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Indian Bro
Hey! I had no idea that you started a new thread, lol.
No problem. I thought the system would have sent you a notification when I referenced
the quote but maybe it does not work when a new thread is started.
Christians don't believe God will punish them for any sin? What do Christians base this belief on? I would prefer a quote from Jesus (PBUH).
Maybe some confusion here. I did not state this. It appeared you said this in a previous
post.
If you avoid the major sins which you are forbidden, We will remove from you your lesser sins and admit you to a noble entrance [into Paradise]. [4:31]
It is also mentioned in Hadith as well, remember Muslims must follow the Qur'an and the teachings of Muhammad (Peace be upon him), so you can't disregard the Hadith as well.
Thanks.
Are eating pork and food sacrificed to idols (2:173), interest (2:275), killing game on the
pilgrimage (5:94) specifically mentioned as major or lesser sins or do Muslim scholars do
the classification?
Sorry, but I feel you are kind of derailing from the topic. Are we talking about the punishment of murder or punishment of
shirk (disbelief)? The punishment of disbelief has been mentioned in various verses in the Qur'an, but I don't think there's any
mention of the punishment of sins such as murder, adultery, etc, on the Day of Judgement.
Sorry. Didn't mean to. I had always assumed that unrepented sins of murder and adultery
would be punishable by a place in hell.
I wouldn't ask this question if all Christians were the descendants of the lost sheep of Israel, lol. The reason I'm
asking this question is because there are Christians who believe that Jesus (PBUH) was sent for mankind which is
contrary to what Jesus (PBUH) said in the Bible. If Jesus (PBUH) was a god, why did he say that he came down only
for the lost sheep of Israel, why didn't he say he came down for mankind. Why do Christians assume something which
is contrary to what their "god" said. Why did the Christian god give such a big preference to the lost sheep of Israel
over mankind?
Jesus said "I was sent only TO the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24). I
understand your point but the meaning of "to" in that verse changes if you use your word
"for". Jesus also said "The Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost" (Luke 19:10).
All humans are lost. That is why he told his disciples "Go therefore and make disciples of
all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy
Spirit," (Matthew 28:19).
But true. Jesus came only TO the children of Israel at that time. He did not go to India,
Russia, China, etc.
Why did God give a preference to the children of Israel? This was the covenant he made
with Abraham through Isaac.
If Jesus (PBUH) was sent for mankind (which includes Jews and non-Jews) then why did Jesus (PBUH)
need to test the Canaanite woman who approached him in distress asking him to help her. If he was sent for
mankind then he didn't need to test her faith.
Sorry. I don't understand the reference of the Canaanite woman you mention.
Moses (PBUH) never spoke of ever seeing God, so it would be safe to assume that he never did see God. Even if
we assume Moses did see God, why would he hide it, especially when you consider that he was a Prophet?
I don't think Moses ever beheld God in his full glory but we do have a record that God
appeared to him in the burning bush and spoke to him. Apparently his face shone when
Aaron saw him later. When Moses spent 40 days on Mount Sinai he did not return and
tell the people everything that happened on the Mount. This did not disqualify him from
being a Prophet.
There's a huge difference between this example and Exodus 33:20. You're ignoring the context
of Exodus 33:20-23. In Exodus 33:20 you have a Prophet asking God to show his face, and God chose
NOT to fulfill the believers wish *but instead showed the believer (Moses (PBUH)) a sign which made
the believer fall to the ground and submit.* Whereas in Mathew 27 you have a man hanging on a
cross and disbelievers asking this man to show a sign which will make them believe this man is a god.
Can you honestly compare God coming down from the heavens to a man coming down from a cross?
Exodus 33:18-20 - Moses said, "Please show me your glory. And he said, "I will make all
my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name 'The Lord.' And I will
be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.
But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live."
I didn't compare Exodus 33 with Matthew 27. At least I don't think so.
How could you say that? I thought God was represented by the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Or was the Son non-existent at that time?
The Father/Son/Holy Spirit have always existed as one God. But I don't know how
to clearly explain who appeared to Moses in the burning bush other than say God.
Doesn't make sense, I know. I feel inadequate to speculate when it was not revealed.
Assuming Muslims believe that Allah appeared to Moses in the burning bush, was
Allah in the burning bush and in heaven at the same time? Or did Allah just throw
his voice into the burning bush?
And why did Moses (PBUH) only get to see "parts" of Gods back while the sinners of Israel got to
see gods entire body?
It was God veiled in a human body. Some of these sinners in Israel became his disciples
when they believed his message (John the Baptist, Peter, Mark, Luke, Matthew, etc).
After the resurrection, Jesus appeared to the disciples and addressed 'doubting Thomas'
who also saw him - "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those
who have not seen and yet have believed" (John 20:29). Peter denied knowing Christ
but Jesus still kept him. The scriptures record that despite Jesus telling his disciples
about his upcoming death and resurrection, the disciples did not understand and believe.
Even after seeing him, they thought they were seeing a ghost or spirit. In time, they
came to believe. Their fear of being persecuted by the Jews had turned into boldness
into preaching about the risen Christ.
Christian apologists claim God was too shy to show Moses (PBUH) his face, but then
what happened to gods shyness when he was circumcised in Israel?
That's news to me. I never heard of a shy God.
May peace be upon you,
Jim