah) will test you at the stream: if any drinks of its water, He goes not with my army: Only those who taste not of it go with me: A mere sip out of the hand is excused." but they all drank of it, except a few. When they crossed the river,- He and the faithful ones with him,- they said: "This day We cannot cope with Goliath and his forces." but those who were convinced that they must meet Allah, said: "How oft, by Allah's will, Hath a small force vanquished a big one? Allah is with those who steadfastly persevere."

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Wala tahinoo fee ibtighai alqawmi in takoonoo talamoona fainnahum yalamoona kama talamoona watarjoona mina Allahi ma la yarjoona wakana Allahu AAaleeman hakeeman

4:104 And slacken not in following up the enemy: If ye are suffering hardships, they are suffering similar hardships; but ye have Hope from Allah, while they have none. And Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.

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[islamica]

It is up to us to undo all the damage of our parent's generation and I think with Pakistan they need something, I really don't know what it is..

Pakistan used to be a large middle class country where there was peace for the most part. That was over 2 decades ago. Today there is much chaos and blood shed with indian and cia terrorist infested everywhere causing turmoil. The nation is also being divided between the religiously conservative and secular modernists. Allah is dividing the group so there is a distinct line between the believers and the hypocrites. Either it will get so worst that a revolution will take place or propaganda like that of malala' shooting will make pak military to attack wazirastan with pressure from the US. also future attack on iran will give rise to the khorosan army with black turbans, fullfilling another prophecy and paving the wave of mahdi to appear shortly after. anyways, back on topic...



Timeline: Israel's Latest Escalation in Gaza





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Al-Awda The Palestine Right to Return Coalition calls on its members and all supporting organizations and individuals to organize demonstrations in front of Israeli Embassies and Consulates, Federal and other locations to demand an end to the ongoing Israeli aggression and siege of the Gaza Strip. On November 9, 2012 Israel's army killed a teenage child playing soccer in Gaza and then launched an unprovoked bombardment of the Gaza strip which killed seven Palestinians and injured more than 40, and to which the resistance responded. Subsequent Israeli attacks led to more deaths and injuries and culminated today in the assassination of Ahmed Jabri, second in command of Military Wing of Hamas and nine other people throughout Gaza. Further, Israel formally announced that it has launched a ground invasion of the Gaza strip, saying they'll be in Tal Alhawa within 24 hours. This is an area in the middle of densely populated Gaza City.

We call on all people of conscience to organize emergency demonstrations and demand Israel immediately stop its attacks on Gaza. We also demand that the Israeli and Egyptian governments immediately END THE SIEGE OF THE GAZA STRIP and grant immediate access to all food, humanitarian and medical relief supplies without restriction. The strip is home to 1.5 million Palestinians, 80% of whom are refugees denied by the Zionist state the right to return to their homes and lands of origin from which they were expelled by the Zionist occupation in 1948 and thereafter. Nearly half of the Gaza population are children who along with the elderly and ill remain completely deprived of food, water, fuel, electricity, humanitarian relief and medical supplies or facilities.For demonstration in Los Angeles Please join us Thursday November 15 @ 4 PM in front of the "Israeli" consulate, 11766 WILSHIRE BLVD, Los Angeles, CA 90025. For further information or to endorse, contact: Mazen Al-Moukdad mazenalmoukdad@hotmail.com and Amani Barakat: amanibarakat@gmail.com

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Call your representative to demand an immediate halt of aggression on Gaza.(PALOS HILLS, IL 11/14/2012) – AMP condemns the recent attacks on Gaza which claims, so far, at least 7 deaths including an eleven-month-old infant a six-year-old child in addition to dozens of injuries including many children. AMP calls for an immediate halt of the attacks.

AMP believes that the occupation leaders are using Palestinian blood for election purposes. Each time the political climate in Israel reaches a dead end Israeli officials attack Palestinians for political gain in hopes of swaying the Israeli voter.
The Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was unhappy with the outcome of the election in the US as he clearly and openly supported Governor Mitt Romney in the last election. As such, this recent assault attempts to cause disturbances for the Obama administration after the recent elections.

“All of these actions prove Israel does not want peace, and furthermore, is intent on causing instability, especially after the region underwent various uprisings that have resulted in democratically elected governments.” Said Dr. Hatem Bazian, AMP Chairman. “These attacks are an attempt to corner the newly appointed governments and test their position toward the struggle in the Middle East.

Israel is not, nor has ever been interested in achieving peace with the Palestinians. Rather, the Zionist apartheid state is intent on waging war in efforts to continue its policy of the ethnic cleansing and the transfer of the Palestinian people out of their homes.

AMP firmly believes withholding more than $3 billion in the U.S. foreign aid is the only way to force Israel into compliance with international humanitarian and civil laws.

TAKE ACTION
Be firm, but polite, call your representative and the State Dept. demand that our government:
• Pressure Israel to put an immediate halt on the aggression on Gaza
• Withhold US aid to Israel

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• Find your elected officials online


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[جوري]

will take place or propaganda like that of malala' shooting

Where were you when we closed two threads down..
you know what this tells me? That people aren't the sheeple that the media portrays as a majority to make the rest of us feel like conspiracy theorists. Not that I personally care who brands whom with what but it is nice not to be a solitary island, that the majority actually think and believe and know as we do but are incapable or simply have given up on being the change.

I may not see it crystalized in my mind with all the chaos that is going on but you know what, neither the Pharaoh, nor Aad nor Thamud nor ashab Ar'ras or others like them were destroyed by a powerful empire, they were destroyed by the will of Allah swt, so long as we make our intentions pure and strive.. but we can't simply say what can we do, or no the Gazans should take all the hits and shut up or Egypt should honor its peace treaty after the spawn of Satan murder 6 Egyptian soldiers breaking their fast in Ramadan!

So I really think the time is now. Nations like Iran may talk the talk but we fight the fight!
We should never wish for war or meeting the enemy but when it happens we must be steadfast!

[islamica]

Where were you when we closed two threads down..

I try to avoid politics as it gets ugly :)

So I really think the time is now. Nations like Iran may talk the talk but we fight the fight!
We should never wish for war or meeting the enemy but when it happens we must be steadfast!

I agree. What I meant was that all these escalations are just the precursors to what will really happen and with the increasing of these events, it seems the kuffar are in a hurry to bring their own demise.

[جوري]

I try to avoid politics as it gets ugly

The secret I found is that every time it gets really heated and ugly and I gauge it, I come out learning something new and it goes into my armamentarium for the next thing.. for what it is worth I am very glad to have you here :D

I agree. What I meant was that all these escalations are just the precursors to what will really happen and with the increasing of these events, it seems the kuffar are in a hurry to bring their own demise.

May Allah swt hasten their demise and make us steadfast.. We've been through worse, Shiites inside during the Fatimid, Hulago on one side and the crusades on the other.. we may not have another Salah Ad'din but we should all strive to be that not wait for one brave soul from our midst to unite us. I believe whole heartedly that Allah swt will take care of the rest.. Look how a hurricane crippled us for nearly three weeks.

[CosmicPathos]

I agree. What I meant was that all these escalations are just the precursors to what will really happen and with the increasing of these events, it seems the kuffar are in a hurry to bring their own demise.

This is an interesting way to look at it. I guess it means I should stop taking it personally and stop being cynical of Pakistanis! Things are happening in this country exactly as Allah swt wants them to, what is there to be worried/sad/downcast about!

Recently a man was given death penalty by the court and which was carried out. Newspaper in whole country are publishing editorials opining to ban death penalty and calling it a draconian law!

[ابن آل مرة]

This will spell the beginning of the end for Israel in shaa Allah- I don't think anyone buys into their bull anymore. Die hard secularists in Egypt are already calling for severing ties and others an actual war against them!
My only concern is how prepared the ummah is but the only thing they can bank on now at least is that Israel has been calling of bluff of late threatening here and there but not able to carry through the attacks they desire, they're given to self-aggrandizement- but the U.S has its own troubles and I doubt very much they'll come to their aid now!
I am glad the U.S funneled all that money there, it will be nice when we inherit it all in shaa Allah.

Al-salam 'alaykum sister,

Are you sure about the secularists calling for severing ties? Last I know that they are very against Brother Mursi (May Allah preserve him) and the whole new government there in Egypt.

Also I heard some rumors about Egypt moving tanks into Sinai desert and Israel warning them to pull them out. In sha Allah this is the beginning of the end of Israel like you said, and it's funny how they bring destruction upon themselves. May Allah accept the dead as Shuhada`a and put terror into hearts of enemies of Islam.

But we have to always remember that Allah Jal wa'ala will not change the state of the Ummah until we change ourselves.

[sister herb]

http://electronicintifada.net/conten...cks-gaza/11889

[glo]

Here is a report from Physicians for Human Rights-Israel:

Out of concern for the repercussions of another military attack and for the wellbeing of numerous potential victims in both Israel and Gaza, we strongly urge you to refrain from further violence, to desist from an attack on the residents of the Gaza strip, and to avoid another operation like "Cast Lead." The safety and welfare of both residents of Gaza and citizens of Israel and Gaza are in your hands.

A sustainable solution to the current conflict rests first and foremost on the understanding that the freedom and safety of the residents of southern Israel are inextricable linked with that of the residents of Gaza.

The past has taught us that military assaults of this kind lead only to further distress. True concern for fate of residents of southern Israel has little to do with another military attack, whose timing, just before elections, raises concern that the lives of residents of Gaza and southern Israel are of little value and have become an empty tool within a cynical political arena. The state's responsibility towards its citizens is not only to embark on a military attack, but also to present a real vision for equality, peace and justice. Sadly, in the absence of such a vision, all that is left is an empty show of force.

Physicians for Human Rights-Israel (PHR-Israel) is a non-profit, non-governmental organization that strives to promote a more fair and inclusive society in which the right to health is applied equally for all. It is PHR-Israel’s view that Israel’s prolonged occupation over Palestinian territory is the basis of human rights violations. For this reason we oppose the occupation and endeavor to put an end to it. PHR-Israel stands at the forefront of the struggle for human rights – the right to health particularly - in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory.

[Roasted Cashew]

or propaganda like that of malala' shooting will make pak military to attack wazirastan with pressure from the US.

So if this was a propaganda?? Where is the military operation? Has it taken place? The interior ministry has clearly declared that the operation is not an option right now. US will not a favour an operation at this time around as they are trying to pull out in the near future. Any operation in Waziristan will only escalate the insurgency in Afghanistan. When Muslims and Pakistanis open up their eyes and accept that their are INDEED terrorists that claim to be Muslims, that they exist!!! and not everything is a conspiracy, maybe then we will be able to sit down and plan how to get out of this mess that we are in.

[جوري]

Here is a report from Physicians for Human Rights-Israel:

yeah that matters- they're bombing homes, schools and mosques and proclaim it's where Hamas hides their weapon - such cowards may Allah swt hasten Israel's demise and bring an end to their tyranny bequeath the land to its rightful owners his righteous servants!

[جوري]

Al-salam 'alaykum sister,

Are you sure about the secularists calling for severing ties? Last I know that they are very against Brother Mursi (May Allah preserve him) and the whole new government there in Egypt.

Also I heard some rumors about Egypt moving tanks into Sinai desert and Israel warning them to pull them out. In sha Allah this is the beginning of the end of Israel like you said, and it's funny how they bring destruction upon themselves. May Allah accept the dead as Shuhada`a and put terror into hearts of enemies of Islam.

But we have to always remember that Allah Jal wa'ala will not change the state of the Ummah until we change ourselves.

Yes akhi,

Even drunks like Amr Musa and brown nosers like el baradi are!
Only person who's upset is the Egyptian ambassador to Israel - he's a disgusting vile piece of crap but no one cares.
The enemies won't slacken inside of Egypt or on the outside but we must stand our ground!
Mursi wouldn't have won if the will of the people wanted differently but as I said liberals and secularists are heavily endorsed and they own much if what matters so they can fashion much if what you read to echo western sensibilities - look at all the change around you and don't be a skeptic just because the khubathaa are loud and vocal doesn't mean they wield any will power they cower under their rocks when push comes to shove!
Now is the time to put your all into du3a for Nasr and fathh in shaa Allah

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

I asked some years ago from Gaza (can´t tell from who) why most your missiles land to empty areas.

Answer was: "We are muslims, we don´t want to kill any innocent civilian. We try to avoid to kill any kid or old or woman. We are not as zionists. We hit only to soldiers. If possible."

Spokesman of Alqassam Brigades told that missiles to "Tel Aviv" Tel-Rabii by its real name were just warning to zionists.

[جوري]

Zionist labels are irrelevant .. as irrelevant as main stream media which is the Zionist mouth piece. Yesterday the 'Israel's warning to terrorists' was the first bit of new so I turned it off!

[جوري]

Al Qasaam brought down an Israeli F-16, no word from the Zionist side yet..

[Mustafa2012]

You're wrong, firstly even though they took hits before it didn't kill them and HizbuAllah even though I despise them engaged in a 21 day war and proved Israel for the non-entity that it is.
Secondly Hamas killed three Israelis with its rockets today, the border with Egypt is now open to them where it was closed before, the Amir of Qatar just gave them a billion, and let's face it, they've been preparing for this for 60+ years.
They're not cowards and martyrdom will happen, but now is the time to rise..

:w:

I'm all for patriotism and supporting our fellow brothers and sisters but you also have to be realistic. This resistance is not just about acting on emotion.

I don't question or doubt any of the ayaat of the Qur'aan but let's look at the facts on the ground.

Hizbullaah are much more organized and have better resources than the Palestinians. As a result they were able to inflict much more damage than the Palestinians have done so far.

Ok so Hamas killed 3 Israelis but the Israeli's have killed 25 Palestinians so far including so senior Hamas members?

And how many of the senior Israeli army have they managed to target?

Ok so the Amir of Qatar has pledged his support. That doesn't mean anything. They still need more manpower and support from the other arab countries as well as finances right now. That's one area where they're lacking.

The other area is that they are not very organized. You've got various groups acting independently which are not working together with Hamas. Until they work together they are not going to be a force to be reckoned with.

[Jedi_Mindset]

Strange?

Russia will back Egyptian efforts to end Israeli aggression: Putin

Russian President Vladimir Putin says his country will back Egyptian efforts to put an end to the Israeli aggression in the besieged Gaza Strip.


In a telephone conversation with Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi on Friday, Putin said Russia planned to support Cairo's efforts directed at normalizing the situation in the Palestinian territory, the Kremlin said in a statement.

The remarks come after Egypt’s Prime Minister Hisham Qandil visited the Gaza Strip on Friday, where he urged the world leaders to stop Tel Aviv’s attacks.

Qandil promised to intensify Egypt’s efforts to “stop this aggression and achieve a lasting truce."

On Thursday, President Morsi also condemned the Israeli aggression as "unacceptable" and warned it could lead to instability in the region.

Some 25 people have been killed and more than 160 others injured in the new wave of attacks since November 14.

The Israeli regime frequently carries out airstrikes and other attacks on the Gaza Strip, saying the acts of aggression are being conducted for defensive purposes. However, in violation of international law, disproportionate force is always used and civilians are often killed or injured.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11...-israel-putin/

[جوري]

Hizbullaah are much more organized and have better resources than the Palestinians.

They're not, and their heart isn't in the right place. Follow the news now akhi, already they downed an unmanned plane yesterday and an F-16 today. It is time to resit it isn't about who has more what neither is it about 'patriotism' that's nothing to do with it, it is about what is just and right!
You should also read a little about the failed assassination of Mish3il and how the two Zionist pigs were captured. They're full of hot air, enough of this unwarranted fear!

Strange?

Russia will back Egyptian efforts to end Israeli aggression

Not strange, Russia is fast losing 'allies' in the region it just wants to call dibs on something.. the west is slowly diminishing its grip, Zionists have driven them all to hell mostly in the form of bankruptcy whether ideological or financial!

[Mustafa2012]

They're not, and their heart isn't in the right place. Follow the news now akhi, already they downed an unmanned plane yesterday and an F-16 today. It is time to resit it isn't about who has more what neither is it about 'patriotism' that's nothing to do with it, it is about what is just and right!
You should also read a little about the failed assassination of Mish3il and how the two Zionist pigs were captured. They're full of hot air, enough of this unwarranted fear!

I know the Hizbullaah aren't sunni but the facts speak for themselves. They inflicted much more damage to the Israeli's than the Palestinians have ever done.

I read about the attempt on Meshaal but that was very close. A bit too close actually. :alhamd: Had it not been for their quick thinking the Israeli's would have been successful.

Don't get me wrong. I would love nothing more than to see the Palestinians get justice. May Allaah grant them victory!

But right now, they're just not ready for it, not organized enough and they don't have the support of the rest of the Muslim world.

Let's see what happens when Israel sends in their ground troops...

[Roasted Cashew]

don't have the support of the rest of the Muslim world.

The rest of the Muslim world couldn't care less about Syrian massacres.. let alone this age old conflict. Thousand of fellow Muslims(elderly, women, children) are dead in Syria but do you see any large scale protests in any of the Muslim countries like there were for some stupid cartoons? Nah, screw the killing. We got better things to do like translating some stupid movie into Arabic and then going ape-**** about it. :hiding:

[Roasted Cashew]

But right now, they're just not ready for it, not organized enough

True Indeed.

Let's see what happens when Israel sends in their ground troops...

They are gonna get a real bad ass whopping, that's what's gonna happen. Primitive rockets vs IDF...it's a no brainer. Yet, there is a side of me hoping for some miracle to happen that these IDFs get a real real bad beat down...Ya Allah, give guidance to both sides and let justice prevail.

[sister herb]

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m92702&hd=&size=1&l=e

My heart is too broken to send here pictures. I only hope to lay in the darkness!

:heated:

[جوري]

I read about the attempt on Meshaal but that was very close. A bit too close actually. Had it not been for their quick thinking the Israeli's would have been successful.

Wars make men out of boys, you don't know the state of their readiness as I have already stated their rockets reached Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and they downed an F-16 today the only folks who aren't ready are those at home who don't want to be a part of a solution- and I hope you won't join the ranks of the shill cashew!
He can go cower somewhere!

:w:

:w:

[Mustafa2012]

Allaah knows best!

[جوري]

Al-Imran (The Family of Imran)[3:175]

[RECITE]

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Innama thalikumu alshshaytanu yukhawwifu awliyaahu fala takhafoohum wakhafooni in kuntum mumineena

3:175 It is only the Evil One that suggests to you the fear of his votaries: Be ye not afraid of them, but fear Me, if ye have Faith.

indeed Allah swt knows best, but we have to do our part, and those who can do nothing but mock any effort and are frightened little cowards need to shut up and get back to their hole!

[سيف الله]

Salaam

I'm all for patriotism and supporting our fellow brothers and sisters but you also have to be realistic. This resistance is not just about acting on emotion.

I don't question or doubt any of the ayaat of the Qur'aan but let's look at the facts on the ground.

Hizbullaah are much more organized and have better resources than the Palestinians. As a result they were able to inflict much more damage than the Palestinians have done so far.

Ok so Hamas killed 3 Israelis but the Israeli's have killed 25 Palestinians so far including so senior Hamas members?

And how many of the senior Israeli army have they managed to target?

Ok so the Amir of Qatar has pledged his support. That doesn't mean anything. They still need more manpower and support from the other arab countries as well as finances right now. That's one area where they're lacking.

The other area is that they are not very organized. You've got various groups acting independently which are not working together with Hamas. Until they work together they are not going to be a force to be reckoned with.

This is really poor analysis. In fact its dreadful.

Look at the two sides. How on earth can you compare them?

Israel the 4th (or 5th?) most powerful army in the world, has access the most sophisticated weaponry imaginable (mainly American) and has spent decades perfecting the art of torturing and humiliating the Palestinian people. Not to mention its access to resources and its backing by western powers.

Contrast this with the people of the Gaza strip. Due to the Israeli occupation it has become one of the poorest and densely populated areas on earth. And contrary to the usual deceit it is still under occupation. Israel controls its borders, its seas and its airspace. It tightly controls what goes in and out. If you want a simple example of how depraved they are at trying to control the Gazans try this article

Israel used 'calorie count' to limit Gaza food during blockade, critics claim

Defence ministry files on 'avoiding' civilian malnutrition are proof Israel used food restrictions to hit Hamas, says Palestine group

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...rie-limit-gaza

So its sealed shut, Gazans can’t develop their economy because they have severely limited access to the outside world. This isn’t helped by the regular bombardment from sea, air, land from the Israeli army almost terminally damaging any attempts to develop the economy, or for people to lead semi decent existence. To top it off they assassinate whoever they find inconvenient whenever they like regardless of the circumstances.

Now remember why Hamas came to power in Gaza, (US backed) Fatah launched a coup to remove Hamas. Didn’t turn out how they wanted and Hamas countered taking control of Gaza. Then the whole strip was put under siege, backed by Western powers and Mubarak.

So under the circumstance that they are in

How on earth are they meant to survive? Let alone build up their economy and military of the Gaza strip that is (a) under blockade and (b) regularly attacked by the Israeli army.

How on earth do you expect them to match Israel’s military might, that's an insane question to ask. Given the disparity between the two sides I just cannot understand how you can even contemplate this question

And you cant compare Hamas with Hezbollah, Hezbollah have had decades of experience fighting the Israel occupation of southern Lebanon and had far, far more favourable circumstances than the people of Gaza. (eg. Freedom of movement, ability to build infrastructure economy, access to the outside world, access to weaponry etc)

Its amazing that the people of Gaza and the Hamas government have survived this long and should be an inspiration to all, that despite the horrendous punishment they are taking they still exist.

That’s what matters.

On a personal note it’s very disappointing that Muslims brothers and sisters have attitudes displayed in the above quote, if we are to get anywhere we have to do better.

[سيف الله]

Salaam

This is relevant

Who is doing the killing in Gaza? Noam Chomsky and others challenge world's media

The degree of terror felt by ordinary Palestinian civilians in Gaza is barely noticed in the media, in stark contrast to the world's awareness of terrorised and shock-treated Israeli citizens.

WHILE COUNTRIES across Europe and North America commemorated military casualties of past and present wars on November 11, Israel was targeting civilians.

On November 12, waking up to a new week, readers at breakfast were flooded with heart rending accounts of past and current military casualties.

There was, however, no or little mention of the fact that the majority of casualties of modern day wars are civilians.

There was also hardly any mention on the morning of November 12 of military attacks on Gaza that continued throughout the weekend.

A cursory scan confirms this for Canada's CBC, Globe and Mail, Montreal's Gazette, and the Toronto Star. Equally, for the New York Times and for the BBC.

According to the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) report on Sunday November 11, five Palestinian civilians including three children had been killed in the Gaza strip in the previous 72 hours, in addition to two Palestinian security personnel. Four of the deaths occurred as a result of Israeli military firing artillery shells on youngsters playing soccer. Moreover, 52 civilians had been wounded, of which six were women and 12 were children. (Since we began composing this text, the Palestinian death toll has risen, and continues to rise.)

Articles that do report on the killings overwhelmingly focus on the killing of Palestinian security personnel. For example, an Associated Press article published in the CBC world news on November 13, entitled 'Israel mulls resuming targeted killings of Gaza militants,' mentions absolutely nothing of civilian deaths and injuries. It portrays the killings as 'targeted assassinations.' The fact that casualties have overwhelmingly been civilians indicates that Israel is not so much engaged in "targeted" killings, as in "collective" killings, thus once again committing the crime of collective punishment.

Another AP item on CBC news from November 12 reads 'Gaza rocket fire raises pressure on Israel government.' It features a photo of an Israeli woman gazing on a hole in her living room ceiling. Again, no images, nor mention of the numerous bleeding casualties or corpses in Gaza. Along the same lines, a BBC headline on November 12 reads 'Israel hit by fresh volley of rockets from Gaza.' Similar trends can be illustrated for European mainstream papers. News items overwhelmingly focus on the rockets that have been fired from Gaza, none of which have caused human casualties. What is not in focus are the shellings and bombardments on Gaza, which have resulted in numerous severe and fatal casualties. It doesn't take an expert in media science to understand that what we are facing is at best shoddy and skewed reporting, and at worst willfully dishonest manipulation of the readership.

Furthermore, articles that do mention the Palestinian casualties in Gaza consistently report that Israeli operations are in response to rockets from Gaza and to the injuring of Israeli soldiers. However, the chronology of events of the recent flare-up began on November 5, when an innocent, apparently mentally unfit, 20-year old man, Ahmad al-Nabaheen, was shot when he wandered close to the border. Medics had to wait for six hours to be permitted to pick him up and they suspect that he may have died because of that delay. Then, on November 8, a 13-year-old boy playing football in front of his house was killed by fire from the IOF that had moved into Gazan territory with tanks as well as helicopters. The wounding of four Israeli soldiers at the border on November 10 was therefore already part of a chain of events where Gazan civilians had been killed, and not the triggering event.

We, the signatories, have recently returned from a visit to the Gaza strip. Some among us are now connected to Palestinians living in Gaza through social media. For two nights in a row Palestinians in Gaza were prevented from sleeping through continued engagement of drones, F16s, and indiscriminate bombings of various targets inside the densely populated Gaza strip. The intent of this is clearly to terrorise the population, successfully so, as we can ascertain from our friends' reports. If it was not for Facebook postings, we would not be aware of the degree of terror felt by ordinary Palestinian civilians in Gaza. This stands in stark contrast to the world's awareness of terrorised and shock-treated Israeli citizens.

An extract of a report sent by a Canadian medic who happened to be in Gaza and helped out in Shifa hospital ER over the weekend says: "the wounded were all civilians with multiple puncture wounds from shrapnel: brain injuries, neck injuries, hemo-pneumo thorax, pericardial tamponade, splenic rupture, intestinal perforations, slatted limbs, traumatic amputations. All of this with no monitors, few stethoscopes, one ultrasound machine. …. Many people with serious but non life threatening injuries were sent home to be re-assessed in the morning due to the sheer volume of casualties. The penetrating shrapnel injuries were spooky. Tiny wounds with massive internal injuries. … There was very little morphine for analgesia."

Apparently such scenes are not newsworthy for the New York Times, the CBC, or the BBC.

Bias and dishonesty with respect to the oppression of Palestinians is nothing new in Western media and has been widely documented. Nevertheless, Israel continues its crimes against humanity with full acquiescence and financial, military and moral support from our governments, the U.S., Canada and the EU. Netanyahu is currently garnering Western diplomatic support for additional operations in Gaza, which makes us worry that another Cast Lead may be on the horizon. In fact, the very recent events are confirming such an escalation has already begun, as today's death-count climbs. The lack of widespread public outrage at these crimes is a direct consequence of the systematic way in which the facts are withheld and/or of the skewed way these crimes are portrayed.

We wish to express our outrage at the reprehensible media coverage of these acts in the mainstream (corporate) media. We call on journalists around the world working for corporate media outlets to refuse to be instruments of this systematic policy of disguise. We call on citizens to inform themselves through independent media, and to voice their conscience by whichever means is accessible to them.

Hagit Borer, U.K.
Antoine Bustros, Canada
Noam Chomsky, U.S.
David Heap, Canada
Stephanie Kelly, Canada
Máire Noonan, Canada
Philippe Prévost, France
Verena Stresing, France
Laurie Tuller, France

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php/...e-worlds-media

[Roasted Cashew]

By the way, any of you have some time to spare and like a good fight of words with bigots pls do come support me on the comment section of this CNN article about the recent Israeli and Palestinian conflict. I hit a few nerves over there... I go by the name of "Zain Dar"...

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/16/wo...html?hpt=hp_t1

Oh yeah, choose best and scroll down and you shall see the heated conversations...

[Mustafa2012]

indeed Allah swt knows best, but we have to do our part, and those who can do nothing but mock any effort and are frightened little cowards need to shut up and get back to their hole!

As I said, Allaah knows best.

Emotion doesn't achieve anything except get people into trouble.

If it sounded like I was mocking anyone, then you're seriously mistaken. I was just calling it like it is.

There's no point trying to act over-confident when the reality is far from what some people are trying to portray.

Sometimes it's good to admit your weaknesses so that you can work on strengthening them. Being un-realistic and over-confident will not get anyone anywhere.

If someone is able to help and they don't then of course they will be answerable for that.

[Mustafa2012]

Salaam

This is really poor analysis. In fact its dreadful.

Look at the two sides. How on earth can you compare them?

Israel the 4th (or 5th?) most powerful army in the world, has access the most sophisticated weaponry imaginable (mainly American) and has spent decades perfecting the art of torturing and humiliating the Palestinian people. Not to mention its access to resources and its backing by western powers.

Contrast this with the people of the Gaza strip. Due to the Israeli occupation it has become one of the poorest and densely populated areas on earth. And contrary to the usual deceit it is still under occupation. Israel controls its borders, its seas and its airspace. It tightly controls what goes in and out. If you want a simple example of how depraved they are at trying to control the Gazans try this article

Israel used 'calorie count' to limit Gaza food during blockade, critics claim

Defence ministry files on 'avoiding' civilian malnutrition are proof Israel used food restrictions to hit Hamas, says Palestine group

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...rie-limit-gaza

So its sealed shut, Gazans can’t develop their economy because they have severely limited access to the outside world. This isn’t helped by the regular bombardment from sea, air, land from the Israeli army almost terminally damaging any attempts to develop the economy, or for people to lead semi decent existence. To top it off they assassinate whoever they find inconvenient whenever they like regardless of the circumstances.

Now remember why Hamas came to power in Gaza, (US backed) Fatah launched a coup to remove Hamas. Didn’t turn out how they wanted and Hamas countered taking control of Gaza. Then the whole strip was put under siege, backed by Western powers and Mubarak.

So under the circumstance that they are in

How on earth are they meant to survive? Let alone build up their economy and military of the Gaza strip that is (a) under blockade and (b) regularly attacked by the Israeli army.

How on earth do you expect them to match Israel’s military might, that's an insane question to ask. Given the disparity between the two sides I just cannot understand how you can even contemplate this question

And you cant compare Hamas with Hezbollah, Hezbollah have had decades of experience fighting the Israel occupation of southern Lebanon and had far, far more favourable circumstances than the people of Gaza. (eg. Freedom of movement, ability to build infrastructure economy, access to the outside world, access to weaponry etc)

Its amazing that the people of Gaza and the Hamas government have survived this long and should be an inspiration to all, that despite the horrendous punishment they are taking they still exist.

That’s what matters.

On a personal note it’s very disappointing that Muslims brothers and sisters have attitudes displayed in the above quote, if we are to get anywhere we have to do better.

:wa:

I disagree. It's a realistic view of the capabilities of each side.

I know a lot about the history of the conflict.

Everything you said just confirmed what I said.

How does any of your post make a difference to what I've said?

[جوري]

There's no point trying to act over-confident when the reality is far from what some people are trying to portray.

The reality is only known to the people who are there fighting and it isn't up to us to say back off you're unprepared, the very least we can do is loan our support and du3a. It isn't a matter of over confidence, it is a matter of what we're required to do in Islam which is already listed for us in our families, our money, our homes, our honor and our lands!
You were not my objective with my comment on cowardice it is the ones who so gleefully cheer for the IDF, I am not really sure what their standards or even creed is for that matter!
It is so vile to read some of the comments here sometimes, utterly disappointing and disgusting!

[islamica]

The secret I found is that every time it gets really heated and ugly and I gauge it, I come out learning something new and it goes into my armamentarium for the next thing.. for what it is worth I am very glad to have you here :D

I can see where you are coming from but sometimes arguing with such people who have a fixed notion and belief of something and close minds is like arguing with bible thumpers who think they have the truth while it is we who have it. Thank you dear, it is a relief to talk to one who isn't a sheeple :D

May Allah swt hasten their demise and make us steadfast.. We've been through worse, Shiites inside during the Fatimid, Hulago on one side and the crusades on the other.. we may not have another Salah Ad'din but we should all strive to be that not wait for one brave soul from our midst to unite us. I believe whole heartedly that Allah swt will take care of the rest.. Look how a hurricane crippled us for nearly three weeks.

Ameen. I concur, we don't need another savior to unite us. Rather Allah is preparing us for him so when he comes, he will have strong able Muslim body to fight, not fat lazy couch potatoes.

They are gonna get a real bad ass whopping, that's what's gonna happen. Primitive rockets vs IDF...it's a no brainer. Yet, there is a side of me hoping for some miracle to happen that these IDFs get a real real bad beat down...Ya Allah, give guidance to both sides and let justice prevail.

The Americans and their allies thought the same thing when going in to Afghan. What do these simpletons know, we'll bein and out in a month. Today 70% of Afgha is owned and ruled by those simpletons and the mightest nation and its allies are dieing like rats, desperately looking for a way to get out and save face. These same simpletons took out Russia. The kuffars have advanced weapons, the believers have Allah. WHo do you think will win?


A beautiful duaa from the Afghans

Oh Allah, make them and their weaponry a booty for the mujahideen.
Oh Allah, you are our support and our only victor, by your order we attack, by your order we retreat, and by your order do we fight.
Oh Allah, the sky is yours, the earth is yours, the sea is yours, so whatever forces they have in the sky, drop them. Destroy all their forces in the earth and sink all their forces in the sea.
Oh Allah, deal with them for verily they can never disable you,
Oh Allah, retaliate upon them, afflict them like you did Pharoah and his nation.
Oh Allah, afflict their country with floods, make them in need of money and food and persons,
Oh Allah, defeat them, destroy them Oh the All Strong, the Almighty, Allahu Akbar.

"Honor, power and glory belong to Allah, his Messenger and the believers, but the hypocrites know not."

By the way, any of you have some time to spare and like a good fight of words with bigots pls do come support me on the comment section of this CNN article about the recent Israeli and Palestinian conflict. I hit a few nerves over there... I go by the name of "Zain Dar"...

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/16/wo...html?hpt=hp_t1

If not register then go and click on Vote+ or vote ^. That's what i did :D

[sister herb]

What I have thought... Israel has so called Iron Dome system what should stop missiles and rockets from Gaza (paid by tax payers from the USA) but why it didn´t stop missiles to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem?

^o)

[Jedi_Mindset]

What I have thought... Israel has so called Iron Dome system what should stop missiles and rockets from Gaza (paid by tax payers from the USA) but why it didn´t stop missiles to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem?

^o)

Because it was the will of Allah.. Allah is just and always is on the side with the oppressed.

[glo]

[glo]

Please consider signing this petition:

"To: Israeli government, Hamas and Palestinian leaders, USA government, European leaders
We, Israeli civilians living along the border with Gaza, civilians in Gaza and citizens from all around the world call to end the violence!
Every few weeks violence across the Gaza/Israel border surges. Israel air raids in Gaza, kill and injure innocent civilians, and rockets fired from Gaza into civilian populations in Israel, cause trauma, chaos and physical harm.

We have lived through this long enough, and will no longer sit by quietly.

We are people on both sides of the border who deserve the right to live normal lives. That’s it!

We call upon the Israeli and Hamas governments to end this violence once and for all. Find the ways to sit down and talk, end the attacks and the siege on Gaza, and stop playing with our lives."

http://www.causes.com/actions/169594...&utm_source=fb

[جوري]

These orphan posters are irrelevant, they don't represent Israelis nor do they make it all better, it is not time for petitions and meaningless drivel to placate and stay like this oppressed far worse than south Africa which is what Desmond tutu himself said. It is time to Muslims to unite and rid us of the opportunistic cancer in our midst!
Hamas isn't to blame, they're not the ones who started the aggression so there's nothing to call upon. They've every right to protect themselves and their citizens. It is enough they've already given a good 70% of their homeland to these insects. What else is left? hmmm? pray do tell.

[TrueStranger]

Israel is at it again. :raging:

"Oh My Crying Mothers In AFGHANISTAN, To My Dead Brothers In SYRIA, To My Screaming Sisters In IRAQ, To My Shot Fathers In IRAN, To My Impaled Aunts In PAKISTAN, To My Beaten Uncles In CHECHNYA , To My Burned && Hanged Cousins In BURMA, To My Tortured Grandparents In BOSNIA, To My Crying Children Of PALESTINE, && To My Forgotten People In SOMALIA I Forever Beg Of The Almighty To Recompense You With Firdous Al-Ala!!!"

[جوري]

Not a war against Islam or Muslims at all!

[glo]

These orphan posters are irrelevant, they don't represent Israelis nor do they make it all better, it is not time for petitions and meaningless drivel to placate and stay like this oppressed far worse than south Africa which is what Desmond tutu himself said.

You may think so, but I disagree.

I find the whole situation in Gaza unbearable and it is hard to feel helpless.
But we are neither helpless nor hopeless.

So whilst there is something I can do, I will! I will unite with other pro-Palestinian people. I will pray for a peaceful solution for all parties involved - Muslims, Christians and Jews. I will speak out, inform others and sign petitions. I will support charities. It may not be much, but it is all I can do.

I will hold on to the knowledge that not all Jews are Zionists supported by like-minded Christians, and to the hope that more of more of those who are will turn away from their thinking!

It is time to Muslims to unite and rid us of the opportunistic cancer in our midst!

And how do you suggest?

Do you hope and pray for peaceful solutions or do you think there is no chance of that?

[جوري]

You may think so, but I disagree.

It isn't a thought it is a fact!

I find the whole situation in Gaza unbearable and it is hard to feel helpless.
But we are neither helpless nor hopeless.

Oh, what can you do besides finding the lone ranger?

So whilst there is something I can do, I will! I will unite with other pro-Palestinian people. I will pray for a peaceful solution for all parties involved - Muslims, Christians and Jews. I will speak out, inform others and sign petitions. I will support charities. It may not be much, but it is all I can do.

There are no peaceful solutions learn a little history. Israel didn't even start the so-called 'peace talks' seriously until 1993 when there was absolutely no reversal in policies stop living in lala land!

I will hold on to the knowledge that not all Jews are Zionists supported by like-minded Christians, and to the hope that more of more of those who are will turn away from their thinking!

It doesn't matter of an all or none, it has nothing to do with it whatsoever. It is about illegal occupation which continues and will continue unless something is done about it!

And how do you suggest?

Turn on your TV, have a looksy

Do you hope and pray for peaceful solutions or do you think there is no chance of that?

No, there's no chance of that I pray for an end to the colonial settler cockroach state and may Allah swt hasten their demise!

best,

[جوري]

:haha: how is that for both physical and psychological warfare? Can your cowards do that? Yeah I didn't think so.. War is more than state of the art weapons! and we're the birth place of religion and civilization if the blood libel pigs saw the mountains it is because they stood on the shoulders of giants.
Glad for all that state of the art stuff for we shall be its inheritors by God's will!

[glo]

I know this is an emotive issue, but the verbal abuses and insults thrown around in this thread are getting beyond belief.
Mods? Can you please clean up/close this thread?

[جوري]

Why don't you use the report button feature dearie?

[glo]

Why don't you use the report button feature dearie?

I did. But rather than report every post which I thought was worth reporting (which would have taken all evening, given you have to wait a minute or so between each go), I reported my own.

Hey presto. Hours saved! ;D

[CosmicPathos]

I wish this pilot was talking about israel, not india!

[Jedi_Mindset]

Sweetshot you can talk what you want because in the near future it will proof who of us is right, you are a support of israel and its secular/atheist system, and you most likely want israel to dominate the ME. However this is backfiring, the uprisings in certain ME countries have created a pro-palestinian force, a force which israel cant defend from, this is admitted by American zionist jews, one of them henry kissinger who said that there will be no israel anymore from now to 2022. However it might be not over yet when israel is gone we still have US/NATO but they are losing ground alhamdulillah.

In 10 years, there will be no more Israel: Kissinger

The idea of Israel’s inexorable collapse is no longer a taboo as more top brass US officials are explicitly attesting to the fact, with prominent US diplomat Henry Kissinger saying, “In 10 years, there will be no more Israel.”


“Kissinger's statement is flat and unqualified. He is not saying that Israel is in danger, but could be saved if we just gave it additional trillions of dollars and smashed enough of its enemies with our military.… He is not offering a way out. He is simply stating a fact: In 2022, Israel will no longer exist,” political columnist Kevin Barrett wrote in an article published on Press TV website on Sunday.

He also pointed to a study commissioned by the US Intelligence Community (IC), comprised of 16 US intelligence agencies, earlier this year, titled “Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East,” and pointed out that the content of the IC’s report corroborates Kissinger's contention.

“The sixteen US intelligence agencies agree that Israel cannot withstand the coming pro-Palestinian juggernaut consisting of the Arab Spring, the Islamic Awakening, and the rise of the Islamic Republic of Iran,” the analyst added.

The IC report contends that the US government no longer has the military and financial resources “to continue propping up Israel against the wishes of more than a billion of its neighbors” and suggests that “the US will have to follow its own national interests and pull the plug on Israel,” Barrett said.

Considering the fact that the Jewish Kissinger has long been viewed as an ardent friend of Israel and that the majority of US officials, including the authors of the IC report, are influenced by pro-Israeli lobby, the emerging messages become more remarkable, the article added.

The article argues that the emerging “complacency” among the US officials about Israel’s fate can be traced in the following reasons:

· American politicians and political activists “are growing fed-up with Israeli intransigence and fanaticism.”
· Americans feel “festering resentment over the Israel lobby's imperious domination of public discourse.”
· “The American Jewish community is no longer united in support of Israel.”
· It is becoming a common knowledge that Israel and its supporters carried out the 9/11 false-flag attacks.

“In fact, the US is going broke and sacrificing thousands of lives in wars for Israel - wars that damage, rather than aid, US strategic interests,” the article said.

“It will become ever-easier for American policymakers, following in the footsteps of Kissinger and the sixteen intelligence agencies, to recognize the obvious: Israel has reached the end of its shelf-life,” Barrett concluded.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/264485.html

Your view of history is flawed to

['Abd-al Latif]

:salamext:

I walked into Li, saw the target, took aim and BAM!

What a Sweetshot! Right in the banned list!

Good riddance to bad rubbish I say. :)

[جوري]

:salamext:

I walked into Li, saw the target, took aim and BAM!

What a SweetShot! Right in the banned list!

Good riddance to bad rubbish I say. :)

Ya Abd'Al-Latif,
I made a cheese cake (which I'll post in the IB kitchen thread be sure to check it out and positive rep me on a job well done) for sis Insaanah but now I shall cut you a large slice too! :D

[CosmicPathos]

there is something uncanny about his name being sweet shot. lol

['Abd-al Latif]

Ya Abd'Al-Latif,
I made a cheese cake (which I'll post in the IB kitchen thread be sure to check it out and positive rep me on a job well done) for sis Insaanah but now I shall cut you a large slice too! :D

I'm hungry already!

[جوري]

I'm hungry already!

Can you see it? not sure if it posted I am having probs with the server..
here it is just in case:

the first slice I cut off is for me.. I have to taste everything first, I am the baker and the royal taster..I caramelized (bruleed) the top you can remove it if you don't care for carmel..

['Abd-al Latif]

Mashaa'Allah looks delicious.

[جوري]

Jazaka Allah khyran.. keep trying to bribe my sis with pix so she can come spend the evening with me but she refuses :(

[سيف الله]

Salaam

:wa:.

I disagree. It's a realistic view of the capabilities of each side.

I know a lot about the history of the conflict.

Everything you said just confirmed what I said.

How does any of your post make a difference to what I've said?

On the contrary your post shows a poor understanding of the conflict.

Incidentally you didn't respond to any of my points.

For those who want a better understanding of whats going on at the moment

Israel started this not Hamas



Israel Wants Gaza Colonized



Statement by Noam Chomsky

The incursion and bombardment of Gaza is not about destroying Hamas. It is not about stopping rocket fire into Israel, it is not about achieving peace.

The Israeli decision to rain death and destruction on Gaza, to use lethal weapons of the modern battlefield on a largely defenseless civilian population, is the final phase in a decades-long campaign to ethnically-cleanse Palestinians.

Israel uses sophisticated attack jets and naval vessels to bomb densely-crowded refugee camps, schools, apartment blocks, mosques, and slums to attack a population that has no air force, no air defense, no navy, no heavy weapons, no artillery units, no mechanized armor, no command in control, no army… and calls it a war. It is not a war, it is murder.

When Israelis in the occupied territories now claim that they have to defend themselves, they are defending themselves in the sense that any military occupier has to defend itself against the population they are crushing. You can't defend yourself when you're militarily occupying someone else's land. That's not defense. Call it what you like, it's not defense.

Noam Chomsky

The reality is only known to the people who are there fighting and it isn't up to us to say back off you're unprepared, the very least we can do is loan our support and du3a. It isn't a matter of over confidence, it is a matter of what we're required to do in Islam which is already listed for us in our families, our money, our homes, our honor and our lands!
You were not my objective with my comment on cowardice it is the ones who so gleefully cheer for the IDF, I am not really sure what their standards or even creed is for that matter!
It is so vile to read some of the comments here sometimes, utterly disappointing and disgusting!

Yes have to agree with this :(

I always wonder what this ‘realistic’ attitude is? Somebody’s destroying you what are you meant to do.

Did the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto show a ‘realistic’ attitude?

[جوري]

Yes have to agree with this

I always wonder what this ‘realistic’ attitude is? Somebody’s destroying you what are you meant to do.

Did the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto show a ‘realistic’ attitude?

Believe me if the cowards weren't scared especially with the so-called 'Arab Spring' in the region they wouldn't be descending like locusts upon the net and elsewhere trying for a psychological war, ideological war and with the weapons they leech off the tax payers money.
Think of it this way, what can happen?
At-Tauba (The Repentance)[9:52]

[RECITE]

[top] [next match]

Qul hal tarabbasoona bina illa ihda alhusnayayni wanahnu natarabbasu bikum an yuseebakumu Allahu biAAathabin min AAindihi aw biaydeena fatarabbasoo inna maAAakum mutarabbisoona

9:52 Say: "Can you expect for us (any fate) other than one of two glorious things- (Martyrdom or victory)? But we can expect for you either that Allah will send his punishment from Himself, or by our hands. So wait (expectant); we too will wait with you."


Allah swt is with us if we are steadfast, it isn't a matter of who has what. We didn't have 'what' against the Romans, or the Persians or even the murtads back then when we were a handful, now we're nations, and not stupid nations at that, we were just ruled by despots. We must believe in the promise of Allah swt if we're true to the message. Like I stated to the guy that was just banned, Egypt took down their Bar Lev line which costs the tax payers 500 million with some water and a strong will. All there really needs to be done is for us to unite together as one unit and I do see sparks of solidarity. Now isn't the time for cowardice or to be divided.. they're very easy to take down, they're in our midst and the U.S is in bad shape they're only good and heroic in the movies, they can barely get out of afghanistan.

Israel couldn't handle itself with HizbAllah and they're smaller than Gaza, how can they handle themselves with all those countries in the region, and I do wonder if we've countries like Malaysia, Indonesia etc. on board if they'd last at all one day? but they've been very good at keeping us divided and deluding some of us that they're friends and that they're only fighting a select few 'radicals'. They've completely ravaged us because we let them. There's nothing witty or brilliant or masterful about them, in fact they're cowards. I have posted a video of two fully clad soldiers startles by a little noise made by children. May Allah swt forever instill fear and cowardice in their hearts..

Ameen

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

For those that don't know, Harry Fear currently gives probably the best/latest updates on the situation on Gaza. I would recommend people watch the live stream -

- Stream http://www.ustream.tv/channel/operation-pillar-of-cloud
- Twitter https://twitter.com/harryfear

[Mustafa2012]

Salaam

This is really poor analysis. In fact its dreadful.

Look at the two sides. How on earth can you compare them?

Israel the 4th (or 5th?) most powerful army in the world, has access the most sophisticated weaponry imaginable (mainly American) and has spent decades perfecting the art of torturing and humiliating the Palestinian people. Not to mention its access to resources and its backing by western powers.

Contrast this with the people of the Gaza strip. Due to the Israeli occupation it has become one of the poorest and densely populated areas on earth. And contrary to the usual deceit it is still under occupation. Israel controls its borders, its seas and its airspace. It tightly controls what goes in and out. If you want a simple example of how depraved they are at trying to control the Gazans try this article

Israel used 'calorie count' to limit Gaza food during blockade, critics claim

Defence ministry files on 'avoiding' civilian malnutrition are proof Israel used food restrictions to hit Hamas, says Palestine group

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...rie-limit-gaza

So its sealed shut, Gazans can’t develop their economy because they have severely limited access to the outside world. This isn’t helped by the regular bombardment from sea, air, land from the Israeli army almost terminally damaging any attempts to develop the economy, or for people to lead semi decent existence. To top it off they assassinate whoever they find inconvenient whenever they like regardless of the circumstances.

Now remember why Hamas came to power in Gaza, (US backed) Fatah launched a coup to remove Hamas. Didn’t turn out how they wanted and Hamas countered taking control of Gaza. Then the whole strip was put under siege, backed by Western powers and Mubarak.

So under the circumstance that they are in

How on earth are they meant to survive? Let alone build up their economy and military of the Gaza strip that is (a) under blockade and (b) regularly attacked by the Israeli army.

How on earth do you expect them to match Israel’s military might, that's an insane question to ask. Given the disparity between the two sides I just cannot understand how you can even contemplate this question

And you cant compare Hamas with Hezbollah, Hezbollah have had decades of experience fighting the Israel occupation of southern Lebanon and had far, far more favourable circumstances than the people of Gaza. (eg. Freedom of movement, ability to build infrastructure economy, access to the outside world, access to weaponry etc)

Its amazing that the people of Gaza and the Hamas government have survived this long and should be an inspiration to all, that despite the horrendous punishment they are taking they still exist.

That’s what matters.

On a personal note it’s very disappointing that Muslims brothers and sisters have attitudes displayed in the above quote, if we are to get anywhere we have to do better.

With all due respect brother read your words again.

All your post is doing is explaining why Palestinians are in the situation they are in right now and how the Israeli's have oppressed them which does not change the fact that they are still not ready for an Israeli attack now and not as organized as Hizbullaah is.

You have not said anything new which I don't already know and you have not made a case for why the Palestinians are ready for an Israeli attack right now.

For the record, I sympathize very much with the Palestinian people and hate what those Zionists are doing to them but telling me how they've been oppressed is not going to change anything because everyone already knows how oppressed they are.

They still need the support of their fellow Muslim countries, they still need to sort out their various factions which are not working together. They still need to unite under one cause and they still need more manpower to be able to defeat Israel.

[sister herb]

Why don't you use the report button feature dearie?

Salam alaykum

It is YOU who should thinks how muslim have to behave.

[جوري]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

For those that don't know, Harry Fear currently gives probably the best/latest updates on the situation on Gaza. I would recommend people watch the live stream -

- Stream http://www.ustream.tv/channel/operation-pillar-of-cloud
- Twitter https://twitter.com/harryfear

Do you have any news on that shot down F-16?

:w:

[سيف الله]

Salaam

With all due respect brother read your words again.

All your post is doing is explaining why Palestinians are in the situation they are in right now and how the Israeli's have oppressed them which does not change the fact that they are still not ready for an Israeli attack now and not as organized as Hizbullaah is.

You have not said anything new which I don't already know and you have not made a case for why the Palestinians are ready for an Israeli attack right now.

For the record, I sympathize very much with the Palestinian people and hate what those Zionists are doing to them but telling me how they've been oppressed is not going to change anything because everyone already knows how oppressed they are.

They still need the support of their fellow Muslim countries, they still need to sort out their various factions which are not working together. They still need to unite under one cause and they still need more manpower to be able to defeat Israel.

On the contrary your not understanding what I'm saying and your not understanding any of videos or statements Ive posted.

The people of Gaza are not ready for an attack? Yes I think we all know that, I think the whole world knows that.

Just answer me these questions.

How are they meant to 'prepare' for an attack given that they are under 'constant' attack? Do they send a postcard to the Israelis politely asking them to stay their attack until they are 'ready'?
How are they meant to maintain a ceasefire when Israel breaks them at will?
How are they meant to build up their society, economy and military when they are under blockade and attacked from land, sea air at regular intervals?
How are they meant to unite, given the geographical distance between Gaza and the Westbank not mention that Fatah are backed by the West?
How on earth do you expect them to 'defeat' Israel? Which has one of the most powerful armies on earth? Tell me how are they meant to do that?


You'll actually find that Hamas and the people of Gaza have done a remarkable job in keeping their society alive and functioning given the horrendous conditions the exist under.

[جوري]

Which has one of the most powerful armies on earth?

I disagree with this one, only in the fact they like the Americans rate themselves.. artillery and funding isn't what makes an army powerful. And I think smaller groups, far smaller than Gaza have proven that said might is only a form of psychological warfare and an undertaking to give the illusion of their power and influence. They're in fact pretty pathetic.. All you really need are strategists to win a war nor weaponry (I mean that's important too) but such things are operated by humans and they're stupid humans at that!

[GuestFellow]

Ah this conflict seems to have no end. :/ When I see headlines like this I just ask myself why can't we all just get along. :/ Back to reality, I doubt Israel will be able to keep this up.

[جوري]

When I see headlines like this I just ask myself why can't we all just get along.

The question is really why should we get along? You'd take out the welcome mat to two thugs who come in rape your sister, kill your father tell you that you're entitled to less than 20% of your house and that it isn't even yours at all those who assault you daily while having the audacity to calling you the aggressor? seriously something to ponder, I am getting a little outraged by some of the stuff I read and wonder if others process information the same way I do!

:w:

[GuestFellow]

The question is really why should we get along? You'd take out the welcome mat to two thugs who come in rape your sister, kill your father tell you that you're entitled to less than 20% of your house and that it isn't even yours at all those who assault you daily while having the audacity to calling you the aggressor? seriously something to ponder, I am getting a little outraged by some of the stuff I read and wonder if others process information the same way I do!

:w:

:wa:

I guess we are all different. :/ If something like that happened to me, I would want to find the person responsible. Getting along with people does not necessarily involve associating with bad people. These people need to be prosecuted in the process. =)

[جوري]

well the three thugs in this case the Haganah, Irgun and stern gang, brought along a whole of squatters, still want to get along with the not as bad squatters?

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:

Good updates here:
http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f...8/index14.html

[GuestFellow]

well the three thugs in this case the Haganah, Irgun and stern gang, brought along a whole of squatters, still want to get along with the not as bad squatters?

I don't know. I mean squatters just want a place to stay, so I guess I would get along with them as long as they don't force me out of my home.

[Jedi_Mindset]

Nov. 17, 22:05 GMT: The Al Qassam Brigade, the military wing of Hamas, has given a press conference claiming more successful attacks against Israel and vowing they “have a lot of surprises.” "We shot down a warplane over the Gaza sea, which Israel is hiding. We have targeted a sensitive military site in Rishon Lezion near Tel El Rabee city,” the group has claimed.



^Video of hamas shooting down israeli UAV drone

[جوري]

I don't know. I mean squatters just want a place to stay, so I guess I would get along with them as long as they don't force me out of my home.

lol akhi.. ya3ni walhi I don't know what to say to you!
Ok, I am just going to let it go because I don't want to be side tracked- I think it is too hypothetical for you to empathize or process what is going on!
They've already taken 70% of your house and want the 20% more literally want you to move in next door and get dissolved in neighboring cultures. posters or not squatters or not, they're all guilty of the same crime to varying degrees. That's putting it simply!

:w:

[GuestFellow]

^ Yeah its too hypothetical lol. I pretty tired to think today as well. XD

[GuestFellow]

Nov. 17, 22:05 GMT: The Al Qassam Brigade, the military wing of Hamas, has given a press conference claiming more successful attacks against Israel and vowing they “have a lot of surprises.” "We shot down a warplane over the Gaza sea, which Israel is hiding. We have targeted a sensitive military site in Rishon Lezion near Tel El Rabee city,” the group has claimed.

...Does this mean Israel will lose? I'm ready to make some popcorn if that is the case. It was funny when Israel was defeated in Lebanon but were still behaving as though they were successful.

[Jedi_Mindset]

...Does this mean Israel will lose? I'm ready to make some popcorn if that is the case. It was funny when Israel was defeated in Lebanon but were still behaving as though they were successful.

Neither sides are losing, israel will lose insha'Allah

[جوري]

They will be destroyed in shaa Allah, the way Allah swt destroys pharos & tyrants.

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Alqassam live conference;

"The fight is not just for gaza but it is also for Jeruselum as well as Palestine itself" (This is said twice, the other time with the variance; "To Arabs and Muslims")

"What Israel has claimed of destroying the military abilities of Palestinian Resistance is a big lie"

"We have a lot of surprises"

https://twitter.com/AlqassamBrigade
Operation Pillar of Cloud on USTREAM: Live English TV news from central Gaza City, by Harry Fear.. Breaking News

And new video out of Mujahideen downing an Israeli arial vehicle - ‫القسام يعرض فيديو استهداف الطائرة الاف 16 بصاروخ ارض جو‬‎ - YouTube

[جوري]

Thank you for that Israel kept denying it but you know it is an all our psychological warfare, but we Muslims excel at everything we do in shaa Allah for we give it fidelity, and adorn it with truth and justice!

:w:

[islamica]

Israel's Interior Minister: "The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages."

BREAKING: Reports from Israeli TV have said that the troops are refusing to enter Gaza's land. Cowards are too afraid of our MEN. Allahu Akbar!

[islamica]

Aerial assaults have been unleashed on Palestine. Since Wednesday, Nov. 14, more than 30 Palestinians—including at least two children and one pregnant woman—have been killed, according to news reports. Hundreds more have been hurt. As the airstrikes continue over densely-populated regions, thousands of people are at risk of injury or worse. Donate now to help deliver emergency aid to our brothers and sisters in Palestine. Islamic Relief is working to provide vital supplies to help Palestinians who are in dire need. But we need your help to do so. So, please give today. Your contribution will let children, mothers, fathers, grandparents who are living in fear—not knowing if they are safe even when in their own homes—know that they have your support ... ... Just like Islamic Relief donors have done by supporting efforts in Palestine since 1994. Watch this video to learn how your contributions have been helping.

Please donate today to help Palestinians in need during these extraordinarily difficult times. And, give as much as you can. Every donation counts!

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“...and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people; ...” (Quran 005:032)

Helping Hand for Relief & Development (HHRD) is today announcing a “Gaza Emergency Relief”, to support the innocent children, orphans, widows, sisters, elderly, and all suffering from this horrific tragedy of epic proportions’.

Please open your hearts and contribute towards this cause. www.HHRD.Org

[Beardo]

JERUSALEM — Israel’s four-day-old air offensive in the Gaza Strip expanded to target Hamas government buildings on Saturday and Palestinian militants continued firing a torrent of rockets at civilian areas in southern Israel as both sides stepped up diplomatic efforts to win support.

Israeli airstrikes over Gaza accelerated to nearly 200 early in the day, including one hit that reduced the offices of Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh to a smoldering concrete heap. That strike, along with others on a police headquarters and smuggling tunnels along the strip’s southern border with Egypt, raised questions about whether Israel had broadened its mission to including toppling the Hamas government that rules the coastal strip.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...857_story.html


:exhausted

Just before sundown, Hamas said it had fired an Iranian-made Fajr-5 rocket at Tel Aviv, and air raid sirens sounded in that city for the third day in a row. The Israeli military said its newly deployed missile defense battery intercepted the rocket before it landed in the populous coastal city.

Even as airstrikes pounded the area Saturday morning, the foreign minister of Tunisia’s Islamist-led government, Rafik Abdessalem, arrived in Gaza with a delegation, underscoring Hamas’s newfound credibility in a region dramatically altered by the Arab Spring. Abdessalem expressed outrage at what he called Israeli “aggression” and pledged to unite with other Arab countries to end the conflict.

In Cairo, Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi, whose prime minister visited Gaza on Friday, held meetings with Turkey’s prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and the emir of Qatar, both Hamas supporters, to discuss what Morsi and other regional leaders have promised will be a more robust response to Israel’s actions than during past conflicts. By Saturday night, rumors of Morsi, Erdogan and Hamas chairman Khaled Meshal hashing out a cease-fire plan were swirling but unconfirmed.

Also in Cairo, the Arab League held an emergency meeting of foreign ministers to discuss a response to the conflict. Many participants called for Arab assistance to the Palestinians and a “reconsideration” of Egypt’s peace treaty with Israel. But it was unclear if the usually ineffectual league would deliver decisive action by the end of its summit.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, meanwhile, took his country’s case to European leaders. In conversations with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and the prime ministers of Italy, Greece and the Czech Republic, Netanyahu argued that “no country in the world would agree to a situation in which its population lives under a constant missile threat,” according to an Israeli government statement. The government announced that it was launching a special operations center for public diplomacy, centered on “the unified message that Israel is under fire.”

The White House reiterated its support for the Israeli operation, which the military says is intended to stop rocket fire that has escalated in the four years since Israel last invaded Gaza to stunt attacks by Hamas, an Islamist movement that Israel and the United States consider a terrorist group.

[Beardo]

I just want to cry out of frustration when I read this:

“Israelis have endured far too much of a threat from these rockets for far too long,” Ben Rhodes, a deputy U.S. national security adviser, told reporters traveling with President Obama to Asia. Rhodes declined to comment on the Israelis’ choice of targets, but he said White House officials “always underscore the importance of avoiding civilian casualties.”

[جوري]

What's new? they own the media, (I really don't want to hear about how the protocols are a hoax) if hoax imitates life then that's is it- they control what people see, but they don't control us, unless the western public is willing to die for Israel it is only bruhaha for sheeple. Guess what? People in the ME aren't afraid of the big bad wolf anymore, just watch them take out their despots out of the sewers. Our children deserve better than what we had!
So Let those pigs cry wolf until one day he kills them in shaa Allah!

:w:

[Beardo]

Here are better statistics to show what's going on:
"Officials in Gaza said 41 Palestinians, among them 20 civilians including eight children and a pregnant woman, had been killed in Gaza since Israel began operations four days ago. Three Israeli civilians were killed by a rocket on Thursday."
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...gypt-says?lite

[Mustafa2012]

Salaam

On the contrary your not understanding what I'm saying and your not understanding any of videos or statements Ive posted.

The people of Gaza are not ready for an attack? Yes I think we all know that, I think the whole world knows that.

Just answer me these questions.

How are they meant to 'prepare' for an attack given that they are under 'constant' attack? Do they send a postcard to the Israelis politely asking them to stay their attack until they are 'ready'?
How are they meant to maintain a ceasefire when Israel breaks them at will?
How are they meant to build up their society, economy and military when they are under blockade and attacked from land, sea air at regular intervals?
How are they meant to unite, given the geographical distance between Gaza and the Westbank not mention that Fatah are backed by the West?
How on earth do you expect them to 'defeat' Israel? Which has one of the most powerful armies on earth? Tell me how are they meant to do that?


You'll actually find that Hamas and the people of Gaza have done a remarkable job in keeping their society alive and functioning given the horrendous conditions the exist under.

Thank you for agreeing with what I said and confirming my viewpoint. Strangely some people here think that the Palestinians have been preparing for this moment for the last 60 years.

Anyway with regards to your questions. I prefer to focus my time on things we can change rather than that which we can't like the past. Since most of your questions are about things which have already happened, nothing that you or I say can change that.

That's why being realistic has a lot of benefit. Let's focus on the future shall we?

I really dislike answering rhetorical questions so I'll give you the pleasure of answering them for me.

[جوري]

Strangely some people here think that the Palestinians have been preparing for this moment for the last 60 years.

I think that when you're subjected to hardship repeatedly you naturally learn better ways to cope with it and hopefully come out from behind and think ahead, the Israelis are fatalistic, they've not changed they live in decadence and everything comes to them from someone else's blood, sweat and tears- whereas hardship makes for invention. If Israel were as strong as all that, why is it crying to the world?

[Jedi_Mindset]

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11...aza-hit-twice/

Also the Al-quds TV media center got hit. War against freedom of speech

Nov. 18, *09:51 GMT: The crew of RT’s Arabic-language sister channel Rusiya Al-Yaum are moving to a new office following an Israeli attack on two media center buildings overnight. Staff members were not at the facility when it was bombed.

[Jedi_Mindset]

Palestinians shoot down Israeli drone in north Gaza

Palestinian resistance fighters say they have shot down an Israeli unmanned aerial vehicle in the north of the Gaza Strip.


Also on Sunday, Palestinian sources announced that an Israeli military vessel had been hit by a rocket fired from the Gaza Strip.

Palestinian fighters also downed an Israeli F-16 fighter jet flying over the Gaza Strip on Friday, as retaliatory rocket attacks from the enclave continue to sound alarms across Israel.

Rockets fired from Gaza on Sunday landed in Israel’s southern cities of Eshkol, Ashdod, Kiryat Malakhi and Ashkelon.

Israel's Iron Dome missile shield has intercepted only 267, out of a total of 774, Palestinian rockets and missiles.

Israel has pounded the Gaza Strip 1,000 times since Wednesday, according to Israeli media.

At least 51 Palestinians have been killed and more than 500 others wounded since the beginning of the recent Israeli attacks against the Gaza Strip. Many women and children are among the casualties.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11...israeli-drone/

Another UAV downed...

[جوري]

Allah Akbar!
Btw remind me to fix your signature for you a little later in the day in shaa Allah

[Jedi_Mindset]

Top Islamic Jihad leader eliminated: Israeli military

The Israeli military says that Palestine’s top Islamic Jihad leader has been “eliminated”.

[جوري]

Someone should post the pictures of all the children and pregnant women the sons of pigs killed today..

[جوري]

Top Islamic Jihad leader eliminated: Israeli military

The Israeli military says that Palestine’s top Islamic Jihad leader has been “eliminated”.

This is how your sig should be:

لن نعترف باسرائيل
lan na3tarif be'Israel

:w:

[Jedi_Mindset]

This is how your sig should be:

لن نعترف باسرائيل
lan na3tarif be'Israel

:w:

Ok, Jazaak'Allah khair :)

[جوري]

Ok, Jazaak'Allah khair :)

can you see it in Arabic as well? not sure if it is showing, it shows on firefox but not safari which is the only server that works on this site:
لن نعترف باسرائيل

[Jedi_Mindset]

can you see it in Arabic as well? not sure if it is showing, it shows on firefox but not safari which is the only server that works on this site:
لن نعترف باسرائيل

Yes i can see it alhamdulillah

[Huzzy_786]

“Whenever I hear an airstrike I put my hands on my ears and feel so scared,” says Wisam Dalloul, age 9
Israel has killed at least 18 children since 14 November

[جوري]

They won't show the children here because of course Israel is telling the story- please post their pictures.. they often vacillate between the victim and the aggressor depending on whom they wish to either emotionally bully or psychologically bully.
May this be the beginning of their end ameen ameen ameen.
Now is the time to raise your hands up and pray.

:w:

[Jedi_Mindset]

They won't show the children here because of course Israel is telling the story- please post their pictures.. they often vacillate between the victim and the aggressor depending on whom they wish to either emotionally bully or psychologically bully.
May this be the beginning of their end ameen ameen ameen.
Now is the time to raise your hands up and pray.

:w:

I want to post a few but is there a spoiler option somewhere? So i can put the pics in a spoiler for the ones who want to see it and the ones who dont want to see it.

[Jedi_Mindset]

Nov. 18. 16:25 GMT: Al-Qassam Brigades say Palestinians have shot down an Israeli Apache helicopter.

Allahu Akbar

[Jedi_Mindset]

Israel faces 44 million attacks on websites in response to Gaza offensive

The Israeli government has become a victim of cyber-warfare attacks since Operation Pillar of Defense began four days ago. On Saturday, hacktivist group Anonymous launched a massive attack on over 700 Israeli websites.
The country’s finance minister has acknowledged the recent wave of attacks, saying the government is now waging a war on a “second front.”
Over the past four days, Israel has “deflected 44 million cyber-attacks on government websites,” Israeli Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz told AP.
Steinitz said the government has come up with a backup for “essential websites,” should they be taken down by hackers.
"This is an unprecedented attack, and our success has been greater than we anticipated," he said.
He did not say who was responsible for the hacking attempts. He also declined to disclose which countries the attacks were coming from.
His comments come just one day after hacktivist group Anonymous launched a massive attack on almost 700 Israeli websites, calling the campaign #OpIsrael.
The group took down the Israeli president’s official website and the blog of the country's Defense Force, www.idfblog.com. The collective posted the news on Twitter using their infamous #TANGO DOWN hashtag. The blog is still down.

It also attacked the website of the Israeli Foreign Ministry’s international development program, in a protest against an alleged Israeli threat to cut the Gaza Strip’s internet connections.
Other targeted sites include those belonging to the Kadima party, the Bank of Jerusalem, and Tel Aviv Municipality. All of the websites continue to be shut down.

Most of the sites are simply unavailable, but others display pro-Palestinian images and messages. A message on one website read, “This attack is in response to the injustice against the Palestinian people."
Both sides of the conflict are using social networking sites to influence public opinion as the death toll from the violence continues to rise. Sixty-five Palestinians – including at least 13 children – have been killed over the course of five days.
The Israeli government has fully embraced social networking sites – including Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, and Instagram.
After taking out Hamas military leader Ahmed Jabari with a precision guided bomb, the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) tweeted a warning to Hamas: “We recommend that no Hamas operatives, whether low level or senior leaders, show their faces above ground in the days ahead.”
The news about the Jabari assassination was announced on Twitter before it was announced to the media.
Palestinians have joined the Twitter war, too. In response to the IDF tweet, the Al-Qassam Brigades tweeted: “Our blessed hands will reach your leaders and soldiers wherever they are (You opened hell gates on yourselves).”

http://rt.com/news/israel-cyber-hackers-gaza-000/

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Yeah, Anonymous just released the names/personal details of 1000's of Israeli government officials.

[Endymion]

I'm not courageous enough to post those pics i have just seen.

[Jedi_Mindset]

The israeli in the vid has the nerve to say to fear for his life, while there are bombs falling around the house of the palestinian.

[Jedi_Mindset]

BREAKING NEWS: 500 Egyptian activists cross into Gaza in show of solidarity

[Jedi_Mindset]

Over 130 aerial, sea strikes against Gaza carried out by Israel

Reports say Israel has conducted more than 130 aerial and sea attacks against the besieged Gaza Strip on Sunday.

[Jedi_Mindset]

Ok i have decided to just post the pics, since i cant find a spoiler option, dont think bad of me, i do this because i want you all to realize this impact, being blocked from this make you all not realize this.

Full List Of Names Of Palestinian Killed By Israeli Soldiers in Gaza Since Last Wednesday

1- Ahmad Al-Ja’bary, 52 years old.
2-Mohammed Al-hams, 28 years old.
3- Rinan Arafat, 7 years old.
4- Omar Al-Mashharawi, 11 months old.
5-Essam Abu-Alma’za, 20 years old.
6-Mohammed Al-qaseer, 20 years old.
7- Heba Al-Mashharawi, six-month pregnant, 19 years old.
8- Mahmoud Abu Sawawin, 65 years old.
9- Habis Hassan Mismih, 29 years old.
10- Wael Haidar Al-Ghalban, 31 years old.
11- Hehsam Mohammed Al-Ghalban, 31 years old.
12- Rani Hammad, 29 years old.
13- Khaled Abi Nasser, 27 year old.
14- Marwan Abu Al-Qumsan, 52 years old.
15- Walid Al-Abalda, 2 years old.
16- Hanin Tafesh, 10 months old.
17- Oday Jammal Nasser, 16 years old.
18- Fares Al-Basyouni, 11 years old.
19- Mohammed Sa’d Allah, 4 years old.
20- Ayman Abu Warda, 22 years old.
21- Tahrir Suliman, 20 years old.
22- Ismael Qandil, 24 years old.
23- Younis Kamal Tafesh, 55 years old.
24- Mohammed Talal Suliman, 28 years old.
25- Amjad Mohammed Abu-Jalal, 32 years old.
26- Ziyad Farhan Abu-Jalal, 23 years old.
27- Ayman Mohammed Abu Jalal, 44 years old.
28- Hassan Salem Al-Heemla’, 27 years old.
29- Khaled Khalil Al-Shaer, 24 years old.
30- Ayman Rafeeq sleem, 26 years old.
31- Ahmad Abu Musamih, 32 years old.
32- Osama Abdeljawad
33- Ashraf Darwish
34- Ali Al-Mana’ma
35`- Mukhlis Edwan
36- Mohammed Al-Loulhy, 24 years old.
37- Ahmad Al-Atrush
38- Abderrahman Al-Masri
39- Awad Al-Nahhal
40- Ali Hassan Iseed, 25 years old.
41- Mohammed Sabry Al’weedat, 25 years old.
42- Osama Yousif Al-Qadi, 26 years old.
43- Ahmad Ben Saeed, 42 years old.
44- Hani Bre’m, 31 years old.
45- Samaher Qdeih, 28 years old.
46- Tamer Al-Hamry, 26 years old, died after being seriously injured in an attack on Deer Al-Balah.
47- Jumana Salamah Abu Sufyan, 1 year old.
48- Tamer Salamah Abu Sufyan, 3 years old.
49- Muhammad Abu Nuqira
50- Eyad Abu Khusa, 18 months old.
51- Tasneem Zuheir Al-Nahhal, 13 years old.
52- Ahmad Essam Al-Nahhal, 25 years old.
53- Nawal Abdelaal, 52 years old.
54- Mohammed Jamal Al-Dalou, the father.
55- Ranin Mohammed Jamal Al-Dalou, 5 years old.
56- Jamal Mohammed Jamal Al-Dalou, 7 year old.
57- Yousef Mohammed Jamal Al-Dalou, 10 years old.
58- Ibrahim Mohammed Jamal Al-Dalou, 1 year old.
59- Jamal Al-Dalou, the grandfather.
60- Sulafa Al Dalou, 46 years old
61- Samah Al-Dalou, 25 years old
62- Tahani Al-Dalou, 50 years old
63- Ameina Matar Al-Mzanner, 83 years old.
64- Abdullah Mohammed Al-Mzanner, 23 years old.
65- Suheil Hamada
66-Mo’men Hamadan.
67- Atiyya Mubarak.68-
68- Samy Al-Ghfeir, 22 years old.
69- Mohammed Bakr Al-Of, 24 years old.

[Jedi_Mindset]

[Jedi_Mindset]

I want to remind now, face reality, dont stand back and wipe it off like a fly.

[GodIsAll]

Skye (and others):

Will you recommend a news source you deem more reputible?

[islamica]

Skye (and others):

Will you recommend a news source you deem more reputible?

http://twitter.com/harryfear

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/d...EfaiDnthjss5Vp

[islamica]

BRITS! Have you written to our MP?? Here's a step by step inc letter template:


1) Go to http://www.writetothem.com/ and enter your Post Code, selecting your MP. Enter your personal details.

2) Paste the following letter into the window: (adapt as you see fit)
I am contacting you as I am deeply concerned about the recent Israeli attack on Gaza. Israel has launched an unprovoked and extremely violent assault on the tiny coastal strip, home to over 1.7 million Palestinians, and one of the most densely populated areas on earth.

On Wednesday 14th November, Israel violated an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire by extra-judicially assassinating a leading Hamas commander and bombarding 20 targets in Gaza. Hamas is the democratically elected government of Palestine. This was the opening salvo of what the Israeli military calls 'Operation Pillar of Cloud'.

Human rights organisations - such as the internationally respected Palestinian Center for Human Rights, Al Haq and the Al Mezan Center For Human Rights - report that Israel is bombing Gaza indiscriminately. Civilians, being the main casualties, have been bearing the brunt of this assault; there have been numerous attacks on civilian dwellings, infrastructure and institutions resulting in many deaths and injuries. This amounts to collective punishment of the population, which is a war crime under the Fourth Geneva Convention. The count for infant casualties is nearing 30 and a whole family of 11, the Al-Dalou family, were wiped out as israel 'surgically' targeted their home. These are confirmed facts by journalists on the ground in Gaza. The same injured journalists whose towers were targeted last night along with International Committee of the Red Crescent paramedics.

For the last five years Gaza has been subjected to a siege and embargo by Israel, in violation of international law. Furthermore, despite Israel's unilateral withdrawal of its illegal settlements in Gaza in 2005, Gaza's status under International Humanitarian Law remains that of an Occupied Territory. This means that Palestinians are a protected people, whose de facto imprisonment constitutes in itself an ongoing condition of belligerence and violence imposed by Israel.

As the Occupying Power, Israel is under an obligation to take all necessary measures to protect the civilian population of the occupied territory. According to the rules of International Humanitarian Law, the Israeli military must at all times distinguish between civilian and military targets. In addition, Israel must adhere to the principle of proportionality, which states that any attack that may be expected to cause loss of civilian life, injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited.

I call on you to ask the Foreign Secretary, William Hague, to take concrete action to help secure an immediate end to both the Israeli attacks on Gaza, and its ongoing illegal blockade of the region. I believe the principal such action should be to call for the suspension of Israel from the Euro-Med Agreement, under which it is granted special EU trading privileges conditional on “respect for human rights” which is “an essential element of this Agreement”.

The fact that Israel has faced no sanction from the international community for its frequent and flagrant human rights abuses against Palestinians has emboldened it to launch this current assault. Israel commits crimes with impunity; I ask you to support an end to Israeli impunity, and to call for an end to the Israeli attack on Gaza.

Yours sincerely,

3) Once you preview and confirm, the service will send you a link to your email asking confirmation to send.

4) Check your email inbox, and spam box if req'd. Click on the link in the email to confirm. Keep the pressure on from all sides.

This letter is adapted from the Irish PSC template, please send us other templates you may have penned. Citizens of other states CAN adapt and send to their reps also. Let us know ho you get on.

https://www.facebook.com/activists.palestine


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About 500 Egyptian youths have just arrived to #Gaza in solidarity with the Palestinian people who is witnessing one of the most violent genocide crimes against humanity

LIVE PHOTO| The Egyptian activists who entered #Gaza this evening are now chanting "down down with Israel" in front of Al Shifaa Hospital .

LIVE PHOTO | 500 Egyptians are now present in Al Shifaa Hospital compound. entering Gaza through Rafah border.

Dalow Family Massacre:

[جوري]

Our martyrs are alive with their lord in the gardens of bliss, while their pigs rot in hell in shaa Allah!

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Thank you for agreeing with what I said and confirming my viewpoint. Strangely some people here think that the Palestinians have been preparing for this moment for the last 60 years.

Anyway with regards to your questions. I prefer to focus my time on things we can change rather than that which we can't like the past. Since most of your questions are about things which have already happened, nothing that you or I say can change that.

That's why being realistic has a lot of benefit. Let's focus on the future shall we?

I really dislike answering rhetorical questions so I'll give you the pleasure of answering them for me.

Your platitudes about 'moving on' and 'focusing on the future' are empty. How can you understand the present and plot a future course if you can’t understand what has happened in the past?

And on the 'rhetorical questions'. these are serious questions to answer that will impact on the future of the Gazan people. It’s understandable; these questions are hard to answer. The point is it shows how difficult their position is and defies easy answers.

Comments like they should be organised like Hezbollah are easier said than done given the vast advantages Hezbollah compared with Hamas (its took Hezbollah decades to get to the position they are now). Or that they should build up the economy when Israel (with tacit approval of western powers and some Arab powers as well) won’t allow it. Or that they shouldn’t provoke Israel (which they didn’t) doesn’t make sense when Israel will attack regardless. After all to qoute

“The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years.”

- Interior Minister Eli Yishai

The position of the people of Gaza is difficult if not impossible. Yet and yet they survive. Amazing to witness.

I’ll stop there, it’s difficult conveying tone over the internet so if I sound harsh apologies brother.

On a more positive note my family have made a donation to Islamic Relief in relation to the Gaza crises today. Let’s do all we can. This conflict will end because try as it might Israel has failed to subjugate the Palestinian people over the decades. Perhaps most importantly is losing its ability to create fear. Its constant resort to lethal violence is a sign of weakness not strength and with the world well aware of Israeli crimes it cannot keep committing them forever. Eventually they will have to come to a negotiated settlement with the Palestinian people if there is ever going to be peace.

[جوري]

on top of doing all we can from du3a and charity and psychological warfare back at the Zionists, we should take comfort in the noble book for its verses are ever transcendent:

وَلَا تَحْسَبَنَّ الَّذِينَ قُتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ أَمْوَاتًا ۚ بَلْ أَحْيَاءٌ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِمْ يُرْزَقُونَ {169}
[Pickthal 3:169] Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision.
فَرِحِينَ بِمَا آتَاهُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ وَيَسْتَبْشِرُونَ بِالَّذِينَ لَمْ يَلْحَقُوا بِهِمْ مِنْ خَلْفِهِمْ أَلَّا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ {170}
[Pickthal 3:170] Jubilant (are they) because of that which Allah hath bestowed upon them of His bounty, rejoicing for the sake of those who have not joined them but are left behind: That there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.
يَسْتَبْشِرُونَ بِنِعْمَةٍ مِنَ اللَّهِ وَفَضْلٍ وَأَنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُضِيعُ أَجْرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ {171}
[Pickthal 3:171] They rejoice because of favour from Allah and kindness, and that Allah wasteth not the wage of the believers.
الَّذِينَ اسْتَجَابُوا لِلَّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا أَصَابَهُمُ الْقَرْحُ ۚ لِلَّذِينَ أَحْسَنُوا مِنْهُمْ وَاتَّقَوْا أَجْرٌ عَظِيمٌ {172}
[Pickthal 3:172] As for those who heard the call of Allah and His messenger after the harm befell them (in the fight); for such of them as do right and ward off (evil), there is great reward.
الَّذِينَ قَالَ لَهُمُ النَّاسُ إِنَّ النَّاسَ قَدْ جَمَعُوا لَكُمْ فَاخْشَوْهُمْ فَزَادَهُمْ إِيمَانًا وَقَالُوا حَسْبُنَا اللَّهُ وَنِعْمَ الْوَكِيلُ {173}
[Pickthal 3:173] Those unto whom men said: Lo! the people have gathered against you, therefor fear them. (The threat of danger) but increased the faith of them and they cried: Allah is Sufficient for us! Most Excellent is He in Whom we trust!
فَانْقَلَبُوا بِنِعْمَةٍ مِنَ اللَّهِ وَفَضْلٍ لَمْ يَمْسَسْهُمْ سُوءٌ وَاتَّبَعُوا رِضْوَانَ اللَّهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ ذُو فَضْلٍ عَظِيمٍ {174}
[Pickthal 3:174] So they returned with grace and favour from Allah, and no harm touched them. They followed the good pleasure of Allah, and Allah is of Infinite Bounty.
إِنَّمَا ذَٰلِكُمُ الشَّيْطَانُ يُخَوِّفُ أَوْلِيَاءَهُ فَلَا تَخَافُوهُمْ وَخَافُونِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ مُؤْمِنِينَ {175}
[Pickthal 3:175] It is only the devil who would make (men) fear his partisans. Fear them not; fear Me, if ye are true believers.
وَلَا يَحْزُنْكَ الَّذِينَ يُسَارِعُونَ فِي الْكُفْرِ ۚ إِنَّهُمْ لَنْ يَضُرُّوا اللَّهَ شَيْئًا ۗ يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ أَلَّا يَجْعَلَ لَهُمْ حَظًّا فِي الْآخِرَةِ ۖ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ {176}
[Pickthal 3:176] Let not their conduct grieve thee, who run easily to disbelief, for lo! they injure Allah not at all. It is Allah's Will to assign them no portion in the Hereafter, and theirs will be an awful doom.

[glo]

BRITS! Have you written to our MP?? Here's a step by step inc letter template

I think petitioning politicians is a great way forward for those of us who can do little otherwise. Nothing like coming to work to thousands of angry (but informed) emails in your inbox. ;D

Thanks for sharing the link.

I didn't think you lived in the UK. Are there similar petitions in the US or other countries?

[islamica]

I think petitioning politicians is a great way forward for those of us who can do little otherwise. Nothing like coming to work to thousands of angry (but informed) emails in your inbox. ;D

Thanks for sharing the link.

I didn't think you lived in the UK. Are there similar petitions in the US or other countries?

your welcome. That came from facebook, there's a palestineactivitist page on there. As for the US, i did get this in the email the other day:



SIGN THIS PETITION

President Barack Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: Denounce Israel’s threats of a ground invasion in Gaza

Friends,

Pro-Israeli. Pro-Palestinian. Such labels have no place in this conversation. Sixty-eight and four hundred seventy-seven. Those figures are what is important here. Sixty-eight deaths and four hundred seventy-seven injuries (at the least) on both sides of the current escalated violence in Gaza and Israel. Friends, knowledge without action is worthless. I am asking you to not only lend your pen in an attempt to make a change, I am also asking that you market this petition within your respective networks. The power of numbers is a force to be reckoned with. Tunisia, Egypt..must I elaborate.

http://www.change.org/petitions/pres...vasion-in-gaza

Thanks for your support.

From the Old Testament: "It is not by strength that one prevails." [1 Samuel 2:9]
From the New Testament: "Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others." [Philippians 2:4]
From the Qu'ran: "O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allah, even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives." [Surat An-Nisa':135]

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And this happened also:


In an historic move that could initiate a domino effect across America’s campuses, the Associated Students of UC Irvine voted unanimously to divest from companies that profit from Israel’s occupation of Palestine, including from companies that contribute to illegal settlement construction in the occupied Palestinian territories.

University of California Irvine unanimously passed a resolution urging the University to withdraw its investment funds from Caterpillar, General Electric Company, Hewlett Packard, Raytheon, and other companies profiting from human rights violations in the occupied territories. The students also pledged to further examine UC assets for investments in companies that profit from human rights abuses anywhere in the world.

The resolution was drafted in response to the 2005 Palestinian civil society call for boycott, divestment and sanctions against Israel as a means to force it to comply with international law and end its occupation of the West Bank and Gaza; allow Palestinian refugees their internationally guaranteed right to return to their homes and villages; and grant equal rights to Palestinian citizens of Israel. Other divestment successes have occurred at Hampshire College and Evergreen State College, as well as the WeDivest campaign which focuses on pension fund giant TIAA CREF and has resulted in, among other things, the removal of Caterpillar from its Social Choice Funds.


To read the text of the legislation, go to http://www.asuci.uci.edu/legislative...v_branch=ASUCI

[جوري]

Petitions don't work and Obama' speech infuriated me.
I think Egypt, Tunisia, Libya etc whomever can at this stage fight along side Gazans with whatever they've we need an end to the problem not a bandaid on it!

[sister herb]

That reminded me about the teddy bear campaing I made after last war to the Gaza.

Teddy bears to the kids whose have lost everything.

Should I create new campaing?

:phew

[islamica]

Petitions don't work and Obama' speech infuriated me.
I think Egypt, Tunisia, Libya etc whomever can at this stage fight along side Gazans with whatever they've we need an end to the problem not a bandaid on it!

I agree, they are waste of ink on paper and deaf on the ears they fall. That's why I never fill one out. Just a list of names to give to them to show we are the people to keep an eye on. Besides, petitions are what they want you to do, they don't want you to pick up the sword and fight back.

[جوري]

83% of Israelis are pro killing children still wanna sign petitions?
Still think not all Israelis are like that? in shaa Allah, it is time to rid us of that cancer.. I am sick of the talk!

[Jedi_Mindset]

hitting gaza the media center but the brothers of pigs and apes are allowed to do so. With permission from US.

[Predator]

^^ and their ancestors were apes and pigs , to be precise

[جوري]

latest CNN poll states that Americans support Israelis 4:1 and 83% of Israelis think Children should be bombed. I think those are fighting words!

[Jedi_Mindset]

Nov. 19, 17:00 GMT: The death toll in Israel’s ongoing Pillar of Defense operation in Gaza stands at 101 following an Israeli airstrike east of the al-Bureij refugee camp which killed two. The dead were taken to the al-Aqsa hospital in Deir al-Balah, a local emergency services statement read.

Nov. 19, 14:40 GMT: Islamic Jihad says one of its top militant leaders, Ramiz Harb was killed in the airstrike on the Al-Sharouk media compound.
Nov. 19, 14:35 GMT: Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal told a media conference the Islamic resistance movement has no interest in an escalation of the ongoing conflict in Gaza. He says Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu, and not Hamas has called for a ceasefire.

[M.I.A.]

off topic but probably almost relevant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE2eW...e_gdata_player


came across this vid today,

the reaction of the children is a common reaction in muslim war zones.

i cant relate personally but i guess that those that have lived in struggle and unhappiness can.


...or maybe its for different reasons?

i have no idea.

[جوري]

Zionist squatter pigs have always been baby killers with your tax dollar and your approval:
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[islamica]

Death toll in conflict spirals past 100: Hamas leader on truce prospects: “Maybe never”



November 19, 2012 – MIDDLE EAST -U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon arrived in Cairo Monday to join Egypt-brokered talks between Hamas and Israel with a goal of agreeing on a cease-fire. There’s a real sense that with all the instability in the region – the civil war in Syria, protests in Jordan, militants in Libya – that an escalation in hostilities would have disastrous effects. Egyptian Prime Minister Hesham Kandil told the Reuters news agency that the talks were making progress and that he expected a cease-fire agreement to come in the next few days. However, at a press conference later in the day, Hamas leader-in-exile Khaled Meshaal showed no signs that an agreement was imminent, saying that it was Israel’s responsibility to stop a fight it had started and that Hamas would only agree to a truce if key demands were met. “We don’t accept Israeli conditions because it is the aggressor,” he told reporters in Egypt. “We want a cease-fire along with meeting our demands … Israel has to stop killing and assassinating our leaders. They have to stop the invasion and end the blockade on Gaza.” Israel is unlikely to agree to that for fear that lifting the blockade would allow weapons to flood into Gaza and into the hands of militants. After years of existing as an international pariah – with Syria and Iran as its primary allies – Hamas has been emboldened by the support it now receives from key regional powers such as Egypt, Turkey and Qatar. Meshaal warned that the Middle East has changed with the Arab Spring, and he called on Muslim countries to stand together against Israel. Asked by CBS News if Hamas wants peace with Israel, Meshaal responded with a message for the United States: “If God is willing, the American people will wake up and realize that it will benefit them to support the 350 million Arabs, not Israel, to be with the 1.5 billion Muslims and not Netanyahu’s gangs … Don’t reverse the picture. The killer should offer this peace, not the victim.” But amid the bluster and bravado, Meshaal’s very presence in Cairo for talks is a strong sign that Hamas would like to see a cease-fire. –CBS

[islamica]

latest CNN poll states that Americans support Israelis 4:1 and 83% of Israelis think Children should be bombed. I think those are fighting words!

From the mouth of the Israelis:

Since Hamas was democratically elected it makes everyone in Gaza a possible target.

Gaza should be leveled.

Every Palestinian should be mowed down....

( RT news reported members of Israeli Parliament)

[جوري]

From the mouth of the Israelis:

Since Hamas was democratically elected it makes everyone in Gaza a possible target.

Gaza should be leveled.

Every Palestinian should be mowed down....

( RT news reported members of Israeli Parliament)

Why are we so surprised? Zionism is Nazism only difference is the Palestenians are living through this bull for 60+ yrs while the spawn of Satan milked it for all they can and after a couple of yrs of alleged suffering!

:w:

[Prayer4life]

Allah subhana watala is filling his heaven with innocents, the evil zionists will reap what they sow and their time is getting closer. 'The chosen people' forget that god is with the oppressed NOT the oppressors.

[جوري]

'The chosen people' forget that god is with the oppressed NOT the oppressors.

Oh they believe that Allah can't do nothing about it..
you forget these are the people who said this about Allah swt:

Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread) [5:64]

[RECITE]

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Waqalati alyahoodu yadu Allahi maghloolatun ghullat aydeehim waluAAinoo bima qaloo bal yadahu mabsootatani yunfiqu kayfa yashao walayazeedanna katheeran minhum ma onzila ilayka min rabbika tughyanan wakufran waalqayna baynahumu alAAadawata waalbaghdaa ila yawmi alqiyamati kullama awqadoo naran lilharbi atfaaha Allahu wayasAAawna fee alardi fasadan waAllahu la yuhibbu almufsideena

5:64 The Jews say: "Allah's hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief.

[islamica]

hmm i'm unable to embed video for some reason.


http://youtu.be/IslKQ5hsKXE

[Aprender]

hmm i'm unable to embed video for some reason.


http://youtu.be/IslKQ5hsKXE

[islamica]

Note: more than 25 masjeds(Mosques) have been targeted and destroyed in all around Gaza Strip .In addition ,a church under construction has been totally damaged in Gaza city

around the world

Google says it's "Childhood day"..IOF made the impossible to wipe this term off in Gaza. Children are being massacred every day #Gaza Google is celebrating childhood day ,, to all our children in Gaza RIP. who have been Mutilated , Orphaned , Homeless by the merciless IOF Google is celebrating childhood day. That's pretty ironic. Children of Palestine are now being massacred, is that what childhood day about?

Till now in #gaza about 110 martyrs and more than 900 injury since the start of the attack and the crimes from the occupation forces

If you really want to help the people of Palestine/Gaza then start by not supporting Israel! Start by not funding the Terrorists and loading their guns to fire at innocent defenseless people. Don't just like, share and spread to make more people aware. Go to http://www.inminds.com/boycott-brands.html for more infoormation!

#Gazaunderattack Please share widely:
Since Israel’s creation in 1948, its political and military leaders have repeatedly violated ceasefires -- usually to to provoke their opponents into carrying out acts of violence that it can then exploit politically or use to justify its own aggressions, which are already planned. "Operation Pillar of Justice" is just one more instance in a long series. On Nov. 12, Palestinian factions in Gaza agreed to a truce following several days of violence. On Nov. 14, Israel broke it -- assassinating a top government official in Gaza and starting "Operation Pillar of Justice."
Thanks Dr.Ramy for sharing it with us!

[Endymion]

Death for Palestinian kids,death proof parks for Israeli kids.

http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=48127

94. Say to (them): "If the home of the Hereafter with Allah is indeed for you specially and not for others, of mankind, then long for death if you are truthful."

95. But they will never long for it because of what their hands have sent before them (i.e. what they have done). And Allah is All-Aware of the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers).

96. And verily, you will find them (the Jews) the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who - ascribe partners to Allah (and do not believe in Resurrection - Magians, pagans, and idolaters, etc.). Everyone of them wishes that he could be given a life of a thousand years. But the grant of such life will not save him even a little from (due) punishment. And Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

[Endymion]

And those too who were crying out and praying day and night for miracle baby Malala who rescued from two bullets shot in head,survived,recovered so rapid that after operation,she didn't need the bandage on her wounds and now she is reading books.Wish Israeli used the same armament against Palestinian kids Taliban used against Malala :hmm:

[Jedi_Mindset]

Nov. 20, 13: 49 GMT: IDF calls on residents of Gaza neighborhoods to evacuate, Ch. 2 Israel reporting.

Israel is prepping up for a ground invasion they already had planned in the first place.

[جوري]

I don't think so, btw they're no match for Palis on ground, that's the area where they excel!

[Jedi_Mindset]

I don't think so, btw they're no match for Palis on ground, that's the area where they excel!

True, they will be scared chickens when they walk through the small streets and ally, if israel indeed launches a ground attack they will be pushed back insha'Allah

[جوري]

more like they'll be slaughtered - they like their American counterparts in afghanistan etc. are only capable of carpet bombing not a man to man combat!

[Ramadhan]

By the way where are all the hurricane hardliners, who were negative repping people for the sob stories of kaffirs? No sadness here for entire families being annihilated at the hands of Zionists? All mum now I guess!

Then you know who the hypocrites are .....

Those people who demanded muslims to make du'a for safety of kaffirs, and were angry that some muslims refused to do so, are they now also demanding kaffirs to make du'a for safety of palestinian children? are they now angry that western society gives zilch care about the palestinians?

[Ramadhan]

Israel has broken 65 U.N. resolutions with no consequences, Iraq broke two and got invaded, bombed, and destroyed.

[جوري]

Then you know who the hypocrites are .....

Those people who demanded muslims to make du'a for safety of kaffirs, and were angry that some muslims refused to do so, are they now also demanding kaffirs to make du'a for safety of palestinian children? are they now angry that western society gives zilch care about the palestinians?

Here we're 11 pages later and even a word of sorrow of condolences to their brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers..
wa sob7an Allah!

[~Zaria~]

Assalamu-alaikum,

And those too who were crying out and praying day and night for miracle baby Malala who rescued from two bullets shot in head,survived,recovered so rapid that after operation,she didn't need the bandage on her wounds and now she is reading books.

Im sorry ukthi, but i think this was uncalled for.
Unless anyone can personally confirm the falsehood of this story, then why do we continue to pass such remarks?
Her initial recovery pics and the description of the line of entry of the bullet appear to fit together.

If we are not sure/ we have doubt about someones reputability - i think it would be better to remain silent on the matter.

To be honest, none of us here knows better....
Allah knows best.

By the way where are all the hurricane hardliners, who were negative repping people for the sob stories of kaffirs? No sadness here for entire families being annihilated at the hands of Zionists? All mum now I guess!

Then you know who the hypocrites are .....

Those people who demanded muslims to make du'a for safety of kaffirs, and were angry that some muslims refused to do so, are they now also demanding kaffirs to make du'a for safety of palestinian children? are they now angry that western society gives zilch care about the palestinians?

Its quite sad to see how muslims turn on one another - even in the midst of our ummah being in such desperation.
Does anyone know the reasons why certain posters have not posted as yet on this thread?
Do they know what those very people may directly be involved in to directly aid their brothers and sisters? vs. endless hours of talk?
Do they know what attempts they have already made to create awareness of the situation in Gaza?

So, how can they so quickly be labelled as 'hypocrites'?

Those people who demanded muslims to make du'a for safety of kaffirs, and were angry that some muslims refused to do so, are they now also demanding kaffirs to make du'a for safety of palestinian children? are they now angry that western society gives zilch care about the palestinians?

The people who mentioned (not demanded) that muslims can indeed make duaa for anyone (and not just for muslims) - will certainly not be in need of the prayers of the kaafirs.
For the prayers directed to anything but Allah are in vain.

But you already know this.

So, why the attack on those members of this forum who may hold different opinions from others?


Its no wonder that this ummah is in the state it is.
If we can not even see past our differences on a virtual platform, what hope do we have in real life?

[جوري]

ts no wonder that this ummah is in the state it is.

I'll agree with only this statement.
not sure what help there's otherwise in denigrating other Muslims with negative comments whilst being a no show in almost every event where Muslims are being slaughtered in large numbers. Or when in fact showing up only to demoralize those on the ground fighting for their very life.
It doesn't matter what you think they do on the quiet otherwise, and especially coming from someone who believes that an individual's inside is reflected on the outside!

This has nothing to do with judging someone.

But rather, ensuring that we are on the same page (or at least the same chapter) with respect to practising our deen.

I don't write any of this to be hurtful but to question the baseline morality!
so are we on the same chapter? I am not seeing it, least of which on those who expend all effort on useless ancillary topics and when support is truly needed and it is needed on all fronts especially the psychological aspects I see positively no effort.
So what conclusion is left there? You think people are free to voice their concerns well that's exactly what we're doing!


:w:

[~Zaria~]

I'll agree with only this statement.
not sure what help there's otherwise in denigrating other Muslims with negative comments whilst being a no show in almost every event where Muslims are being slaughtered in large numbers.


:w:

For the record ukhti, my comments on the hurricane thread in no way 'denigrated' any muslim - please read them again if you wish. And neither have I ever repped anyone negatively should they hold any view opposing my own. (In fact, i am yet to give a negative rep to anyone).

'being a no show in almost every event where Muslims are being slaughtered in large numbers.'

^ Truly is a generalisation. Insha Allah, refer to my previous posts.

This thread has been kept active by a handful of active members.
And the only mod to make a comment, related to the thread itself - himself, only made an entrance on page 11 of this thread.....to label his fellow members hypocrites.

Which would make all the other admin/ mods and members hypocrites as well?

Astagfirullah.

While the kuffar continue to plot and plan against us, we spend time criticising each other.

Im not upset.
Just disappointed.....


May Allah bind the hearts of this ummah together.
Ameen.

[جوري]

For the record ukhti, my comments on the hurricane thread in no way 'denigrated' any muslim - please read them again if you wish. And neither have I ever repped anyone negatively should they hold any view opposing my own. (In fact, i am yet to give a negative rep to anyone).

It is strange that you are under the impression that every observation made has you in mind, and obviously you'd have to to defend some pretty indefensible actions or lack thereof in this case. I don't have to consistently tell you that you're not the subject of interest!

^ Truly is a generalisation. Insha Allah, refer to my previous posts.

Truly your comments stem from paranoia and I too invite you to read to my posts in context!

This thread has been kept active by a handful of active members.
And the only mod to make a comment, related to the thread itself - himself, only made an entrance on page 11 of this thread.....to label his fellow members hypocrites.

He also didn't visit the other thread to neg. rep Muslims and call them inhumane, conspiracy theorists while listing for us the names of the hurricane victims. Let's try to be consistent is all we're asking!

While the kuffar continue to plot and plan against us, we spend time criticising each other.

it is indeed disappointing isn't it?

[~Zaria~]

I don't write any of this to be hurtful but to question the baseline morality!
so are we on the same chapter? I am not seeing it, least of which on those who expend all effort on useless ancillary topics and when support is truly needed and it is needed on all fronts especially the psychological aspects I see positively no effort.
So what conclusion is left there? You think people are free to voice their concerns well that's exactly what we're doing!


:w:

In which case we should close all other threads, including the advice/ support, Kitchen club, Photo thread.....and just focus on one topic?

Everyone is free to voice their concerns.....in the manner the find most befitting to them.
But, lets stop with the needless criticizing of fellow members please.

I honestly dont know why you seem to undertake this in so many threads.

:wa:

[Signor]

Not Again

Don't Ruin This Thread,Its an informative one

We are Muslims and We are not told to show How Big We Are

Assalamu Alaikum

[~Zaria~]

It is strange that you are under the impression that every observation made has you in mind, and obviously you'd have to to defend some pretty indefensible actions or lack thereof in this case. I don't have to consistently tell you that you're not the subject of interest!

Truly your comments stem from paranoia and I too invite you to read to my posts in context!

You respond directly under my quote, then imply that it is not directed at me?

Whatever you say sister.

You will always have some come-back, no matter how irrational.

As you please.

Wa-alaikumsalam

[جوري]

In which case we should close all other threads, including the advice/ support, Kitchen club, Photo thread.....and just focus on one topic?

This has no relevance to the topic!

Everyone is free to voice their concerns.....in the manner the find most befitting to them.
But, lets stop with the needless criticizing of fellow members please.

Indeed which is what we've done here!

I honestly dont know why you seem to undertake this in so many threads.

And what does that say of your harangue wherever I undertake this? It isn't itself a form of bizarre obsession to be rooting for vice or asking us to avert our vision to it while in the same breath sympathizing with the exact same but from the questionable end?
I truly don't understand your interjection in this thread to advise against that which you yourself are actively doing and then asserting that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Well this is our opinion!

[جوري]

You respond directly under my quote, then imply that it is not directed at me?

Rather all comments were made before you made an entrance to defend said behavior so how is it that you construe that any of them are about you? Speaking of irrational!

:w:

[Hulk]

What are the excuses people have given to justify these atrocities?

[جوري]

...............

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

[Mustafa2012]

Talk is cheap.

[جوري]

If we're guilty of voicing our opinion on a forum, then you're all guilty of the exact same!

I am curious as to what is reason in this case? we're all open to it!


Al-Hashr (The Gathering) [59:10]

Waallatheena jaoo min baAAdihim yaqooloona rabbana ighfir lana waliikhwanina allatheena sabaqoona bialeemani wala tajAAal fee quloobina ghillan lillatheena amanoo rabbana innaka raoofun raheemun

59:10 And those who came after them say: "Our Lord! Forgive us, and our brethren who came before us into the Faith, and leave not, in our hearts, rancour (or sense of injury) against those who have believed. Our Lord! Thou art indeed Full of Kindness, Most Merciful."


we're not the ones siding with kaffirs against Muslims and believe it or not if you can't do anything else at all then at least a word of truth uttered or in your heart is the lowest form of iman!

:w:

[Perseveranze]

What are the excuses people have given to justify these atrocities?

Asalaamu Alaikum,

From an Islamic point of view there is none. In truth, the Muslim nations are weak (economy, military) and are afraid of putting themselves in the line of fire to help Muslims. For this reason, no matter what Israel does, no Muslim nation is ever going to actually do something about it, they'll simply watch.

It is a case of love for the Dunya that enables us to tolerate contradicting our own Islamic principles. Maybe this is the reason why Allah(swt) put the Muslims in the state that we are in today. Maybe we're never to come out of this state until a Muslim nation for once decides to put their self interests aside, put faith in Allah(swt) and do the unthinkable.

Allah(swt) knows best. It's just, many Muslims are under the impression that we're weak now, but wait till we gain strength, power and money "like the olden days". But they don't realise that we're not going to regain anything if all we do is "wait". The Sahabah(ra) went out of Arabia and conquered the two power houses of their time, despite knowing how the odds were against them and that they are putting themselves in the line of fire (in fact, it was worst, because they knew that they would be given no choice, and that losing would mean their women are raped, children enslaved, men executed/tortured and so on). However, their imaan was extremely high, they had love only for the Ahkirah and for this reason, would go to battle against anyone with the belief that they could win with Allah(swt)'s support. In fact, as it is reflected in Umar(ra)'s letter to Sa'd(ra) - the early history of Islamic battles always had the Muslims outnumbered, less experienced and less militarily advanced - yet, somehow - victory was attained each time. Even Historians are baffled as to how this came to be;

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"The Arab conquests of the Seventh to Eighth Centuries AD, present one of the most interesting and perplexing problems of history. Their speed and performance, the immense size of the lands they covered, and most of all, the contrast between the methods used and the results produced have always been a source of wonder to historians, and it has taxed all their powers to find adequate explanation of them. The conquests have been described so frequently that they might seem a straightforward commonplace event, and yet some inexplicable and mysterious quality still underlies them. We see a horde of nomads with no military experience beyond that of desert skirmishes and bandit raids, who, at a given moment, embark on a phase of rapid expansion, confront and defeat the regular armies of great empires, advance irresistibly for thousands of miles from their native land and establish lasting control over the territories they have conquered." (Gabrieli, F. (1968) Muhammad and the Conquests of Islam, pg 103. Italian Trans. V. Luling & R. Linell, World Univ Library. NY, McGraw-Hill.)

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"…Muslim forces went on to campaigns of conquest that in less than a century created an empire extending from Spain to central Asia. How all this occurred and why it focussed on Muhammad, Makkah and the late sixth century are questions that Muslims took up themselves, and that have comprised a major concern of modern historical research" (Lawrence. I. Conrad, The Arabs, The Cambridge Ancient History, 2006, vol 14, p. 695).

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"The speed with which the eastern provinces of the Byzantine Empire succumbed to the Arabs remains to be explained by historians." (Andrew Louth, The Byzantine Empire in the seventh century, The New Cambridge Medieval History, 2005, vol 1, p. 298).

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The result of that is known, both Persia and Byzantine fell, along with that, the conquest of Spain and Jerusalem and many other parts of the world.

But today, people don't have that kind of faith. They believe based on their worldly logic that they will lose, and that nothing will be gained. Until this mentality doesn't change, people will always have excuses to justify atrocities against the Ummah.

[جوري]

Allah(swt) knows best. It's just, many Muslims are under the impression that we're weak now, but wait till we gain strength, power and money "like the olden days". But they don't realise that we're not going to regain anything if all we do is "wait". The Sahabah(ra) went out of Arabia and conquered the two power houses of their time, despite knowing how the odds were against them and that they are putting themselves in the line of fire. However, their imaan was extremely high, they had love only for the Ahkirah and for this reason, would go to battle against anyone with the belief that they could win with Allah(swt)'s support.

It is a true conundrum really that Saudi Arabia for instance wouldn't use their billion dollars worth of artillery if not themselves fighting along with their brothers and sisters but to at least arm them, or their oil to pressure the U.S with the same sanctions they impose on the weak and poor in our midst and they have no understanding of far worse times in Muslim history that we were able to overcome with just that faith and determination.
There were murtads, there were Persians with mighty empires and Romans just the same taken down in a matter of days, and again later with Fatimid shiites inside, crusaders on one side and Mongols on the other, they were swimming in Muslim blood in Al-Quds:

Wakaayyin min nabiyyin qatala maAAahu ribbiyyoona katheerun fama wahanoo lima asabahum fee sabeeli Allahi wama daAAufoo wama istakanoo waAllahu yuhibbu alssabireena

3:146 How many of the prophets fought (in Allah's way), and with them (fought) Large bands of godly men? But they never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's way, nor did they weaken (in will) nor give in. And Allah Loves those who are firm and steadfast.

The Quran has become for us a relic, and victory a form of history to reminisce about and criticism a form of political incorrectness that should be avoided to spare egos who wouldn't grant you similar courtesy

[Endymion]

Assalamu-alaikum,




Im sorry ukthi, but i think this was uncalled for.
Unless anyone can personally confirm the falsehood of this story, then why do we continue to pass such remarks?
Her initial recovery pics and the description of the line of entry of the bullet appear to fit together.

If we are not sure/ we have doubt about someones reputability - i think it would be better to remain silent on the matter.

And i was about to repeat the same mistake again :exhausted Thanks for the timely advice,Mustafa.

:salamext:

Don't waste precious time and try to reason with people who don't understand reason.

Some people seem to have an opinion about any and every thing under the sun and moon.

[جوري]

And i was about to repeat the same mistake again Thanks for the timely advice,Mustafa.

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“The believers are nothing else than brothers (in Islamic religion). So make reconciliation between your brothers, and fear Allaah, that you may receive mercy”
[al-Hujuraat 49:10]
And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ““The likeness of the believers in their mutual love, mercy and compassion is that of the body; when one part of it is in pain, the rest of the body joins it in restlessness and fever.”
” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6011) and Muslim (2586).
And Allaah knows best.


strange sensationalistic world isn't it?

I don't understand how anyone in their right mind can not get this?

:w:

[glo]

Then you know who the hypocrites are .....

Those people who demanded muslims to make du'a for safety of kaffirs, and were angry that some muslims refused to do so, are they now also demanding kaffirs to make du'a for safety of palestinian children? are they now angry that western society gives zilch care about the palestinians?

I don't know who this comment is aimed at ... but being one of the few kaffirs around at the moment, I feel qualified to reply.

I pray for Palestine every day, support pro-Palestine activist groups and have joint several petitions calling to stop Israel bombarding Gaza.
I have also been told by members here in no uncertain terms that those things are pointless and a waste of time, so I have given up posting about them.

What I will not do is join the hate-mongering that's going on in this thread. It's just not my way.
I pray for peace and reconciliation between Palestine and Israel, not the annihilation of either one of them ...

I don't feel that there is much left to say for me in this thread - but be assured that that does not mean that I don't care, don't wish to be able to help or are not interested!
And that my heart is not breaking, seeing the suffering of the people in Gaza! :cry:

[glo]

Not Again

Don't Ruin This Thread,Its an informative one

Assalamu Alaikum

I agree.
Yet again a thread is getting out of control with people throwing personal accusations at each other.

Let's keep our focus and our prayers on Gaza, rather than turning on each other. Peace, guys!

[جوري]

I don't know who this comment is aimed at .

His comment is aimed at Muslims who fight for the kaffirs with fervor yet haven't at least a word of condemnation or anger when Muslims are massacred around the clock!

I feel qualified to reply

In what capacity if you are not the subject of the thread and your du3a avails them naught?
Oh right the petitions!

best,

[Jedi_Mindset]

Nov. 20, 18:00 GMT: The IDF acknowledged the death of an Israeli soldier as a result of a rocket attack on Eshkol, an Israeli TV channel was quoted by Naharnet. The soldier was identified as 18-year old Yosef Fartuk. This brings the Israeli death toll from the assault on Gaza to 4.

Nov. 20, 18:55 GMT: More explosions and heavy shelling are being reported from Gaza. Some of the areas targeted are those where IAF leaflets were dropped earlier, RT's Paula Slier reports.

US is also blocking resolutions for cease fire options and resolution against israel.

[جوري]

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) — Turkey's prime minister is accusing Israel's leaders of trying to eliminate the Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip.
Recep Tayyip Erdogan says Israel's actions cannot be described as self-defense against Hamas rocket attacks, as the U.S. and other Israeli allies have done. He calls the offensive "terrorism."
The Turkish leader, speaking Tuesday in Parliament, called Israeli actions an "attempt at ethnic cleansing," a euphemism used to describe how violence can be used to force a population from an area.
Erdogan's comments came as Turkey's foreign minister and Arab League foreign ministers headed to Gaza to try to secure a truce.
Turkey is one of the few Muslim countries to have had good relations with Israel, but they collapsed after a deadly Israeli raid on the Gaza-bound aid ship in 2010.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...-death-in-gaza

[Jedi_Mindset]

Erdogan can only talk, but as long turkey is in the grip of the US and NATO turkey wouldnt do much.
However what he said is true.

[جوري]

Turkey has made many strides from military rule - anyone who opposed them before had his head chopped off by a military coup, he like the Egyptian guy inherited so much corruption which they have no choice but to work with and I have to commend them at least for a monumental effort. It isn't easy but it is a good head start.

[Jedi_Mindset]

Turkey has made many strides from military rule - anyone who opposed them before had his head chopped off by a military coup, he like the Egyptian guy inherited so much corruption which they have no choice but to work with and I have to commend them at least for a monumental effort. It isn't easy but it is a good head start.

And i think it will remain this way till muslims haver liberated costantinople Insha'Allah that will be soon.

[islamica]

where are all the pictures i posted yesterday? it seems my post has been deleted....

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

A Palestinian man kisses the hand of a dead relative in the morgue of Shifa Hospital in Gaza City on Nov. 18, 2012.

[Insaanah]

Israel has broken 65 U.N. resolutions with no consequences, Iraq broke two and got invaded, bombed, and destroyed.

Israel has invaded four countries during it's short and bloody existence on land it has occupied. Iraq invaded one, and was bombed flat, with sanctions imposed that resulted in the death of at least half a million Iraqi children. Israel meanwhile, for its invasions, gets rewarded with a pat on the back, more weapons, more money, told it needs to defend itself, and stronger support than before. It can prevent people getting medicines and medical care, food, and any kind of aid, bulldoze their houses, strip them of all dignity and humanity, and that is not a problem. It can attack foreign journalists without any particular fear of recrimination. Yet the world turns a blind eye to this rogue state. There were boycotts against South African produce and companies in the 80's simply because of discrimination against black people. What is going on here, is bordering on genocide of a particular group of people, but that seems not to matter. The rules don't apply to Israel.

[islamica]

[GuestFellow]

I don't think protests are going to work.

[IslamicRevival]

- You know the world has gone to pot when 21st century Nazis are allowed to massacre thousands of human beings without any consequences, they really dont have an ounce of humanity in them just like their father Dajjal.

- The likes of Turkey, Egypt and Iran are cowards, they have the ability to shoot and destroy every F16 that hovers over Gaza but they wont do it and one can only wonder why? They can talk all they want but their bite needs to be louder then their bark! And the less said about Saudi the better as they are the ultimate betrayers

- Al Mawt La Israel, Al Mawt La Israel, Al Mawt La Israel! ...The only solution to bring peace to the Middle east and entire world .

[جوري]

I don't think protests are going to work.

No protests nor petitions and frankly I wanna beat the crap out of anyone who says a two state solution and a peaceful co-existence.
Israel doesn't want for peace it wants for genocide!

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Heres a good debate about the current conflict



Another update

Gaza pounded despite truce talks with Israel in Cairo

Gaza has come under renewed bombardment from Israel, as agreement on a ceasefire to end a week of violence remains elusive.

At least 20 Palestinians were reported to have been killed on Tuesday. Two Israelis - a soldier and a civilian - were killed in rocket strikes.

Earlier, Egyptian and Palestinian officials said a ceasefire would shortly be announced at talks in Cairo. But Israeli spokesman Mark Regev told the BBC a deal was not yet done.

"I have no doubt that Hamas would be more than happy to have a temporary respite - a time out... so they could rest and re-arm and we would have missiles on Israel next week or next month. We are not interested in that," he said.

Late on Tuesday, a senior Hamas official, Izzat Risheq, said a deal might not be reached until the morning. The Israeli military said its renewed artillery fire had targeted "two terror operatives" in the central Gaza Strip.

It had earlier asked residents in villages around Gaza City to move to central areas for their own safety. Those killed in Gaza on Tuesday also included two journalists from a Hamas-linked TV channel.

In the early hours of Wednesday, the BBC's Lyse Doucet in Gaza tweeted "very loud explosions - electricity out".

The BBC's Rushdi Abualouf said a large part of Gaza had been blacked out.

A few hours earlier, French news agency AFP said a building in Gaza City housing its office was hit by an Israeli air strike. No staff members were injured.

The Israeli military later tweeted it had "surgically targeted a Hamas intelligence operations centre" on the seventh floor of a media building.

Also late on Tuesday, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrived in Israel, in an effort to support peace moves. She said she would work with Israel and Egypt on brokering a truce in Gaza "in the days ahead". She added that it was "essential to de-escalate the situation" in Gaza and welcomed Egyptian mediation efforts.

Mr Netanyahu said Israel would welcome a diplomatic solution but warned that he was ready to take "whatever action" was necessary. After late-night talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Mrs Clinton is due to travel to Ramallah in the West Bank and Cairo on Wednesday.

The Israeli army said about 150 rockets had been fired from Gaza towards Israel on Tuesday, and many had been intercepted by Israel's Iron Dome missile defence system. It also said one of its soldiers had been killed in the Eshkol area by a rocket - the first military fatality in the recent upsurge. An Israeli civilian working for the defence ministry was killed by another strike in the Negev desert.

Separately, Hamas fighters summarily executed six people on Tuesday afternoon, accusing them of being Israeli informers

One eyewitness told AFP news agency: "Gunmen in a minibus pulled up in the neighbourhood, pushed six men out and shot them without leaving the vehicle."

In another development, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused Israel of "ethnic cleansing" in Gaza.

Addressing MPs of his governing AK Party on Tuesday, he said Israel's bombardment could not be considered self-defence. Ties between Israel and Turkey have been strained since Israeli commandos boarded a Gaza-bound aid ship in 2010, sparking clashes that left nine Turkish activists dead.

Regional risk

Israel launched its offensive with the killing of a Hamas military leader last Wednesday. Israel says that assassination, and its subsequent offensive, aims to end rocket fire from Gaza. Gaza's health ministry says at least 130 Palestinians, many of them civilians, have died since last Wednesday. Three Israeli civilians died last Thursday in the Israeli town of Kiryat Malachi.

The contents of the ceasefire plan brokered by Egypt are not known, but both Israel and Hamas have presented conditions.

Israel's demands include no hostile fire of any kind from Gaza and international efforts to prevent Hamas from re-arming, while Hamas is demanding an end to the blockade on Gaza and targeted killings by Israel.

Israeli troops are massed along the border, raising fears of a ground offensive similar to that of 2008-09.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon met Arab League Chief Nabil al-Arabi in Cairo on Tuesday, before heading for Israel.

During a joint news conference with Mr Netanyahu, Mr Ban condemned Palestinian rocket attacks but urged Israel to show "maximum restraint".

"Further escalation benefits no-one," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20420346

[IslamicRevival]

No protests nor petitions and frankly I wanna beat the crap out of anyone who says a two state solution and a peaceful co-existence.
Israel doesn't want for peace it wants for genocide!

Not sure if its wise to beat anyone up but yes, we want a ONE state solution where Palestine is back on the world map and the rightful owners of the sacred land, the Palestinians are in power. The Israelis can go squat in America someplace or crawl in some gutter far away from the rest of humanity.

[islamica]

No protests nor petitions and frankly I wanna beat the crap out of anyone who says a two state solution and a peaceful co-existence.
Israel doesn't want for peace it wants for genocide!

as much as i hate to say it, i don't think this is the end of israel. i think we will continue to see this injustice and oppression until the appointed time when muslims will get up and travel to gaza and free it themselves.

[جوري]

I really want to be hopeful that this event would start a domino effect that would move the entire Muslim world into some sort of awakening and a one forceful fist as opposed to what it is now.. as they say in Arabic, roba daratein nafi3a. We've to wait and watch now and make loads of du3a.

[islamica]

I think each event is bigger than previous one was and the occurrence is also starting to speed up. Now that US elections are over, we will see more things happening soon. Things are going to get messy in the near future.

[Perseveranze]

That cracked me up lol

[جوري]

lol.. well I don't have a twitter account but I'd love to favorite that al qassam tweet. ;D

[Perseveranze]

lol.. well I don't have a twitter account but I'd love to favorite that al qassam tweet. ;D

Lol yeah.

For those that don't know, Al Qassam represent the resistance fighters in Gaza. It's a good twitter to follow to get a lot of quick updates on what's happening etc.

The IDF twitter shown in the picture, represents the Israel military, which as you can typically guess, has an immense amount of propoganda. They recently showed a video of them throwing a bomb at a target that was near a mosque and tweeted; "look, we never destroyed the mosque!" - and this came out minutes after they bomb a house where 9 civilians died, 6 of them children.

Anyways, Al Qassam twitter was created to counter-act against IDF's twitter. It's interesting, how social media technology is used in war today.

[Roasted Cashew]

No protests nor petitions and frankly I wanna beat the crap out of anyone who says a two state solution and a peaceful co-existence.

Two state solution on 1967 borders and a peaceful co-existence is the only way forward. Settle on a compromise for God sake. Palestinians can't settle disputes among themselves that they are now divided into two factions...how are they gonna settle disputes with Israel?

[Perseveranze]

Two state solution on 1967 borders and a peaceful co-existence is the only way forward. Settle on a compromise for God sake. Palestinians can't settle disputes among themselves that they are now divided into two factions...how are they gonna settle disputes with Israel?

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Whatever is currently best for the Palestinians until Allah(swt) knows best.

But never forget something, that goes well beyond Palestinians;

---

Some very rich Jews at the time saw a weakened Islamic State and looked to try and buy Palestine from the Caliphate (Sultan Abdul Hamid ||, the last Caliphate of Islam). They tried to set up a meeting with the him (but got turned away), with a letter stating these words;

” Please advise Dr Hertzel not to make any serious move in this matter. I cannot give up even one small patch of land in Palestine. It is not something that I own as a part of my personal estate. “Palestine in fact belongs to the Muslim Nation as a whole. My people have fought with their blood and sweat to protect this land, so let the Jews keep their millions and once the Khilafah is torn apart one day, then they can take Palestine without a price. To have the scalpel cut my body is less painful than to witness Palestine being detached from the Khilafah state and this is not going to happen …”

Letter - http://alsunna.org/gallery/data/medi...mid_letter.jpg

---

With that, whether Israel wipes Gaza of the map or not, Muslims until the very end of our existence, will never cease to retake Jerusalem. At every opportunity we get, we'll go for it. This is something Israel will never forget, and has acknowledged, that as long as there are Muslims, Israel will never be able to rest.

And that's the reality of it, there can never be any true peace, with the existence of Israel - only temporary "cease fires".

[Roasted Cashew]

Muslims until the very end of our existence, will never cease to retake Jerusalem.

Since when we Muslims have a love affair with a piece of land. God will not send you to hell for not retaking a piece of land. Why is Jerusalem worth giving thousands of lives for? Does the Noble Qur'an state that we Muslims must own it? Anyway, in a two state solution, half of Jerusalem should ideally be under Palestinian governance.

[جوري]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Whatever is currently best for the Palestinians until Allah(swt) knows best.

But never forget something, that goes well beyond Palestinians;

---

Some very rich Jews at the time saw a weakened Islamic State and looked to try and buy Palestine from the Caliphate (Sultan Abdul Hamid ||, the last Caliphate of Islam). They tried to set up a meeting with the him (but got turned away), with a letter stating these words;

” Please advise Dr Hertzel not to make any serious move in this matter. I cannot give up even one small patch of land in Palestine. It is not something that I own as a part of my personal estate. “Palestine in fact belongs to the Muslim Nation as a whole. My people have fought with their blood and sweat to protect this land, so let the Jews keep their millions and once the Khilafah is torn apart one day, then they can take Palestine without a price. To have the scalpel cut my body is less painful than to witness Palestine being detached from the Khilafah state and this is not going to happen …”

Letter - http://alsunna.org/gallery/data/medi...mid_letter.jpg

---

With that, whether Israel wipes Gaza of the map or not, Muslims until the very end of our existence, will never cease to retake Jerusalem. At every opportunity we get, we'll go for it. This is something Israel will never forget, and has acknowledged, that as long as there are Muslims, Israel will never be able to rest.

And that's the reality of it, there can never be any true peace, with the existence of Israel - only temporary "cease fires".

It is alarming what little understanding of geopolitics, and worse yet of religion some of these individuals who label themselves 'Muslims' have. In lieu of quoting the Quran they quote empty rhetoric and meaningless slogans and no realization of just how superficial and injurious the crap they repeat ergo the Zionist mouth piece or its impact.
Thankfully they're not the ones making decisions but I can certainly see them working as spies and sell outs for the right price or even for free to assimilate' in societies where they can never reach east or west!

33:60 Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City, desist not, We shall certainly stir thee up against them: Then will they not be able to stay in it as thy neighbours for any length of time:

there's certainly something to be said of all three groups and those who reflect the same ideology today!

:w:

[Roasted Cashew]

It is alarming what little understanding of geopolitics, and worse yet of religion some of these individuals who label themselves 'Muslims' have. In lieu of quoting the Quran they quote empty rhetoric and meaningless slogans and no realization of just superficial the crap they repeat ergo the Zionist mouth piece and its impact.

Why is Jerusalem worth giving thousands of lives for? Does the Noble Qur'an state that we Muslims must own it? Anyway, in a two state solution, half of Jerusalem should ideally be under Palestinian governance.

Thankfully they're not the ones making decisions

Yea, because those who are making decisions have done such a tremendous job.

certainly see them working as spies

You have an eyesight of an eagle...Nah, even eagles can't look into the future.

[جوري]

Why is Jerusalem worth giving thousands of lives for? Does the Noble Qur'an state that we Muslims must own it? Anyway, in a two state solution, half of Jerusalem should ideally be under Palestinian governance.

The lives aren't being given up for a land but for principal I don't expect that you've any understanding of that, or of history or of religion!

Yea, because those who are making decisions have done such a tremendous job.

I imagine most of the despots in the Muslims world to reflect your personality and sickness!

You have an eyesight of an eagle...Nah, even eagles can look into the future.

Al7mdullilah the signs will unravel as Allah swt declared if people are true to their religion and those who aren't will enjoy their life for a while and be rendered with those they love and admire.

best,

[islamica]

why was Pakistan worth giving giving thousands of lives for? how can you not see someone coming from another continent to take your land by force and think it's ok?

the quote of stephen hawking fits you well, you should ponder over it before using it so carelessly.

[جوري]

the land of Palestine was "supposedly" promised to the seed of
Abraham. If one researches the Ancient Hebrew laws, the right of decent or
inheritance is based on the eldest son, no matter whom the mother is. If
this is the case, then the land was promised to Ishamel (for he was the
eldest of Abraham's sons) and the Father of Palestinian Arabs. In addition,
modern day Jews from Russia, Poland and most parts of Eastern Europe have NO
genetic link to the ancient Hebrews - they for the most part are decendents
of Khazars, who converted to Judaism in the 7th century (this has been
documented by Jewish scholars, not Arabs). The modern day Palestinians can
claim a more direct link to the Hebrew tribes than the founders of modern day
"Israel." What the Western Press purposely avoids mentioning is the fact
that at the start of the 20th century, less than 5% of the land of Palestine
was Jewish. The modern State of Israel was built on lands illegally taken and
assimilated from Palestinian Christians and Muslims. Also, the Hebrews only
ruled the land of Palestine for a combined 411 years - the Muslims have ruled
the land for 1,500 years. In addition, the land of Canaan (Palestine) had a
history long before the Jewish tribes immigrated to the area.
Abraham PBUH BOUGHT a land from the people of Canaan to bury Sarah and he wasn't some Polish Jew, he's from what is known as modern day Iraq and his ancestry is from what is modern day Yemen. We can't say that about any of the squatters or the terrorists that brought them the 'Haganah, Irgun and Stern gang'
It is almost an insult to engage in a conversation being so ill versed in the subject and worse yet having so little care!

[CosmicPathos]

roasted cashew is one of those Humsafar-struck naive softy Pakistani cultural Muslim.

[Independent]

I believe a violent strategy is the wrong way to achieve a free Palestine for the following reasons.

Firstly, Gaza is in no way capable of fighting a proper war against Israel by itself and never will be. To enter into a conflict without previously agreeing support from other Arab states is – literally - suicidal.

Hamas has committed itself to a war strategy. It spends about 30% of GDP on arms (compared to just 1% on agriculture). This is probably the highest rate in the world and more than 6 times that of the supposedly warmongering US (4.7%). However, because Gaza is so poor it still doesn’t add up to much of an army. What it does add up to is an economic situation that’s even worse than it needs to be.

Worse still, Hamas have chosen to spend the money they can’t afford mainly on rockets. These rockets are of no military significance. They are so hopelessly inaccurate that large areas are the only realistic target. Civilians are therefore mostly what they hit. So far in this conflict they have fired well over a 1,000 rockets into Israel and hit…one soldier. Imagine yourself as a military commander. Do you think you’re going to win?

The reason Hamas have chosen this weapon is because it enables them to make gestures of defiance against Israel. But gestures is all they are. They are (very expensive) purely symbolic weapons.

Worse still, the presence of these weapons guarantees that Israel will attack central Gaza. What is the point of these weapons, if it isn’t military?

By using these weapons Hamas plays into the hands of Israeli propaganda. It allows Israel to say that no state can tolerate its neighbor lobbing missiles into its towns and cities whenever it feels like it.

The real war - the war that can actually be won - is being fought out in the battle of world opinion. The rockets do far more damage to Hamas’s propaganda position than they ever do to Israel. Even if there were 200,000 rockets instead of 2,000, it would not bring a military solution one inch closer. But it would certainly destroy world sympathy.

Hamas should change its policy from blood sacrifice to one of converting world opinion. They should orchestrate a campaign of economic boycotts, civil disobedience and political pressure. They should also focus their attention on governing Gaza in an exemplary way. Make it a shining example to the world. Show how Israel could be under Palestinian rule. Use new media far more effectively than they are now. The opportunities for influencing popular opinion are totally different from even just 10 years ago, they need to use their imagination. Shooting ‘traitors’ in the street does not advance this.

And what’s the alternative? Even if all the neighbouring states joined in and Palestine is recovered, it will be at the cost of hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives across the region. The 100 odd lives that have been lost in the last week will be as nothing. It could lead to the total destruction of symbolic centres like Jerusalem. And that’s actually the best that could happen! In practice it’s more likely to lead to military defeat and the severe destabilization of every Arab state that involves itself.

Will non-violent methods work? They have in another countries where outright military resistance was not feasible. How can a non violent strategy be any less successful than what's happening now?

[جوري]

Will non-violent methods work?

NO, Israel must be annihilated!
Its enemies are numerous and its end approaching in shaa Allah. The whole middle east is changing around it and regardless of governments the people have a deep seething hatred that is unlikely to change merely because the Israel and its poodles campaign on TV for it with false propaganda!
have a look at what the spawn of Satan are actually doing and you'll have an understanding why your silly analysis is full of hot air!
We don't campaign to change world opinion on what rightfully belongs to us. It isn't our job to dispel rumors Israel and its wh0res created.

[Roasted Cashew]

roasted cashew is one of those Humsafar-struck naive softy Pakistani cultural Muslim.

Dude, my female cousins forced me to watch it.. Wasn't that bad though. Don't agree on the naive and softy part though.

[Roasted Cashew]

The lives aren't being given up for a land but for principal

But when "Perseveranze" says:

Muslims until the very end of our existence, will never cease to retake Jerusalem. At every opportunity we get, we'll go for it.

doesn't really sound like principal to me. More like a land grab competition. I asked that question with this context in mind.

[Roasted Cashew]

why was Pakistan worth giving giving thousands of lives for?

Well technically Gandhi used non-violence to gain Independence from the British Raj. The Muslims of the subcontinent had a strong political party and diplomatically convinced Gandhi and most of the other big players of that time to form Pakistan. Technically nobody gave their life for it for it's formation. Yes, later during the mass migration, racial tensions flared and many died of the result but that is different, not equal to giving your life for Pakistan.

[جوري]

But when "Perseveranze" says:


doesn't really sound like principal to me. More like a land grab competition. I asked that question with this context in mind.

Yours isn't the measuring stick by which anyone operates.

best,

[جوري]

It is like the political analyst said today, Israel has shown the world it owns weapons and can fire randomly and without purpose but it has also shown thoughtlessness and no understanding of political strategy!

[Ramadhan]

Its quite sad to see how muslims turn on one another - even in the midst of our ummah being in such desperation.
Does anyone know the reasons why certain posters have not posted as yet on this thread?
Do they know what those very people may directly be involved in to directly aid their brothers and sisters? vs. endless hours of talk?
Do they know what attempts they have already made to create awareness of the situation in Gaza?

So, how can they so quickly be labelled as 'hypocrites'?

:sl:

I didn't have any one poster here in mind at all. Seriously.

I was talking about muslims I know in real life. I know those type of people. Those who spend their entire life trying to appease the west and look down on their brothers and sisters in Islam who are more "traditional".

If they don't think they are hypocrites, you are welcome to your opinion.

Its no wonder that this ummah is in the state it is.
If we can not even see past our differences on a virtual platform, what hope do we have in real life?

I hope you can also see past our differences, no?

[Ramadhan]

Since when we Muslims have a love affair with a piece of land. God will not send you to hell for not retaking a piece of land. Why is Jerusalem worth giving thousands of lives for? Does the Noble Qur'an state that we Muslims must own it? Anyway, in a two state solution, half of Jerusalem should ideally be under Palestinian governance.

Do you accept peacefully if I go to your own house, then violently force you to retreat to a toilet, then offer that you can govern part of living room (but without any furnitures)?

[Roasted Cashew]

Do you accept peacefully if I go to your own house, then violently force you to retreat to a toilet, then offer that you can govern part of living room (but without any furnitures)?

HELL NO!!:raging:

[Ramadhan]

Well technically Gandhi used non-violence to gain Independence from the British Raj. The Muslims of the subcontinent had a strong political party and diplomatically convinced Gandhi and most of the other big players of that time to form Pakistan. Technically nobody gave their life for it for it's formation. Yes, later during the mass migration, racial tensions flared and many died of the result but that is different, not equal to giving your life for Pakistan.

You use Gandhi as example.

Please enlighten me.

Did the brits force all subcontinent people to leave their homes, and segregated them in areas which were akin like open air prisons, and eliminate all their rights?

[Ramadhan]

HELL NO!!:raging:

Then you must know how the palestinians feel.

[جوري]

Hamas has executed four informers by firing squad, and about a dozen more are on death row in Gaza.

[islamica]

doesn't really sound like principal to me. More like a land grab competition. I asked that question with this context in mind.

Why is Jerusalem worth giving thousands of lives for? Does the Noble Qur'an state that we Muslims must own it? Anyway, in a two state solution, half of Jerusalem should ideally be under Palestinian governance.

"To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to defend themselves), because they are wronged - and verily, Allah is Most Powerful to give them victory - (they are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right - (for no cause) except that they say, 'Our Lord is Allah'.... " 22:39-40


"Fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress limits. Lo! Allah loves not aggressors. ... And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against transgressors." 2:190,193


"If you fear treachery from any group, throw back (their treaty) to them, (so as to be) on equal terms. Lo! Allah loves not the treacherous." 8:58


And don't be weak in the pursuit of the enemy; if you are suffering (hardships) then surely, they (too) are suffering (hardships) as you are suffering, but you have a hope from Allâh (for the reward, i.e. Paradise) that for which they hope not, and Allâh is Ever All*Knowing, All*Wise. 4.104

Well technically Gandhi used non-violence to gain Independence from the British Raj. The Muslims of the subcontinent had a strong political party and diplomatically convinced Gandhi and most of the other big players of that time to form Pakistan. Technically nobody gave their life for it for it's formation. Yes, later during the mass migration, racial tensions flared and many died of the result but that is different, not equal to giving your life for Pakistan.

"Fighting is prescribed upon you, and you dislike it. But it may happen that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. And Allah knows and you know not." 2:216

"And why should you not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women, and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You, one who will protect; and raise for us from You, one who will help'." 4:75

That is the right religion, so wrong not yourselves therein, and fight against the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) collectively, as they fight against you collectively. 9.36


I think you should read the Quran more often, especially at times other than just Ramadan.

[Roasted Cashew]

Then you must know how the palestinians feel.

Of course I do. What suggested to you that I don't?

[Roasted Cashew]

You use Gandhi as example.

Please enlighten me.

Did the brits force all subcontinent people to leave their homes, and segregated them in areas which were akin like open air prisons, and eliminate all their rights?

I was answering to lives being shed for the formation of Pakistan statement. Hence I only used it in Pakistan's context. Wasn't suggesting it as a model for the Palestinians.

Brits did use segregation but other than that, some would argue they were the best thing ever happened to the subcontinent. They were greedy but they also did a lot of development. The only railway tracks that exist in Pakistan are from the times of the Brits. Sad but true.

[جوري]

Railroads were erected so folks can go worship Ghulam mirzah.
You're such a cad walhi I can't believe anyone is that dense!
Nothing the British did, was done out of love, to create peace or fix conflict. In fact just the opposite!

[Ramadhan]

Of course I do. What suggested to you that I don't?

Did I misunderstand you?

I thought you proposed that the Palestinians should accept two state solution (and not sure with which borders?) and to divide Jerusalem into two?

Or did you just miss the point of my analogy altogether?

[Jedi_Mindset]

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No two-state solution, never it can be, the israeli population, atleast the majority are against palestinians if a two state solution will ever exist it will be like yugoslavia, still skirmishes, fights and hate against each other.


Its one or the other, the palestinians have the right to take their land back and no zionist should stay there. If jerusalem is liberated then the jews need to go, go back to europe, ofcourse not forced but the way salahuddin(Ra) did.

Its a muslim issue, not a palestinian nor a arab issues, one of the three holiest masjids is occupied by kufar. And its a duty of a muslim to respond and act against oppression everywhere.

[Roasted Cashew]

Railroads were erected so folks can go worship Ghulam mirzah.
You're such a cad walhi I can't believe anyone is that dense!
Nothing the British did, was done out of love, to create peace or fix conflict. In fact just the opposite!

Who cares why they were built? Mostly maybe to transport goods and stuff. What we know is that our own so called Muslim government not only couldn't expand the railroads but could hardly maintain the old ones. So much so that many trains are now completely shut out of business.

[Roasted Cashew]

1. Is it true that Hamas conceals and fires its weapons from civilian buildings (such as schools and hospitals) in Gaza? I hear that a lot when confronting anti-Palestinian racists...

2. What about this very common assertion that Gazans are Egyptians and West Bankers are Jordanian. How do you refute this?

[Jedi_Mindset]

1. Is it true that Hamas conceals and fires its weapons from civilian buildings (such as schools and hospitals) in Gaza? I hear that a lot when confronting anti-Palestinian racists...

2. What about this very common assertion that Gazans are Egyptians and West Bankers are Jordanian. How do you refute this?

1. No Hamas mostly fires from open areas or its own facilities, barely schools or family homes.
2. palestinians actually origin from the originial population who were the canaanites but its very mixed now with alot of arabs living there. much arab tribes already lived in palestine before the muslims conquered Jerusalem.

[Roasted Cashew]

Hamas mostly fires

That means it does sometimes fire from schools and hospitals??

[Jedi_Mindset]

That means it does sometimes fire from schools and hospitals??

I really dont know that, but i dont think they fire from such places, every vid i have seen from them were filmed in open areas. not really in gaza city itself

[Signor]

Assalamu Alaikum Roasted Cashews

You should read comparative history before coming up with things like two states theory.Most of the Jews who lives in Israel now came from other places of the world.Bait-ul-Maqdas used to be a place of Muslims,Christians and Jews.Its was none other than Umar(R.A) who allowed Jews to come in and worship after It has been surrendered in his(R.A) era(previously they have been banned from it by Roman empire).I myself is in favor of peace more than anyone else,you can't justify war by any mean and here you are three to four days conflict 4 Israelis Killed and more than 100 Palestinians.The so called peace maker's hands are already covered with bloods who will gonna stop them.Want to know something Sudan one of the biggest Muslim country in Africa and Indonesia one of the biggest over the world....now we have Two Sudans and Two timur,Done by whom?same powers who couldn't resolve Israel-Palestine conflict(See the two faces).Get you facts straight and don't buy the hype...!!

[Roasted Cashew]

Did I misunderstand you?

I thought you proposed that the Palestinians should accept two state solution (and not sure with which borders?) and to divide Jerusalem into two?

I would be mad..I would be raging with anger but knowing how strong the opposition is being one of the very advanced militaries in the world and backed by literally the strongest military in the world, US... whatever comes my way, I would accept for the time being. Wouldn't it be better to have some part of my house than nothing at all?? Maybe when I am capable of actually winning against them, I would go all out and reclaim my entire house.???

[جوري]

Who cares why they were built? Mostly maybe to transport goods and stuff. What we know is that our own so called Muslim government not only couldn't expand the railroads but could hardly maintain the old ones. So much so that many trains are now completely shut out of business.

they are actually the reason you don't have an Islamic govt. And perpetuating false ideology is part of that agenda. They've thrown you a bone but a poisoned one. If you step back from this and don't become too involved with Islam but look at Hong Kong, or China, or even the African nations currently undergoing genocide from the inside due to tribalism and nothing at all to do with religion and where Belgium after it left exercised the agenda of minority controlling a majority you'd have a better understanding of both the socio-economic and geopolitical situation in the world at large. And then you can come and share your points of view. But to speak out of utter ignorance is completely unacceptable .. can't you do the most minor research?

[sister herb]

I read today interview of family in Gaza where zionists had bombed and even they said they haven´t never seen any from Hamas would launched missiles from they area.

About the other question, if you ask it from Palestinian they will say it is just nonsense claim something like that - zionist propaganda. I have talked about it with one Palestinian lives in my country, he is orioginally from Al-Quds (Jerusalem), bornt before 1948 and told Palestinians origin is just Palestinian. Like they dialect of language is not similar than Jordanians or Egyptians and they had country (under British mandate) with own money etc. Idea to claim the West Bankers would be Jordanians base to plans of zionists to deport Palestinians to Jordan and take also that land to zionists only.

More true is many zionists are from Europe and many also from areas of Russia.

[Roasted Cashew]

they are

who are??

They've thrown you a bone but a poisoned one

which in laymen terms mean? What exactly are you referring to?

I see that you have a good thing with words and essay writing skills with very eloquent English but please be more direct because it takes up so much time to decrypt what you write!!

[جوري]

Follow the flow of the thread it is really not that difficult.

best,

[GuestFellow]

I would be mad..I would be raging with anger but knowing how strong the opposition is being one of the very advanced militaries in the world and backed by literally the strongest military in the world, US... whatever comes my way, I would accept for the time being. Wouldn't it be better to have some part of my house than nothing at all?? Maybe when I am capable of actually winning against them, I would go all out and reclaim my entire house.???

Asslamu Aliakum,

I see where you are going with this. Live to fight another day? If I was a Palestinian, I would leave and find another way to stop Israelis.

[IslamicRevival]

Two state solution on 1967 borders and a peaceful co-existence is the only way forward. Settle on a compromise for God sake.

How can Palestinians peacefully co exist with bloodthirsty 21st century Nazis who occupy their land? Would you negotiate with someone who broke into your residence, took complete control of your assets and then suggested a truce whereby everything is split into two halves?

Would you accept that? Or would you teach that thief a lesson by fighting for what is yours?

Palestinians can't settle disputes among themselves that they are now divided into two factions...how are they gonna settle disputes with Israel

The entire world knows Israel doesn't want peace, they claim they want peace and a resolution in the way of a two state solution but then sabotage the whole thing by unleashing their devil forces on the people of Gaza. Yassar Arafat (May Allah grant him Jannah) struck a peace deal with Israel years ago but the Israelis slithered their way out of it by killing him, Hamas were close to negotiating some sort of deal just recently but again the Israelis bombed Gaza just to avoid going ahead with the peace deal.

Long-term peace was within reach before Israeli attack
http://rt.com/news/peace-settlement-hamas-israel-882/

Since when we Muslims have a love affair with a piece of land.

Muslims have always had deep love for sacred land, take for example the two blessed cities in Arabia, Makkah, Madinah (SubhanAllah!) and Jerusalem in Palestine where Masjid Al Aqsa is situated. We have a special attachment to these three incredible places and if you think otherwise..i really don't know what to say.

Why is Jerusalem worth giving thousands of lives for?

Earning the status of a Martyr whilst fighting for Jerusalem is worth more then anything in the world.

[IslamicRevival]

Cristiano Ronaldo donates €1.5mn to children in Gaza (Nov 2012)
http://rt.com/sport/football/ronaldo...al-madrid-237/

Real Madrid's Cristiano Ronaldo donates £2,000 to Palestinian children (Nov 2011)
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3277/...to-palestinian

We are all with Palestine

I'm shocked, my respect for this man has just gone through the roof

Iran confirms military aid to Hamas, sending long-range missile technology
http://rt.com/news/iran-hamas-aid-missile-256/

Bravo Iran, Keep on firing.

[sister herb]

If there ever will comes some kind of two state solution, zionists are already plan they don´t follow 1967 borders but lines of that separation wall - what takes from Palestinians a lot of more land away. Even right now the West Bank is sieged area as they haven´t free borders with Jordan. Now they have negotiated these things from Oslo Agreement (1993), almost 20 years. I wouldn´t be surprise if they would make same also next 20 years...

Like Vision mentioned secred lands and cities, would we really say "oh that is just land, not important" if someone like zionists some day will bomb Mekka and Kaaba?

^o)

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

إِنَّا لِلّهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعونَ

One of the saddest things I've read...

[Perseveranze]

Ceasefire has come into place;

Paul Danahar BBC News, Gaza tweets: The looks on the faces of the Israeli Prime Minister, defence minister & foreign minister do not look like they think they've won a victory

Jon Donnison BBC News, Gaza tweets: #gaza streets come to life again. car horns, cheering, traffic and gunfire.

1927: Celebratory gunfire has been reported in Gaza City following the ceasefire agreement coming into place

Looks like Israel lost.

[sister herb]

The copy of cease fire agreement:

[glo]

This morning I was listening to the newsreader on BBC 4 who gave a very brief update on the Gaza situation, saying that despite the proposed ceasefire attacks had continued overnight and that at least 20 Palestinians had died as a result. She also said that Israel claimed that one civilian and one soldier in Israel had died during the ONGOING rocket attacks from Gaza.
When she read the word “ongoing”, her voice actually dripped with sarcasm.
It surprised me, because newsreaders are trained to read news items without much emotional expression or personal interpretation.

This lady made it very clear what she thought of the whole situation!

[glo]

Will non-violent methods work? They have in another countries where outright military resistance was not feasible. How can a non violent strategy be any less successful than what's happening now?

I think the problem lies with Israelis and Palestinians being kept separate by their own propaganda and their own politicians. So instead of seeing each other as fellow human beings and neighbours, they dehumanizes each other and simple see each other as the evil enemy.
Bombarding each other with rockets/missiles and using suicide bombings obviously only feeds that thinking, because it reinforces people's views of each other.

If both sides learned to see the humanity in each other, then the fighting would cease, or at least lessen. You don't fight your friends and brothers!

Earlier this year I attended a seminar about the conflicts in Northern Ireland.
Catholics and Protestants actually lived in the same towns and cities - only streets away from each other. And yet they managed to hate each other and pass that hate onto the next generation.
Propaganda prevented them from going out and meeting people from 'the other side' and actually learning about them and finding shared humanity in them.

Only when people broke those barriers and found out that they were not very different from each other at all, did things get better.

I think much of that could be transferred to the Israel/Palestine situation.
It doesn't immediately change the political situation, but when the people stop believing the propaganda on both sides, those political forces will lose their impetus.

[glo]

The copy of cease fire agreement:

I heard this morning that it is almost impossible for Hamas to ensure that Palestine will not send any rockets, because it has no control over the militant splinter groups. So even if Hamas agrees, militant individuals may not.

Unfortunately I didn't catch the name of the speaker.

What do you make of that statement?

[Aprender]

We are all with Palestine

I'm shocked, my respect for this man has just gone through the roof

That sign looks like it's been Photoshopped though. The text that says "Palestine" looks offset in position to the way he is holding the signs and the other words on it. Are you sure this is true?

[Jedi_Mindset]

How can Palestinians peacefully co exist with bloodthirsty 21st century Nazis who occupy their land? Would you negotiate with someone who broke into your residence, took complete control of your assets and then suggested a truce whereby everything is split into two halves?

Would you accept that? Or would you teach that thief a lesson by fighting for what is yours?



The entire world knows Israel doesn't want peace, they claim they want peace and a resolution in the way of a two state solution but then sabotage the whole thing by unleashing their devil forces on the people of Gaza. Yassar Arafat (May Allah grant him Jannah) struck a peace deal with Israel years ago but the Israelis slithered their way out of it by killing him, Hamas were close to negotiating some sort of deal just recently but again the Israelis bombed Gaza just to avoid going ahead with the peace deal.

Long-term peace was within reach before Israeli attack
http://rt.com/news/peace-settlement-hamas-israel-882/



Muslims have always had deep love for sacred land, take for example the two blessed cities in Arabia, Makkah, Madinah (SubhanAllah!) and Jerusalem in Palestine where Masjid Al Aqsa is situated. We have a special attachment to these three incredible places and if you think otherwise..i really don't know what to say.



Earning the status of a Martyr whilst fighting for Jerusalem is worth more then anything in the world.

Really man pfff....this guy is lost and even then i dont want to talk to a brother like this but i needed to say it. Two state solution? NEVER! One state solution is the answer and thats palestinians getting their land back and create a islamic state ruled from al-quds insha'Allah How the hell would a two state solution be possible when the one side is the oppressor and one side is the oppressed?