Is Egypt being held hostage by its youth?

[Roasted Cashew]

A quarter of Egypt's population is aged 18-29 and most of them live in poverty. And the boys in the streets have no respect for the old men in power.





What do you guys think?

[Independent]

It's probably the single biggest driving factor behind the Arab Spring in general. Egypt added 50 million people from 1966 to 2008 - going from 30 million to 80 million population. A staggering increase. No wonder there aren't enough jobs and houses. Other Middle East states are almost as dramatic - such as Yemen.

Morsi's real problem is therefore the economy. People thought that the only thing holding the economy back was Mubarak, but now they know it's not easy to do any better. The revolution itself has wrecked some industries. Tourism used to employ 12% of the workforce. I'll bet it doesn't now.

Also, it's characteristic that when a long established autocracy is overthrown violently, that there are often further revolutions or even civil war in the years immediately following. The opposition were united to get rid of the dictator, but once he's gone they discover they have little in common and they fight to see who inherits the power. The revolution has raised expectations only to disappoint them.

[ardianto]

It's probably the single biggest driving factor behind the Arab Spring in general. Egypt added 50 million people from 1966 to 2008 - going from 30 million to 80 million population. A staggering increase. No wonder there aren't enough jobs and houses. Other Middle East states are almost as dramatic - such as Yemen.

Egypt is a country that "large but small". It we see its map it's look like large country, but actually only small area of Egypt that suitable for live, mostly of Egypt land are desert. 80 million people is to much for this small area.

Morsi's real problem is therefore the economy. People thought that the only thing holding the economy back was Mubarak, but now they know it's not easy to do any better. The revolution itself has wrecked some industries. Tourism used to employ 12% of the workforce. I'll bet it doesn't now.

Also, it's characteristic that when a long established autocracy is overthrown violently, that there are often further revolutions or even civil war in the years immediately following. The opposition were united to get rid of the dictator, but once he's gone they discover they have little in common and they fight to see who inherits the power. The revolution has raised expectations only to disappoint them.

As a response of Egypt revolution, people in Indonesia said that Egypt should learn from Indonesia that had experience with "98 reformation" that fell down Soeharto regime. The 'cost' for Indonesia reformation even higher than Egypt revolution if we measure it from live lost.

Yes, Indonesia economy was destroyed. And yes, there were people in Indonesia who thought that the only way to get back economy stability was brough back Soeharto who ruled Indonesia with autocracy. Not different than Mubarak.

Just like in Egypt. Opposition in Indonesia that were united before then broke too.

Were there riots and bloody conflict in Indonesia after reformation?. Yes!. Thousands people died in these riots and local wars.

Alhamdulillah, now Indonesia start to stable and its economy raised up again. It's happen after Indonesian people start to realize that they need to see the reality and start work to build Indonesia again.

By the way, the current president, SB Yudhoyono is not the first president after reformation. There were three presidents before. BJ Habibie who ruled Indonesia only one years then did not participate in election after lost his popularity. Abdurahman Wahid who supported by Muslim parties but later impeached by Muslim parties too. And Megawati. In the era of three previous presidents, situation of Indonesia less stable than in era of president Yudhoyono.

Back to Egypt. Can president Morsi bring Egypt to its stability? or the next president who will do it?. I don't know. But I agree that Egypt need to learn from Indonesia's experience.

[Networks]

Egypt's HDI was higher than Indonesia.

You guys believe on HDI or not?

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[ardianto]

Egypt's HDI was higher than Indonesia.

You guys believe on HDI or not?

Youtube said that the video uploader made the video not available in my country. So, I could not watch the video, and my post actually was response to Independent's post.

If I wrote "Egypt need to learn from Indonesia's experience" it was because Indonesia had experience in ruled by dictator who then fell because people power, not different than Mubarak. And what Independent wrote about situation in Egypt now is not different than situation in Indonesia after reformation. Although not 100% same, but very similar.

Are you Egyptian?.

[جوري]

The revolution has raised expectations only to disappoint them.

Egypt unlike the U.S doesn't print money that has no backing in gold and sequesters itself with Cubans & Iranians at the beckoning of a far away sovereign nations demand and only to redefine what it means to be bankrupt. The previous admin. managed to loot and put in foreign accounts most of Egypt's fortune and Egypt's fortunes are many. Compound that by thefts left and right from the likes of the colonial cockroach that is Israel who was for instance getting gas from Egypt for free for three years and before that for pennies on the dollar while the average Egyptian paid fifty pounds for it.

Mursi inherited the mess he didn't create it. And a real economic incentive is going to be difficult with western meddling in the regions on the hands of folks well trained to do the west's bidding like El-Baradi and Amr Musa the drunken adulterer who slept with leviny and proud of it. Others like shafeeq is purposefully asking investors not to pour money into Egypt's economy to tank the so-called Islamist regime. And every other day a conspiracy from within at the hands of Mcain, Paterson and now Keri.
Mursi has made several mistakes and it would take him something quite simple but dramatic to fix it since let's face it even a purely unadulterated 'western style democracy' isn't very pleasing unless it brings the corrupt few into power and with the illusion of Islamic flavoring.

If Cialdini's six principles of influence have taught us anything is that ''persons who go through a great deal of trouble or pain to attain something tend to value it more highly than persons who attain the same thing with a minimum of effort.” The brotherhood believes these constant concessions they're making is for the good of the nation but that's a psychological ploy and because inherently folks who have spent most of their time in and out of prison and have no grip on the media as is with all western and eastern nation have their credibility taken from them as well their self image with a few words.

And that's exactly the case here:



a fourth generation war that is meant to dissolve the revolt from within, while getting the enemy in this case 'Muslims' to do exactly what the west wants with the illusion that they're carrying out an Islamic agenda in small accretions that may sum up, and this was carried out perfectly by the Chinese before, again from the same book, the Chinese used this methodology of brainwashing American prisoners of war to rewrite their self-image and gain automatic unenforced compliance.
Ideological wars we can agree are more cost effective and with long term benefits that won't require force if the enemy is already compelled to do as is expected better than say the great snafus of Iraq and Afghanistan!

[Al-Mufarridun]

Morsi's real problem is therefore the economy. People thought that the only thing holding the economy back was Mubarak, but now they know it's not easy to do any better. The revolution itself has wrecked some industries. Tourism used to employ 12% of the workforce. I'll bet it doesn't now.

Mubarak had 30 years to do better, how many has Morsi had?