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theplains
02-18-2013, 10:39 PM
Hello,

I had a question about this passage - "And they say: Allah hath taken unto Himself a
son. Be He glorified! Nay, but whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth is His. All
are subservient unto Him".

Did these people believe Allah took unto himself a son through a sexual way with
a woman?

Thanks,
Jim
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Tyrion
02-18-2013, 10:44 PM
Not necessarily, no. I think it just exemplifies the special relationship Jesus was given with God in Christianity, as his Son. This is something Muslims have always rejected.
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Woodrow
02-18-2013, 11:01 PM
Originally Posted by theplains
Hello,

I had a question about this passage - "And they say: Allah hath taken unto Himself a
son. Be He glorified! Nay, but whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth is His. All
are subservient unto Him".

Did these people believe Allah took unto himself a son through a sexual way with
a woman?

Thanks,
Jim
No we believe Mary was a Virgin and there was no sexual relationship. We do believe the birth of Jesus(as) was a miraculous birth and that Jesus(as) is The Mas'ah (Messiah) but is not the Son of God nor God nor the Savior. He is a Human Prophet and currently alive in heaven awaiting his time to return to earth and complete his earthly life. This will include among other things, witnessing against those who worshiped him, defeating the anti-Christ, destroying the crosses and Helping lead all people to Islam.
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crimsontide06
02-19-2013, 12:40 AM
Originally Posted by theplains
Did these people believe Allah took unto himself a son through a sexual way with
a woman?
No, Christians believe Jesus is God in human form(the human form being called the son).
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MustafaMc
02-19-2013, 01:17 AM
Originally Posted by theplains
Did these people believe Allah took unto himself a son through a sexual way witha woman?
No, the Qur'an does not define 'son' in a normal physical or even adoptive sense, but merely negating (repeatedly and in the most adamant way) the Christian belief that Jesus is the 'only begotten Son of God.' Now as a Christian, can you define for me in what sense of the word is Jesus God's son and yet at the same time fully God himself?
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Abu Loren
02-19-2013, 03:04 AM
Originally Posted by theplains
Hello,

I had a question about this passage - "And they say: Allah hath taken unto Himself a
son. Be He glorified! Nay, but whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth is His. All
are subservient unto Him".

Did these people believe Allah took unto himself a son through a sexual way with
a woman?

Thanks,
Jim
These people? The words contained in the Holy Qur'an are from God Almighty.

It clearly states in the Holy Qur'an that Angel Jibril (Alayhi Salaam) 'breathed His spirit into Mary'. The Christians however mistake this Spirit as God Himself coming alive as Jesus (Alayhi Salaam).
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Logikon
02-20-2013, 02:20 AM
I don't have any children.

I know people who have lost children and I have given them sympathy.

It is said that I cannot possibly know what it is like to lose a child without a child of my own.

So, the Christians say that god sent his son, Jesus. So when Jesus died on the cross, god as a parent could feel the loss of a child.
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MustafaMc
02-20-2013, 02:58 AM
Originally Posted by Logikon
So, the Christians say that god sent his son, Jesus. So when Jesus died on the cross, god as a parent could feel the loss of a child.
In what capacity was Jesus God's son? Was it literal, physical, adoptive, spiritual, metaphorical, symbolic, imaginative, other? What meaning or definition of the word 'son' can be applied to Jesus relative to God? Words are more than an assemblage of letters as they are meant to convey a meaning that is understood by others. What meaning for 'son' applies in this situation?
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Logikon
02-21-2013, 02:04 AM
Originally Posted by MustafaMc
In what capacity was Jesus God's son?
In the capacity that god is all powerful and can do anything.

The belief is literal.

It is a Christian belief, not my belief. I am trying to help you understand.
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Abu Loren
02-21-2013, 05:20 PM
Originally Posted by Logikon
In the capacity that god is all powerful and can do anything.

The belief is literal.

It is a Christian belief, not my belief. I am trying to help you understand.
Logikon is right. The Christians believe that Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) is the begotten son of God. They fail to realise or understand that Jesus' birth was a miracle and a sign for the Children of Israel to believe in God again. They rejected him and God rejected them. When Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) returns to defeat the Dajjal the Christians will go to him and say (paraphrasing) "Lord, Lord haven't we prophecied in your name and worked wonders?" and Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) will reply "Get away from me you work of inequity".
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Karl
02-21-2013, 09:53 PM
If Jesus (PBUH) was the son of Allah he would be a Demi God like Hercules the Demi God son of Zeus and a human woman. And since Islam is monotheistic it cannot emulate paganism. Maybe Jesus (PBUH) being the "son of God" sold better to the pagans and heathens because if the early Christians just said he was a magic Hebrew and a Prophet, the pagans and heathens would just laugh at them but "son of God" sounds grand and pagans and heathens love grandeur. The little Hebrew "Prince of peace" becomes a warlord of Christiandom, emulating Thor and Hercules in the minds of the Western converts.
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Logikon
02-22-2013, 02:33 AM
The only way to get a miracle birth is for god to put the embryo into the tummy of Mary.

So, "the son of god" kinda makes more sense than "it happened by accident".
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Al-Mufarridun
02-23-2013, 12:04 PM
Originally Posted by Karl
If Jesus (PBUH) was the son of Allah he would be a Demi God like Hercules the Demi God son of Zeus and a human woman. And since Islam is monotheistic it cannot emulate paganism. Maybe Jesus (PBUH) being the "son of God" sold better to the pagans and heathens because if the early Christians just said he was a magic Hebrew and a Prophet, the pagans and heathens would just laugh at them but "son of God" sounds grand and pagans and heathens love grandeur. The little Hebrew "Prince of peace" becomes a warlord of Christiandom, emulating Thor and Hercules in the minds of the Western converts.
For one to better understand how much the earlier beliefs of the Greeks, Romans, Ancient Egyptians influenced Christianity, one needs ot study the beliefs of those people prior to Christianity.
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Abu Loren
02-23-2013, 03:01 PM
Originally Posted by Al-Mufarridun
For one to better understand how much the earlier beliefs of the Greeks, Romans, Ancient Egyptians influenced Christianity, one needs ot study the beliefs of those people prior to Christianity.
There was no way the Romans were coming on board without their religion of polytheism. So what better way than merging the two to form a new religion.

Also I don't if people are aware but there was a power struggle in early Christianity between the true followers of Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) and the Trinitarians. Of course, the Trinitarians won the day with the backing of the mighty Roman Empire. Isn't it funny how Christianity is still ruled from Rome?
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muslimah bird
02-23-2013, 06:15 PM
The only way to get a miracle birth is for god to put the embryo into the tummy of Mary.So, "the son of god" kinda makes more sense than "it happened by accident".
Not necessarily The example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was. Allah can create million Jesus and Adams without father and mother
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Abu Loren
02-23-2013, 06:40 PM
Just had an after thought....Saul of Tarsus or St. Paul as the Christians call him was a Jew but he was also a Roman Citizen. My conspiracy theory alarm bells are ringing.
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Karl
02-23-2013, 11:27 PM
Originally Posted by Abu Loren
There was no way the Romans were coming on board without their religion of polytheism. So what better way than merging the two to form a new religion.

Also I don't if people are aware but there was a power struggle in early Christianity between the true followers of Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) and the Trinitarians. Of course, the Trinitarians won the day with the backing of the mighty Roman Empire. Isn't it funny how Christianity is still ruled from Rome?
True and then the Holy Roman Empire started to fall as the Germanic heathen hordes, Vandals among them sacked Rome and drifted south to Carthage. The Empire is split and Romans go to New Rome Byzantium. The Germanic heathens settle in Italy and surrounds and adopt Christianity as it unifies the heathen horde under one God so things are getting very messy by now with the peoples interpretation of the words of Jesus as most are illiterate and ignorant and later Martin Luther rocks the boat. So Christianity has been through the mill and is so complicated and divided. I think it is used more for political power and a form of governance rather than a faith and a way of life following the Gospels of Jesus. Not to be one eyed, Islam has also been used this way ie Genghis Khan a barbaric heathen, once he had conquered enough of China settled down and made it an Islamic Kingdom.
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Karl
02-23-2013, 11:42 PM
Originally Posted by Abu Loren
Just had an after thought....Saul of Tarsus or St. Paul as the Christians call him was a Jew but he was also a Roman Citizen. My conspiracy theory alarm bells are ringing.
Jesus was Jewish, his disciples were Jewish and they were in a Jewish town in a Jewish country! Start panicking.
The Jews were under the Roman empire. King Herod was the boyhood close friend of emperor Claudius. Rome controlled the Jews but also gave them protection just like the USA protects the sellouts in Afghanistan.
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Al-Mufarridun
02-23-2013, 11:56 PM
Originally Posted by Karl
Not to be one eyed, Islam has also been used this way ie Genghis Khan a barbaric heathen, once he had conquered enough of China settled down and made it an Islamic Kingdom.
With respect to the Mongols, it is bit different. The Mongols conquered lands that were Muslim to begin with, and it was after 3 Generations, long after the Khan was dead that, segments of the Mongols embraced Islam. Genghis never used Islam as a political method to rule. The Mongols who ruled china for example, Kublai Khan, never converted to Islam.
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Independent
02-24-2013, 12:21 AM
Originally Posted by Karl
True and then the Holy Roman Empire started to fall as the Germanic heathen hordes, Vandals among them sacked Rome and drifted south to Carthage. The Empire is split and Romans go to New Rome Byzantium. The Germanic heathens settle in Italy and surrounds and adopt Christianity as it unifies the heathen horde under one God
I think your history is a little off here. The Holy Roman Empire was founded in the 10th century, some 500-600 years later, and had little to do with Classical Rome. The Vandals captured Carthage first, and then Rome. The Romans didn't 'go' to Constantinople, they were already there - it was just that the western half of the empire ceased to exist. And it wasn't the Vandals who tried to unite under a monotheistic religion, but Constantine.
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Karl
02-24-2013, 02:52 AM
Ok my sources must have been inaccurate, but the gist of it is with all this time and mayhem going on Christianity has been twisted far from it's original beginings. And so of course all other religions.

Without DNA evidence we will never know whom the father of Jesus was.
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facethetruth
09-03-2013, 05:49 PM
Allah is referring to Christains. The problem is that God has a son which is rejected in the first place rather than talking about how did it happen, All glory to him.
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