Originally Posted by Futuwwa
no, i'm trying to explain to him that his position on his "interpreting the Qur'an" is based on ignorance, and tried to offer some reasons to back my position.
and sarcastically asked him a totally irrelevant question about what "makes him a great moralist
he started to remind me a dude in another thread (a recent one) where the guy kept asking a question and then listed the answers that he didn't want (which, iirc, were correct answers). so no matter what response is given, he got (or acted) offended. so, i figured why not try a different angle? he stated that he finds Islam and the Qur'an deficient morally. i may have been giving him more credit than he deserves, but i figured maybe that is what he really wants to discuss. he addressed on of my views before, so i was really hoping that he would tell me the basis for his train of thought on that.
oh, and what is it in your education, that in your opinion, makes you a great moralist?
if answers, which appear really relevant, are "predisposed" to set him off. why not probe an area that he didn't ask a direct question. rather than go after a particular view, why not tell us where he is coming from? i figured (at the time) that he really wants to debate morality, then let's set the parameters.
OK, now that i think he's about 12, maybe a little harsh. but i presume that someone comes to an Islamic site and insults the Qur'an that he is "itching for a fight" and prepared to debate. so, let's just get into it. if you are a moralist, then there must be a "school" of thought that you adhere to, which ones of the ancient philosophers are your guys. there used to be great debates on these issues. i'm assuming and older viewpoint because a modernists tends to find all religious opinions morally offensive, he didn't.
and it's only the "idolworshipping buffoon" comment that makes me think he's 12, if he ain't, then let's go. i'm ready to discuss moral issues.
but if i missed the mark and he's just some poor emotionally challenged kid who doesn't know how to talk to people. i rather hope not, then i would feel horrible. there should be a section for them. i wouldn't presume to know how to deal with them. where i come from, we debated morals issue all night long, past sunrise. it is our culture. the number 1 no-no is to talk down to someone. if you have a viewpoint, by all means bring it on! i'm ready! let's get right to the meat of the issue.
BUT, if you're 12...probably a good idea to let someone else talk to him. in which case, you'd be more right than me. but you gotta tell me up-front, cuz i hate it when i'm told i'm patronizing someone. (cuz they only way i know how to define it is: treating someone like a kid)
so Ken, if you're some young lad, i DO apologize, and you should try to talk to some of these other brothers. (gah! now all i can picture is Hanz & Franz
saying "OK Ken, you can stay here and play with these girly men") so if you're not, then remember when Bruce Lee would extend his arm, turn his hand upside down and make that little "come on" gesture with his fingers? :alright: