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Urban Turban
03-21-2013, 07:51 PM
Secret £14million Bible in which 'Jesus [peace be upon him] predicts coming of Prophet Muhammad' [peace be upon him] unearthed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105714/Secret-14million-Bible-Jesus-predicts-coming-Prophet-Muhammad-unearthed-Turkey.html#comments


A secret Bible in which Jesus [peace be upon him] is believed to predict the coming of the Prophet Muhammad [peace be upon him] to Earth has sparked serious interest from the Vatican.

Pope Benedict XVI is claimed to want to see the 1,500-year-old book, which many say is the Gospel of Barnabas, that has been hidden by the Turkish state for the last 12 years.


The £14million handwritten gold lettered tome, penned in Jesus' [peace be upon him] native Aramaic language, is said to contain his early teachings and a prediction of the Prophet's [peace be upon him] coming.

Secret Bible: The 1,500-year-old tome was is said to contain Jesus' early teachings and his prediction of the Prophet's coming





Ancient: The leather-bound text, written on animal hide, was discovered by Turkish police during an anti-smuggling operation in 2000


The leather-bound text, written on animal hide, was discovered by Turkish police during an anti-smuggling operation in 2000.

It was closely guarded until 2010, when it was finally handed over to the Ankara Ethnography Museum, and will soon be put back on public display following a minor restoration.

A photocopy of a single page from the handwritten ancient manuscript is thought to be worth £1.5million.

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Turkish culture and tourism minister Ertugrul Gunay said the book could be an authentic version of the Gospel, which was suppressed by the Christian Church for its strong parallels with the Islamic view of Jesus [peace be upon him]

He also said the Vatican had made an official request to see the scripture - a controversial text which Muslims claim is an addition to the original gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John.

In line with Islamic belief, the Gospel treats Jesus [peace be upon him] as a human being and not a God.

Serious interest: The Vatican, under Pope Benedict XVI, is said to want to see the recently re-discovered Bible


Historic: The £14million handwritten gold lettered tome is penned in Jesus' (peace be upon him) native Aramaic language

It rejects the ideas of the Holy Trinity and the Crucifixion and reveals that Jesus [peace be upon him] predicted the coming of the Prophet Muhammad. [peace be upon him]
In one version of the gospel, he is said to have told a priest: 'How shall the Messiah be called? Muhammad is his blessed name'.
WHO WAS ST BARNABAS?


Born in Cyprus as Joseph, Barnabas was an Early Christian later named an apostle.

His story appears in the Acts of the Apostles, and Paul mentions him in some of his epistles.

The date, place, and circumstances of his death are historically unverifiable.
But Christian tradition states that he was martyred at Salamis, Cyprus.

He is traditionally identified as the founder of the Cypriot Church, with his feast day on June 11.


And in another Jesus denied being the Messiah, claiming that he or she would be Ishmaelite, the term used for an Arab.
Despite the interest in the newly re-discovered book, some believe it is a fake and only dates back to the 16th century.
The oldest copies of the book date back to that time, and are written in Spanish and Italian.
Protestant pastor İhsan Özbek said it was unlikely to be authentic.
This is because St Barnabas lived in the first century and was one of the Apostles of Jesus, in contrast to this version which is said to come from the fifth or sixth century.

He told the Today Zaman newspaper: 'The copy in Ankara might have been written by one of the followers of St Barnabas.
'Since there is around 500 years in between St Barnabas and the writing of the Bible copy, Muslims may be disappointed to see that this copy does not include things they would like to see.
'It might have no relation with the content of the Gospel of Barnabas.'
Theology professor Ömer Faruk Harman said a scientific scan of the bible may be the only way to reveal how old it really is.


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GuestFellow
03-21-2013, 07:55 PM
How very...interesting. =) Not sure what more to say other than I don't trust the daily mail.
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Urban Turban
03-21-2013, 07:57 PM
[Peace be upon him] inserted after the names of the 2 Prophets by me.
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Urban Turban
03-21-2013, 07:58 PM
Originally Posted by GuestFellow
How very...interesting. =) Not sure what more to say other than I don't trust the daily mail.
I don't give a care either - the Glorious Quran is enough for me, but for our Christian brothers and sisters here...perhaps inshaAllah it could help.
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GuestFellow
03-21-2013, 08:00 PM
^ Well it may prompt them to do some research.
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IAmZamzam
03-21-2013, 08:27 PM
The only thing that kept this post from being an immediate dismissal of the whole thing was my coming across the sentence, "It might have no relation with the content of the Gospel of Barnabas."

Are they referring to this "secret Bible" when they say, "How shall the Messiah be called? Muhammad is his blessed name"? Because Jesus is the Messiah, remember? However much the very simple meaning of that word may have been mangled over the course of history it still applies. The Qur'an confirms Jesus’s Messianic status more than once.

Whether this text is the real deal or not the public at large will still never believe it. Don't expect more than a few odd conversions. In fact don't be too surprised if all this doesn't exactly become common knowledge at all, or gets quickly forgotten if it does--a flavor of the month in the news media. The majority of biblical scholars are Christians (just ones who are kind of liberal-leaning on theological issues), and scholars of the secular sort are forced by the empirical nature of their profession to rule out all possibility of miracle, including prophecy. No matter what happens the generally accepted explanation will be "hoax hoax hoax", even if this book includes a passage saying, "Oh, by the way, just to prove that this isn't a hoax here are the exact contents of the Gettysburg address in seven different languages that haven't been invented yet." And until Judgment Day anyone who suggests otherwise will be greeted by every Christian with an eyeroll so great you'll think they're having a seizure. "Oh, why do they keep bringing up that long-exploded nonsense?? How can they believe in something so obviously fake??!!" All I'm saying is, don't get excited. If this is real, it hardly matters.
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tearose
03-21-2013, 09:14 PM
I could easily be wrong, but I feel inclined to think that we Muslims should stay away from this kind of thing...look how they are saying 'Muslims may be disappointed to see that this copy does not include things they would like to see.' we shouldn't give them any fuel to say such things. The authenticity or otherwise of this document makes no difference to us.
As for Christians, yes it could make them think in sha Allah. I remember when I was first looking into Islam being very interested in the fact that there were non-canonical gospels I had never heard about and looking at how they corresponded to the Qur'an. However, if this is later classed as inauthentic it could be a setback.wa Allahu a3lam.
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Urban Turban
03-22-2013, 10:05 AM
I concur with you guys, I don't think this discovery is gonna make any impact.
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IAmZamzam
03-30-2013, 09:37 PM
It seems there have been some new developments. The connection to the Gospel of Barnabas, remember, is just someone's pure speculation. But it's getting more interesting.
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Scimitar
03-30-2013, 10:21 PM
1) Barnabas was not a Muslim,
2) The surviving Acts of Barnabas, which narrates an account of Barnabas' travels, martyrdom and burial, and which is generally thought to have been written in Cyprus sometime after 431, proves that he could not have been a Muslim since this was already 2 centuries before Muhammad pbuh got the revelations - further, In 478, during the reign of the Emperor Zeno, archbishop Anthemios of Cyprus announced that the hidden burial place of Barnabas had been revealed to him in a dream. The saint's body was claimed to have been discovered in a cave with a copy of the canonical Gospel of Matthew on its breast; according to the contemporary account of Theodorus Lector, who reports that both bones and gospel book were presented by Anthemios to the emperor.
3) Muslims are split over the whole Gospel of St Barnabas even though it seems to confirm a messenger to come after Jesus Christ pbuh, the reason is, some of the narrative in the GoSB contradicts with islamic teaching
4) I forgot to mention that Barnabas was believed to be a Greek Christian.

there are quite a few texts attributed to Barnabas, for example the Epistles of Baranabas are different to the Gospel of Barnabas, and some Christians wanted the Epistles to be renamed as The Gospels, ofcourse, then there are the later editions which aren't really editions because they differ in content, some as wide apart as 80 chapters or books missing from an account... it goes kinda wild when we look into it.

I was fascinated over Barnabas back in 2002 I think it was, and i read up everything i could get my hands on in relation to him. A very fascinating character, and one whom I am just not sure about. This is why i've never quoted his gospel or epistle in any post, simply because I'm not sure about him.

And yes, there is a possibility that a Muslim wrote the gopsel of barnabas you are referring to, but it is also a possibility that it was a Christian also, simply because we know there were Christians of varying beliefs during those times - let's not forget that some of these Christians were from the Eastern Orthodoxy, and their beliefs would correlate with the Gospel of St Barnabas.

Oh there's also a possibility that Jews wrote it, in order to lend their religion, an upper hand - knowing that Muslims and Christians would squabble over the issue of "messiah" in the gospel of St Barnabas...and i say this because the Jews of that era were known to forge text. heck, they still do, infact, they've got very anti-Christian and anti Muslim beliefs in some books...

...the contradiction I find most blasphemous in the gospel is that Baranabas mentions Jesus Christ pbuh claiming that he was never the messiah... As a Muslim, I know that the Quran mentions Jesus pbuh as The Messiah. So here is one major point of difficulty in believing that a Muslim would have authored the version in question.

yes, there are Muslim scholars that will say that the gospel of barnabas is a suppressed text, the problem I have with tht is they've never mentioned which version

Scimi
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IAmZamzam
03-30-2013, 11:40 PM
^^ I was almost beginning to wonder if I was the only one out there, Scimitar.
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Scimitar
03-31-2013, 12:22 AM
there are 4 texts attributed to Barnabas, but they differ so greatly in content that it's just impossible to authenticate them. Not to mention that his burial site saw him holding onto a gospel which was not his own - why would he do that? this screams of forgery. If he was genuine, he would have taken his own gospel into the grave with him. Not someone elses. This is another factor most choose to ignore when pushing this out there.

This still does not explain what happened to the Gospel of Isa AS. As that is largely just narrations put in the bible - much like hadeth are recorded, except, the hadeeth have a full scientific and logical methodology attached to them in order to understand their authenticity - but when compared to the bible, the authenticity is in question when you have conflicting versions of the supposed text which is meant to contain the gospel of Isa AS.

It is nothing more than a book of hadeeth with no methodology employed in order to verify its authenticity. Sorry if I sound harsh to the Christians here, it's not my intent.

For the record, I still believe that the bible has many good teachings in it.

Scimi
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IAmZamzam
04-08-2013, 08:05 PM
Bingo. Here it is. Right here.
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