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Sheikh AL-Arab
05-20-2013, 07:27 AM
I would like to know if it is possible for Non-Muslims to memorize the Holy Qur'an, without converting?
Also what if they use the internet to learn the Qur'an and not the actual book?
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Sheikh AL-Arab
05-20-2013, 08:53 PM
Why is there no answer???

You dont have any answer???
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sister herb
05-20-2013, 08:59 PM
Salam alaykum

I don´t see any reason why non-muslim couldn´t memorize the Quran if he tries his best. Also I don´t know what´s difference by this what is the source (book or internet).

I wonder why you ask kind of things.
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M.I.A.
05-20-2013, 09:49 PM
i had a very hard time coming up with an answer. like most questions it could be approached from so many angles that it would take a long time to think about it.

and the fear of writing something not true or to be misconstrued is something that should bother most.

what do you think?

in what context?

why would a person even do that?

imo.

...if a person takes a long time to actually memorise something then it is for a reason.

so the why of it is important.

and if somebody does not wish to convert or is not fully convinced by the quran,

then it would seem like an awful lot of trouble to go to.


so the crux of your question is at "without converting"

because most books can be memorised... i mean i undertook examined education for 26 years.

...although i have never got a 100%

but the quran is very specific (although i cant understand arabic) and it is far from a normal book.


if i look at it from the opposite angle, are all those who memorise the quran converts?

because that would make all imams beyond reproach.


is that the case?

would it be possible for a non-muslim to memorise the quran? ...does god allow such things?

are all muslims actually muslims?

or are the things they say in public and private differing?



imo.

i believe in a god.

i read the book because i wanted.. favor.. scratch that.. i lie, i did it because i found deceit in the things i believed in.

six years later.. a part of me says favor.


the rest of me says not at the expense of others.



i would say that misguidance and guidance is ONLY from allah swt.



i still dont understand how people can become muslim on there death beds and have it accepted?

so its just an imo post.



be very careful of the internet.

and have hope in the mods? ...the mod? :p



hope that it gives you a differing perspective on your question. before it leads you to another one. or not.
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Ahmad H
05-20-2013, 10:01 PM
I'm only going to post this because I don't know much about this.

Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet said, 'The example of a believer who recites the Qur'an is that of a citron (a citrus fruit) which is good in taste and good in smell. And the believer who does not recite the Quran is like a date which has a good taste but no smell. And the example of an impious person who recites the Qur'an is that of Ar-Rihana (an aromatic plant) which smells good but is bitter in taste. And the example of an impious person who does not recite the Quran is that of a colocynth which is bitter in taste and has no smell." (Book#93, Hadith #649)
(Sahih Bukhari)
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M.I.A.
05-20-2013, 10:11 PM
nice reps ya got there.

im kidding but only just.


...great now i cant figure out how to delete my own post.
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Sheikh AL-Arab
05-21-2013, 10:26 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
Salam alaykum

I don´t see any reason why non-muslim couldn´t memorize the Quran if he tries his best. Also I don´t know what´s difference by this what is the source (book or internet).

I wonder why you ask kind of things.
The reason why I mentioned book/internet is because before you physically touch the Qurán, you must do Wudu, and being a non-believer he might not do so.

I asked this because I was curious about what would happen in such a case-scenario.
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Sheikh AL-Arab
05-21-2013, 10:31 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ahmad H
I'm only going to post this because I don't know much about this.

Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet said, 'The example of a believer who recites the Qur'an is that of a citron (a citrus fruit) which is good in taste and good in smell. And the believer who does not recite the Quran is like a date which has a good taste but no smell. And the example of an impious person who recites the Qur'an is that of Ar-Rihana (an aromatic plant) which smells good but is bitter in taste. And the example of an impious person who does not recite the Quran is that of a colocynth which is bitter in taste and has no smell."
(Sahih Bukhari)

ok so the impious person can be equated with the non-convert unbeliver? but then to be impious is when you are a Muslim and you dont believe much in the Qurán or your beliefs are not so strong. Here Im referring to non-convert.

Also this narration does not talk about whethe its forbidden to do so, or not.

anyways thanx for your reply Brother Ahmed.
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Hulk
05-21-2013, 11:17 AM
Allahu alam..

If God wills them to be able to memorise it then they can. But unless they become muslim then it would be of no benefit to themselves.

"The example of those who were entrusted with the Torah and then did not take it on is like that of a donkey who carries volumes [of books]. Wretched is the example of the people who deny the signs of Allah . And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people"
Sura Al-Jumu`ah Verse 5

There are many people who "learn" about Islam, but unless they become muslim it shows that they are not knowledgable about Islam. One doesn't study Islam as a subject but should rather subject oneself to Islam. Allahu alam.
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sister herb
05-21-2013, 11:46 AM
Salam alaykum

I think that is the most important part with memorizing like

format_quote Originally Posted by Hulk
If God wills them to be able to memorise it then they can.
and I don´t know if there is any difference if person who tries to memorize it, is muslim or non-muslim, if he tries to do something without will of Allah...
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Sheikh AL-Arab
05-21-2013, 07:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
Salam alaykum

I think that is the most important part with memorizing like



and I don´t know if there is any difference if person who tries to memorize it, is muslim or non-muslim, if he tries to do something without will of Allah...
ok Thank you sister. so if it he/she (non-believer) is able to memorize the Qurán, that quote proves that it is the will of Allah.
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sister herb
05-21-2013, 07:22 PM
^^ You should thank br hulk, not me, as I just quoted his post... :embarrass
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Hulk
05-21-2013, 07:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
^^ You should thank br hulk, not me, as I just quoted his post...
Nononono. Allah is the source of all knowledge so we should thank Allah. Alhamdulillah :)
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'Abd-al Latif
05-21-2013, 07:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Sheikh AL-Arab
I would like to know if it is possible for Non-Muslims to memorize the Holy Qur'an, without converting?
Also what if they use the internet to learn the Qur'an and not the actual book?
Will you benefit from the answer?
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Amat Allah
05-21-2013, 07:36 PM
I have never ever read nor heard before about forbidding non Muslims from memo Qur'aan ...

format_quote Originally Posted by Sheikh AL-Arab
The reason why I mentioned book/internet is because before you physically touch the Qurán, you must do Wudu, and being a non-believer he might not do so.
You are right about this... it has been narrated from ‘Amr ibn Hazm (may Allah be pleased with him), stating that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) wrote to the people of Yemen: “No one should touch the Qur’aan except one who is taahir (pure).” This is a jayyid hadeeth which has a number of other isnaads which strengthen it.

Then they can do it through some trustworthy websites and by hearing too and Allah knows; Maybe if not even having the idea of being Muslim in mind then Allah knows maybe during the time of memorizing Qur'aan they might be touched by the Qur'aan guidance ...who knows...

at the end guidance is in Allah's hand and Allah has His own ways of mercy and wisdom...laa ilaha illa Allah.
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glo
05-21-2013, 08:05 PM
I imagine anybody should be able to memorise any text, if they invest enough time and effort.

Whether memorising the Qu'ran would lead to conversion (presumably by divine intervention) is a different matter and an interesting thought.
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Amat Allah
05-21-2013, 08:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
Whether memorising the Qu'ran would lead to conversion (presumably by divine intervention) is a different matter and an interesting thought.
God Has His own ways so, He Is The Only One Who knows...guidance is from Him The Exalted and Qur'aan is not anybody's words but the words of The Source of guidance Whom Is God The Lord The Creator The Guider Allah HimSelf...

Allah says:"The month of Ramadhan [is that]in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion......" Surat Al Baqarah [2:185]

Qur'aan is a guidance to whom Allah wants to be guided...some read it or only hear one verse then their hearts get attached to it ; they start searching for Allah's path and later they convert but some their hearts are like the upside down cup; no matter how much or whatever you may pour in it then it won't go in; it won't contain anything cause it is upside down...May Allah guide us all to Him before the end Ameeeeen
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Sheikh AL-Arab
05-21-2013, 08:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif
Will you benefit from the answer?
why do people have to look for personal benifit in everything these days? :exhausted
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'Abd-al Latif
05-21-2013, 10:04 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Sheikh AL-Arab
why do people have to look for personal benifit in everything these days? :exhausted
To ask a question is to seek information for the purpose of dispelling any doubts about the truth or validity of something.

A sensible and intelligent human being asks a question to dispel the degree of frustration one undergoes at the hands of ignorance or 'not knowing'. If your question, and the subsequent particular answer that you pester to hear from the mouth of the intelligent ones, does not entail a meaningful purpose, an enhancement of your vision, an increase in your knowledge and thinking spectrum, then your meaningless question is nothing more than a means for you to fulfil your ego, insult and degrade others and, more than anything, impart a genuinely authentic meanness (and meaninglessness) of your own self.

Or to put it simply, you're a fool to ask questions that are meaningless, not profiting you one way or the other.

I guess wandering aimlessly is more important than actually having a goal to make progress towards.
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Woodrow
05-21-2013, 10:52 PM
:sl:

I was a bit confused by your question "Is it possible for Non-Muslims to memorize the Qur'an"

Since non-Muslims have memorized the Qur'an it is possible. Notably NOIs, Baha'i s, Yezidi and Druze. Quite probably some Sikhs and possibly Christian Religious scholars. Not to count over the centuries traitors that posed as Muslims to wage war against Islam from within.

So perhaps you really meant "Is it permissible for Non-Muslims to memorize the Qur'an"

That can be a debatable question as it would depend on what means they use to memorize it. If they memorize it by listening to recitations, I do not see how that could be forbidden or even stopped.

Just my opinion, Astagfirullah
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truthseeker63
05-22-2013, 12:02 AM
Try it.
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Sheikh AL-Arab
05-22-2013, 09:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif

Or to put it simply, you're a fool to ask questions that are meaningless, not profiting you one way or the other.

I guess wandering aimlessly is more important than actually having a goal to make progress towards.
Im just being curious dude! :ooh:
is their supposed to be gain in curiosity? Are you telling me that you search for gains and "goal towards progress" or whatever 24/7 even when you are sitting and lazing around on your coach?! *smh
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Sheikh AL-Arab
05-22-2013, 09:06 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
:sl:



So perhaps you really meant "Is it permissible for Non-Muslims to memorize the Qur'an"
yes thats right. THanx for the correction!
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Sheikh AL-Arab
05-22-2013, 09:07 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by truthseeker63
Try it.
Im a Muslim.
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M.I.A.
05-22-2013, 10:29 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Sheikh AL-Arab
Im just being curious dude! :ooh:
is their supposed to be gain in curiosity? Are you telling me that you search for gains and "goal towards progress" or whatever 24/7 even when you are sitting and lazing around on your coach?! *smh

i can tell you that its better to work towards and achieve your goals than just being some one who ponders over conjecture and hidden meaning.

if i could turn back time i would have pursued a career before i sacrificed it for pursuit of islam... harsh? or real? i guess i dont know the benefit.

there is a god, he guides the illiterate and literate alike.

and misguides those that stray from his path.


anyway, ya cant live of anything unless allah swt allows it.
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Pygoscelis
08-18-2013, 03:06 PM
What an odd question.

Yes, of course a non-muslim can memorize the words of the Quran, just like they can memorize the words of any book. They can even recite the Quran. They may even be able to fool you into believing they are muslim and somehow benefit from that. In fact, I bet this has happened a number of times in muslim dominated lands.

Perhaps the better question is can they appreciate the meaning?

Or were you thinking that somehow Allah himself will do a miracle and directly interfere with their memory or stop them from being able to read or something like that?
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