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bintu nawas
12-25-2012, 03:58 AM
:sl:

i personally watch football only as an entertainment
im not too addicted to it,
like browsing e net to check e latest new abt it,
argue,
watch highlights
blah blah

i simply only watch it..
yet hoping my team should win.
(i dont even watch e other teams' matches)

hope u can help me......

one more thing
my intention watching fb is to be entertained not anything else
i said bcuz some watch with other intentions (im sure i dont need to mention them:))

:jz:
bintu nawas
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Cabdullahi
12-25-2012, 01:04 PM
If you watch football and argue about it...your name should be abu nawas...we've got another female member who also watches football and argues about it she goes by 'brother ghazali'
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~Zaria~
12-25-2012, 01:42 PM
Assalamu-alaikum,



Is it allowed to women to watch football games on Television ?.

Praise be to Allaah.

Football games that are shown on television include a number of things that are contrary to sharee‘ah:

· In most cases -- if not all -- it may come under the category of gambling and betting which are haraam.

· They involve uncovering of ‘awrahs, mixing of men and women and listening to musical instruments.

In addition to that, they are a waste of time, which is spent on something that is not beneficial and distracts one from that which is more beneficial to him in religious and worldly terms.

As that is the case, the Muslim, whether male or female, should not preoccupy himself with that. He should keep himself busy with useful things that will benefit him in this world and in the Hereafter.

The scholars of the Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas were asked: What is the ruling on watching sports tournaments such as the World Cup and so on?

They replied: Football matches that are played for money and similar prizes are haraam, because that is gambling. It is not permissible to accept a prize except in things that sharee‘ah has deemed permissible, namely racing horses and camels, and competing in archery. Based on that, going to matches is haraam and so is watching them [on TV], for the one who knows that they are being played for a prize, because going to them implies approval of them.

But if the match is not for a prize and does not distract one from what Allah has enjoined, such as prayer and the like, and it does not involve anything that is contrary to sharee‘ah, such as uncovering ‘awrahs, mixing of men and women or musical instruments, there is nothing wrong with that or with watching it. End quote.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 15/238

Shaykh Ibn Jibreen (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: What is the ruling on women watching football matches for entertainment and to support a team?

He replied:

It is not permissible to watch matches, as the players are usually not dressed properly and some of the thighs show, or the awrah may be outlined by the clothes, and that is a fitnah for women. If the aim is to relax, then that may be done by remembering Allah, reciting Qur’aan, and reading books of hadeeth, fiqh and ahkaam. End quote from the website of Shaykh Ibn Jibreen.

http://ibn-jebreen.com/ftawa.php?vie...15&parent=4160

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: What is the ruling on watching football matches that are shown on television?

He replied:

What I think is that watching matches that are shown on television and other events is a waste of time; a smart and wise man would not waste his time with such matters that bring no benefit at all.

This applies if it is free of other evils; if it is accompanied by other evils, such as if the viewer begins to venerate a kaafir player for example, then it is undoubtedly haraam, because it is not permissible for us to venerate the kuffaar at all, no matter how far they have advanced. It is also haraam if the thighs of young men appear, which may result in fitnah. So the correct view in my opinion is that it is not permissible for young men when they play football to let their thighs show, because that involves fitnah, even according to the view that the thigh is not ‘awrah. So I do not think that young men should ever show their thighs. If we say that the thigh is ‘awrah, which is a well-known view of the madhhab of Imam Ahmad, then the matter is clear: it is not permissible in any case.

What I advise our brothers to do is to make good use of their time, for time is the most precious of wealth. End quote.

http://www.awda-dawa.com/pages.php?ID=3047

And Allah knows best.

Islam Q&A

http://www.islamqa.info/en/ref/146844/soccer
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crimsontide06
12-25-2012, 02:21 PM
I clicked this thread expecting to read about REAL football, not soccer :P I understand all the points made though.
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~Zaria~
12-25-2012, 02:48 PM
The soccer world cup was hosted in South Africa in 2010.

The following hard-hitting article was penned by the respected, late Ml Yunus Patel (ra) for the benefit of the muslims who were desirous of attending the matches.

Its something for us to all reflect about insha Allah - where do our priorities really lie?


The World Cup 2010


by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel Saheb (rahmatullah alayh)


The hype and talk presently is the World Cup 2010. Soccer-mania has gripped the mind, the heart, the speech, the time and the money of many, many Muslims.

And these many, many Muslims argue : “It’s ONCE IN A LIFETIME…We are the HOST country … It’s the World Cup which cannot be missed at any cost…”,

And we naively believe that these reasons give us the go-ahead to support, promote and participate.

But there is one serious fact which makes us unsuitable and incompatible for what I would describe as an International “upsurge of sins” – and that reason is : We are Muslims.

And we are very fortunate that we are Muslims. As such, there is no compatibility between a Muslim and sin.

Let us discuss why we, as Muslims, cannot and should not align ourselves to the World Cup. Let us read with an open heart and mind.

REASONS Why MUSLIMS should NOT ATTEND and NOT SUPPORT the World Cup:

1.) SALAAH


It is a common observance, that many, many Muslims are totally neglectful of Salaah when it comes to International, National or local sporting events. Even those who have some link with the Masaajid, will choose to forego Salaah in Jamaat and even the Salaah itself, so as not to miss a moment in watching men run after a ball.

Let us relate this to real life and the inevitable : How will this benefit us in this world and the hereafter ? Will any one of these sports players be able to intercede on our behalf, before Allah Ta’ala, when we have to account for our actions, for our indulgence in futile and even Haraam activities?

Our Nabi (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam) said : “…Do not forgo Salaah intentionally, lest you should get out of the fold of Islam. Do not perpetrate disobedience to Allah, lest you deserve His Wrath…”

Rasulullah (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam) also said: “The dividing line between kufr and Imaan is Salaah.” And : “A person who has missed one Salaah is like one who has lost all his family and wealth.”


Just as we would be grief-stricken at the loss of all of our beloved family members and the loss of all of our wealth, properties, etc. similarly should we grieve over losing just ONE Salaah?

Those few who do perform Salaah at the stadium or grounds, whilst the shouting, screaming, music, drink and other sins are being engaged in simultaneously, should think for themselves of what a display of hypocrisy they make.

2.) WASTAGE AND EXTRAVAGANCE

Allah Ta’ala states explicitly : “…And do not squander recklessly. Surely, squanderers are brothers to Shayateen, and Shaytaan is very ungrateful to his Lord.” [Surah Bani Israeel 17 : 26/27]

Spending R800 or R1000, whether more or less, on one ticket – and we know many are spending much, much more, on many tickets - is money wasted, and wastage and squandering are categorized as sin in Islam – whether on that which is permissible or otherwise. Moreover, the sin is compounded when it is being spent to view something which is at a place hosting a combination of evils.

Besides the tickets for the various matches, much more money will be spent on travel and accommodation – with airfares and rates going through the roof.

Consider how many loaves of bread, how many litres of milk or necessities of life, could have been provided for thousands that live below the bread line or thousands more that are in dire need of medical assistance … How can we be so complacent when so many are without food, water, electricity, medicine and other such needs ? Doesn’t our Imaan and conscience trouble us in the least ?

Moreover, wastage and extravagance are a cause of drought, high cost living and other forms of punishment.

3.) MUSIC

Almost every venue, event and occasion today seems to demand “music” as part of the entertainment. As Muslims, we know fully well, that music is not the “pleasure” of a true believer because Nabi (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam) specifically mentioned that one of his objectives was to destroy musical instruments.

Rasulullah (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam)said : “My Rabb has commanded me to destroy all musical instruments…” and also : “Music causes hypocrisy to grow in the heart just as water causes crops to grow.”

According to another Hadith of Nabi (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam): ‘Music is from Shaytaan and accommodating it in anyway is nifaaq (hypocrisy).’

Ibn Walih (RA) said : “Beware of music because music reduces shame, it increases lust and destroys one’s dignity and respect. Its effect is like the effect of alcohol.”


Then, would it be morally correct for a MUSLIM to be present at such an event where Music is ‘a must have’ ?

4.) ALCOHOL

The Ahadith make mention : “Wine is the gatherer of sin.”, “Wine is the route to indecency and is one of the major sins.”

Nabi (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam) also said : “….and do not take to drinking, for that is the mother of all evils.”

Every person that is associated to alcohol – be it the manufacturer, the one who transports, the one who sells, buys or serves comes under the curse of Allah Ta’ala. And those that keep company and incline towards the transgressors have to contend with the same consequences, for Allah Ta’ala warns us : “ Do not incline to the transgressors for then the fire will touch you.”

5.) ZINA (ADULTERY / FORNICATION)

Allah Ta’ala says : “AND COME NOT NEAR TO ZINA. VERILY IT IS A SHAMEFUL AND EVIL PATH” [SURAH AL- ISRA 17 : 32]

It is a very evident fact that these events promote Zina in abundance. Besides adultery of the eyes which is also categorized as zina (adultery) and which is very common at these types of venues with the indecent and revealing attire, there is actual zina that is being promoted and advertised. With the thousands of prostitutes that are visiting our country and the thousands more that are local – what else can be expected, except an escalation in adultery and fornication and a much higher risk of very severe punishment descending... (May Allah Ta’ala protect us from His punishment)

The summary and outline of Ahadith, is that plague, poverty, diseases which were unheard of previously, earthquakes, drought and destruction, birth of illegitimate children, and even escalation of deaths will follow in the wake of adultery and immorality.

If a person commits adultery, then the priceless and invaluable commodity of Imaan leaves his body.

Hazrat Anas (RA) narrated that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam) said : “Imaan is a garb with which Allah clothes whomsoever He wishes. If a person commits adultery, this garb is snatched away and if he repents, it is again returned.”

Then what will be the condition of the person who dies whilst committing zina ?

6.) HERO-WORSHIPPING

Allah Ta’ala has mentioned in the Qur`aan Sharief, in Surah Munafiqoon: “BUT HONOUR BELONGS TO ALLAH, HIS MESSENGER AND THE BELIEVERS...”

And in Surah An-Nisaa : ‘…TO THOSE WHO TAKE FOR FRIENDS UNBELIEVERS RATHER THAN BELIEVERS : IS IT HONOUR THEY SEEK AMONG THEM ? NAY, - ALL HONOUR IS WITH ALLAH.’

To deal honestly and truthfully with disbelievers or to assist the poor and needy amongst them, are from the teachings of Islam. However, to integrate with them in such a manner, that we lose our Islamic identity or give up on our Islamic culture is prohibited because it is inevitably extremely harmful to one’s Imaan. Many have given up Imaan and Islam due to very close friendship and relationship with those who do not believe in Allah Ta’ala, His Final Messenger (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam) and the Day of Judgement.

…So we find people going crazy and wild over soccer players, cricket players and their likes. And one wonders, what is all the clamour and fuss about ?... when their “outstanding” achievement in life seems to be, kicking, throwing or hitting a ball…? Does this call for hero-worship? Is this our SHALLOW understanding of success as Muslims?

Do we not know that the most successful of all people are the Ambiyaa (Prophets) and their followers ? Are we even aware of the tremendous successes of the Sahabah ? They were MEN. And Brave Men. Their history, their feats, their conquests drown out the thousands of insignificant goals scored by soccer players.

We should reflect over our obsession, veneration and craze of film-stars, sport-stars and others who are presently the enemies of Allah Ta’ala. …A warning has been sounded, directing us to make sincere taubah.

Allah Ta’ala states in the Qur`aan Sharief : ‘O PEOPLE OF IMAAN! DO NOT TAKE MY ENEMIES AND YOUR ENEMIES AS FRIENDS, INCLINING TOWARDS THEM WITH LOVE. VERILY, THEY HAVE REJECTED THE TRUTH WHICH HAS COME TO YOU (FROM YOUR RABB)…’ [SURAH MUMTAHINA 60 : 1]

We seem to forget that we are Muslims and all Muslims have dangerous enemies: So whilst our enemies shrewdly convince us to spend thousands of Rands, waste our energy and time on useless, futile sports such as the World Cup, they gleefully bomb, kill, rape, oppress and harass our brothers and sisters in other parts of the world … but we are so intoxicated with World Cups that we don’t even know our enemies have deceived us.


Have we not witnessed enough enmity in Occupied Palestine, in Pakistan, Kashmir, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia and other parts of the world? Those who were considered friends and companions were the first to assault, kill, maim and even rape our Muslim brothers and sisters, for no other reason than that they are Believers in Allah Ta’ala. …Have we not taken any lesson ? Have we not witnessed blood of the Muslims flowing in Bosnia, like rivers ?

When we claim to have love for Allah Ta’ala, how then can we love these types of sporting events ?

Allah Ta’ala advises us : “O YOU WHO BELIEVE! TAKE NOT FOR FRIENDS UNBELIEVERS RATHER THAN BELIEVERS : DO YOU WISH TO OFFER ALLAH AND OPEN PROOF AGAINST YOURSELVES?” …In other words, we should not make them bosom pals. Once again, it does not mean that we should not treat them with kindness, deal honestly and assist when there is need. …However : Will participation and support in the World Cup attract them towards Islam ?

7.) DRESS

Islam has gifted us with a dress code, which identifies us as Muslims – which makes us flag-bearers of Islam, representatives of Nabi (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam), Inviters to Islam. We have been expressly forbidden from adopting any semblance with the cultural or religious dressing style of people of other faiths..

By wearing soccer t-shirts, caps, bags with the 2010 football logos clearly indicates our love for the event and the culture.

Nabi (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam) said: “The one who imitates others is not of us.” And: “Whoever imitates a nation is of them.”


We are the nation of Islam, and should be rightly proud of our beautiful culture and dress because it is the culture and dress of the greatest after Allah, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam). …Is it not the height of foolishness to exchange diamonds for stones ?

8.) MIXED GATHERINGS

The disbelievers have no concept of segregation. They advocate mixed gatherings because it facilitates more sins and immorality. It works in their favour because there is easy gratification of sensual desires and sinful pleasures.

The Shariah instructs us : ‘IT IS NOT PERMISSIBLE TO BE PRESENT IN A GATHERING WHERE ALLAH TA’ALA IS BEING DISOBEYED.’

THE PURPOSE OF CREATION & OBJECTIVE OF LIFE

“We created not the heavens, the earth and all between them, merely in (idle) sport.” [Surah Dukhaan :38]

“Do you then think that We created you in jest and that you would not be brought back to Us (for an account)?” [Surah Mu`minoon 23 :115]


Our purpose in this world is definitely not play and amusement. Moreover, deliberate and planned sins do not feature in a Muslim’s life.

Allah Ta’ala and His Rasul (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam) certainly do not want to deprive us of enjoyment and entertainment. The Shariah and the Sunnah accommodate and give guidance for a Muslim with regards to Halaal, permissible entertainment, humuor, laughter, play and relaxation. However there is certainly no scope for events which feature Haraam indulgences.

The reality of the “World Cup” is that it is a dangerous fusion of major sins.

And when sins increase and multiply then we invite a punishment in proportion to that disobedience. …Haven’t we taken lesson from Tsunamis, Gale-force winds, Hurricanes and Earthquakes that left nothing but devastation in their wake ? Are we immune to such disaster? Are we safe from punishment? Let us ponder the words of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam) who said :

‘[ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT], THE FEET OF A PERSON WILL NOT MOVE UNTIL HE IS ASKED REGARDING :
(1) HIS LIFE; HOW DID HE SPEND IT,
(2) HIS KNOWLEDGE; HOW DID HE ACT UPON IT,
(3) HIS WEALTH; HOW DID HE ACQUIRE IT (AND)
(4) HOW DID HE SPEND IT, AND
(5) HIS BODY, HOW DID HE USE IT.’

It is reported that once Amr Ibn Absa (RA) asked Nabi (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam) which Hijrat (migration) is the best and he said: “That you leave what your Lord dislikes.”

One of our great Scholars had said very aptly: “It baffles me to see a people who are advised to get their provision and are called upon that the departure time is due yet they sit down playing.”

Our boarding passes were given to us the moment we entered this world … and that boarding pass is for boarding the flight of death. We have been informed and advised of the long journey ahead and the much needed provision for such a journey – but how strange, that we choose to while a way our time and we accumulate nothing for what lies ahead.

It is said: “The knife is being sharpened, and the oven is being heated up, yet the ram is still eating the fodder.”

The knife of death has been sharpened, our graves have been selected and are waiting for us to take residence in them. …Despite knowing this, we “graze” complacently in disobedience – unconcerned that that knife is ready to strike us at anytime.

Allah Ta’ala states : “O PEOPLE OF IMAAN! SAVE YOURSELVES AND YOUR FAMILIES FROM A FIRE WHOSE FUEL IS MEN AND STONES…” [SURAH AT-TAHREEM 66 : 6]

“YOUR (REAL) FRIENDS ARE (NO LESS THAN) ALLAH, HIS APOSTLE, AND THE (FELLOWSHIP OF) BELIEVERS, - THOSE WHO ESTABLISH REGULAR PRAYERS, AND REGULAR CHARITY, AND THEY BOW DOWN HUMBLY (IN WORSHIP).
AS FOR THOSE WHO TURN (FOR FRIENDSHIP) TO ALLAH, HIS RASUL AND THE (FELLOWSHIP OF) BELIEVERS – IT IS THE FELLOWSHIP OF ALLAH THAT MUST CERTAINLY TRIUMPH.” [SURAH MAA`IDAH 5 : 58/ 59]


Of course, all that has been stated will not go down well with everyone. It is for those who want to be good ambassadors of Islam, pleasing to Allah Ta’ala and His Beloved Rasul (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam). This article is for my own reflection and an invitation to my Muslim brothers and sisters to reflect with an open mind. I make dua that Allah Ta’ala protect me and the Ummah from all fitna.


http://www.yunuspatel.co.za/articles...-cup-part1.php
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crimsontide06
12-25-2012, 03:00 PM
I have question, ...are we supposed to lock ourselves in a padded room where we can ONLY eat sleep and pray, and experience absolutely no outside world joy?? I am really confused by this..Not specific to soccer...I mean tv, hobbies, movies, actually watching or playing American(real) football or basketball...other things..
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Signor
12-25-2012, 03:19 PM
For the fulfilment of this great trust, man was given a will, so that his acts should reflect Gods universal Will and Law, and his mind freely choosing, should experience sublime joy of being in harmony with the infinite, and with the great drama of the world around him, and with his own spiritual growth.


"Know that the life of this world is but play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting and multiplying, (in rivalry) among yourselves, riches and children. Here is a similitude: how rain and the growth which it brings forth, delights (the hearts of) the farmers: soon it withers: you will see it grow yellow: then it becomes dry and crumbles away. But in the Hereafter is a penalty severe (For the devotee of wrong) and Forgiveness from God and (His) Good Pleasure For the devotees of God and what is the life of this world, but a matter of illusion".
(Qur'an, Al-Hadid 57:20)



The average Human Being lives for about sixty years. Twenty years of this life is taken up by sleeping and approximately ten years in growing and learning. Taking into account, another twenty years in working and worry, we are left with a meagre ten years to enjoy the 'realities' of life without the above 'prerequisites'. However, even with such freedom one encounters physical pitfalls such as illness, anxiety, and the natural process of ageing. Overall, the life of this world may be summed up as a bitter-sweet game or test with no 'apparent' purpose.As Muslims we believe that the limited life in this world merely serves as a transition toward life eternal, in Paradise. For those who strive in the right path awaits a bounteous reward and for those who strive toward ignorance, awaits a terrible punishment.We also believe that 'to be successful' in this world means to achieve one's aims and duties for this life, and for the life in the Hereafter. Muslims invest in the worldly life through commitment toward the family and invest in the Hereafter through giving charity and poor-due.Muslims view the pleasures of this world as being petty and restricted by our own senses and imagination, whereas the pleasures of the Hereafter are mind-blowing and boundless; as a gift from the Most Merciful, the Most Kind.
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~Zaria~
12-25-2012, 03:23 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by crimsontide06
I have question, ...are we supposed to lock ourselves in a padded room where we can ONLY eat sleep and pray, and experience absolutely no outside world joy?? I am really confused by this..Not specific to soccer...I mean tv, hobbies, movies, actually watching or playing American(real) football or basketball...other things..
Assalamu-alaikum brother,


JazakAllah khair for an important question.

There are many permissible ways in which a muslim can spend his time, and have fun.

e.g.
- spending quality time with ones family (which is not equivalent to everyone watching a movie together) - e.g. picnics, nature walks (when last did anyone do this as a family?)
- Sports as a means of fitness/ exercise (not the type that is promoted today) - the options here are endless.
- Visiting the orphan, the sick in hospitals, the aged in old-age homes
- Getting involved in community projects, dawah
- Reading (actual books from our learned scholars - tabloids dont count)
- Listening to beneficial talks and lectures
- Engaging in crafts - e.g. sewing, wood-work (we need to learn how to become self-sufficient and less reliant on the kuffaar)
- Gardening

Allah (subhanawataála) has blessed us with so much in this dunya.

Yet we chose to follow the ways of the kuffaar - in every manner that is possible - the way we dress, eat, relate to each other and pollute our minds with their forms of 'entertainment'.

The only one who is really being 'entertained' is Shaytaan.

We are the real losers - when we chose to deny the message of Allah (subhanawataála) and His messenger (sallalahu alaihi wasalam).

We need to keep reminding ourselves - the AAKHIRAH is our Goal.
And stop being side-tracked by the temptations of this dunya - its just an illusion.

We need to realise this, BEFORE its too late (and how will we know its too late, when we dont even know how many breathes we still have left ahead of us?)
The choice is ours to make.....


:wa:
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syed_z
12-25-2012, 07:24 PM
Asalaam O Alaikum.... Nice to see Sister Zaria after sometime :)... hope your doing good.

I would like to add something here that as the sister said she just likes to watch it for entertainment and not any thing else then there is a way in between that is not to get involved in watching it so much that you miss your salah and other obligations commanded by Islam.....

....if your Islamic obligations are being compromised then obviously your missing the purpose of your life i.e. to Obey Allah (swt) and His Prophet (saw).....and thats disobedience.


So ...about the games and entertainment, to watch and indulge in it is not haraam.

Ayesha (r.a) said "It was the day of celebration and the Abyssinians were playing with shields and spears; either I asked the Prophet or he asked me whether I would like to watch. I said yes. Then the Prophet made me stand behind him while my cheek was touching his cheek and he was saying, “Carry on, O Banu Arfida,” until I became tired. The Prophet asked me, “Are you satisfied?” I said yes, so I left."

(Recorded by Sahih Bukhari and Muslim)

Men, women and children also need halaal amusement and entertainment and Islam does not prohibit such acts which are make one amuse and joy.

(5:87) Believers! Do not hold as unlawful the good things which Allah (swt) has made lawful to you and do not exceed the bounds of what is right.



Salaam....
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LauraS
01-07-2013, 08:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by crimsontide06
I clicked this thread expecting to read about REAL football, not soccer :P I understand all the points made though.
Ha! You mean the American version where players run around with the ball in their HANDS? :p

I like the post above ^^ I'm not a Muslim obviously but surely there is no harm in enjoying yourself, we all need a way to relax and have fun. The only way football becomes harmful is if you take it too seriously like fools who go around fighting opposition fans. <= I don't get that! Why beat someone up just because they support a different team, so are we all meant to support the same team? Would get a bit boring. ^o)
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Tyrion
01-07-2013, 09:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by crimsontide06
I have question, ...are we supposed to lock ourselves in a padded room where we can ONLY eat sleep and pray, and experience absolutely no outside world joy?? I am really confused by this..
No, but I can certainly see why people would begin to think that after spending some time in the "Islamic" corners of the internet. :p:
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Jslayton
01-07-2013, 09:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by crimsontide06
I have question, ...are we supposed to lock ourselves in a padded room where we can ONLY eat sleep and pray, and experience absolutely no outside world joy?? I am really confused by this..Not specific to soccer...I mean tv, hobbies, movies, actually watching or playing American(real) football or basketball...other things..
I would hope that we would not need to lock ourselves in padded rooms, That would be very um...... um.... Solitary.
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Networks
01-10-2013, 04:51 PM
So basically, the answer is "Yes", thanks all!
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ibrahim.M
01-11-2013, 03:27 PM
I don't have a reason to say NO, but you need to finish your prayers and homeworks, then watch it, better...
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Ahmed222
03-30-2013, 06:32 AM
It is a typical observance, that many, many Muslims are completely neglectful of Salaah when it comes to Worldwide, Nationwide or regional sports. Even those who have some weblink with the Masaajid, will select to forget about Salaah in Jamaat and even the Salaah itself, so as not to skip a second in viewing men run after a football.
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bintu nawas
04-29-2013, 08:58 AM
assalamu alaikum

firstly im not talking about soccer worldcup
and i have never heard any instruments played in any league matches


i do disagree watching matches in stadiums
but what im trying to ask is, can girls watch football on television?

like i said ealier, i watch soccer for entertainment
prophet (sal) has said," Entertain your hearts; for hearts become blind when they are tired." sahih buhari


n i know Allah says in surah an Nur, 24:30

"tell the believin men to lower their gaze........"

though its says to men we know its the same for women


Ayesha (r.a) said "It was the day of celebration and the Abyssinians were playing with shields and spears; either I asked the Prophet or he asked me whether I would like to watch. I said yes. Then the Prophet made me stand behind him while my cheek was touching his cheek and he was saying, “Carry on, O Banu Arfida,” until I became tired. The Prophet asked me, “Are you satisfied?” I said yes, so I left."

(sahih muslim and buhari)


now let me ask you,
Quran is our guide, the theory and prophet (s) is our practical
so, if the quranic verse 24:30 was revealed before that occasion then prophet (s) wouldnt have allowed Aisha (rali) to watch them playing on that day.

and also, Allah have revealed many ayahs to warn the Prophet too.
for an ex - while prophet (s) was talking to the main leaders of quraysh, Abdullah ibn umm makthoom (rali) came and said salams to prophet (s) but prophet(s) turned his sight from ibn umm makthoom...
just then Allah revealed surah abasa (he frowned)

apply this to Aisha (rali)'s hadith
Aisha (rali) didnt lower her gaze neither did prophet (s) say anything regarding that
and even if that was wrong, then why didnt Allah warn the prophet like He did, when prophet (s) turned his face from ibn umm makthoom??????

and lastly, prophet Muhammad (S) said,
"innamal a'hmaalu bin niyyah" - actions are judged by the intention

this was my pov,
if im wrong do correct me with proves :)

jazakallahu khairan,
bintu nawas.
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Ramadan90
04-29-2013, 11:32 AM
It is prohibited for woman to watch MEN playing fotball because of obvious reasons. And vice versa.
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kingkong
05-01-2013, 08:42 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ~Zaria~
There are many permissible ways in which a muslim can spend his time, and have fun.

e.g.
- spending quality time with ones family (which is not equivalent to everyone watching a movie together) - e.g. picnics, nature walks (when last did anyone do this as a family?)
- Sports as a means of fitness/ exercise (not the type that is promoted today) - the options here are endless.
- Visiting the orphan, the sick in hospitals, the aged in old-age homes
- Getting involved in community projects, dawah
- Reading (actual books from our learned scholars - tabloids dont count)
- Listening to beneficial talks and lectures
- Engaging in crafts - e.g. sewing, wood-work (we need to learn how to become self-sufficient and less reliant on the kuffaar)
- Gardening
Well you've listed a few things which we can do, now let me tell you my opinion of them.

- spending quality time with ones family - That's what most people do anyway. isn't it?

- Sports as a means of fitness/ exercise -
Most people are involved with sport in some way, some might play football in the park, some might play cricket, some may prefer to enjoy golf.

- Visiting the orphan, the sick in hospitals, the aged in old-age homes - How realistic is this in 21st century western world, even if it were viable how often can you afford to travel to an orphanage?

- Getting involved in community projects, dawah - Boring, really boring, I've been involved before and it's as exciting as watchign trees grow.

- Reading (actual books from our learned scholars - tabloids dont count) - Not interested.

- Listening to beneficial talks and lectures.
- Not interested.

- Engaging in crafts - e.g. sewing, wood-work - Boring.

- Gardening - Boring

Basically the suggestions you have given are either boring or we already do them.

The fact is, I enjoy watching sport and playing games much more than things like gardening and reading.
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Ramadan90
05-01-2013, 08:50 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by kingkong
Well you've listed a few things which we can do, now let me tell you my opinion of them.

- spending quality time with ones family - That's what most people do anyway. isn't it?

- Sports as a means of fitness/ exercise -
Most people are involved with sport in some way, some might play football in the park, some might play cricket, some may prefer to enjoy golf.

- Visiting the orphan, the sick in hospitals, the aged in old-age homes - How realistic is this in 21st century western world, even if it were viable how often can you afford to travel to an orphanage?

- Getting involved in community projects, dawah - Boring, really boring, I've been involved before and it's as exciting as watchign trees grow.

- Reading (actual books from our learned scholars - tabloids dont count) - Not interested.

- Listening to beneficial talks and lectures.
- Not interested.

- Engaging in crafts - e.g. sewing, wood-work - Boring.

- Gardening - Boring

Basically the suggestions you have given are either boring or we already do them.

The fact is, I enjoy watching sport and playing games much more than things like gardening and reading.
Just because some things are boring, that is not a reason not to do it. And learning is critically important(especially in Islam) so you better learn to love it.

Its all about attitude and perspective. Its not fun to learn because it is draining and involves work, but the satisfaction after you have learned something is great.
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sister herb
05-01-2013, 08:54 AM
Salam alaykum

Not everybody think that reading or gardening is boring. Someones might also enjoy as watching how trees grow. ;D
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bintu nawas
05-02-2013, 12:24 AM
Am sure u might not have read the first post on this page (pg- 2)

Please read it and share ur views.

Earlier I just asked plainly.
But now I have got more deeper on this topic
So once again, I kindly request u, do read the top post and share ur views

Jazakallahu khairan
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~Zaria~
05-02-2013, 06:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by kingkong
Well you've listed a few things which we can do, now let me tell you my opinion of them.

- spending quality time with ones family - That's what most people do anyway. isn't it?

- Sports as a means of fitness/ exercise -
Most people are involved with sport in some way, some might play football in the park, some might play cricket, some may prefer to enjoy golf.

- Visiting the orphan, the sick in hospitals, the aged in old-age homes - How realistic is this in 21st century western world, even if it were viable how often can you afford to travel to an orphanage?

- Getting involved in community projects, dawah - Boring, really boring, I've been involved before and it's as exciting as watchign trees grow.

- Reading (actual books from our learned scholars - tabloids dont count) - Not interested.

- Listening to beneficial talks and lectures.
- Not interested.

- Engaging in crafts - e.g. sewing, wood-work - Boring.

- Gardening - Boring

Basically the suggestions you have given are either boring or we already do them.

The fact is, I enjoy watching sport and playing games much more than things like gardening and reading.

Ok akhee....

May Allah (subhanawataála) guide us all towards that which is most pleasing to Him.
Ameen

:wasalam:
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sister herb
05-02-2013, 07:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by bintu nawas
Am sure u might not have read the first post on this page (pg- 2)
I read the first posts also. Members whose say it is not allowed to watch football (women look men - men look women playing it) may mean that it is quite physical act to play it. I don´t know is it haram to look sport competitions in general like running or swimming or high jumping if athlete is opposite gender?

^o)

What about watching ice hockey? In there players have so much clothes on that it is not same - it is difficult to see even are they male or female.

;D
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sister herb
05-02-2013, 10:16 PM
Why we think is watching football prohibited for girls? Is it prohibited for boys too?

^o)
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bintu nawas
07-30-2013, 03:45 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb
I read the first posts also. Members whose say it is not allowed to watch football (women look men - men look women playing it) may mean that it is quite physical act to play it. I don´t know is it haram to look sport competitions in general like running or swimming or high jumping if athlete is opposite gender?^o)What about watching ice hockey? In there players have so much clothes on that it is not same - it is difficult to see even are they male or female.;D
i respect ur ideas, but like seriously WHO watches hockey and more over ICE hockey!!!!!!!Please, Lets just stick to soccer and share our views according to islam whether its haraam or not.....
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bintu nawas
07-30-2013, 03:53 AM
[QUOTE=Allah
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Night
08-03-2013, 01:39 AM
My understanding was that as long as you are not betting on the game it is ok.
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