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areejjaved
01-14-2013, 10:08 PM
Sorry everyone! I could've wait but its really urgent.. I need to get advice from all of u because i dont have much knowledge about nikah. my boyfriend (a year younger than me) and i did nikah verbally on text msg with true intentions to get married.. Does it mean that we are really married now? Because my bf says that we are married now but i have doubts. I really want to confirm it.. I accept him with all my heart.. And so does he.. So our relationship is halal or not? Does the true intentions of heart can make the nikah valid?
Help please
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sister herb
01-14-2013, 10:11 PM
Salam alaykum

I haven´t never hear that in any religion it would be possible to marry by text message. You better find some more official way. ^o)
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areejjaved
01-14-2013, 10:14 PM
Like what? I thought i could get something about it from here :(
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Qurratul Ayn
01-14-2013, 10:14 PM
Firstly, you should not have had a boyfriend in the first place.

Secondly, I don't think it's possible to
format_quote Originally Posted by areejjaved
i did nikah verbally on text msg
Verbally on text message? ^o) Doesn't make sense

Thirdly, I have no idea but I suspect it's highly improbable that it's not valid, but Insha'Allaah your dilemma shall be answered soon enough
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areejjaved
01-14-2013, 10:17 PM
Sorry.. I meant we wrote eachother through text msg
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Qurratul Ayn
01-14-2013, 10:20 PM
What in the world possessed you two to be boyfriend and girlfriend, when it is not allowed, in the first place AND to top it off to do Nikkah via text messages?!?!?!?!

Have you spoken to any of your family members' about this situation?
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Insaanah
01-14-2013, 10:20 PM
If your wali (male guardian such as your father) was not involved with this, and the two of you did this by yourself, and there were no witnesses, and no mahr, this isn't nikah, but a mockery to the word nikah, and in fact rather than there being any kind of Islamic element to what you're doing/have done, it is a sin. There is no boyfriend/girlfriend relationship in Islam and you should not have any contact with any non-mahram man like that. I hope you will think about what you are doing.
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Cabdullahi
01-14-2013, 10:28 PM
Divorce is the only thing that can happen through text.
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sister herb
01-14-2013, 10:31 PM
Salam alaykum

You should better find out what law says in your country about getting marry, talk about marriage with your family and contact to local mosque for talking with imam about this matter.

Any ways, I wish you a good luck at your future in this kind of matters.
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Iceee
01-14-2013, 10:50 PM
Salaam.

You're not formally married.
No witnesses... Your father wasn't there...
And boyfriend/girlfriend relationship?

Please read the guidelines for getting married in Islam properly.

Salaam.
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Haya emaan
01-15-2013, 02:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by areejjaved
Because my bf says that we are married now but i have doubts
keep out of him. he is making you fool!
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sister herb
01-15-2013, 02:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Haya emaan

keep out of him. he is making you fool!
Or then he too doesn´t know very much about marriage in islam?
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Signor
01-15-2013, 02:52 PM
Assalamu Alaikum

This is what relates to your case:

I knew a man who deceived me by saying that he wanted to marry me. He said he could not announce this marriage neither could he propose to ask my family for my hand. We had a customary marriage and we wrote a paper of it. He left me and ran away. Am I really his wife?.

Praise be to Allaah.

We continue to hear about such calamities. For how long will our daughters remain clueless, not realising what these criminals want?

Each one of them says: I know what I am doing and I trust this man, he is not like the others, then when he gets what he wants from her, he leaves her and runs away.

There are dozens of stories, if not hundreds or more than that, of such calamities. It happened repeatedly and it is still happening repeatedly.

Islam is wise in its prohibition of women adorning themselves and showing their beauty in front of non-mahram men.

It is wise in forbidding women to mix with men in a careless manner which leads to nothing but evil.

It is wise in forbidding women to speak to a non-mahram man for no purpose or unnecessarily.

It is wise is blocking the way to evildoers and those in whose hearts is a disease. Islam enjoins women to observe hijab and cover themselves, and to keep away from mixing with men as much as possible. It forbids a man to touch a woman who is not his mahram and forbids being alone with her, and it forbids speaking in a soft and alluring manner, and much more.

All of that is to protect her and her chastity, and to protect society in general against indecency and immorality, so that chastity, purity and modesty will prevail.

If a woman goes against all of that, she will fall prey to the wolves who do not respect the sacred things of Allaah. No religious commitment or good morals prevent them from doing anything. Then the woman regrets it... but after it is too late, when regret will not bring back what has been lost.

Islam is wise in forbidding women to arrange their own marriages; rather it stipulates that her wali or guardian should be in charge of that, because he is more able than her to choose a suitable husband for her, and so that the woman will not be deceived and become the plaything of criminals.

If a woman gets married without a wali, the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) ruled that this is an invalid marriage. He (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) said: “Any woman who gets married without the permission of her wali, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (1102) and Abu Dawood (2083); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel (1840).

If we add to that the condition of concealing it and not announcing it or telling the people of it, this is zina beyond any shadow of a doubt. Merely writing on a piece of paper is not enough; this paper is worthless and does not change what is haraam into something halaal.

What people call customary marriage, that is done without the knowledge of the wali, and without witnesses or announcements, is an invalid marriage; it is zina, not marriage.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
With regard to secret marriage, which they agree to conceal and for which they do not bring any witnesses, it is invalid according to all the scholars and it comes under the heading of immorality. Allaah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse” [al-Nisa’ 4:24].
Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (33/158).

He also said:
If they get married without a wali or witnesses, and conceal the marriage, this is an invalid marriage according to the consensus of the imams. Rather the view of the scholars is that “there is no marriage without a wali” and “Any woman who gets married without the permission of her wali, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid”. Both of these phrases are narrated in al-Sunan from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him). More than one of the early generation said: There is no marriage except with two witnesses. This is the view of Abu Haneefah, al-Shaafa’i and Ahmad, and Maalik regarded it as obligatory to announce the marriage.
Secret marriage is akin to a relationship with a prostitute. End quote. Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (32/102, 103)

Based on this, what occurred between you was not a legitimate marriage, and you not a wife to this man.

The ruling on customary marriage has been discussed in the answers to questions number 45513 and 45663. In the answer to question number 7989 you will find evidence to show that marriage without a wali is invalid. Finally, we call upon you to repent to Allaah and to regret what has taken place, and to resolve not to go back to it, and to resolve to do righteous deeds and adhere to the laws of Allaah, for Allaah has promised acceptance and forgiveness to the one who repents from sin and does righteous deeds. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“But whosoever repents after his crime and does righteous good deeds (by obeying Allaah), then verily, Allaah will pardon him (accept his repentance). Verily, Allaah is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful” [al-Maa’idah 5:39]

“And verily, I am indeed forgiving to him who repents, believes (in My Oneness, and associates none in worship with Me) and does righteous good deeds, and then remains constant in doing them (till his death)”
[Ta-Ha 20:82]

We ask Allaah to enable you to repent and to accept it from you.

And Allaah knows best.

Source
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Muhaba
01-15-2013, 05:10 PM
Marriage without a wali is invalid, absolutely as there is a hadith that states that. (Although some say that is only the case when the woman was never married before as there is also evidence showing that the divorced / widowed woman can marry on her own - but I'm not too sure of that and you'll need to verify with an alim. ) Also you need two witnesses, and I don't think one can get married through text messaging with or without a wali because you can't really know who's texting. There have been some marriages over the phone but am not sure how valid they are. I heard of one woman getting married to her cousin on the phone but in this case it can be verified through voice that the parties are the ones getting married. But even in that case, the woman's wali and witnesses were present.

Other than that, marriage (with wali and witnesses present) takes place even if the parties are only joking as there is a hadith stating that three happen whether done actualy or in jest: nikah, divorce, and rajoo (retaking the divorced wife) so beware of this. marriage isn't something to be taken lightly. The reason a woman cannot get married without a wali is so no one will take advantage of her.
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Muslim Woman
01-15-2013, 05:41 PM
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no sis , u are not married . Pl. don't start living with him as a couple.
Tell him to send marriage proposal to ur parents.

a related fatwa . Question

I am in love with a man and we treat each other as husband and wife. Last year we married each other with out the presence of a maulvi and witnesses. We declared Allah to be the witness to this agreement ..........,,,,

.....What you have done is not correct at all, because marriage in Islam is not possible in the way you followed because the Prophet (Blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: "Any woman who got married without the consent of her guardian, her marriage is invalid".


He said this three times as narrated by Ahmad in his Musnad. The Prophet (Blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) also said: "No marriage can take place without the presence of a guardian and two reliable male witnesses and any marriage that was not done in this way is nil and invalid and the Sultan (ruler) is the guardian of any one, who does not have a guardian".



Narrated by al-Hakem. Indeed, Islam has emphasized the conditions of legal marriage to protect the rights of the woman as well as the rights of her children


.......http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/in...twaId&Id=81777

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